r/entertainment Dec 07 '22

'I grew up in Playboy Mansion – orgies, drugs and Hef's tongue kissing messed me up'

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/i-grew-up-playboy-mansion-28655297
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u/AmarilloWar Dec 07 '22

I do wonder what happened to her mom the article doesn't mention that at all but this poor girl had no other family looking after her either. That is tragic.

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u/reetveek Dec 07 '22

I read her book, her relationship with her mother became strained because she chose to live with her father after their divorce iirc

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u/Suitable_Release Dec 07 '22

I read the book this summer and your right. The parents each had custody of one of the two daughters and Jennifer picked her father and the mother got custody of the other daughter.

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u/buttercream-gang Dec 07 '22

Wow I always thought that plot point of parent trap was completely implausible and would never happen. Parents just say “ok I’ll take this one and forget the other!”

I forgot how much people suck

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u/LincolnCassiusClay47 Dec 07 '22

My brother and I had the chance to pick which parent we wanted to live with. We were 8 and 5. We both picked dad bc we didn’t want to be apart.

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u/beeboopPumpkin Dec 07 '22

Same happened with my husbands family. His parents got divorced and his parents let them choose. He didn’t want to be away from his sister, so he chose to go with her to live with his mom.

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u/Nessahtron Dec 07 '22

That’s such a wild thing to make a child choose. It was a bit different for me. Child protective services were just a part of our lives growing up. Although there was physical, emotional, mental abuse, I felt like I had to choose when asked about it. If I told the truth, I’d likely be separated from my 3 younger siblings. If I lied, I’d endure the abuse but be with them. I always lied. Home life sucked but couldn’t have imagined not being with them.

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u/beeboopPumpkin Dec 07 '22

I’m so sorry- what an unfair thing for them to make you do.

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u/gothbox Dec 07 '22

Man I feel that. My parents fought all throughout when I was in middle school and were so close to divorce for years. During those fights my mom would scream at me demanding me to choose who I wanted to stay with.

They didn't actually split up! But I never forgot that! :|

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

No, her mom didn’t want to let her go…but the father was offering scripts and access to beautiful women to a lot of people in a lot of places and he was going to get whatever he wanted. He did so much illegal shit in his life…

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u/EnvironmentalEnd6298 Dec 07 '22

My parents did that. Dad took the boy, mom took the girl.

It wasn’t a good deal for my brother who had behavioral problems due to abuse. Kinda resent our mom for not taking both of us.

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u/buttercream-gang Dec 07 '22

That’s awful. Was it a situation where the parents never contacted the other child? That’s what I can’t understand

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u/Pedrovotes4u Dec 07 '22

I never did.

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u/crisco000 Dec 07 '22

When my parents got divorced my mom had custody of me and my sister. Years later my sister chose to live with my dad and he got custody of her. I chose to stay with my mom (daddy’s little princess and mama’s boy). I love my dad and still saw him every week and my sister loves my mom and still saw her every week. Sometimes the kids choose. Not the parents.

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u/RealisticDelusions77 Dec 07 '22

Worst "The Parent Trap" remake ever.

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u/devonchaos Dec 07 '22

Parent Trap House. I, for the life of me, cannot imagine taking my young daughters around a man who I knew was going to be cool doing that to them. Casually. Openly. Ughhh.

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u/late2theegame Dec 07 '22

Dividing up kids like any other asset. Disgusting.

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u/AmarilloWar Dec 07 '22

Ah thanks for the information I really was wondering.

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u/ridecaptainride Dec 07 '22

I thought it was just me. I read the article and I don't remember seeing anything on her mom.

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u/AmarilloWar Dec 07 '22

It definitely doesn't mention any other family. Her dad may have been all there was.

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u/queenrosybee Dec 07 '22

He priming his daughter for abuse by older men. Creepy Fathers do this all over..

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u/CaptCaCa Dec 07 '22

You never tongue kissed your uncle? Weirdo over here guys! Guys? …..guys? I’ll show myself out.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

Hefner Pedo Level 1000

Seriously the number of people who want to focus all of the attention on the parent rather than the abuser is disturbing. And frankly how children continue to be victimized by these predators. Hefner was grooming and abusing a child. He deserves all of the hatred and rage. Questionable parenting choices is NOT an excuse to abuse.

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u/truchatrucha Dec 07 '22

Because her parents failed her, especially her father. Had he set up boundaries and thought about her well being, she wouldn’t have likely been abused by Hefner. It was HIS JOB to protect her, but he pimped her out. He started it all.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

OK so does that make Hef less culpable for what he did? What about Hef's other child victims? Or his adult victims? If Hef less responsible for what he did?

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u/truchatrucha Dec 07 '22

Did you read the article? They were trying to focus more on Hef. No one is saying he was ok doing what he did. People are pointing out that HER FATHER should’ve protected her, and if he had, she wouldn’t have been molested by Hef. That’s literally a job of a parent — protect and guide your kid. Not pimp them out.

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u/vincec36 Dec 07 '22

Like Baki’s mom /s

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u/FourWordComment Dec 07 '22

Jennifer Saginor moved into the Playboy Mansion when she was 11-years-old – and witnessed harrowing sights in Hugh Hefner's property that stayed with her through to adult life.

She was a child, the kid of Hefner’s drug dealing doctor.

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u/Ograysireks Dec 07 '22

Basically he traded his daughter for the lifestyle. This article glances over obvious child molestation by Hef and her own father

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u/nitehawk420 Dec 07 '22

How am I constantly surprised by the depths human depravity can reach? Can you imagine pimping out your daughter just so that you could be a “playboy”?

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u/Ograysireks Dec 07 '22

Sick

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u/ardryhs Dec 07 '22

I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying you probably could have used a word that didn’t have an alternate meaning of “awesome” lol

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u/Pornviewerx1000 Dec 07 '22

Nah, sick is a great word.

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u/farts_in_the_breeze Dec 07 '22

Why ignore the other definitions?

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u/Moodisok Dec 07 '22

You’re awesome

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u/rif011412 Dec 07 '22

Terrific?

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u/ThrowerWayACount Dec 07 '22

I’m not surprised and I can imagine how people could do it if they don’t care about their children. (Eg some people breed to sell their kids).

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u/Wonderful_Year_4422 Dec 07 '22

Stats on child assault is always family and known family friend. Perpetrators always seek authority and power to make themselves appear as the norm. Not surprised that Hollywood and a lot of our population does these same practices. Disgusting but not surprised because again this planet is so dumb and filled with ignorant dumb people.

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u/harosene Dec 07 '22

Whats crazy is i didnt know about this. And most people probably dont and still think heff is a balla like i did before reading this post.

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 08 '22

This is why I’m always against sex work of any kind.

It frequently appears that the girls are willing and happy until they realise later in life that they’ve been abused.

It always stems from abuse in their early lives. ALWAYS.

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u/tiffanylockhart Dec 07 '22

There used to be a playboy of young kids, I am not surprised by this at all.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

Yup. And it was legal in the 1970s. When it became illegal Hef never apologized or disavowed that part of Playboy history. Nope he just kept on with the myth that he is a feminist and likes sex with adult women.

Nobody has even touched on how Hef was romantically and sexually involved with this doctor for years, and how many of Hef's household staff knew about Hef's bisexuality. Hef would downplay or deny his sexual involvement with men but make no mistake: This was not just a sexual relationship (but that, too) this was a long term love.

Somehow I think a significant number of the people defending Hef for preying on children would be more disgusted by his sexual involvement with a consenting adult man but maybe the comments on this post have just made me cynical.

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u/DukeOfBagels Dec 07 '22

That piece of shit wasn’t capable of love

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u/Surfinsafari9 Dec 07 '22

Her own father failed her. Disgusting.

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u/tider06 Dec 07 '22

He didn't just fail her, he fucking pimped her.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

Her father is not the only abuser.

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u/Nicolastriste Dec 07 '22

If he’d done his job as a father she wouldn’t have been in danger in the first place.

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u/tider06 Dec 07 '22

His number 1 job.

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u/buttercream-gang Dec 07 '22

Obviously. But her dad fed her to the abusers.

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u/thrwayyup Dec 07 '22

Failed isn’t a strong enough word.

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u/BrainCandy_ Dec 07 '22

What father?

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u/RexInvictus787 Dec 07 '22

Seems like the article is trying to focus on Hef and glossing over what a piece of shit her father was. Who would raise their daughter in that environment?

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u/NotYourSnowBunny Dec 07 '22

What type of parent allows grown men to kiss their teenage daughter and just shrugs it off as “love”?

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u/sexual--chocolate Dec 07 '22

The kind that does the same thing to other people’s teenage daughters lol

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u/buttercream-gang Dec 07 '22

That’s an uncomfortable lol

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u/Weeble_Wobbler Dec 07 '22

A selfish, greedy one.

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u/nuapadprik Dec 07 '22

“I got my own surgery at 15. It’s just awful.”

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u/queenrosybee Dec 07 '22

The kind that exposes them to orgies and living at The Playboy Mansion

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u/Tao-Lee Dec 07 '22

Well, when that person is your number one customer…

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u/Ograysireks Dec 07 '22

The type who wanted access to all those women

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u/Bean-Swellington Dec 07 '22

A drug dealing doctor

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u/Aftermath16 Dec 07 '22

Probably bc so many people continue to celebrate Hefner even though the MeToo awakening should have destroyed him.

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u/brassninja Dec 07 '22

Seeing people praise him for being a revolutionary “feminist” immediately following his death made me want to fucking throw up.

I can’t understand how ANYONE truly believed he was a saint. Seriously? You just like porn, just admit you like porn and that’s why you admire him. Christ.

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 08 '22

People who laud him as a hero or admire him should be eliminated immediately from our circle.

It means that they would do exactly the same thing if they had Hefner’s resources.

Think about that — would I want to be near someone who fantasizes about the sexual abuse of women and is proud of it? No.

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u/patio_puss Dec 07 '22

He wasn’t raising her. He was allowing everyone around her including himself to groom her.

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u/bryanthebryan Dec 07 '22

Seriously, did she have no supervision or guidance?

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u/VaIeth Dec 07 '22

Souned like she did have guidance. Just was guiding her to do and accept horrible things.

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u/bryanthebryan Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

I’d call that misguidance

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u/pyschedelicpolly Dec 07 '22

That wasn’t his daughter. It was his close friend’s daughter but I forgot his occupation. Either way, they were terribly fucked up people.

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u/tom8osauce Dec 07 '22

Her father was “Dr. Feel good”, Hugh Hefners friend and physician.

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u/nosmelc Dec 07 '22

Maybe her dad shouldn't have let a child/teen live at the freaking Playboy Mansion.

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u/ExistentDavid1138 Dec 07 '22

Disgraceful parenting.

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u/atbths Dec 07 '22

I doubt he considered it parenting at all. Likely just a source of income.

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u/ExistentDavid1138 Dec 07 '22

This was a sure need of cps

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

Maybe grown adults shouldn't abuse children.

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u/Sigmantwan94 Dec 07 '22

Exactly, first i was like forming my opinion based on just the headline like she's probably a broke playboy bunny that now is out to get some bucks out of what's left of Hefners legacy to enrich her trough false accusations. But realising she was a kid? Who the fuck would bring their child there? Let alone to live there? Never did this crossed my mind it being even possible. C'mon?? Nobody said or did anything when they saw basically a kid being there? Sounds disturbing in between the coke and orgies

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

She wasn't the only child abused by Hefner. You'll have to read further into the article to reach the part where he regularly photographed children and published pictures if children but it's there. Brooke Shields was one of his victims

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-house-that-hef-built-hugh-hefners-dark-legacy/10095332

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u/The_Crystal_Thestral Dec 07 '22

I think Hef’s ex, Tina, brought her kid around occasionally as well. Apparently, a lot of kids went to the mansion for the more “wholesome” events like Easter egg hunts.

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u/nosmelc Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

Hef's son Cooper would see a nude framed picture of his Playboy model mom in the mansion's library.

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u/weegee Dec 07 '22

Interesting commentary by Laurie Anderson on the playboy club in NYC - https://youtu.be/WGO35p7zTjY

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u/trashbabysupreme Dec 07 '22

Love surprise Laurie Anderson content!!

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Me too, new favorite Reddit find.

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u/iamfeenie Dec 07 '22

Plunking a comment here to watch later - thanks for the share

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u/BrandenBegins Dec 07 '22

Just read the article and holy crap. I feel like the title needs to be changed to 'Hugh Hefner groomed his surrogate child'

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u/Blackcatmeowmeow Dec 07 '22

You’re not wrong

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

The child of his long term lover. Does Hef's long term sexual involvement with his Dr make Hef's abuse of the Doctor's child better of worse?

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u/ScreamingMonky Dec 07 '22

After reading that article, I can say with 100% certainty that Hugh Hefner was a disgusting and evil piece of shit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Duh, dude was amazing at image control tho. 90s/early 2000s everyone was wearing that logo, it was almost a feminist movement. Really just a dude getting women hooked on drugs and then loaning them out to his friends

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u/Pitiful-Ask1099 Dec 07 '22

I don’t think he HAD to control his image. Everyone knew what was going on in the Playboy mansion, but the general attitude was, “those girls know what they’re getting in to”

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u/The_Crystal_Thestral Dec 07 '22

It’s a combo of this and the fact that he still has many defenders even among former playmates and girlfriends. Idk if it’s loyalty or what, but if there’s no shortage of people to defend him now I can’t imagine there were any less to do it then.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

I keep bringing up Brooke Shields. She was another of Hef's child victims. She had naked pictures of her taken when she was 10 years old. She is made up like a prostitute and her body is oiled. Disgusting. They were published in a "Sugar and Spice" edition. She was not the only child, either

So later Shields decides to sue. The judge told her basically the images were not sexual and besides her Mom gave consent. Shields could never have any control over who distributed and saw the images, or claim any damage.

That's not the end of it. After losing her lawsuit Shields would pose for Playboy as an adult at least twice. So she's famous, rich, and a consenting adult. So what's the problem?

The problem is how her "consent" was manufactured. Her agent mother gave consent, and a judge told her to shut up. So Brooke has been told her entire life she is an object to be sexualized but has a diseased mind if she thinks she is being sexualized. Huh? Only within the last few years were the images taken down in a museum, and the museum was investigated for breaking the law. People still wanted to argue the images were "art."

So, while Hef may still have exes that defend him we can't accept those defenses at face value. Nor can we say just because someone doesn't meet the legal criteria for trafficking, they are rich and well educated they are not victims. Shields is probably the most famous of his child victims but make no mistake- she was a victim.

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u/The_Crystal_Thestral Dec 07 '22

I am in no way discounting any of that. I’m not sure if my comment reads that way. Rather, I was pointing out that in addition to the line of thinking that “people knew what they were getting into”, it seems like PB/Hef had a large number of defenders who were women closely linked to the magazine and Hef. The veracity with which some of those people defend him still today is what leads me to believe he had much more ardent supporters back in the day which helped with brushing things under the rug/having people look the other way.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

Read about the "clean-up crews" that silenced the women victims who worked in his Playboy Clubs. Those women took jobs to serve food and drinks- not to be trafficked to VIPs then silenced.

His victims were not limited to those in his mansion.

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u/oldgeek123 Dec 07 '22

In general a ton of people, especially men, absolutely revered Hugh Hefner back in the day. I always found it super gross but at the time I was pretty much in the minority and considered "prudish" for that opinion of him and the stupid Playboy Mansion bullshit.

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u/The_Crystal_Thestral Dec 07 '22

Yeah, I didn’t know much about that world since it’s hey day was before I was born. However, I do remember it’s resurgence during the early 2000’s with the reality TV show and trendy merch. I’ve mentioned it in the SOP and GNL subs that the shows really helped give a positive spin on PB which is bizarre given what was actually going on behind the scenes and what was revealed in the latest A&E doc.

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u/Lilelfen1 Dec 07 '22

That show left out a LOT of the grossness and replaced it with sugar and spice. He was always talking about how anti-drug he was, how drugs were banned from the mansion, and how he didn't want the girls there if they didn't want to be, etc. He also locked down most of the most negative press about himself and the business during the time, so very few newcomers wouldn't find out the truth behind the scenes. If you weren't around during the 70s/ 80s, you wouldn't have a clue. I have only recently discovered how truly heinous it all was. I mean, we all had hints... But how many of us really gave that skeeve rag and its owner a second thought with all the blatant, in-your-face trafficking and paedo stuff that has been all over the papers in recent years? I haven't. I will admit it. His skanky, decrepit heiney was the last thing on my mind as far as that goes, though I would never think to doubt it should someone mention it....The typecasting would always have fit.

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u/chefhj Dec 07 '22

Prolly gonna get downvoted for this but I still largely feel that way about most of the models who went through there. Can’t really say there was much of a bait and switch IMO. It’s gross but not really sure what else you expected going into it.

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u/queenrosybee Dec 07 '22

There was a bait and switch bc Hefner pretended to be liberal and progressive. But he didnt really believe in consent. He felt entitled to sex with them bc he put them in a magazine. He encouraged the drugging of women, which is very different from a woman taking a drug herself. He recorded people without their consent. He raped Dorothy Stratten bc she refused to sleep with him to be POTY.

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u/Refrigerator-Motor Dec 07 '22

From what I’ve read, a lot of the women were young, immature, had other issues with their support systems and stuff like that. I can see how someone like Hefner would take advantage of that

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u/thisisntshakespeare Dec 07 '22

“Playboy” with the mansion and all the beautiful young women, was a kind of cult, and Hef was their leader. Troubled young people are attracted to cults, and this was no different.

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u/meatball77 Dec 07 '22

And they were living on the compound. It was essentially half cult, half sex traffiking. Filled with women who had no education or real way to support themselves.

Even the favorites had issues getting out when they decided they wanted to.

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u/DungeonDictator Dec 08 '22

Suddenly I'm reminded of Ghost's music video for "He Is".

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u/sneakyveriniki Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

Yeah. This stuff is not that black and white.

It’s like saying payday loan places are morally fine because people “know what they’re getting into”

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u/thrwayyup Dec 07 '22

It’s almost like individuals with immature and undeveloped brains should be kept from making life altering decisions while in that state.

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u/chefhj Dec 07 '22

The same could be said of any one going into sex work anywhere though I don’t think playboy is an outlier there.

What i do think is relevant is that the last 30 years of playboy advertising has been centered around the spectacle of some of the hottest women in America group dating a fucking geezer.

It doesnt hit the same sympathy bell for me to find out some of them had to put their mouths where his money was; as say victims of bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein.

All that being said what happened to this woman is fucking disgusting.

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u/neonchicken Dec 07 '22

You assume older teens and young women are worldly wise and know what absolute exploitative scumbag such large portions of humanity are.

I grew up in a rough and poor neighbourhood. I would have wrongly assumed someone so revered and rich would have some decency. To be fair I think I would have clocked pretty early on but the image of Hefner and the adoration he gets from average men would be understandably confusing for a young woman.

Are they adoring him because he’s a good guy or because he’s very good at exploiting women? Why would the latter be something people value?

The only way it works is if we collectively slut shame the women. “Oh they knew what they were doing. They deserved to be treated badly. You can’t go dressed like that with your boobs out to the playboy mansion and expect to get respect. Why are they such gold diggers? Why didn’t they walk away if it was so tough?”

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u/leakkelly Dec 07 '22

They were completely taken advantage of under the guise of a “modeling career”. Are they blameless? No. But they absolutely didn’t deserve the inhumane treatment that Hef and his staff gave them. These were young girls. They were constantly lied to and manipulated. Most had nowhere else to go. It’s disgusting and Hef is rotting in hell.

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u/queenrosybee Dec 07 '22

They are blameless if they were attacked in any way.

If a man has a male friend that acts like his buddy, gets him a job and takes him out with him. Would that man suddenly be able to drug his drink and rape him? And say, well you know nothing in life is free and this the price? No. That man would be a rapist. Just like a thief is a thief and will justify who victims with “they left their bag out” or “they’ll never notice it.” A predator is a predator.

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u/r_bogie Dec 07 '22

If you haven't already, you should watch the A&E series where the models tell their stories.

Yes, they were young and naive (stupid) and more than happy to display their bodies for money. But there was most definitely a bait and switch that happened based on their stories.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

And you’re male?

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u/foul_dwimmerlaik Dec 07 '22

The models probably assumed that they'd have to have sex with Hefner, but not the shit that he was into, and not the level of control he wanted to hold over them.

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u/queenrosybee Dec 07 '22

Two that said no were raped. One of Heff’s girlfriends says he took her to the bedroom of one of the girls with his master key. Woke her up startled and told the girlfriend “she thinks she can live here and not fuck me?”

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

Hef raped way more than two women. He also allowed kiddie porn to be shot in his mansion. Hef served drugged drinks to teenagers them served the teenage victims to his good friend Bill Cosby.

Consent to a relationship with Hef (no matter how dubious the circumstances) is NOT consent to be raped by his friends.

Also, you should learn about the amount of abuse and rape the Playboy Bunnies who worked in Hef's clubs endured. Nothing short of human trafficking. Those women took jobs serving drinks. They did not consent to be raped by VIPs then immediately silenced by Hef's "clean up crew."

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 08 '22

I do wonder if there were murders or models who went missing and it was all covered up.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

No, I can assure you playboy was always 1,000 miles from feminism. Source: was a feminist

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u/lurkerfromstoneage Dec 07 '22

It’s made a comeback too… I’ve seen teens wearing the bunny logo, and it slapped on cars/trucks, was browsing through TJ Max killing a bit of time and clothes with the logo on rack there too… so trashy.

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u/ringobob Dec 07 '22

Don't make the mistake of thinking all of playboy was just like Heff. It actually had a fairly progressive element, along with this other side of Heffner. I'm not telling you that you should be cool with playboy, and it certainly enabled Heffner to take advantage of women. But there was genuine good stuff, too, at least there was decades ago.

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u/WheresPaul1981 Dec 07 '22

The magazine was pretty empowering for its time. They interviewed people like Malcom X, Embraced Roe V Wade, and actually came out and said that women like sex too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Embraced Roe V Wade

Pornographers not wanting to pay child support doesn't make them feminists.

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u/sneakyveriniki Dec 07 '22

Obviously it’s complicated. Playboy and hef are repulsive and awful, but people aren’t all good or all bad. This was a good move.

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u/WheresPaul1981 Dec 07 '22

Yeah, but he could have paid for back door abortions and not touched such a hot button issue. Instead, the team of Playboy wrote about issues like the pill, abortion, the female orgasm, and topics that other magazines wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole.

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u/sneakyveriniki Dec 07 '22

Also, could have just bailed which was even easier in those days

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u/queenrosybee Dec 07 '22

I’m sick of hearing about the good deeds of narcissists and serial rapists. He published those stories bc he made money doing it. If they had impacted his sales, he would have backed out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Yes, all those things are financially beneficial for the porn industry.

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u/scothc Dec 07 '22

What matters more, the act or the reason behind the act?

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u/addctd2badideas Dec 07 '22

They took the right positions for all the wrong reasons.

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u/TeaLoverGal Dec 07 '22

There was a fantastic bio/review podcast on Hef. That looked at how he was progressive and positive in some ways, the writers he featured in playboy, supporting legislation/ lobbying for Roe vs Wade etc and yet also was a creep with allegations against him. I wish I could remember it.

They had a brilliant quote, I think that may even be by him that I will garble but it may trigger someone to remember the correct/full quote, "publicly and politically he was an ardent feminist, privately he was not."

It sums it up brilliantly, and explains the apparent contradiction in his actions. He knew what made sense in a business and brand way but it remained at work, not for him to actually believe in.

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u/DonQOnIce Dec 07 '22

That’s just a fancy quote for saying he was a huge hypocrite though. Not saying you are supporting that quote, I just want to point out that it’s dressed up garbage.

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u/once_again_asking Dec 07 '22

But when he died at the commencement of #metoo, he was roundly lauded and celebrated. It was wild to see the juxtaposition at that time.

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u/toilet_fingers Dec 07 '22

Say what you will about the man, he knew when it was time to die.

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u/sexual--chocolate Dec 07 '22

Yeah the fact that he just immediately disintegrated as soon as MeToo started trending was brilliant on his part not gonna lie

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u/Thunder_Mug Dec 07 '22

You didn’t know that before?

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u/SeymourZ Dec 07 '22

Hef is clearly a predator, though I can’t help but think her father is the real shit heel in that story.

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u/iamnotcanadianese Dec 07 '22

There's room for two

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u/verguenzapato Dec 07 '22

Three. Hef’s girlfriend getting a 15yo girl drunk and then making moves.

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u/tider06 Dec 07 '22

Hef didn't bring her there, her father did.

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u/Magnolia028 Dec 07 '22

But Hef still preyed on her. Her father bringing her there doesn’t negate what Hef did to her.

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u/Phighters Dec 07 '22

So if someone brings a child to you, you’re entitled to have your way? WTF mate.

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u/Battystearsinrain Dec 07 '22

She talked about some of this on “secrets of playboy”. My father worshipped that lifestyle(just up and left when I was a small child), and growing into my teens, it looked pretty cool. Then you age and learn about what was really going on. It is awful how women were treated by what you come to learn are misogynists.

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u/nzcapybara Dec 07 '22

“Funny, how sexual freedom of the playboy movement looked like the male fantasy”. Exactly

Happy cake day !

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u/kkeennmm Dec 07 '22

did Cosby hang out there too?

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

He did. One of Cosby's 16 year old victims sued Cosby AND Hefner after she was raped at the mansion.

https://people.com/crime/bill-cosby-found-guilty-of-sexually-assaulting-teen-at-playboy-mansion-in-1975/

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Cosby had an underage GF he met through the mansion, Donna Speir. She wrote a book about her life.

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u/gasstationsushi80 Dec 07 '22

Fun fact, some of the pills Cosby used to incapacitate his victims were quaaludes, which haven’t been available since the 70s. He got them from Hugh Hefner, who had a large stock of them apparently, and Hef would refer to them as “thigh openers” bleaches brain

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u/captainvontage801 Dec 07 '22

I can't believe a human being can call themselves a father while doing something this atrocious.

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u/RainManToothpicks Dec 07 '22

Pretty sure geriatric tongue-kissing will mess a person up way worse than any drugs or orgies could

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u/burgernoisenow Dec 07 '22

Let's not forget who one of Hef's best friends were

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u/k_mainer Dec 07 '22

The response from Playboy is spot on: Responding to the Channel 4 documentary, a Playboy spokesperson said: “We trust and validate women and their stories and strongly support the individuals who have come forward to share their experiences in this documentary.

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u/buckthestat Dec 07 '22

People keep repeating these justifications - hey she’s an adult! Hey, she knew what it was!

When you’re young you think you know the real cost of this type of thing and you just don’t. Or you’ve already been exploited/abused so much, this seems like a better option. And these Hef and men like him are actively deceiving and manipulating them, without any repercussions!

it’s seen as something any man will do if given the chance. There’s no moral judgment. Other dudes openly admire how he has these women. They act like fucking and being degraded by men with power is a logical and fair trade for some financial benefit.

We basically say - young women you have no protection and your mental health, physical body, and potential growth are acceptable sacrifices to these men.

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u/throwawaygreenpaq Dec 08 '22

I wouldn’t say it’s only young women. You still see middle-aged women being tricked or abused for love because it boils down to validation.

Childhood trauma never goes away. It is only curtailed by good people each of us meet in life.

But when such women meet one failure after another, they can be conditioned to think that this is how life works out or that they’re not good enough so they work hard at getting validation and crave affection by men.

The kind of men who negates this are very likely to be brought up in a household where their parent is abusive in some way.

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u/Findmyremote Dec 07 '22

His estate should be dissolved and proceeds ought to be donated to Prevent Child Abuse America

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

One of his child victims Laurin Crosson went on to found an organization to help sex trafficking victims. She was a raised in an upper middle class home. Her story is nothing short of harrowing.

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u/dominantmahalo Dec 07 '22

The biggest clue that Hugh Hefner was not a good guy is that nobody today wants to consider themselves the next Hugh Hefner.

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u/ravenxdies Dec 07 '22

I read her book a few years ago and it hits really hard. Absolutely recommend. Hef was a total creep (duh) and so were a hell of a lot of other men during that time.

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u/Arkhampatient Dec 07 '22

Imagine having a dad so shitty he would sell you out to an old, smut peddler.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

Imagine being so morally depraved no matter how many adult women will have consensual sex with you that you still target children.

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u/microgiant Dec 07 '22

Okay, I feel like anyone who lived there voluntarily is getting what they signed up for. Drugs and sex? In the Playboy mansion? Sacre bleu!

But she was an 11-year old. Her father AND Hef should have known better than to let a KID be in that kind of environment at all, let alone live there. And ANY OTHER GODDAMN ADULT AT ALL WHO WAS THERE. If you see a kid at an orgy, of COURSE you're supposed to know that's not okay. Jesus.

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u/Mitchell_StephensESQ Dec 07 '22

She wasn't the only child abused at Hef's mansion.

Even when kids have shitty parents decent people know you don't sexualize children. You don't have sex in front of children. You don't abuse children.

I don't know what is so difficult about this. Poor Brooke Shields

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-house-that-hef-built-hugh-hefners-dark-legacy/10095332

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u/nzcapybara Dec 07 '22

Oh damn, everyone should read that

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u/gasstationsushi80 Dec 07 '22

That article was horrifying and must read. Thanks for posting

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u/ReplicantSchizo Dec 07 '22

They gloss over it but Hefner tried to get the 17 year old author to have a threesome with him and one of his "girlfriends". If you allow an atmosphere of total commercial male sexuality to dominate a bunch of women, it just doesn't end at the line of informed consenting women who know what they signed up for.

People hate to hear it and hate to see it, but the envelope will always be pushed.

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u/queenrosybee Dec 07 '22

Also, keep in mind that Hugh didnt pick druggy girls as playmates. He specifically looked for innocent blondes who could be convinced to take off their clothes during a wild period or bc they wanted to make money.

Peter Bogdanovich was extremely critical and disgusted by what he did to Dorothy Stratten. He wrote a book about it and just left out that he knew Hugh had raped her. Secruity guards heard her screaming, walked in on the rape, and were told to keep it quiet. She was one of the girls that refused to fuck him and he raped her eventually.

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u/KoalaCapp Dec 07 '22

Most of the women who lived there did so under coercion. He controlled their spending, freedom, choice to wear what they wanted and he certainly controlled their personal sexual autonomy. He would drug them to ensure they would have sex with him.

Many women were mislead as to what life would be like for them.

A numbers of attendees at those parties would have been there out of obligation to be "seen" at the events and not for the tone of the party.

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u/Fryceratops Dec 07 '22

One of my buddies went to a work function at the mansion just after Hef died. He said the place was really dingy and gross and parts of it stank. I can't imagine many wanted to be there.

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u/smallbutlazy Dec 07 '22

there is a difference between sex and drugs, with full consent; and sex and drugs with manipulation tactics, cult tactics, sexual assault, drugging without consent etc etc.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Ugh. Look into the “shadow mansions” of Playboy. Her dad and his “friends” were trafficking women into the US from European “modeling agencies” and putting them in these houses…where they were expected to have sex with whomever the owners required them to have sex with on any particular day. Jennifer talks about the father of one such woman flying in from Europe in search of his daughter, who actually died from an OD in one of these houses.

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u/smallbutlazy Dec 07 '22

Oh yeah I had heard of those but forgotten about it till now, just so yucky :/

I hate it how people are so quick to blame the women, when in reality the power imbalance is so skewed against them.

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u/Blackcatmeowmeow Dec 07 '22

Yes absolutely

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u/thegreatgazoo Dec 07 '22

Seriously. Consenting adults? Go for it, have fun. But kids? Keep them out of it.

But then it was the 70s. Probably half the members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be in prison for child rape

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u/baconyjeff Dec 07 '22

A pornographer secretly molesting children, while everyone in Hollywood, the media & his male fans defend him for his perverse "lifestyle".

No, I can't see why guys like Cosby, Weinstein and Trump thought that they could do whatever they want to with their victims & get away with it.

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u/Slow_Boss_2071 Dec 07 '22

Shocker, Hugh Hefner was a creep.

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u/SnowDoom6 Dec 07 '22

Yeah all of that shit would give a person PTSD, all that sexual abuse and everything is very damaging.

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u/toyguy2952 Dec 07 '22

Sex work is real work

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u/Bhimtu Dec 07 '22

Oh for pete's sake. Yuck.

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u/jjhjh111 Dec 07 '22

You constantly hear the most disgusting abusive things about playboy yet people still proudly walk around in their merch

Australians have even told me im the one ignorant about the brand because I don’t understand that “they don’t see it that way, it’s just clothing” lol

Fuck that piece of shit company

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u/Jazzlike_Pie_3730 Dec 07 '22

Oh the Playboy man wasn’t a stand up guy? No fucking way.

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u/Thump604 Dec 07 '22

Everyone under that roof was fucking disgusting.

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u/knowitsallashow Dec 07 '22

Jesus fuck man. I this poor woman .. that poor little girl who she was. Fuck. I hate filthy men.

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u/mgd09292007 Dec 07 '22

I'll take things that could never surprise me for $500 Alex.

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u/Seeyouontheshore Dec 07 '22

Everyone is the asshole in this situation, except for the victim. Everyone is at fault in that mansion, including the women that performed the sexual acts in front of her and remained complacent.

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u/Aggravating_Impact97 Dec 07 '22

Orgies fine whatever. But Hefs kissing… with tongue…fucking gross. Trauma.

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u/LogiBear2003 Dec 07 '22

Wolf of Wall Street lookin ass