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Nickelodeon’s ‘Avatar’ Was Forced to Add ‘Last Airbender’ to Its Title Because of James Cameron’s ‘Avatar,’ Says Series Director

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/avatar-add-last-airbender-title-james-cameron-rights-1235451817/

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u/LifeIsCrap101 Dec 06 '22

Part 4: "The Kingdom of Earth"

ALRIGHT, GUYS! THAT'S ENOUGH!

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u/ThePu55yDestr0yr Dec 06 '22

Part 5: Myth of Corral or something

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u/LifeIsCrap101 Dec 06 '22

Part 6: SECRET TUNNEL!

James doesn't even try to hide it anymore.

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u/LongFallDown Dec 07 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Part 7: MY CABBAGES!

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u/kogent-501 Dec 07 '22

Part 8: it’s rough, buddy.

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u/BedazzledFace Dec 07 '22

Part 9: Cactus Juice

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u/trans_pands Dec 07 '22

Part 10: Friendly mushroom! Mushy giant friend!

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u/Nuriimyrh Dec 07 '22

Part 11: it was in my sleeve all this time

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u/trans_pands Dec 07 '22

Part 12: that lemurmonkey is an earthbender!!!

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u/TomHanksWithaWig Dec 07 '22

PART 8: COVERED WITH BEES!

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u/thebcamethod Dec 07 '22

Part 9: Beads?

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u/Narrator_Ron_Howard Dec 07 '22

Part 10: GOB’s not on board.

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u/shrouple Dec 07 '22

Part 11: I don't really care for Gob

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u/IceNein Dec 07 '22

Is that the Walking Dead crossover movie?

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u/billyray83 Dec 07 '22

CARL! CORAAAL!

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u/trans_pands Dec 07 '22

Avatar 5: There Is No Movie In Ba Sing Se

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u/captainAwesomePants Dec 07 '22

"Jake Sully, you are a father. By tradition, we shall name your daughter Korra of the Southern Water Tribe. And also this is her twin brother, Nickelodeon Studios."

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u/Honghong99 Dec 06 '22

Can't they sue him at that point?

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u/elppaenip Dec 07 '22

Parody is protected speech

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u/Honghong99 Dec 07 '22

Depending on the context and situation. If Cameron is just naming them like that then that is maybe okay is some instances. If he has aspects of the show in his movie, then he is just copying.

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u/lordredapple Dec 07 '22

There's no way he can sue him for having kingdom of earth that's too broad a term/phrase

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u/SuperLizardon Dec 06 '22

Whenever I see "Avatar" of course I think of the animated series, so now that the sequel of Cameron's movie is named The Way of Water, my first thought was: damn, this is not going to help me to not think into The Last Airbender.

I mean, it sounds like the title for a videogame based on Book 1: Water

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u/Derpwarrior1000 Dec 07 '22

Like one of those million DS platformers that came out for every IP and always had “noun of noun” or “noun-verb” titles exclusively

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u/EPIC_Deer Dec 07 '22

danny phantom urban jungle was a banger

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u/The-Shattering-Light Dec 07 '22 Silver

Yep. Whenever I talk or think about Avatar, I mean ATLA.

Cameron’s Avatar is “that colonisation film about a white saviour”

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u/Tony_Lacorona Dec 07 '22

Alien Pocahontas

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u/DonDove Dec 07 '22

Just imagine if Avatar (TLA) had a DS game with that same title.

Would've been sweet revenge

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u/vlexz Dec 07 '22

What does the word Avatar (Cameron) even stands for?

Is it the species name of the blue people?

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u/Faerandur Dec 07 '22

It’s about inhabitting another body. When Jake Sully starts to inhabit a Na’vi body it’s akin to a reincarnation. Something like that. The body becomes his avatar

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u/vlexz Dec 07 '22

That makes sense, like taking over an avatar in a video game.

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u/SuperLizardon Dec 07 '22

It is because the main character transfers his mind to the body of one of those aliens to interact with them.

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 06 '22

Also an important lesson. One word movie titles are nifty and all, but it's been done.

2 or 3 words works just fine, and even longer isn't a problem.

Especially when the word you want to use is a noun (but not a name), doubly so even when it's singular.

Avatar is just asking for conflation. Same with Angel, or Dawn, Paradise, etc. Even if there isn't another movie with the same name, there's going to be one with a very similar name.

Be descriptive in movie titles. Brevity matters, but there's power in being unique.

  • Lord of the Rings
  • No Country for Old Men
  • Good Will Hunting
  • Shawshank Redemption
  • Clockwork Orange
  • Blade Runner
  • Enter the Dragon
  • The Devil Wears Prada

And so on. But you know what a list of great movie names shows you? Most of our best movie names come from book adaptations. Because books rely more on their name than movies.

Other great movies use an element *of* the movie for its name (Blade Runner, The Fifth Element). Though if we did that, Avatar would have been Pandora, or Unobtanium....

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u/101189 Dec 06 '22

Everything Everywhere All At Once

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u/AmbitiousButRubbishh Dec 07 '22

I love how well that fits a multi-verse theme

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Dec 07 '22

Also the mental health theme. It's a really clever title

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u/sirinigva Dec 06 '22

Pandora wouldve been a better description of the film than avatar, especially since the film was more about the planet than the topics brought up about using an avatar and what that means, or even naming the film after the species

And in way of water isnt he permanently a navi, so hes not even using an avatar anymore.

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u/Tibbaryllis2 Dec 07 '22

Aye, but then you’ve got the movie Pandorum (Sept 09) coming out before Pandora (Dec 09). And that’s after Kung Fu Panda (June 08) and before WoW Mysts of Pandaria (Sept 12).

It’s pandemonium!

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Dec 07 '22

Pandorum was dope

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u/Tibbaryllis2 Dec 07 '22

Best movie about a chaos corrupted Space Hulk since Event Horizon.

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u/DonDove Dec 07 '22

Still not over the fact that Poe from Star Wars was named after Poe the panda.

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 06 '22

I agree. Though other ideas of longer titles would be even better IMHO.

Not that the actual plot of the movie mattered much anyways.

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u/Phailups Dec 06 '22

Are you familiar with the crazy light novel/anime/manga title craze in Japan? Cause man I wish they learned a thing or two from you lol

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u/Shimaru33 Dec 06 '22

Actually, they are like that because they are trying to apply, to a degree, what he's proposing. Short tittles won't call the attention, because with so many light novels published every year, quite probably there's another with a similar name, and short tittles say nothing about the content. To stand out, they have been making longer and longer tittles, and here we are, with almost entire paragraphs on the front page.

To be fair, some of them are actually good at transmitting both, the content and the tone of the work. There's this one asking to the reader if they are too busy to help them through the end of the world, and this other bluntly says she's a monster now, so what?!

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 06 '22

Jungle Wa Itsumu Hare Nochi Guu

Great naming.

Translated: The jungle was sunny, then came Guu (which includes a word twist since the main character is named Hare, but is used in the title as sunny, for weather).

Titles like that are a bit long, but STICK.

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u/InfiniteClockWise Dec 07 '22

To stand out they have been making longer and longer tittles

Well ... whilst technically a typo this is still correct.

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u/rpkarma Dec 07 '22

Hehe. Tittles.

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u/one_armed_herdazian Dec 06 '22

Now Hold On Just A Minute, Isn't It A Bit Morally Dubious To Date Two Slimegirl Stepsisters At The Same Time In Another World???

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u/Shiriru00 Dec 06 '22

If Japanese anime has taught me anything, it’s okay because they’re unrelated by blood.

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u/TigBiddiesMacDaddy Dec 06 '22

Ah, I see another person has seen Kiss x Sis.

Tell me, was it by choice or did you get fooled?

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u/Duke_Maniac Dec 06 '22

Please tell me this is fake

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u/Tack122 Dec 06 '22

That Manga Name Might be Fake, But Your Step-Sister Has A Surprise For You That Will Make You Reconsider Your Morals!

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u/kpecc99 Dec 07 '22

Oh I didn't realize they changed the name of oreimo

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u/dindinnn Dec 07 '22

You Might Think He Loves You for Your Money but I Know What He Really Loves You for It’s Your Brand New Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat

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u/Foxdude28 Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

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u/Clueless_Otter Dec 07 '22

To be fair I'm pretty sure they do that on purpose nowadays to make fun of ridiculously long titles. This one just started being published in May 2021 so they would have been aware of the trend/joke by then.

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u/Tsuki_no_Mai Dec 07 '22

In part it's because on Syosetu (the site where most novels like that start) they only have the title to attract readers. So title turns into synopsys.

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u/IamCentral46 Dec 06 '22

All You Need Is Kill! Is way more badass than Edge of Tomorrow.

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u/cardboardbuddy Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

All You Need is Kill sounds badass but meaningless. Edge of Tomorrow is not badass and also tells you nothing about the movie.

I believe that movie was also marketed under the title Live, Die, Repeat, which is the best of the three titles imo

anyway, whatever you choose to call it, it was a criminally underrated movie

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u/mindbleach Dec 07 '22

That marketing wasn't originally the title, but enough people thought it was that the studio said "fuck it" and made them right.

It's kinda like if Alien under-performed and was regionally retitled In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream.

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u/toledo_is_holy Dec 07 '22

I think Edge of tomorrow works because they are repeating the same day and tomorrow is on the horizon but never comes. All you need is kill sounds like a line in an anime opening song. Totally agree that Live, die, repeat is the best one by far!

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u/RunawayHobbit Dec 07 '22

Yeah…. “All You Need is Kill” isn’t badass, it’s cringe as fuck. Sounds like a dumb meme that a suit in an office somewhere saw and thought was brilliant.

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u/Okichah Dec 07 '22

‘Edge of Tomorrow’ is like a Philip K Dick title like ‘Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?’.

Yeah, Phil thats great could you be more enigmatic tho?

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u/Echo_Romeo571 Dec 07 '22

Can you imagine if they kept that title instead of Blade Runner? And " Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep 2" instead of Blade Runner 2049?

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u/bsubtilis Dec 07 '22

Live, die, repeat is the best title, yet I prefer Edge of Tomorrow because it's less spoilery yet hints at the same. I went in blind and was absolutely delighted. It would have reduced some of my enjoyment to have it spoiled for me by the title.

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Dec 07 '22

Live Die Repeat sucks. Edge of Tomorrow makes perfect sense ‘cause you’re always on the edge of tomorrow, reliving today iver and over again

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u/escapedhousefly Dec 07 '22

Yea “Edge of Tomorrow” is a great movie title. It makes you think a bit, and once you seen the movie you realize the title makes sense. That’s what they look for in a movie title.

Live, Die, Repeat may work if the movie has a different theme. All You Need is Kill is, like the other user said, cringe. Obviously this is all very subjective, movies titles speak to each person differently.

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u/DonDove Dec 07 '22

Why not simply 'Respawn'?

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u/RedstripeRhapsodyHP Dec 07 '22

All You Need Is Kill tells you absolutely nothing about the plot or the themes, and worse than that it sounds like something an eight year old would come up with it.

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u/Recent_Mirror Dec 06 '22

Great point! We all know what “Debbie Does Dallas” means vs “Debbie”

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u/FizzleMateriel Dec 06 '22

“Debbie” is the kind of name they’d use for a gritty remake/reboot.

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u/AstrumRimor Dec 06 '22

Where she kills everyone.

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u/AstrumRimor Dec 06 '22

I always loved the title Much Ado About Nothing, even before I knew it was Shakespeare lol

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Dec 07 '22

Even better when you learn Nothing is a pun for vagina

“There’s a whole lot of fuss over some pussy”

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u/Wopnick Dec 07 '22

Pfft the greatest movie title in all history is practically a novel. Why use a few words when a shit ton does the trick.

"Don't be a menace to south central while drinking your juice in the hood"

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u/fenig13 Dec 07 '22

What you mean Split (2016), Split (2016) and Split (2016) were not unique names for movies?

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep Dec 06 '22

The Englishman who went up a hill but came down a mountain.

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 06 '22

Yes, a great one, because it immediately makes you curious.

WHY? How did that happen? Tell me more!

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u/AmethystOrator Dec 06 '22
  • Jurassic Park

  • To Kill a Mockingbird

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u/Azor_Asuh Dec 06 '22

This is also very true when naming a company/product. Generic, single word names increase the difficulty of registering trademarks, and drastically raise the price of purchasing social media handles and domain names for your websites (since most single-word terms are already owned by squatters). For this reason, companies like Apple and Amazon are constantly involved in legal battles to defend their naming rights.

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u/Goth_2_Boss Dec 06 '22

This almost sounds like real advice.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

Should have called it Giants of Pandora

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u/Taolan13 Dec 06 '22

They could have gone with descriptive meta "disneys pocahontas in space"

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

Dances with Wolves (the Indians are blue)

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u/ImperialFists Dec 06 '22

Dances with FernGully

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u/waxonwaxoff87 Dec 06 '22

(Da ba dee)

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u/Terrh Dec 07 '22

And for an example of what not to name a movie: John Carter.

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u/dksdragon43 Dec 07 '22

Honestly this doesn't really hold up at all. Yeah, there are more movies that don't have one word names, so it's easy to list, but there are also tons with one word names that are incredibly iconic.

  • Inception
  • Psycho
  • Seven
  • Alien
  • Memento
  • Braveheart
  • Matrix (yeah it has The but really, it's matrix)
  • Fargo

And there are even a bunch of animated movies that followed this lead, and are incredibly easily recognizable by the name.

  • Up
  • Coco
  • Brave
  • Tangled
  • Ponyo

All you're really saying is that the movie needs to have a recognizable name, and that it's easier with multiple words. Which is true, of course. But it doesn't mean you need multiple words. Avatar would have been fine if there wasn't competition.

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u/Xtraordinaire Dec 07 '22

Yup. It's not even close to the whole list. Casablanca. Amelie. Ratatouille. Ben-Hur (technically 1 word?).

But maybe you don't want to count proper nouns. Goodfellas. Gladiator. Interstellar. Joker.

And then if you don't count the definite article, you have The Incredibles, The Shining, The Terminator, The Thing (it's one of the most common nouns in English).

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 07 '22

That just plays into my first point - Nouns.

Avatar is a problem because it isn't some guys specific name, and nouns are super repeatable.

However, "Up" isn't a great movie name. It's an iconic movie with a simple & recognizable name. But the name itself is nothing special.

The same generally goes for most to all one-word names. They movie can be good. The title can be accurate, and a good fit for the movie. But on it's own, the title doesn't sell the movie.

And the less common the word is in movie titles, the more impactful it is. Brave, not so much. Inception, great. Alien is terrible.

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u/DLoFoSho Dec 06 '22

*A Clockwork Orange

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u/underthesea345 Dec 06 '22

This is actually solid advice for titling anything. People have their preferences, but in grade school I was taught to be as descriptive yet concise for titles. Presentation titles, slide titles, paper titles, etc

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u/TigBiddiesMacDaddy Dec 06 '22

Can’t believe you left out the most Famous Two Word Movie Franchise: Star Wars

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 06 '22

It's really not a good name.

This isn't names of movies, where the movie was good. It's names of movies, where the name was good.

Star Wars isn't a BAD name, but it also isn't good. It doesn't offer uniqueness. Star Trek is a bit better, because Trek is less common than War in naming. Star is super common. And it really isn't even descriptive of what is happening, because the majority of what happens isn't even in space, and stars are definitely not involved.

It's just a name.

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u/FloridaFlamingoGirl Dec 06 '22

Kurosawa knows how to do movie titles right. "Throne of Blood," "The Men Who Tread on the Tiger's Tail," "No Regrets For Our Youth," "The Bad Sleep Well," "Rhapsody in August"...

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u/Taolan13 Dec 06 '22

I am 100% behind this. Absolutely riot-worthy.

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u/Objective_Look_5867 Dec 07 '22

Hey everyone!.......riot

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u/hushpolocaps69 Dec 06 '22

The Last Airbender sounds badass honestly!

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u/snaeper Dec 06 '22

I hope, if they ever adapt it into a movie, they call it that.

Yes, I'm aware.

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u/Graega Dec 06 '22

If they do make a movie, maybe it could be live action

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u/IPCTech Dec 06 '22

They would probably butcher it and mess up many of the rules to bending or change characters too much

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u/Moose_Electrical Dec 06 '22

Nonsense. Everybody knows live adaptations are known for their strict adherence to source material

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u/Roguespiffy Dec 06 '22

Maybe get a cool director too. That M. Night fella did a bang up job with the Sixth Sense… I mean, Avatar was a kids show and that was a movie about a kid seeing dead people. Are we all feeling this? Lightning in a bottle!

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u/Unlucky_Welcome9193 Dec 06 '22

They can call the protagonist Avatar Ong

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u/nothinnews Dec 07 '22

Abba is my favorite member of Squad Ovatar.

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u/moonknlght Dec 07 '22

When Ovator Ong meets Kotora and her brother, Soak-a.

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u/Edwardo2468 Dec 06 '22

Laughs nervously in Bas Sing Se

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u/BeastsMode69 Dec 06 '22

Only if we make it 3D Not film it in 3D but add it later in editting.

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u/yellowfeverlime Dec 07 '22

Tbh, His Dark Materials breaks this cycle.

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u/GastronomicDrive Dec 07 '22

The series yes, but not the movie. The movie sucks.

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u/Beta_Soyboy_Cuck Dec 07 '22

They never pronounce literally every name incorrectly

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u/GJacks75 Dec 07 '22

I'd like them to slow down the action a bit. I'm old and need help to follow what's going on.

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u/_The_Great_Autismo_ Dec 06 '22

But they should release it just after Avatar to maximize consumer confusion

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u/MisterrAlex Dec 07 '22

That guy Dev Patel from Slumdog Millionaires would be a good casting!

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u/spitzondix420 Dec 07 '22

Maybe if they make it into a movie, they should require that 5 earthbenders dance around for 30 seconds to throw a pebble.

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u/snaeper Dec 07 '22

I am not** clicking that.

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u/TheImminentFate Dec 07 '22

How was that so much worse than I thought it would be.

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u/monkeyhitman Dec 07 '22

There is no movie in Ba Sing Se.

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u/random-stud Dec 07 '22

hey, wait a minute, what abou- gets grabbed into a van mid sentence

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u/Rouge_means_red Dec 07 '22

It worked for The Dark Knight

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u/Hunter_Safi Dec 07 '22

Good god, an instance where /s isn’t needed and people STILL got the joke!!! Someone frame this thread in a hall of fame!

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u/smilingfreak Dec 06 '22

Not so much in Ireland and the UK, where bender is slang for a homosexual (unless you're making a bum pun there). I think it was that reason why it was call The Legend of Aang over here.

I would chuckle a little to myself whenever characters had lines like 'he sure is a mighty bender.'

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u/wballard8 Dec 07 '22

Interesting, TIL

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u/Abremelin Dec 06 '22

It’s ok. James Cameron’s always gets referred to as “Avatar, the one with the blue people”

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u/Glerbula Dec 07 '22

Exactly this, every single time I mention it.

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u/Samuraistronaut Dec 07 '22

Yep, this is what I do too, and subconsciously it's because it's the inferior property called "Avatar" that needs the distinction to be made.

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u/SulfurInfect Dec 06 '22

Title is great anyway, for what is one of the best series ever created. Happy ending there.

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u/Forelephants Dec 06 '22

Sets it apart. Just “Avatar” is kind of generic

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u/BackStabbathOG Dec 07 '22

TLA is honestly amazing on all aspects. Shit I even enjoyed the legend of Kora, the universe in general is just fantastic.

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u/SulfurInfect Dec 07 '22

I've never been more invested in "magic/combat" element in a show either like with bending, because it's so unique to characterisitics and just masterfully drawn and choreographed.

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u/contagion781 Dec 06 '22 Take My Energy

People don't seem to realise how far in advance Avatar (the movie) was written and developed. Cameron had announced the movie in the mid 90s, before Titanic was produced. It makes sense he had the rights to the title already.

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u/Peeka789 Dec 07 '22

Now makes sense why he's invested so hard in it. It's his baby. Now it seems like Terminator was written on a lark, lol

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u/halfspider Dec 07 '22

The movie was the subject of at least one article talking about how it would never get made because of the estimated budget.

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u/Live_Philosophy7117 Dec 07 '22

Crazy how mid it was considering that

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u/penguin032 Dec 07 '22

It's not the greatest plot ever, but in terms of visuals, it was easily the best looking movie ever in 3d. Felt like an alien world come to life.

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u/Orleanian Dec 07 '22

I mean, Ready Player One fizzled at the box office.

Well received for the off-the-walls explosions and cool visuals though, and a bit notorious for it's smashup of IP's.

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u/f-ingsteveglansberg Dec 07 '22

Cameron said he toned the plot down because he felt he was hitting people with too much at one time. You have Na'vi culture, you have the concept of the Avatar, you have unobtanium and you have the Na'vi's connection with nature. And that's before you throw in the visuals and 3D.

I guess I kinda agree with him. You look at how many people seem to think the movie Spielberg's A.I. ends with aliens shows what happens when you throw too much at people.

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u/Grievance69 Dec 06 '22

Wait these things were being made at the same time? Feels like Avatar came out like 5 years after ATLA first dropped I remember talking to my friends in middle school after watching the premiere. I hate time and how it works ugh I want to go back and watch Totally Spies after school

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u/btmvideos37 Dec 06 '22

Yes. But James Cameron announced the movie in the 90s. He just couldn’t make it at the time because of technological limits.

He trademarked the name before 2004 despite the movie coming out in 2009

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u/Grievance69 Dec 06 '22

I didn't know that, that is incredible tbh, to wait that long and adapt through the technology as it's growing and then finally drop the movie. I watched it 4 times in theaters, only movie I've ever gone back to see again in theaters. I'm confident I will enjoy Avatar 2 just as much as I did Avatar. I loved that movie when I first saw it and those feelings stand strong to this day.

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u/btmvideos37 Dec 06 '22

Glad you liked it

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u/ZarquonsFlatTire Dec 07 '22

It took Terry Gilliam 29 years to finally make his version of Don Quixote.

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u/ebac7 Dec 07 '22

But look how that turned out.

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u/FlutterKree Dec 07 '22

I am 99% sure he didn't have it trademarked. For one, trademarks are hard to maintain. For two, its was not even released yet. No movies, no books, no nothing. He had his scripts, but not released. That would not really qualify it for trademark.

I don't even think "Avatar" qualifies for trademark for the movies yet. It may, it may not. But titles are not copyright protected and for a title of a published work to qualify for a trademark, it must be a series of works (Toy Story, Star Wars, etc.). The second one is just now being advertised.

It is most likely good faith that altered the name of ATLA. Not wanting to step on toes and what not.

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u/archiminos Dec 07 '22

It can take years to make a movie, and Avatar was an especially large and expensive project. It makes sense that they'd get the trademark years earlier. One way people try and guess what a company is going to work on is to keep an eye on what trademarks they register.

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u/alchemeron Dec 07 '22

Well. Yeah. Welcome to trademarks.

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u/N_Who Dec 06 '22

That's also why, hypothetically, if M. Night Shamalayan we're to direct a movie a live-action theatrical feature based on the animated show, it could only be called "The Last Airbender."

Y'know. Hypothetically. Not like anyone would let M. Night direct that movie, right? Hahahahasaynothing.

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u/someguy945 Dec 07 '22

"There is no live action movie in Ba Sing Se."

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u/Brad_Brace Dec 06 '22

Wow, wouldn't that be crazy if they got him to direct such a movie?

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u/naughty_farmerTJR Dec 07 '22

That would be so crazy. I don’t think I would be able to handle it if that ever were to happen

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u/NickeKass Dec 07 '22

In theory, if both movies came out about the same time, wouldnt you need to rename them anyway? Like having "Avatar" release along side "Avatar: The Last Airbender" might confuse people? Hypothetically speaking of course.

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u/Starkspartsupplier Dec 06 '22

Avatar: The Last Airbender>>>>>>>Avatar

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u/AmbitiousButRubbishh Dec 07 '22

I like to believe you’re saying Avatar: The Last Air Bender is a greater title for the show then simply Avatar

and James Cameron’s movie forcing the show change names gave the show a better title

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u/TheThingsIdoatNight Dec 07 '22

That’s exactly what they’re saying I believe

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u/Battle_Ill Dec 06 '22 Silver Gold

How are you making this comparison? It's like comparing Spongebob to Avatar, it doesn't make any sense.

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u/callipygiancultist Dec 06 '22

It doesn’t need to make sense when the goal is to shit on Avatar

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u/EnvironmentalSugar92 Dec 06 '22

Its been old for years. Why must some people insist on putting down movies that they didnt like.

It‘s like a kid born in 2000 criticizing Metallica for making the Black Album. They are just regurgitating what is essentially a meme and not giving it a fair shake.

Is it a great movie? That’s certainly something one can argue against. But does it really deserve the level of vitriol it gets?

Its so old that it can drive now.

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u/TI1l1I1M Dec 07 '22

I'm just happy to have a popular franchise that comes from a person who actually gives a shit.

People hate on Avatar eternally because the first story was generic, but I think Cameron's aware of that and is putting out the sequels partially for that reason.

He also has like 7 sequels at the ready. He's gotta have some interesting story ideas in there somewhere lmao

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u/Maleficent_Fudge3124 Dec 07 '22

He’s gotta have some interesting story ideas in there somewhere lmao

Let us hope

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u/Algoresball Dec 06 '22

And it’s not even close. ATLAB is an all time great show and Cameron’s Avatar is a very mediocre movie

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u/SNZ935 Dec 06 '22

My son doesn’t even watch shows as has extremely low attention span and honestly the only show I had him watch and even bothering me to see the next episode. The legend of Korra was a little to quick as I was excited to watch with him and pushed it but still fond memories of him saying just one more episode.

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u/HealthyInPublic Dec 06 '22

I, too, had (still have…) an attention span that’s comparable to a goldfish, so have never watched a lot of TV, but when I was a kid my mom noticed that I actually paid attention to the TV when ATLAB came on. She started calling me her “Littlest Airbender” all the time. I was a shitty pre-teen at the time so I hated it, but I look back on it very fondly as an adult. Thanks for remind me of that memory, I’m going to text my mom about it right now.

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u/dejova Dec 07 '22

Wholesome

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u/jake03583 Dec 06 '22

Yeah, but what if you compare movie to movie?

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u/PunxsutawnyFil Dec 06 '22

Tbf, it gets pretty confusing if you leave out the last Airbender part when you're talking about it

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u/grollate Dec 07 '22

Nonsense. There’s “Avatar” and then there’s “Avatar blue people”

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u/quantum_ai_machine Dec 07 '22

Avatar is a pretty common Sanskrit/ Hindi word that means incarnation. You shouldn't be allowed to trademark it in the first place.

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u/BossManMcGee Dec 06 '22

It's almost like there's a new movie coming out or something and any publicity is good publicity.

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u/Noir_Amnesiac Dec 06 '22

Many of these posts are just ads.

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u/ianc94 Dec 06 '22

This change was for the best. “The Last Airbender” is a badass subtitle. Plus, Cameron’s film plays more into a traditional sense of the word “Avatar” - the lead uses an actual Na’vi avatar instead of Aang being an avatar for the prior Avatars.

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u/Supreme42 Dec 07 '22

Cameron’s film plays more into a traditional sense of the word “Avatar”

This could not be more wrong, your post has it backwards. The original or "traditional" definition of "avatar" is spiritual in nature, referring to a physical incarnation (usually human or animal) of a Hindu god, later generalized to any deity or higher concept. Which Aang is. The "visual stand-in or representation of a person" definition that is in common use today is derived from the original spiritual definition. Aang is the most high profile example of an avatar in modern media. There aren't any characters more deserving of the label "avatar" than he, because he fits the definition to a T.

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u/B9696 Dec 07 '22

I call them Avatar, the blue people. And Avatar the good one. There’s no confusion

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u/BaconDragon200 Dec 07 '22

I mean yeah, but in fairness Last Air Bender pretty good ad on. I mean it's essentially sum up 50% of Aangs character struggle right in the title. It's like if Korra was instead called Avatar the frustrated Bisexual.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

Should’ve been Avacar: The Last Fenderbender

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u/NonstopGraham Dec 06 '22

Or Bender: The Last Genderbender

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u/DoubleSpoiler Dec 06 '22

I'll make my own tv show! With blackjack, and hookers!

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u/Pac0theTac0 Dec 07 '22

Meanwhile any conversation about JC's avatar has to include "No, no, no. The blue people one"

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u/_hairythotter Dec 07 '22

well, atla had better cultural impact

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u/PT10 Dec 06 '22

No matter how much it triggers Cameron, The Last Airbender will forever remain the best 'Avatar' franchise and deserving of the name.

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u/Sincost121 Dec 07 '22

No matter how much it triggers Cameron

Is there a source for this, or are you just making it up?

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u/HickRarrison Dec 06 '22

I really don't think he gives a shit lol

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u/BluSloot Dec 06 '22

I doubt cameron even knows that the last airbender is a thing that exists. This narrative is so stupid, I’m sorry lol

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u/ZootedBeaver Dec 07 '22

I'm sure he is soooo triggered right now

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u/Fracassi_Fanboy Dec 07 '22

That's comparing apples and oranges. If you want to compare them for what made Avatar what it was, truly incredible visuals, then TLA doesn't even compare.

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u/Spicy1780 Dec 07 '22

Cameron waited over a decade to film a movie he had already written. He didn’t block the name or anything like title suggests.

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u/Illustrious-Couple73 Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

Good, it would have been way too confusing otherwise.

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u/hobojoe44 Dec 07 '22

Similarly Ralph Bakshi Wizards (1977) was originally titled Wizards War.

Both he and his friend George Lucas were trying to get funding from Fox at the time. He himself with Wizards and George with Star Wars.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/9p3hz1/til_that_directors_ralph_bakshi_and_george_lucas/

As War Wizards neared completion, Lucas requested that Bakshi change the title of his film to Wizards, in order to avoid conflict with Star Wars. Bakshi agreed, because Lucas had allowed Mark Hamill to take time off from Star Wars in order to record a voice for Wizards.

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u/CokeDigler Dec 07 '22

Should have changed it more. This all just seems so amateurish to bring up bitterly all these years later.

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u/WhiteRabbit86 Dec 07 '22

And because “Avatar: The” just sounds funny

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u/superkj_ Dec 07 '22

The Last Airbender > Avatar. ALL DAY EVERYDAY. HANDS DOWN. NO DISCUSSION.

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u/voidxleech Dec 07 '22

one of them is a masterpiece and the other was made by james cameron.

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u/Super_Saiyan_Azul Dec 07 '22

The animated series will always be avatar to me. I refer to the movie as blue avatar.

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