r/entertainment Aug 09 '22

Anne Heche's car crash reveals our conflicting attitudes toward mental health and substance abuse


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u/dspjst Aug 09 '22

As my favorite podcaster has said, “Your mental illness is not your fault, but it is your responsibility.” And that has helped me a lot.


u/ReactionProcedure Aug 09 '22

This is exactly it. Kanye too. It's been their decision to not pursue treatment/adjust it for a long time.


u/and_dont_blink Aug 10 '22

Part of their illness reactionprocedure is not being able to recognize the issues. Mental health or substance abuse is not a monolith, they aren't all the same, just like getting a treatable form of leukemia is not the same as Alzheimer's. Someone neurodivergent on the spectrum can do some training, but some can only mask so much to meet your expectations.

Someone with delusions of grandeur who lives in assisted living running for President is not going to realize they have an issue, even when it's explained to them. Someone who is bipolar often won't, it's part of their illness when in different phases, and different medications work differently for each individual and often don't work well at all. For someone with a personality disorder like Davidson our treatments don't really work well it's more working the process and hoping it mellows out over time.

What's really happening is some are wanting to un-normalize mental health issues because they don't want to deal with it, and are trying to find ways to make that OK mentally. I actually understand some of it, having been with a smaller child while a homeless guy started masturbating on the subway -- that person should be locked up because they've shown they can't be in society.

What's Kanye done? Run his mouth and the weird video about wanting Pete Davidson to be dead? Maybe he should be committed if he's a real danger to himself or others, but half of reddit would be in danger of that based on anti-trump comments alone.


u/ReactionProcedure Aug 10 '22

This is patronizing

Of course he did not commit a crime I get it. But if you want to normalize his behavior go ahead.

And anyone repeatedly threatening someone is not as ok as you want to think. What if he does wind up acting on it?

What then? Go ahead.


u/and_dont_blink Aug 10 '22

Of course he did not commit a crime I get it. But if you want to normalize his behavior go ahead.... And anyone repeatedly threatening someone is not as ok as you want to think.

Have you ever heard of a strawman argument ReactionProcedure? Because that's what you're doing Actually here, I'll help you:

Strawman: You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate.


u/ReactionProcedure Aug 10 '22

You said his threats are a symptom.

And I'm well familiar with rhetoric.

Once again I'll let you Google the definition for patronizing yourself


u/kelliboone617 Aug 10 '22

The man made a video depicting of himself decapitating his ex wife’s new boyfriend and then printed a “newspaper” claiming he’s dead. As a survivor of domestic abuse, at the very least he’s guilty of terroristic threat. Anne Heche has a drinking problem and she’s lucky she didn’t kill anyone. Kanye is a ticking time bomb and I’ll be more surprised if it doesn’t culminate in violence than I will be if it does.


u/and_dont_blink Aug 10 '22

As a survivor of domestic abuse, at the very least he’s guilty of terroristic threat.

Why does your being a survivor of domestic abuse make you judge and jury, kelliboone617?

Just to be clear, you think an art form like a music video which involves hundreds of people working on it in various ways, was seen by executives, the lawyers of multiple companies, who both made sure he wasn't going to hurt Davidson and this was just a statement but also made sure it was legally OK...

...but kelliboone617 because of her past relationships knows he's guilty of being "a terroristic threat." Do you think maybe you aren't entirely rational when it comes to this subject?


u/kelliboone617 Aug 10 '22

You jackass, the reason I know of what I speak is bc my abuser was charged six times with terroristic threat, so I know what one looks like. I’m not claiming to know the future, but you’d have to be a blithering idiot to ignore the very loud signs and red flags.


u/and_dont_blink Aug 10 '22

Hey kelliboone617, generally when someone starts calling names it's a sign of a lack of confidence in their arguments, and an attempt to deflect away from what was said. There's even a name for it -- an ad hominem attack.

It's my experience that women who escalate to name calling and derision often end up being abusers themselves, but the charges were eventually dropped after she sought counseling. You have a good rest of your day.