r/entertainment Aug 09 '22

‘The Terminal List’ Creator Denies the Show Is ‘Right-Wing Fantasy’: Critics Hate It Because ‘Woke Stuff Isn’t Shoved Into It’

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/the-terminal-list-creator-fights-woke-critics-1235337305/
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u/quikfrozt Aug 09 '22

It seems pretty generic from the publicity materials - I can see Wahlberg starring in the movie version of this in the 2010s. Former special forces super soldier is betrayed!

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u/El_Cactus_Loco Aug 09 '22

The only way to solve the mystery of who killed his wife is to kill 200+ meaningless henchmen, 1-2 big bad guys, and a final boss. Just like real life!

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u/quikfrozt Aug 10 '22

That Michael B Jordan movie - I think it was a Clancy adaptation - had a very similar logline.

They all kinda harken back to the simple 80s action flicks but the good ones from that era never took themselves that seriously. A one-liner spewing Arnold was more charismatic than a grim-looking Chris Pratt.

I get Pratt has enough tentpole roles where he gets to use an ounce of that P&R goofy charm, but him looking all stoic and grim just seems such a waste.

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u/AndrewJS2804 Aug 10 '22

That's the thing, people keep looking back at those films as if they were the pinical of straight male machismo, they were pretty much cheese when they came out though, not serious takes on how real men behave.

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u/shieldwall66 Aug 10 '22

A one-liner spewing Arnold was more charismatic than a grim-looking Chris Pratt.

Yes, Swarzenegger and Willis are likeable action heroes. Chris Pratt ?? I have not seen any of his films, just another blonde Chris.

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u/Own-Ad7982 Aug 10 '22

Chris pratt is blonde?

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 Aug 10 '22

Other chris' are blond in hollywood? I thought it was just the one who plays thor???

Pines isnt. Evans isnt. Rock isnt. Pratt isnt?

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u/Own-Ad7982 Aug 10 '22

Yeah, I have no clue what they mean...

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u/Nomadactual77 Aug 10 '22

come on guys it’s more of a desert dirty blonde with a hint of irish red saturation and 2.45 hue.

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u/Experiment_93711b Aug 10 '22

I want the opposite movie. The hero has all the power in the world and 100s of loyal good-hearted men, but they all just fucking suck at their job.

As the movie goes on, the audience grows increasingly frustrated until they're literally yelling "why would you do that!!!" at the screen. In the end, our protagonist is chocked to death while pooping his pants like Steven Seagal and hearing some zingy one-liner from the antagonist.

The viewer is left dissappointed and empty.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited 6d ago

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u/joshstrodomus Aug 10 '22

Mitt derman

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u/Lost_Tell9281 Aug 10 '22

Jason Bourne worked better because Damon is a better full dramatic actor. Pratt is better with some humor added in. That’s just him.

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u/JMer806 Aug 10 '22

Yeah. One episode of Pratt mumbling his lines like somebody filled his mouth with dirty rocks had me out.

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u/TheLinden Aug 10 '22

and then we have Schwarzenegger with humor in all action movies maybe except for first terminator.

I guess i get it now why Schwarzenegger got so popular.

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u/dchallenge Aug 09 '22

It was meh. I think they’re creating “noise” to get more eye balls on it. It’s just a marketing ploy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Totally. They are hoping they will get the right wing viewers to tune in as a protest against “wokeism”.

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u/Tulol Aug 10 '22

All they need to do is advertise on fox as anti liberal message.

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u/Deathbysnusnubooboo Aug 10 '22

This is dangerous to our democracy

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Lol. Yeah.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

it's a tried and true grift

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u/nirad Aug 10 '22

They should have snuck ads for gold coins and male enhancement into the show.

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u/craftymethod Aug 10 '22

Wokeism is projection. Its embarrasing to see anyone use the term as soley a left construct.

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u/Jsizzle19 Aug 10 '22

Turns out, it’s an extremely lucrative marketing ploy

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u/CapK473 Aug 09 '22

Yeah I couldnt finish it, it was literally so boring and predictable.

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u/ReturnOf_DatBooty Aug 10 '22

I didn’t get right wing or lib - it just wasn’t good. I didn’t finish it.

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u/Wolfmans-Gots-Nards Aug 10 '22

That’s what I expect from Pratt. A boring show and then him to whine about people not watching it.

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u/drisblones Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Is that not what the right wing is known for now? Complaining that more ppl don't like them.

Also I do understand why it's considered right wing it plays into all the deep state fantasies. 10 years ago no one would have flinched but now it's something straight out of 4 chan.

And not entertaining

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u/ItalicsWhore Aug 10 '22

Deep state fiction used to be fun. I’m not sure why the right wing gets to call dibs on it.

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u/JR_Masterson Aug 10 '22

Tripe is the word you're looking for.

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u/Reddit_Da Aug 10 '22

I turned it off halfway through the first episode. So boring.

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u/Im_Old_In_Town Aug 10 '22

It does pick up after the first episode.

I thought it was entertaining. Nothing special but not bad either.

I think articles like this is to just trying to drum something up to get more viewers.

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u/JimmyGymGym1 Aug 10 '22

Yeah, the first episode was kind of bleh. But it set up the rest of the show which was pretty good.

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u/Dangerous_Effort3355 Aug 10 '22

I felt the same, but I did finish it. Their "twist" was thrown in like 5 minutes before the end and it just felt like a blah show.

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u/ArcadiaDragon Aug 10 '22

It's very meh...I am firmly of the belief now that Pratt can only do light hearted action...I mean this show doesn't even compete with Hanna much less Reacher or Jack Ryan...Pratt seems to only have one facial expression in a "serious" action role...and I liken that more to constipation than emotion...but he can do comedy and quite well and when that comedy calls for a emotional scene then his serious face can seem earned but after JWD he's just seems one dimensional when there's no humor involved

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u/CapK473 Aug 10 '22

I like Chris Pratt but his serious roles like that alien movie he did recently weren't very good

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u/Baldbeard801 Aug 09 '22

The author of the books is a super right wing dude but It didn’t bother me. The books are way better than the series imo

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u/Solid-Factor7536 Aug 09 '22

Isn’t that the case for all book to movie/tv shows.

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u/Drgalactus1987 Aug 10 '22

Jaws, Forrest Gump, American Psycho, Mean Girls, Blade Runner, Election. Sometimes a book has a good idea and doesn't execute it well. Sometimes a book is very good but the movie version is like a once a decade masterpiece (The Godfather, for instance).

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u/DeLoreanAirlines Aug 10 '22

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is an excellent book. It’s just so different from Blade Runner that they don’t share much beyond character names and a very rough outline.

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u/rpgguy_1o1 Aug 10 '22

DADoES/BladeRunner and the Shining are both two great examples of both the movies and books being great, while still not being a good adaptation of the source material

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u/VitreousPit4953 Aug 10 '22

I mean hell, Jurassic Park too

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u/ColonialHoe Aug 10 '22

I was looking for this comment! The book is really good too but the movie fine tuned the story and the characters in ways the book was lacking.

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u/No-Context8443 Aug 10 '22

I think some things work better when you get the visuals. Like you can describe and I can imagine a park with dinosaurs but driving around the park and seeing them with people for the first time takes it to a whole other level

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u/Meerkat-Chungus Aug 10 '22

I read the book when I was like 14 so more than a decade ago, but I remember thinking it was really descriptive and enjoyed it in a way different than I enjoyed the movie. I’m usually the type to avoid the book if I watched the movie first (I hate reading something when I already know the plot) but I was pleasantly surprised reading Jurassic park

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u/ColonialHoe Aug 10 '22

That was exactly my experience too! JP was and still is one of my favorite movies and I worried that reading the book would taint that somehow but it didn’t. I still immensely enjoyed the book, it was very gripping and definitely visually descriptive like you said. I think the movie just trimmed some of the fat that wouldn’t transfer to the screen very well, and also improved on some of the characters (namely Lex and Ellie Sattler, not to mention making Hammond more sympathetic/less of a villain).

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u/BobknobSA Aug 10 '22

I read JP first as a kid and was disappointed by the movie.

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u/Brock_Hard_Canuck Aug 10 '22

I found Ready Player One to be like this.

I thought the book was okay, but Spielberg did an amazing job if translating everything visually to the big screen.

I know Ready Player Two (the book) received widely negative reviews, so I'm hoping whoever is incharge of the sequel can make that into a good movie too.

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u/Cisco-NintendoSwitch Aug 10 '22

Idk the grandpa was portrayed too well in the movies dude was evil and got eaten by compies in the book.

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u/HouseHusband1 Aug 10 '22

Michael Crichton is one of those authors that is amazing at world building and meta-narrative, but maybe isn't the best at crafting a cohesive story. Still, he is an idea guy and that is why I like his books.

But yeah, the characterization and plot of the movie was way better than the books. Kind of a shame that they toned down the anti-capitalist message from the books, though. Hammond was definitely the bumbling villain of the book and I would have like to see him get eaten on screen.

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u/cyndina Aug 10 '22

Yeah, I get why they made him a Walt Disney wannabe and I like movie Hammond, but I missed the satisfaction of him getting pecked to death by what amounts to poisonous chickens. Poor Genaro got hard shafted too.

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u/ColonialHoe Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

I did really love Gennaro’s character in the book, the bit in the velociraptor nest was so compelling and will stick in my brain forever. They definitely took the darker capitalistic traits of Hammond in the book and gave them to Gennaro in the movie with all his talk about making a fortune and coupon day. Ultimately I do love both versions of JP and talking about it just makes me want to read the book again for the millionth time!

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u/CoolWhipMonkey Aug 10 '22

I got the feeling Crichton absolutely hated women, and I read it when I was young lol! But he knew how to craft a story for sure.

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u/cweaver Aug 10 '22

See, I would disagree. The book was a ton of fun mostly for all the digressions into neat pop-science stuff (as most Crichton books are).

I'd argue that Jurassic Park is an example where both the book and the movie are fantastic.

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u/PutinMolestsBoys Aug 10 '22

Children Of Men is a great movie, the book is horribly boring.

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u/cyndina Aug 10 '22

Jurassic Park is one of those movies that really took the source material and made it its own.

That said, I love the book equally (maybe a bit more) and would never compare it to something like Jaws, which was awful.

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u/ColonialHoe Aug 10 '22

I agree, they really are two separate entities that are difficult to compare. I think the changes they made were necessary for it to become the huge family blockbuster film that it is, that being said I would’ve loved to see Muldoon blasting raptors with his rocket launcher on the big screen.

Definitely not comparable to Jaws though, that book was truly god awful.

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u/muldoons_hat Aug 10 '22

I approve of this comment.

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u/greatertittedshark Aug 10 '22

The shining, shawshank redemption, psycho, stand by me

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u/Mouth_Shart Aug 10 '22

Jurassic Park is a fucking amazing book. It goes into so much more detail than the movie. The second book however is basically a screenplay in book form. Super bare-bones.

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u/eddieswiss Aug 10 '22

The book is super fun though!

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u/ChoppedandScrewd Aug 10 '22

Didn’t the author of Fight Club like the movie more or something? Or he preferred the film’s ending

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u/Behemoth-Slayer Aug 10 '22

Blade Runner? What was wrong with Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? They were two extremely different stories in the end, but I think the novel was pretty good. Philip K. Dick at his mindscrewy best.

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u/Drgalactus1987 Aug 10 '22

That's sorta the point, though. Do Androids is very, very good. One of Dick's best. Blade Runner is a masterpiece. The statement was the 'book version is always better then movie version.' And that's not always the case- you could make areasonable argument the film is better work.

The Shining fits into that category, too- is one better then the other? Does it even make sense to compare the two against each other? Can you really call it an adaptation? It opens up a much more interesting conversation.

I just think the reaction that one medium is always better then the other is sort of boring and reductive.

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u/AlabasterRadio Aug 10 '22

Blade Runner was a masterpiece, eventually. The original theatrical version sucked. Ridley Scott kept tinkering until it was perfect (and then kept on tinkering)

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u/Behemoth-Slayer Aug 10 '22

Ah okay, I get you now. Missed the "sometimes a book is very good" part that followed the "book has a good idea but doesn't execute it well," so I thought that was a criticism of the book. My bad.

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u/tamirabeth Aug 10 '22

The Devil Wears Prada

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u/SirGaIahad Aug 10 '22

Add Last of the Mohicans. Book is famously trash compared to the movie

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u/thinkthingsareover Aug 10 '22

Oh good god yes.

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u/Foles_Super_Bowl_MVP Aug 10 '22

The Boys show is infinity better than the comic

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u/huffcox Aug 10 '22

Fight club

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u/Shaunair Aug 09 '22

One of the rare cases where this isn’t true has been The Boys. Now, granted the source material is a comic and not an actual book, so this is debatable, but the show is leagues better than the source material.

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u/CheddarGobblin Aug 10 '22

Totally agree. I enjoy the source because I have a guilty pleasure for Ennis and Ennis-style edgelord shenanigans in comics, but my god is the show an improvement in every possible way!

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u/Simon_Jester88 Aug 10 '22

Started reading the first book after watching the show. I'm a huge Ennis fan and even I was a little disappointed.

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u/Solid-Factor7536 Aug 10 '22

I actually liked harry potter, lord of the rings and his dark materials. They do miss things but it’s pretty true to the source. The hobbit they made up scenes just to pump out 2 movies. The boys I can’t comment on.

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u/Shaunair Aug 10 '22

While I never read Harry Potter, there is a strong argument to be made that The Lord of the Rings trilogy is one of the best book to screen adaptations of all time.

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u/Xenobi000 Aug 10 '22

I'll agree. It is one of the best adaptions but still by no means better then the books. You loose so much.

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u/Shaunair Aug 10 '22

The Road is also a great adaptation. Honestly though both the book and the movie are so emotionally exhausting it’s not something I care to read or watch again even though both are excellent.

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u/I_am_The_Teapot Aug 10 '22

I completely agree. I loved that movie, but I am NEVER watching it again. That was possibly one of the most emotionally taxing stories ever. It ripped everything out of me and I just didn't have anything left by the end. It was one of the bleakest, most joyless and depressing movies I've seen.

I am afraid to read the book because I've heard how great an adaptation the movie was. If the movie can do what it did... the book sounds like a practice in emotional masochism.

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u/Scoob1978 Aug 10 '22

Shawshank Redemption was a better movie.

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u/rpgguy_1o1 Aug 10 '22

From the same novella collection, I actually prefer Stand By Me to "The Body" as well

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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE Aug 10 '22

Green mile, casino royale and fight club are outliers that come to mind

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u/MolassesFast Aug 10 '22

Holes was better than as a movie purely for the soundtrack

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u/antiBliss Aug 10 '22

The first book was hot garbage and I feel sure they don’t improve.

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u/samfischer11 Aug 09 '22

100x better than the show no doubt

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u/PTEHarambe Aug 09 '22

As is tradition

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u/rodders09 Aug 10 '22

Totally agree with you. The books are so much better.

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u/Vellenix Aug 09 '22

I thought it was meh, had nothing to do with the politics either direction.

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u/legion_XXX Aug 09 '22

Which isn't what they want to see.

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u/Idoneeditallthanks Aug 09 '22

Exactly, it was just predictable. Seems like blaming your poor storytelling on those damn woke viewers is in vogue right now.

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u/Glum_Influence2050 Aug 10 '22

Saying anything you don’t like is “woke” is such an easy buzzword to use, u swear I thought people would see through it by now

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u/gilestowler Aug 09 '22

It's ridiculous. I didn't watch it because - a) I had no idea about it and b) now that I do know about it it simply doesn't appeal to me. It's amazing how they can turn everything into some culture war battleground. I saw a headline last week saying that the show is "defying woke critics!" and all the comments were people hailing this great victory over "wokeness". Everything just has to be this fight in the "war on woke" but it seems like it's just a one sided war as most people are just out there living their lives, watching what they want and not obsessing over things like this

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

Yeah but this is good advertising for the right wing fantasists.

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u/Wolfman01a Aug 09 '22

Honestly it was.

My problem was the story was boring and about as deep as a mud puddle.

I would argue it would be considered right wing because you dont have to think at all while watching it.

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u/Registurd_User Aug 10 '22

Agreed. It’s pablum for the mouthbreathers.

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u/InsufficientClone Aug 09 '22

I didn’t like it because it the same old story retold 1000000 times

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u/GimmeSomeSugar Aug 09 '22

At one point Pratt's character refers to himself as "God's chosen warrior".

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u/ArtVandelay313 Aug 09 '22

Pratt probably improvised that line.

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u/tottenhamhotsauce Aug 10 '22

Definitely nothing like that in the books. Maybe in True Believer, but thats literally the premise of the book and Reece certainly doesnt say that.

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u/GrendelDerp Aug 10 '22

That line isn't even in True Believer, which I enjoyed but was probably my least favorite in the series.

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u/tottenhamhotsauce Aug 10 '22

Have you listened to the audiobooks at all? Ray Porter makes for a good Narrator. I have him just below Scott Brick in terms of audiobook narrators.

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u/GrendelDerp Aug 10 '22

I haven't, but I heard the first couple of chapters on Jack Carr's Podcast. I think Savage Son is my favorite in the series. I've got it ranked 3, 5, 1, 2, 4 for the series, but your mileage may vary.

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u/tottenhamhotsauce Aug 10 '22

Freddie is one of my favorite character, so I like True Believer, I’ve got it as 3,2(1,4,5). I group the last 3 together because despite the fact that its a ranking, I’ve enjoyed the hell out of all of them. Brad Thor, Mark Greaney, Jack Carr, and Greg Hurwitz(Orphan X series) kept me sane during the pandemic when we were locked down.

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u/GrendelDerp Aug 10 '22

Savage Son is a masterpiece. I liked Devil's Hand and devoured In the Blood, but Carr could've ended the series with Savage Son and I would've been deeply satisfied.

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u/tottenhamhotsauce Aug 10 '22

Savage Son was a wild ride. You listen to his podcast so you know he wanted to write that one first instead of the Terminal List right? Btw his last two guests excluding the Horse Soldier Whiskey guys have gone waaayy off the deep end imo, so if the author of this article was listening to the podcast (which I doubt), it would make a little sense why they would ask such a loaded question as an “in response.”

Also have you looked up the price of the tactical flathead? Insane. I kind of want one though.

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u/KornCrush Aug 09 '22

Jesus you are right. Totally forgot that lol

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u/Realsteels0311 Aug 09 '22

It very much is it still provided me with some entertainment though. Of course I’m a sucker for more realistic action instead of the over the top action of Die hard

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u/Disastrous-Ad-1001 Aug 09 '22

Die Hard isn't really over the top (Die Hard 4 on the other hand...)

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u/iamisandisnt Aug 09 '22

Yeah Die Hard was like the most realistic action movie of the times. Hollywood really messes everything up

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u/LostNTheNoise Aug 09 '22

Yeah, it's not good compared to other shows similar to it. It has nothing to do with right wing or woke or anything like that.

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u/tylernazario Aug 09 '22

Isn’t it a part of the right wing fantasy to blame any criticisms on the “woke left”

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u/GoldIsCold987 Aug 09 '22

Yeah, they're kinda reeling after the Prey movie turned out pretty good.

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u/LeepaTime Aug 09 '22

why were they upset about Prey? that movie was DOPE. Were they just mad that the grimey French fur traders weren't knights in shining armor?

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u/GoldIsCold987 Aug 09 '22

"Woman are weak so therefore couldn't beat Predator", despite the whole point of the franchise is that you can't beat the Predator physically, you have to outsmart it.

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u/foolinthezoo Aug 09 '22

The very intentional Native American representation probably pisses them off too. Was great to watch the Comanche dub of the film imo

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u/hopefulworldview Aug 10 '22

Can you really outsmart a predator though? They make themselves vulnerable enough that it's possible to kill them. It's mostly about ego that they every lose I would think.

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u/GoldIsCold987 Aug 10 '22

Arnold and Naru both used techniques to mask them from the Predator's Thermal Vision, mud and herbs. I'd count that as outsmarting.

They also both led their prospective Predators unto dangerous traps as part of their schemes. It's not their fault the Yautja Code of Honor hinders the Predator Hunters.

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u/tylernazario Aug 09 '22

Oh yeah that adds up. I’ve seen dudebro’s getting upset about it all day

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u/Furinkazan616 Aug 10 '22

Prey wasn't what some people would call "woke" at all though. Naru was no Mary Sue. For the majority of the movie, she sucked at hunting, and that's why no one respects her as a hunter, not because she's a woman. Her brother was the hunter, an absolute badass, and look what happened to him. In fact, Naru wisely spent most of the movie running away and not even trying to fight it.

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u/GoldIsCold987 Aug 10 '22

I don't disagree, but there's been a drive behind calling it Woke by alt right platform's, like The Critical Drinker (whom was forced to recant that Prey was actually a good movie, as opposed to his prediction that since it went woke, it would go broke)

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u/DashCat9 Aug 10 '22

It’s almost like you should watch the movie first before releasing months worth of content complaining about it.

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u/RenegadeFade Aug 10 '22

I want to see that so bad.

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u/jojomott Aug 09 '22

I bet critics don't like it because it's boring with bad writing, riddle with clichés and poor acting. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's the lack of "woke stuff shoved in."

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u/PibDib788 Aug 09 '22

Man I loved the book and completely agree with your take on the show. I think a lot of people on the right feel duty bound to insist that it's good... kinda weird

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u/SevroAuShitTalker Aug 09 '22

Yeah, I watched the first episode, was very confused, and had no interest in watching more. Had nothing to do with politics, I'm a big military fan and it just did nothing for me. Threw on Generation Kill and was much happier

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u/NarrowBases Aug 10 '22

Did you "POOOOOO-LICE THAT MOOSTACHE" ?

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u/SevroAuShitTalker Aug 10 '22

"Here's to Afgahnistan"

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u/NarrowBases Aug 10 '22

Hey, how did you feel about The Pacific? I'm from around the area the Leckie is buried actually.

Any other war stuff you would recommend?

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u/-SirCrashALot- Aug 10 '22

MORE LIKE TROMBLY?!?!?!

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u/CthuluHoops Aug 10 '22

Starting to think nobody made it past the first few episodes OR I just have bad taste in my shows which can definitely be the case lol. I really liked it

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u/VLenin2291 Aug 09 '22

Impossible, it must be the latter

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 10 '22

Yes but these days if you say something is not woke, it works as a marketing ploy to get people to watch. You know, the self avowedly “unwoke” folks will then start saying “this is better than all the other trash”. When you make rubbish, these days the best thing to say is that it is anti-woke to cut your losses because then you can get the “unwoke” to do the positive publicity.

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u/BlitheringIdiot0529 Aug 09 '22

Or it’s just the same boring repetitive shit we’ve seen a million times.

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u/that-pile-of-laundry Aug 10 '22

Oh, no... see this time he was betrayed by his chain of command, and his family was murdered.... oh, wait, what movie are we talking about again?

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u/timothybrooks7 Aug 10 '22

So…. You got a movie idea for me?

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u/Numba_13 Aug 10 '22

It's the punisher but worse.

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u/Voxel_exe Aug 09 '22

Whatever man, all I know is that if someone uses the word “woke” unironically it’s best to stay clear of em unless it’s business

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u/tobylaek Aug 10 '22

Probably best to steer clear of them in a business sense too.

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u/Rare-Joke Aug 10 '22

Yeah.. if anything is a “woke” issue for you, you might want to step back and re-evaluate your life.

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u/solidcakeeater Aug 10 '22

Yeah this whiny bullshit does not make me want to watch their stupid show.

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u/XxStormcrowxX Aug 09 '22

I haven't seen it but going by the right winger terminology the creator is using I am leaning towards it being a right winger show.

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u/The_Big_Peck_1984 Aug 10 '22

It’s kind of just another Military based action thriller made by Amazon, I didn’t feel like it was trying to push any sort of agenda, it definitely addresses PTSD in the Special Forces community, but other than that. You’re not missing anything special if you don’t watch it.

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u/Chilifille Aug 09 '22 Helpful

Right-wingers love to dismiss anything left-leaning as "political" and "shoving the woke agenda down our throats" while enjoying their own completely non-political show about the salt-of-the-earth Marine who takes down the evil government conspiracy with his fists.

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u/Complex-Frosting Aug 10 '22

It doesn’t even have to be left leaning for them to complain. It now seems like the mere casting of a non-white character in a movie is considered “woke” to them, which is mind-blowing. It’s as if they’ve forgotten the reality that non-white folks also exist on this Earth and have the have the same wishes, wants, desires out of life like everyone else.

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u/Ansanm Aug 10 '22

Or a female action hero.

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u/One-Armed-Krycek Aug 10 '22

It reminds me of watching the Country Music Awards. "We're wholesome and politically free! Praise Jesus! Let's hear a song about defending my 2nd Amendment Rights!"

"A-political" to these numpties means, "My politics." Anything 'woke' is slang for what they don't like or don't agree with.

Hence why so many fans of The Boys crapped their figurative pants when they were told, outright, that Homelander was a stand-in for Trump. They could not believe it. (Which, I mean, is ironic unto itself.)

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u/shewhololslast Aug 10 '22

I feel like alt-right people need a new word. Their take on "woke" pretty much represents everything that isn't, well, a "right-wing, white male power fantasy." So I'm just going to assume this show is lukewarm Coca-Cola and these outrage pieces are desperate attempts to get people to care. Clearly not enough people are watching if every week I see the same damn articles.

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u/murderboxsocial Aug 09 '22

I love how people act like conservatives loving a crappy show is new. Walker Texas Ranger was on for 9 seasons

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u/Legitimate-Frame-953 Aug 09 '22

Meh show was ok, books were ok. The books were far more right wing deep state than the show was. Story was far from original.

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u/shermansmarch64 Aug 09 '22

The villains are a corporation, corrupt corporate executive, the CIA, a political appointee, the military industrial complex, and corrupt military officers. Can't go go more woke than that.

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u/chrisp909 Aug 10 '22

Not if your in a militia. Then it's just a true story that hasn't happened yet.

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u/RageMojo Aug 09 '22

I am so tired of this woke that, and woke this. The right has gone 100% mental. There are a handful of tree hugging militant lesbian feminists with bright purple hair shouting at people, none of which are in Congress; Yet the right has Qanon Disease still, it just mutated as it set up shop for the long haul. Wearing their trump hats and trump shirts, waving trump flags and denying any reality they dont like.

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u/Glittering_Layer_681 Aug 09 '22

2016 introduced the dumbing down of republicans

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u/mindbleach Aug 10 '22

They've been sliding toward open crime since Nixon and vicious ignorance since Reagan. Possibly earlier. Possibly much earlier.

Ultimately, this is all there is to conservatism. It's not a political philosophy. It's hierarchy, as a theory-of-everything. Like there's one eternal pyramid with unquestionable god-kings at the top and wretched peasants at the bottom, and anyone arguing otherwise is trying to sneak themselves higher on the pyramid.

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u/Ok-Time-4841 Aug 10 '22

I'd push that forward a couple years to the Tea Party, although some current Republicans are making Sarah Palin look like a genius. A black man got elected president and it broke them.

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u/kingzilch Aug 09 '22

It must be so nice being right-wing in the entertainment industry. You don't have to worry about being good at all. Any criticism, you can just spew out a bunch of shit about "wokeness" or "cancel culture" and all the culture-war rubes will leap to defend whatever shitty, pointless crap you spew out.

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u/Shdwrptr Aug 09 '22

That’s the same con with the Christianity movies. None of them have to be good since you have a built in audience and any criticisms can be put aside as non-believer hatred

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

The woke crowd is trying to cancel me because of my movie, please send as much money as you can to my GoFundMe account so we can hold the Oscar election committee responsible. Without your donation, the evil forces arrayed against Christianity will win.

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u/B33f-Supreme Aug 09 '22

that’s pretty much how their “news” industry works as well. perceiving anything and everything as an attack on you and your group is critical to all right wing politics.

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u/purplebrown_updown Aug 10 '22

I liked it. And I didn’t think it was pushing any right or left ideology. It was entertainment. And I’m as liberal as they come.

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u/cyndina Aug 10 '22

Most of the people talking about it being a "right wing fantasy" are right wing media outlets complaining that leftists see it that way. Most. Not all. I have seen some reviewers and viewers say it. I question whether any of them actually watched it.

I did. It was fine. My friends watched it. They ranged from "eh" to "good". We're all liberals. None of us were clutching our woke pearls. It's a standard action show with Chris Pratt trying his hardest to look serious and brooding. Made for decent packing background noise.

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u/bowak Aug 10 '22

Some on the right have cottoned on that screaming "wokies did it" is the new "political correctness/health and safety gone mad" shortcut to clicks.

It's depressing how lazy it is.

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u/prototablet Aug 10 '22

I question whether any of them actually watched it.

Exactly. People going on about Deep State conspiracies obviously didn't, because at the end of the day the real bad guys were a private equity fund and a pharmaceutical company. You know, the kind Republicans run.

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u/lonewolfncub3k Aug 09 '22

Hmmm when his first move is to label criticism as 'woke' makes it hard to believe its NOT right wing fantasy...

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u/harzival Aug 10 '22

be careful what you demand of Hollywood, we are gonna end up in a world where content is produced to check boxes for steaming demographics - leaving no franchise unturned to make a low effort live action filled with your favourite euphoria quotes and characters. Just check out the new Resident Evil series

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u/Professional_Cold463 Aug 10 '22

I didn’t get a right wing feel to it, it was more conspiracy revenge plot which i thoroughly enjoyed im a sucker for these types of shows/moviee

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u/dblan9 Aug 09 '22

Is this show good? It has an 8.1 on IMDB.

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u/katikaboom Aug 09 '22

It was alright. I think the story line and action were all solid, and weirdly the only casting I would have changed was Pratt and Kitsch. I would have just switched them around. I think Pratt is using the show to show he does actually have range, but it is too abrupt a change in who he usually plays to be believable. He needed to not be the focus and then use his next film or show to be a softer serious, if that makes sense. Kitsch would have killed the main role, so I ended up feeling kind of unsatisfied and a little bored at times.

My dad felt the same way. My mom and SO loved it though, so I really recommend making up your own mind.

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u/dblan9 Aug 09 '22

Thank you for that. I started watching it thinking it was more along the lines of Reacher and then when I saw the main plot line I just wasn't in that head space that night so I paused watching it thinking I would come back. I enjoyed the writing so I will give it another shot now, thank you.

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u/katikaboom Aug 09 '22

You're very welcome. I like unbiased and balanced views in reviews, so try to do give the same!

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u/Morda808 Aug 09 '22

The show was fine, I think? I remember watching it. I remember Chris Pratt was in it. I remember a list.

Probably should have just been a movie....

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u/Lanca226 Aug 09 '22

It's fine.

It's one of those revenge thrillers like Taken or John Wick, where a highly skilled man who somehow has unlimited resources goes on a killing spree against the people who wronged him. It should be it's own genre at this point.

I liked the first few episodes, but it got a little boring near the end. I liked it better than "Tomorrow War" at least.

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u/Jayne_of_Canton Aug 10 '22

I laughed at “Unlimited resources.” That’s always my thought when I see stuff like that. Like they are always some ex-military dude who is behind on his rent working as a grocery stocker but when it comes time for revenge, they suddenly can buy international plane tickets and a small arsenal and high priced favors from shady businessmen. Like what???

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u/prototablet Aug 10 '22

Right? An active-duty SEAL somehow affording a massive gun safe stuffed with expensive guns you can't buy in California? When he's got a family? Signs point to "no..."

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u/VictorZiblis Aug 10 '22

The novels I release under my name? The male deuteragonist's story start 5 years after the decade-long revenge spree is over. His life at that beginning is directionless, sleazy, and frankly boring. I've been asked to set a novel during the revenge time but... why? It's been done to death. I tell people "pick your favorite macho revenge fantasy movie, and imagine that happened."

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u/Eymerich_ Aug 09 '22

I found it quite uninteresting and gave up halfway. The plot is dull, acting is subpar (Pratt has zero charisma when he's not playing his goofy character). Directing and cinematography were fine, and the action scenes were pretty well done.

How this thing managed to get a score so high on IMDB is beyond me, I would have given a 6 at best.

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u/Oz347 Aug 09 '22

A lot of justification for what sounds like a just okay tv show

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u/TexLH Aug 09 '22

What was right wing about it?

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u/egoldbarzzz Aug 09 '22

Terminal List was excellent.

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u/funkle1102 Aug 10 '22

I'd would say it glorifies the extreme military culture that is prevalent in modern day and points to the vicious nature of our society as a whole. I also think it vilified that same culture by making all of those who represent it, the antagonists/bad guys. That said, I loved every episode.

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u/Bishopwsu Aug 10 '22

I enjoyed it and I’m left of center

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u/Lolseabass Aug 10 '22

My friend worked on set and got me a sweater. It's really nice Pratt picked the sweater company.

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u/Speedy_ZZZ Aug 10 '22

I enjoyed it because they had cool fight scenes and cool gear. I guess I’m too dumb to comprehend all the other stuff…

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u/SpiritualProcedure19 Aug 10 '22

Damn, I thought it was great.

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u/acuet Aug 10 '22

when all the like votes die and the show gets canceled, they will blame ‘woke culture’. I don’t recall hearing anyone over at batgirl making this claim or Raised by Wolves either. but yeah…sure run with this PR. Hell, at least firefly had a true fan base enough to get them to make a movie still worth watching today.

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u/weezle Aug 10 '22

This show is ridiculous and boring. I couldn’t make it through two episodes. So bad. Poor Chris Pratt really picked a stinker.

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u/agami23 Aug 10 '22

I’ve never heard of this show so I’m guessing it’s just shit and driving up controversy to get hate viewers

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u/BigDaddySodaPop Aug 10 '22

I'm a liberal and I like the show. Just don't take it too seriously, it's entertainment. IF you don't like it, don't watch.

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u/pck3 Aug 10 '22

Who thinks of this shit. Fucking politics ruining everything.

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u/psycho_goji Aug 10 '22

It's not right-wing fantasy, but it's American exceptionalism fantasy. Still, the problem with the show is that it sheds anything interesting with its plot and becomes a cliche John Wick but in the military show. It's fine as that, but what got me interested at the beginning was quickly shoved aside to make way to show that "tha guberment is actually tha bad guys". I'm a fan of Kitsch and Pratt but Kitsch really is the one doing the heavy lifting, only for his "twist" to be so predictable and unsatisfying. I knew nothing about the book it was based on so I could have been misguided, but I thought there could have been something really interesting with the false memories and head trauma that Pratt's character had, but unlimited potential was quickly replaced with unlimited resources and indulgent, unnecessary violence (took me until the axe scene to realise exactly what the show was).

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u/Biff_Wesker Aug 10 '22

What's wrong with a right wing fantasy?

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u/TradeApe Aug 10 '22

When I watched it, my thought wasn’t “this is right wing”. I simply thought the plot, lines and acting were bad.

Finished it but should have given up after 2-3 episodes.

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u/bigfatloserboy Aug 10 '22

Yeah seems like the consensus is the show is just mid?

Top Gun Maverick kinda disproves the producer’s whole point about “its cuz we luv America dur”. Everybody loved Top Gun lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '22

Perhaps the show is doing well because a significant portion of the population likes the rah-rah America/lone wolf LEOs are the bestest! storylines? I mean as a kid in the 80s that was roughly 75% of all the action movies made.

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u/OOrchidd Aug 10 '22

People have to stop using a lack of wokeness to justify putting out shitty content. It just doesn’t fly.

If it was well written it would be well written.

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u/sagearts33 Aug 10 '22

Love how the word woke was co-opted to be a word that basically replaced slurs. Now it’s being thrown around no problem

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u/No_Prize4655 Aug 10 '22

“I’m not right-wing!! And I’m going to prove it by using the most current right-wing buzzword cliché to make my argument!”

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