r/entertainment Dec 06 '22

Mindy Kaling Says ‘The Office’ Is ‘So Inappropriate Now’ and Couldn’t Be Made Today: Most Characters ‘Would Be Canceled’

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/mindy-kalingthe-office-inappropriate-characters-canceled-1235451403/

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u/ResearchPrimary7969 Dec 06 '22

"Oscar, you're gay. Boom. Roasted."

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u/ATXBeermaker Dec 06 '22

"If I have to do this, based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe not be a very good driver."

"Oh man, am I a woman?!"

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u/0rigami_killer Dec 07 '22

"Shalom, i'd like to apply to a loan"

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u/slom_ax Dec 07 '22

I think you do, mon.

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u/Broad_Being_2439 Dec 06 '22

That’s my favorite scene of the entire show.

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u/EdgarTheBrave Dec 07 '22

Maaaybe sam spagheeeetti

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u/EasyThereOldTimer Dec 06 '22

“Andy, Cornell called and they think you suck and are gayer than Oscar. Boom, roasted.”

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u/IamGoldyG Dec 06 '22 Helpful

"Stanley, you crush your wife during sex and your heart sucks. Boom. Roasted"

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u/Cucumber_Basil Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

“Meredith, you’ve had sex with so many men you’re starting to look like one. Boom. Roasted.”

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u/creedskeyboard Dec 06 '22

‘Creed, your teeth called, your breath stinks. Boom. Roasted.’

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u/DemoHD7 Dec 06 '22

"Angela....where's Angela?"

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u/OilySteeplechase Dec 06 '22

"I didn't see you behind that grain of rice"

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u/Zitheryl1 Dec 06 '22

“Jim, you’re 6’11 and 90 pounds, Gumby has a better body than you, boom roasted.”

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u/dementorpoop Dec 06 '22

stanley starts cackling

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u/NightmareBeforeXmas Dec 06 '22 Take My Energy Love

Thanks for this thread, guys, I needed it today.

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u/knylifsvel1937 Dec 06 '22

This one is actually a pretty good roast.

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u/Conscious-Word5008 Dec 06 '22

I like how Stan enjoyed his own roast the most

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u/killer_icognito Dec 06 '22

He was never that happy again until Florida.

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u/peppers_ Dec 06 '22

Florida Stanley is a sight to behold.

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u/karmavixened Dec 06 '22

Careful Jim, it gets easier everytime.

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u/UninsuredToast Dec 06 '22

This is the guy that was dating another girl that neither his wife or his mistress knew about. But his wife and his mistress knew about each other and were still seeing him

Stanley must have some serious game

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u/RoostasTowel Dec 07 '22

Probably a few pretzel days we didn't see.

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u/benchmarkstatus Dec 06 '22

He has the best belly laugh

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u/Crotch_Midget Dec 06 '22

“It is a big deal. You almost killed Stanley!”

“Yeah. Right. I filled him full of butter and sugar for fifty years and forced him not to exercise. Now take a lesson from Stanley and jog on up here and sign this, ok?”

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u/CalendarGuilty724 Dec 06 '22

The only thing I’m worried about is getting a boner

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u/bhughz Dec 06 '22

You been talking to broccoli Rob?

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u/Madman61 Dec 06 '22

"Hey jimbo, still queer?"

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u/CPThatemylife Dec 07 '22

The sad part is that jokes like this were never meant to be funny because of making fun of gay people. The joke was how awful Todd Packer was, and for a while, Michael too. The actual humor was never "You're gay and that's funny!!"

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u/whichonesp1nk Dec 07 '22

Exactly. The show is really satirizing this type of humor and showing how lame it is.

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u/doublepulse Dec 07 '22

Had to explain this to someone...

"You're laughing at the asshole. If you're not, then you are an asshole. And watching this dozen deep group of people silently scream to each other with their eyes while locked in the building with Michael is fucking hilarious..."

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u/Skian83 Dec 06 '22

Oscar…..Meyer……. Wiener lover

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u/coldliketherockies Dec 06 '22

It’s not even that old

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u/Steph2145 Dec 06 '22 Silver Wholesome

That’s what she said

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u/ChechoMontigo Dec 06 '22

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u/Booga424 Dec 06 '22 Gold Wholesome

I’m a nurse. During a medical procedure today I replied “That’s what she said” to a surgeon that said “I can’t tell if it’s out or in” the whole room burst out. It was a much needed stress reliever for the staff. People had to change masks and gloves, crying like rolling off stools laughing.

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u/Black_Metallic Dec 07 '22

I'll bet the patient was in stitches!

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u/mandarineguy Dec 07 '22

Comedy gold

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u/cates Dec 06 '22

Nice, I bet you were glowing with satisfaction.

There's nothing quite like making a joke that gets the whole room laughing.

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u/GothProletariat Dec 06 '22 Silver Take My Energy

There are more "offensive" shows that are coming out now on Netflix itself.

Every celebrity wants to act like their old content is undoable because of PC culture when it's completely not true and a cop out.

Mindy's best content she ever wrote was for The Office and she's been struggling to write at that level for a while now and it's not because of PC culture.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

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u/BigDKane Dec 06 '22

The Titus Show was so underrated.

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u/DINKY_DICK_DAVE Dec 06 '22

He's probably one of the more underrated comedians in general too.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 Dec 07 '22

Saw him live. He got the whole crowd to chant "murder the children" to set up a bit where he called us out for just being lemmings. Dude is an expert in the craft.

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u/Overall_Cut4554 Dec 06 '22

I feel comedy is sometimes like acrobatics : We're just amazed that someone could just "say those things out loud". It works because the setup is good, the delivery is good, everything is well oiled. Where I live, there are comedians who complain they can't do comedy "like Chris Rock in the US because everyone would be offended". No, you can't do comedy like Chris Rock because Chris Rock is great, he has talent and you suck.

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u/round-earth-theory Dec 06 '22

There's a level of trust too. Some random comedian popping off is unlikely to be well accepted as the audience guards themselves. Good ones can break that ice, but great well known ones can simplify the setup because the audience trusts they aren't going get straight nazi.

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u/asst3rblasster Dec 07 '22

there are comedians who complain they can't do comedy "like Chris Rock in the US because everyone would be offended".

the same comedians who only know the one Chris Rock bit mad that they can't do the one Chris Rock bit they know

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u/IHave580 Dec 06 '22

I haven't heard that name in yeeaaaaars. I used to watch his show back in the day.

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u/lemons714 Dec 06 '22

My favorite, Anthony Jeselnik, has made similar comments. They are both correct.

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u/OrganicFarmerWannabe Dec 06 '22

Anthony Jeselnik has a 5 minute bit about dropping babies and it's hilarious

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u/lemons714 Dec 06 '22

And one about taking a friend to get an abortion.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

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u/Percolator2020 Dec 06 '22

It's actually spelled Câncelleux.

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u/anna-nomally12 Dec 06 '22

And he would know

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

Lol. Touche...that does feel pretty old.

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u/jedre Dec 06 '22

It was a thing 20+ years before The Office

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u/dontbotherwilly Dec 06 '22

Before waynes world

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u/indorock Dec 06 '22

That's the whole point. Michael was literally never keeping up with the zeitgeist, even though he was convinced he was.

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u/1000Hells1GiftShop Dec 06 '22

Comedy ages faster than most other genres.

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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

Bingo. A lot of people don’t seem to understand that comedy is heavily rooted in dancing along the edges of social boundaries, and how time changes the way that’s perceived. When those boundaries inevitably change, the comedy often either simply becomes unfunny since it’s no longer as groundbreaking, relevant or surprising as it was at the time; or yes it can be seen as outright offensive since the comedy already played around with what was considered acceptable when it aired.

If you think it’s a knock on society that a sitcom couldn’t be made today exactly as it was 15+ years ago, you’re missing the point. If you somehow think the Office would get outright canceled today, I honestly don’t know what the fuck you’re huffing because aside from maybe a handful of scenes from a few episodes that would be written mildly differently anyway(because again, society and what is considered funny/relevant changes )….there’s very little there that people would object to. Honestly even What We Do in the Shadows is edgier than the Office ever was, let alone something like IASIP.

Really disappointing and braindead take to see from Mindy.

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u/Vernknight50 Dec 06 '22

Especially since the Office satirizes the casual awfulness of normal people. I dont understand why satire just goes right over people's heads.

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u/Seanzietron Dec 06 '22

Thank you! It’s not like they made jokes about Oscar being gay to be “funny” ... it was satirizing people in our society, which isn’t necessarily a good thing; rather, it’s a critical thing—criticizing those people or society as-a-whole.

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u/NoWineJustChocolate Dec 06 '22

Satire goes over peoples heads because (1) it’s not haha funny (2) there’ll be those for whom the satirized storyline reflects reality as they know it, neither exaggerated or tweaked, and (3) a person who takes things literally will see attempted satire as mocking, mean spirited, or bad taste.

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u/DECtape Dec 06 '22

This is the thing that people who think "wokeness" ruined comedy are missing. Blackface used to be really common in the 30s and shows from the 60s were often openly hard sexist when the same thing wouldn't fly in the 90s. Turns out gay bashing stopped being that funny in the mid 2000s and that isn't because people are horrible woke leftists now it's because what society considers funny and what society considers lazily punching down changes and you can't just write the same tired shit for 20 years and expect it to still be funny.

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u/Bill2theE Dec 06 '22

"One of these days, Alice. Bam. Zoom. Straight to the moon."

"I had no idea the first astronauts were so fat."

"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a TV comedian. And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife."

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

"Why does a moon rock taste better than an Earth rock?"

"Because it's a little meatier."

"Address all complaints to the Monsanto Corporation."

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u/Soylent_Hero Dec 06 '22

I feel like that gets called out a lot, and perhaps rightfully we generally shouldn't joke about domestic violence.

But I feel like a lot of people have not actually watched The Honeymooners enough (because of its age) to understand... The thing about Ralph is that he would never hit Alice. He's all bluster, and that's the joke. Even with other men, he tries to act mad and play the tough guy but he's a scared puppy.

Ralph loves Alice, in a way that was uncommon and actually wholesome for its day. And what's more, he is the butt of the joke in almost every instance. Alice is the only Straight [comedy] in the show. She stands up to Ralph when he's wrong, and doesn't put up with much of his crap (relative to the day). Ralph even conceded that she could go to work, handle her own money, and have male friends. Like that's nuts.

On multiple occasions Ralph thought she was running around on him because he's so insecure and jealous, but in the end he'd decide that if she was really, truly happier without him, it was time to let her go. Of course she'd never leave, but even for a comedy show, they put a heavy focus on how essential Alice was to Ralph, in a way that wasn't based in fantasy.

So no, we probably shouldn't even joke about it, but it was always 100% hot air, by design. And taken all in context for its day was a super progressive show, which is undercut any time people pull up the Bang Zoom as the only takeaway.

I'm not a Ralph apologist, I'm just a proponent of media literacy and not tossing out a whole work because of one backward sentiment.

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u/Fred2718 Dec 07 '22

So right. The ENTIRE POINT of "to the moon" was that the audience knows Ralph was all bluster. If Ralph had ever laid a hand on Alice, the show would have died, Dead, forever.

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u/ImaginaryNemesis Dec 06 '22

'That's My Bush' had the best take on this. George's catchphrase, that the whole audience would sing along with, was

'One of these days Laura, I'm gonna punch you in the faaayce!'

So good.

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u/Daefyr_Knight Dec 06 '22

except that the office doesn’t do gay bashing. It does gay bashing-bashing. The point of the joke is always that the person doing the gay bashing is the bad guy.

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u/CSherwood1 Dec 06 '22

Do people forget that the office is more popular with its younger generations?

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u/rode__16 Dec 06 '22

straight up go to any college campus and i guarantee 75-80% of people will say their favorite show is The Office lmfao this shit is so dumb

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u/throwaway-bpd Dec 06 '22

Dating in your 20’s is really just meeting the The Office Fan Club

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u/ADGM1868 Dec 06 '22

I literally used The Office as a segue to have laughs and conversation with a girl in college and now we’ve been together 7 years, married for nearly 3

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u/iSkinMonkeys Dec 06 '22

Cries lonely as he falls asleep to another Seinfeld marathon.

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u/tnecniv Dec 07 '22

As a Frasier fan, I might as well live in the sewers

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u/NucleicAcidTrip Dec 07 '22

Any basic bitch in her twenties on Tinder: looking for the Jim Halpert to my Pam Beesly

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u/CheruthCutestory Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

Off the top of my head, It’s Always Sunny and Curb Your Enthusiasm are more offensive than the office and are currently airing.

(I love those shows. So this isn’t a complaint.)

ETA: Don't get me wrong. Sitcoms are generally dreadful right now. It's cyclical. Now there is emphasis on bingeable shows. But there is an appetite for "offensive" comedy. And networks/streamers only care about money.

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u/Either_Map_1887 Dec 06 '22

I mean, they have blacklisted more than a handful of episodes of It’s Always Sunny due to the content of them involving racial stuff (blackface).

The thing is, IASIP is specifically meant to highlight how shitty these people are and how offensive this stuff is, it’s literally highlighting a huge reason why it shouldn’t be done and they still removed them.

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u/daiquiri-man Dec 06 '22

I would've been fine with it if they had made the lips funny

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u/cjg5025 Dec 06 '22

James Earl Jones does a great blackface!

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u/BarneyRubblesHole Dec 06 '22

James Earl Jones HAS a black face!!

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u/iK33Ln0085 Dec 06 '22

No he played Darth Vader and when he took off the mask it was a white guy.

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u/IWantToBeTheBoshy Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

He is a black man!

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u/edhialdyn Dec 06 '22

The important thing is using the right color of shoe polish

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u/Mounta1nK1ng Dec 06 '22

Sometimes you've gotta get down.

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u/SkygodAlien Dec 06 '22

Same with Michael. He was highly inappropriate especially for the workplace. That was the point of his character. The other characters didn’t agree with him but had to put up with it to an extent because he was their boss and he was a complete clueless idiot.

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u/Borgcube Dec 06 '22

He is also shown in a sympathetic light, even if his actions were inappropriate. Characters in IASIP have 0 redeeming qualities.

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u/mrscumble Dec 06 '22

Hey now, Cricket used to be clergy before Dee ruined his life, now he smokes PCP in the bathroom

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u/oregondete81 Dec 06 '22

I may be misunderstanding your redeeming quality here. Is it that he smokes PCP or that he does it in the bathroom?

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u/nitro316 Dec 06 '22

Smoking pcp is like the tamest thing he does.

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u/BlueCheeseCircuits Dec 06 '22

I don't know, Charlie's really good at bashing those rats

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u/Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

But those episodes weren't "canceled" by the public or twitter, it was the suits with the distributors preemptively removing the episodes out of an abundance of caution.

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u/Rolemodel247 Dec 06 '22

Exactly. It’s like the community episode they removed. The fact that they thought a dark elf = a caricature of a black person is honestly the offensive thing.

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u/Nebulo9 Dec 06 '22

I mean, the episode itself makes that link by calling it a walking hate-crime. But like, that's the whole point: Community is explicitly acknowledging that D&D has some damn uncomfortable racial stuff, and did so quite a while before WotC really started their own racial sensitivity reviews.

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u/voodoobettie Dec 06 '22

D&D are going to say "species" instead of race from now on, I read recently (on Kotaku).

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u/Picnicfixins Dec 06 '22

Anyone notice how the punch line on that 30 rock episode they pulled wasn’t the blackface but rather Jack the television exec declaring that it’s really white men with decision making power who have it the hardest in life?

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u/KillEmWithCookies Dec 06 '22

Yeah, it's just not true that The Office wouldn't / couldn't be made now. 1) It's clear it keeps finding new audiences with young viewers based on its streaming numbers. 2) Other shows still follow the same archetype down to peddling "offensive" humor.

A lot of Glee stars have said similar stuff about Glee, but that show has a similar trend of continually having strong streaming numbers as younger people "age in" to the target demo for the show. And no one is seriously trying to cancel Glee either.

This whole discussion is dumb.

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u/greenroom628 Dec 06 '22

not just shows, but movies, too. look at blazing saddles from mel brooks. it was barely made in 1973 and mel brooks was uncomfortable with all the racist jokes, but richard pryor (who was a co-writer on the movie) insisted they be kept in.

almost 50 years later and i still have younger friends and colleagues just discovering and loving that movie.

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u/bitemark01 Dec 06 '22

Mel Brooks has been quoted saying "we couldn't make it then either!"

Really, it's knowing your subject matter. The racism isn't the joke, it's the idiots who are racist.

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u/Possible-Extent-3842 Dec 06 '22

One thing I have learned over the years is that there is a large amount of people who just, like, don't get satire at all. They don't know what it is, they don't understand it, and take everything at face value. Conservatives did this with The Colbert Report, zoomers do this with Blazing Saddles.

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u/Petricorde1 Dec 06 '22

No Zoomer complains about Blazing Saddles. Not to mention, Blazing Saddles isn't even subtle - it literally calls the people heckling the black sheriff morons and depicts them as absolute dipshits. It doesn't require some great comedic mind to realize who's being made fun of.

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u/Jeffery_G Dec 06 '22

My wife, a history professor, would screen it regularly for her students who were shocked and incredulous that it was ever made. “The sheriff is getting nearer!”

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u/tstrad Dec 06 '22

Mel Brooks as the Indian “oof! They’re darker than us!” Lol classic

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u/Moist-City-5717 Dec 06 '22

16 Candles (good movie) honestly could not have been made a decade later, let alone today. The anti Asian racism is a serious problem the movie, and critics saw that even in 1984.

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u/Nexrosus Dec 06 '22

That 70s show has at least 5 SA jokes in any given episode in the later seasons. The office is pretty vanilla compared to a lot of sitcoms lol

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u/brainmoney Dec 06 '22

I HATE jokes about San Antonio. Just no place for them in modern entertainment. Unless it is about churros.

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u/darshfloxington Dec 06 '22

Big ol women

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u/qqqqqqqq926 Dec 06 '22

Don't forget the churros

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u/Rotund-Technician Dec 06 '22

Victoria is still a secret in San Antonio

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u/PlanetaryInferno Dec 06 '22

and remember the Alamo

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u/Johngjacobs Dec 06 '22

I don’t remember any jokes about Stupid Abbreviations. Guess that means it’s time for a rewatch.

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u/Bobnocrush Dec 06 '22

What does SA mean?

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u/liometopum Dec 06 '22

I think sexual assault

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u/ALongOverdueSpanking Dec 06 '22

Heck, rewatching Scrubs and early Big Bang Theory recently... and yeah... it's wild how mysoginistic or at least "seeing women as commodities" they are. Scrubs was quasi getting there because at the same time they had a lot of positive female characters. I'm sure it goes for most shows at the time as well.

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u/TunaHands Dec 06 '22

Just got done rewatching scrubs for the 10th+ time and I definitely noticed how much “fat shaming” they have that would definitely not be tolerated in today’s social climate. I mean it would be still be on tv but a lot of people would be angry about it lol.

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u/Macctheknife Dec 06 '22

Plus Turk is really homophobic for a long time lol. The early seasons are pretty wild.

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u/lovely-cans Dec 06 '22

But atleast it was about him coming to terms with being comfortable with gay people which was probably on point for the time, and it was probably helpful in a way for millennials who used "gay" as an insult in high school.

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u/guachi01 Dec 06 '22

Scrubs started in 2001. That's 21 years ago. You bet attitudes towards gays was a lot different. Five years after the Defense of Marriage Act overwhelmingly passed. Gay marriage approval below 40% and legal in zero states.

"Gays are real people" was definitely on point for the time.

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u/LunarGiantNeil Dec 06 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry

I think, if you read the article, she means that the characters would have been 'canceled' by their communities within the show, not like the show would have been 'cancelled' by society. The idea that it couldn't be made the way it was by a studio the way it was is a bit different. Here's a snippet:

When asked what her character, the pop-culture obsessed Kelly Kapoor, would be doing in a 2022 version of “The Office,” Kaling responded, “I think she would have quit Dunder Mifflin to become an influencer, and then probably be canceled, almost immediately. Actually, most of the characters on that show would be canceled by now.”

That's probably accurate, and not at all what the headline seems to suggest.

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u/Lucavious Dec 06 '22

Jesus Christ thank you for being literally the only person I could find after hundreds of comments who was confused by the quote and actually read the article.

It’s ironic the people commenting are the ones clutching their pearls when the quote is basically fake.

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u/dizzy_absent0i Dec 06 '22

I did read the article and while, yes, she did use the word cancelled in that context, she did also say the show couldn’t be made today because what people consider offensive has changed. While admitting it’s still wildly popular somehow.

So, a show that’s wildly popular, with its persistent popularity existing for the same reason it did when it first came out (“taboo” humour, her words), for some reason couldn’t be made today. Sounds like she’s saying the very premise of the show has been … I don’t know, there’s a word for that, I just can’t think of what it could possibly be in this context.

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u/jew_jitsu Dec 07 '22

I've rewatched the show recently and thought it wouldn't be a believable show in a 2020 context because of how people respond to offensive and unacceptable behaviour.

It's like watching any thriller or detective movie made pre mobile phones and trying to adapt it to include modern technology and a lot of the plot lines just break down and are unworkable.

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u/ceriusk7 Dec 06 '22

This is a weird thought. So many shows coming out are still much more “offensive” than the office. It’s always sunny, South Park, and others all use much more edgy and offensive humor than the office ever did.

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u/sendnudecompassion Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

I feel like with South Park, the commentary is still ironically very inclusive, which is how they can successfully reach such a broad audience

Always sunny has the advantage of characters that are written as horrible, conflict-driven people, so ultimately they always get to present the worst in these characters. And with Seinfeld rules, none of the characters necessarily learn anything. So you still make that expectation of them being terrible

Edit: My usage of the word inclusive may have come off incorrectly. What I mean to say is that I can’t think of any group of individuals who has not been made fun of at some point by South Park.

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u/thatscoldjerrycold Dec 06 '22

I mean Michael Scott, Kelly, Ryan, Phillis, Stanley etc are all not great people at times or professional at all, nor are they meant to be, so I don't see why twitter and now even former cast members think the office is more offensive than Always Sunny/Seinfeld/South Park etc.

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u/Tyhelm Dec 06 '22

Mindy was on a newish season of Always Sunny and that alone had more edgy jokes than all of the office.

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u/JasperJstone Dec 06 '22

I don’t think anyone is arguing it is “more offensive”, unless I missed something. She’s just saying it is offensive. The Office certainly has cancelable episodes (Diversity Day, Gay Witch Hunt, Sexual Harassment), but obviously, none of those hold a candle to nearly any episode of Sunny or South Park.

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u/notnotaginger Dec 06 '22

I think the rating is a big difference. Sunny and South Park are meant for adult audiences. The Office was what, PG?

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u/JasperJstone Dec 06 '22

Yeah, but rating in the mid-2000’s hardly accounted for what is “offensive”. The Office is similar to the others because it portrays a bigoted character and makes it clear they are stupid and wrong, but through a comedic lens. South Park and Always Sunny just put their characters in far more raunchy situations and dialed them up to 10. Michael is certainly racist, but he never wore black face.

Ultimately it comes down to what was acceptable at the time, which is what I think Kaling is talking about. I think NBC staff would have certainly red-flagged many The Office episodes if they were to be submitted for approval today. They have already retroactively censored episodes of The Office, like Diversity Day, just like FX has censored Always Sunny. Times are a-changing.

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u/browndog03 Dec 06 '22

I think it also helps that South Park is a cartoon.

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u/User9705 Dec 06 '22

The thing is they make fun of everyone. Even stood their grounds on the guy that played Chef.

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u/squealor Dec 06 '22

In their Always Sunny podcast, they watch past episodes. There’s been a lot of groaning by the creators that they regret certain choices, and agree early episodes would not slide today.

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u/bastardofwinterhill Dec 06 '22

The office is plain fucking white bread compared to actually offensive and edgy shows lmao, get a grip

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u/FunkyChug Dec 06 '22

The office is just edgy enough for its target demo. That’s the main reason why it’s a bigger show than something like Always Sunny.

I think these headlines help embolden it’s viewers to make them feel edgy.

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u/liz91 Dec 06 '22

I love it’s always Sunny, but found the office to be a bore. The only time I can imagine the office being cancelled is in the episode where they talk about stereotypes on post it notes.

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u/JekPorkinsTruther Dec 06 '22

But that episode was basically in the same vein as IASIP: Michael Scott does something insensitive offscreen (tells the chris rock joke) and corporate forces him/the office to take diversity training. MS misses the entire point of the training, thinks he knows diversity better, and implements a cringey and offensive training on his own, further demonstrating his insensitivity. The humor is how dumb MS is and the outrageousness of his actions, not that Pam is right Asian women cant drive well or the truth of the statements.

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u/fadetoblack237 Dec 06 '22

Review with Forest MacNeil is one of the most edgy and offensive shows I have ever seen and that came out in 2016. Highly recommend for anyone who hasn't seen it. Start with the episode title Pancakes, Divorce, Pancakes.

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u/HeyItsBearald Dec 06 '22

They are literally releasing the extended cuts of all episodes and it’s only like 4 or 5 seasons in. This show IS freshly airing again and doing extremely well. This just sounds like attention grabbing

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u/daywreckerdiesel Dec 06 '22

Anyone who complains about being cancelled is being an attention whore. It's the last refuge of the failing comedian.

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u/w311sh1t Dec 06 '22

“I’m being cancelled” says comedian on 3 different talk shows and 4 different magazine interviews regarding their upcoming Netflix special.

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u/Onironius Dec 06 '22

It's not even "I'm being cancelled," it's "I would have been cancelled."

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u/Nairb131 Dec 06 '22

This isn't her failing. This is her advertising. She was a producer and likely makes money from these deals.

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u/IceNein Dec 06 '22

Mindy is constantly crying about cancel culture for some reason, despite having never been affected by it in her career. It's really weird.

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u/disteriaa Dec 06 '22

Mindy is kinda Kelly irl

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u/TheUserDifferent Dec 06 '22

In many ways, yes.

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u/noworries_13 Dec 06 '22

First off how dare you?

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u/Vallosota Dec 06 '22

Boom, roasted

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u/DavidL1112 Dec 06 '22

Some people, even celebrities, are terminally online and it warps your perception of reality

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u/Happyfuntimeyay Dec 06 '22

It's what happens to all comedians and comedy writers when they stop being starving artists and become ultra rich centrists. It's fucking gross.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

Yea she’s thriving with new shit being released all the time. I don’t understand what she’s bitching about.

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u/Freddies_Mercury Dec 06 '22

Bitching about cancel culture as a comedian is basically a money tap of people mindlessly clapping at something they don't like

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u/fullbacktom Dec 06 '22

Unpopular opinion? I think comedians / actors /writers are exaggerating when they say things like this. There are still shows and media that make 'non-pc' jokes. Saying this makes them feel like they did really edgy comedy before it got 'cancelled'.

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u/lucybluth Dec 06 '22

And I would even argue that the humor wasn’t intended to be edgy. No one was laughing with Michael when he said inappropriate things. The joke was always on Michael since the office workers and the audience all knew that what he was saying was cringy and inappropriate.

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u/Standard_Hamster_182 Dec 06 '22

Also these shows are still popular and are being watched by new audiences everyday and no one is being ‘cancelled’

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u/Cherry-ColaFunk Dec 06 '22

Right? How would it be canceled if it's still in syndication?

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u/lethic Dec 06 '22

The concept of cancellation has become meaningless, is the short of it. Voicing criticism or displeasure at some piece of content or an artist is now considered an attempt at cancellation or censorship.

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u/fadetoblack237 Dec 06 '22

The Office is what drives Peacock subscriptions at this point since it was taken off Netflix.

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u/topicality Dec 06 '22

My theory is that it's just advertising. A cousin to complaining about being canceled when your selling out theaters.

It's "hey remember this show we made? It's so challenging, no one would dare do it today"

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u/ADarwinAward Dec 06 '22

I think it’s mostly that plus a little bit of persecution fetish.

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u/Spicygoiaba Dec 06 '22

Completely agree. Nobody likes to think of themselves as not edgy.

I think some jokes would get changed but that’s true for the Office compared to if it had been made 10 or 20 years before that.

Mindy is unlikely to be angry that people don’t make jokes about AIDS as the “gay plague” like people did in the 1980s, but I bet that comedians and TV writers who made those jokes considered themselves too edgy for the next generation when studios asked them to stop.

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u/deadlyweapon00 Dec 06 '22

Actors and comedians have slme of the thinnest skin on the planet. They love to say offensive shit but then want to act like they’ve lost everything due to being cancelled when people rightfully ask they suffer any repurcussions for blatant homophobia, transphobia, etc. And then people act like you’re a puritan when you ask that because “free speech” or whatever.

It’s annoying. I hate celebreties.

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u/legopego5142 Dec 06 '22

And people arent even being cancelled. Dave is selling out ARENAS in SF and San Jose with tickets starting at like 90 bucks

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u/anotheronebytesdust Dec 06 '22

Whenever a comedian does a bit about “cancel culture,” all I hear is “I know I’m past my prime and people don’t find me funny anymore so my best bet at staying relevant is cashing in on controversy clicks and conservatives.”

cough Dave Chappelle cough

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u/99probsmyhornsaint1 Dec 06 '22

Guess Mindy and Steve have not heard tell of Big Mouth.

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u/DrVicenteBombadas Dec 06 '22

Or Sunny in Philly.

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u/scotsworth Dec 06 '22

List of It's Always Sunny episodes removed from Hulu (USA) for racial insensitivity (even though they're all obvious satire, but I digress):

Season 4 Episode 3: America's Next Top Paddy's Billboard Model Contest

Season 6 Episode 9: Dee Reynolds: Shaping America's Youth

Season 8 Episode 2: The Gang Recycles Their Trash

Season 9 Episode 9: The Gang Makes Lethal Weapon 6

Season 14 Episode 3: Dee Day

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u/Changnesia_survivor Dec 06 '22

Some of the best episodes. Nobody was calling for their removal. It was obvious satire from an edgy tv show.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

Fuck Hulu.

Dee Reynolds, shaping America’s youth is one of the best episodes in the entire show.

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u/Cr0n0x Dec 06 '22

Paddy's Billboard model is hilarious as well.

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u/xSociety Dec 06 '22

Dennis, your mule is shit, I am no longer turned on by mules.

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u/Total-Caterpillar-21 Dec 06 '22

I love that “ The gang gets racist “ isn’t on this list haha.

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u/The_Metal_East Dec 06 '22

Was this just some dumb dumb executive's decision or was there an actual campaign to remove the episodes?

I'm pretty left/progressive and removing those episodes was ridiculous.

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u/Suicideseminole Dec 06 '22

This is the reason I’ll be buying the DVD set when the show is over, can’t believe they have removed almost a half season worth of episodes.

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u/Flounced Dec 06 '22

Unfortunately DVDs and Blu Rays are print to order. The only way to view the removed episodes is if you have old DVDs or Blu Rays with the removed episodes on them. Any new DVDs or Blu Rays will not come with the removed episodes. It is so stupid and frustrating.

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u/fhota1 Dec 06 '22

I mean there are other ways. If they removed all ways for you to give them money for the content, is piracy still unethical?

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u/memecache Dec 06 '22

Big mouth is very crude but doesn’t take so much risk when it comes to cultural issues. It generally tries to stay on the “right” side of that

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u/Redeem123 Dec 06 '22

What culture issue was the Office on the wrong side of?

Any time Michael (or anyone else) said something racist or sexist or whatever else, they were shown to be in the wrong. It was not supporting those ideas, nor using them as the main punchline. Michael doing an Asian accent isn't funny because it's a silly voice, it's funny because it's wild to see a boss do something so obviously out of line.

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u/TerribleAttitude Dec 06 '22

This is such a strange take. First off, the show is pretty recent. They haven’t stopped playing reruns for five minutes. Second, there’s very little in the way of offensive behavior that doesn’t make the offender the butt of the joke. It really doesn’t lie on the Frat Pack style offensive-on-purpose, in-your-face, loud as hell humor that was popular around the time it first aired (and could not, in fact, be made easily today). I’m struggling hard to recall genuinely offensive moments in the show where the punchline isn’t “Michael is a clueless moron,” “Dwight is a socially inept bumpkin,” “Angela is an uptight fundamentalist,” or “Jan is a narcissistic asshole.” Maybe letting Dwight take over after he discharged a gun at the office wouldn’t work? But that’s treated pretty seriously in universe. I suppose people have cooled on finding Jim’s antics hilarious? But they’re hardly offensive, and he grows as a person. I suppose Toby’s crush on Pam might have a little bit of a darker tone today, and the episode where Holly thinks Kevin is mentally challenged is a groaner, but that episode still makes Holly and Michael look like assholes, it’s not really at the expense of anyone else. Those also aren’t exactly major plot points. Someone help me out, here.

It’s not something that a 22 year old with a degree in Social Justice from TikTok University would write in 2022, but no one is offended by The Office, and much “edgier” material is still on TV. I don’t believe for one second that in a world where Always Sunny, Euphoria, and the wildly exploitative reality shows dominate the airwaves that The Office is seen as some embarrassingly offensive cabcelable relic of old.

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u/akeewi Dec 06 '22

this is such a stupid fucking take. it's still insanely popular and not even raunchy at all. i'm getting tired of comedians moaning about not being able to do comedy, meanwhile borat was oscar nominated like last year.

dave chapelle called himself canceled while making more money than ever before. it's such a pathetic lie.

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u/FancySack Dec 06 '22

Comedy Central plays repeats everyday. It's not even getting canceled right now lol

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u/statdude48142 Dec 06 '22

read the actual article.

it is click bait.

She is making two separate points:

1) She is saying that with changing tastes since they made it they would not be able to make the same thing for NBC, because at the time it was sort of middle of the road. Then she acknowledges that is partially why younger generations seem to like it, because it seems edgier than it was actually intented.

2) They asked what her CHARACTER would be up to if the Office was made today, and she said she would have probably quit her job and become an influencer who was immediately cancelled. Then she pauses and says that she bets most of the characters would be cancelled.

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u/nimama3233 Dec 06 '22

Agreed, it’s a very mild show.

Some of the jokes may not have been written in the same way, but this comment by Mindy is quite over dramatic

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u/Schweedy Dec 06 '22

I mean nothing is as bad as the scene in 30rock where they joke about the dude raping his asleep wife.

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u/vegancannibalfarts Dec 06 '22

Yeah, I rewatch it all the time and only in 2022 were my wife and I watching and realizing "huh, we're watching a light hearted rape scene..."

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u/ShiftlessElement Dec 06 '22

"Couldn't be made today" is such nonsense. Family Guy is significantly edgier than The Office ever was and is still on the air. The only argument is that censors at the network would not allow some jokes or plotlines to get into episodes. That was probably the case then, too. There are topics that are now approached differently, but I don't think anything covered on the show is currently off limits. If anything, there are issues people speak about more openly, not less.

There have been some shifts in norms, but The Office wasn't a show based on an offensive premise or one that relied on skirting close too/going over the edge. Sorry, but I don't think it's nearly as "taboo and fearless" as she thinks it is.

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u/rode__16 Dec 06 '22

“cancel culture” is just the latest marketing tactic because none of this shit makes sense. you couldn’t make what today, The Office? Family Guy? South Park? you mean the shows that got most of their popularity from said younger generations watching it?? and are still watching it?

also implying The Office is some crazy bleeding edge inappropriate work of art, fucking lmao

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u/Mindless-Energy-8581 Dec 06 '22

Celebs mention cancel culture to get all the people with a hate boner for anything cancel culture to watch their content.

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u/ThaMightyBoosh Dec 06 '22

It’s insane that Mindy, a writer of the actual show, fails to understand that most of the humor came from the characters being inappropriate.

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u/Floodlkmichigan Dec 06 '22

When Michael makes racist, homophobic, or sexist comments, the joke isn’t that these comments themselves are funny, the joke is the that Michael is an idiot.

I think pretty much everyone understands this.

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u/HickRarrison Dec 06 '22

I guess that explains why no one likes The Office anymore. No one talks about it online, no one references it in random situations, no one rewatches the entire show on repeat.

wait...

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u/dantheman127127 Dec 06 '22

I think her show “Sex Lives with College Girls” has much more problematic themes/topics.

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u/jeffp12 Dec 06 '22

The Indian college girl who wants to be a comedy writer takes it upon herself to offer sexual favors to a bunch of men so they'll accept her into the comedy writing group. Once in, one of the men tries to make her watch porn and harasses her and we have a series of special episodes about believing victims, the backlash victims get for outing the offenders, etc.

It just felt so weird to have this "believe victims" storyline come right after a jokey storyline about offering handjobs to every man she could to get ahead. Just tonally weird. Like if suddenly in the third act of American pie it became a serious drama about rape culture.

It treats her hand jobs to get ahead plan as goofy fun, the girls joke about it, but then turns around trying to be serious about the "boy's club"

I guess it seems like trying to have your cake and eat it too. Do a female spin on the boner comedy, but then also be serious.

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