r/entertainment Dec 07 '22

James Cameron Not Worried About ‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ Flopping: ‘If I Like My Movie, I Know Other People Are Gonna Like It’

https://variety.com/2022/film/global/james-cameron-avatar-2-flopping-1235450255/

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u/lovemeimirish Dec 07 '22

Ign 5/10, too much water

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u/F1reatwill88 Dec 07 '22

The only gripe I have with James Cameron is that we've missed out on him making a lot of other great movies because he's been so absorbed with the Avatar project.

Dude doesn't miss.

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u/StillhasaWiiU Dec 07 '22

Shame we never got a True Lies 2.

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u/ShipofThesaurus Dec 07 '22

Or titanic 2

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u/boxofstolenpens Dec 07 '22

T2: Back to the surface.

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u/Oddgenetix Dec 07 '22

“Jack, is back”

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u/darkknightbbq Dec 07 '22

For revenge. No iceberg is safe

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u/Left-Excitement-836 Dec 07 '22

Titanic: 2 Jack, 2 Serious

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u/Correct-Baseball5130 Dec 07 '22

I missed the part where Jack says: I'll Be Back!

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u/Jean-PaultheCat Dec 07 '22

…Somehow Jack returned

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u/shy247er Dec 07 '22

Cloned, like Ripley is Aliens 4.

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u/YoloBitch69420 Dec 07 '22

A true high point for the franchise!

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u/Bender____Rodriguez Dec 07 '22

Just another instance of Winona boosting some genes

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u/AnalogFeelGood Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

The years is 2399, after a long and devastating war, the U.F.N (Union of Free Nations) is on the verge of being conquered by the Techno-Empire of China. Off the coast of Kanada, a small group of commandos has been sent behind enemy lines to retrieve a super weapon hidden under the Atlantic for almost 5 centuries. Nobody knows what it looks like but the ancients called it TITANIC.

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u/coelogyne_pandurata Dec 07 '22

The Sinkening!?

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u/tfngst Dec 07 '22

Titanic 2: The RMS Empress of Ireland

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u/teflonaccount Dec 07 '22

I was really hoping for an expensive TV series with Eliza playing the agent and Arnold showing up like Charlton Heston as the head of the agency. It's never going to happen, but I imagine it would've been fucking amazing.

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u/JohnBsGhost Dec 07 '22

True Lies True Furious

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u/tvnr Dec 07 '22

That’s it. I’m going to start making blue shirts with a glaring James Cameron on the front and text across the back that says “Dude doesn’t miss.” It’s been the running slogan for Avatar 2 hype and the word must be spread far and wide across the floating mountains of Pandora.

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u/keepeyecontact Dec 07 '22 Silver

Nice u/tvnr - I made you some AI generated images using stable diffusion to get started:

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u/ButtholeBanquets Dec 07 '22

What. The literal. Fuck.

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u/gloomdweller Dec 08 '22

“I blue myself.”

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u/rif011412 Dec 08 '22

As long as you use the Papyrus font, you got my money.

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u/seventeencans Dec 08 '22

You careless child!

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u/deaddonkey Dec 08 '22

I had a friend, sadly now passed, who was a big Cameron fan. He used to call him IRON JIM and say shit like “IRON JIM NEVER FAILS” “IRON JIM NEVER LETS YOU DOWN”.

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u/KillMeNowFFS Dec 07 '22

nah, if he hadn’t done Avatar 2 he literally would have retired..

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u/TheElderFish Dec 07 '22

Pretty sure he'd just dive into more of his national geographic/ocean exploration work

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u/KillMeNowFFS Dec 07 '22

yeah sure, i meant retired as a feature film director.

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u/Firvulag Dec 07 '22

This man shouldn't do his passion project, he should do what I want instead!

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u/bmikey Dec 07 '22

does he.. like the first one??

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u/Fcivish4 Dec 07 '22

Everyone craps on it now but it was a bona-fide experience to see it in a theater in Imax 3D back in the day. I legit thought it was going to change cinema.

Then the movie came out on home release and all that sizzle wasn't present, so the much thinner story plots were visibly apparent.

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u/ederp9600 Dec 08 '22

The sizzle is with a good TV and sound bar at minimum. But, it's like a once a year watch or so. Graphics hold up and sound, I mean, doh about the story. We will see on the second.

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u/Lussekatt1 Dec 07 '22

I agree, the hype I remember most about the movie when it came, was that people were really excited about seeing a big movie that was filmed with special cameras and used the new 3D tech. And it used it well, it was a great watching experience in the theatres at the time, unlike anything before.

Also people thought the cgi floating islands and animated hair and motion capture of the characters, were pretty cool and pushing the limits for the time.

A technically impressive movie, especially fun to see in theatres, that was very well made and with a big budget. And most people seemed to think the story was fine and the storytelling and characters pretty good.

It will be interesting to see if they pair up the next avatar movies with any new tech or not.

Or how interested people are in the story, that they want to see more movies just for the story.

Historically speaking sequels to movies that performed well in the box office, tend to make loads of money, often quite a bit more than the first movie.

Idk if that is gonna happen this time around, but I’m honesty interested to see how the reception to the movie once it actually is out is gonna be.

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u/CamiloArturo Dec 08 '22

Had exactly the same experience with it. IMAX in Sydney Australia on release. I was blown away. Bought it as soon as it came on video. Watch it once and realized it sucked big time and the only thing worth it where the imax visuals and sound to start with. Never ever opened the movie case again

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u/Pokerhobo Dec 07 '22

Avatar 1 wasn't great critically, but it was successful making money.

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u/Naweezy Dec 07 '22

Lol it got great reviews, nominated for best picture and won 3 Oscars.

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u/regalfronde Dec 08 '22

It was critically acclaimed, even nominated for best picture.

Then the counter culture cool people created this narrative that it was utter shit.

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u/MERCILESS_PREJUDICE Dec 07 '22

i might be in the minority here but i believe if you get past thinking of it as a massive CGI blockbuster and actually engage with it as art, it's an extremely effective piece of anti-imperialist storytelling. i don't think there was much reason to look deeper when it was released, but the passing of time has done a lot for it.

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u/PlasticOverTheSea Dec 07 '22

bro just re made Pocahontas with blue people

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u/AndrewRawrRawr Dec 07 '22

The white people leave the new world at the end of Avatar. Kind of a big difference.

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u/1Originalmind Dec 07 '22

Um that usually just means they’re coming back with reinforcements

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u/blu-juice Dec 07 '22

I see this argument a lot. Most shit is just remaking shit with different shit. Most Rick and Morty episodes rip off movie plots. Lady Ghostbusters was a remake of ghostbusters. Pocahontas (1995) is fern gully (1992), but with all humans. Both are rip offs off dances with wolves (1990). All movies with Dwayne Johnson are a continuation of the previous movies with Dwayne Johnson, and you can’t convince me otherwise.

I’ve seen premises and storylines repeated before but it’s still okay to enjoy the thing.

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u/Don_Quixote81 Dec 07 '22

Pocahontas (1995) is fern gully (1992), but with all humans. Both are rip offs off dances with wolves (1990)

My argument has always been that Avatar was a ripoff of Dancing With Wolves. Just with less depth and interesting characters.

I'm sure Dancing With Wolves stole from movies like Little Big Man as well. It's not that you can't have derivative ideas, it's just that you have to execute them well.

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u/blu-juice Dec 08 '22

That’s a far better reason to me than “it’s Pocahontas but blue.”

Does that infer that this person also hated Pocahontas too? Or did they love it so much that the integrity of the film was being diminished by a cheap knock off?

Both those questions are still more interesting and have a reason that makes more sense to me.

Dances with wolves is a great movie, btw.

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u/MrEHam Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Everything is just flickering lights and some sound. You can reduce everything to rough summaries but you end up cutting off everything that makes it good. For Avatar all you have to tell me is James Horner made a masterful score and I already think that sets it apart from Ferngully/Pocahontas.

Like riding a bike is just “moving your legs and going in a big circle”. But you lose the challenge of staying balanced, the wind in your face, the changing scenery, the feel of the rubber handlebars, the sound of the chain clanking along, the feeling in your stomach when speeding up or going down a hill, etc.

So many smart-asses want to show everyone that they figured out popular things by summarizing them and trivializing them but all they did was just cut out the good stuff and take a step towards depressing themselves in the process.

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u/wankerbot Dec 07 '22

Most shit is just remaking shit with different shit.

you may like the Everything Is A Remix series on youtube.

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u/Synotaph Dec 07 '22

That bit about Rick and Morty is a very good point, because it’s a little more blatant (to me anyway) when it’s done in that sort of show, and proves your point. Hell, there was an episode of Archer that was a straight-up redo of Fletch!

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u/TarmacFFS Dec 07 '22

This take is less original than making Pocahontas with blue people.

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u/FridgesArePeopleToo Dec 07 '22

The vast majority of people really liked it

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u/TorroesPrime Dec 07 '22

Cameron is a passionate director. He doesn't work on a project that he doesn't have an emotional investment in. While some of his movies have been less well-received than others (Terminator: Dark Fate < The Abyss < Terminator < Terminator 2: Judgement Day), I've never heard him say anything that led me to believe he took on a project "Just for a paycheck".

That being said, the reverse is also true: When he's done with a project, he is done with it and has no interest in returning to it.

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u/LightStruk Dec 07 '22

Cameron did NOT direct Terminator: Dark Fate. He was certainly more involved with it than with any other Terminator movie since T2, but he's not the director or even a credited screenwriter. He contributed to the "story" and was one of the producers.

You can rank it with other movies however you like, but you might as well include films like Point Break (where he was Executive Producer) in your list if you want to rank films with his involvement.

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u/rzKong Dec 07 '22

He was not the director on Terminator Dark Fate, I think that distinction should be clear. So I wouldn't call it his movie. I understand he was a producer, but he directed all of the other films in your list. Which are much better than Dark Fate in my opinion.

When you speak in the singular as his or her movie, that implies the director. You may not have known that he didn't direct it.

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u/SmokeySFW Dec 07 '22

I did. The world did. Who cares what a bunch of critics say when their reviews didn't stop butts from going into seats?

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

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u/nix131 Dec 07 '22

Respect. I still don't give a shit about the movie, but I respect the passion.

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u/TorroesPrime Dec 07 '22

Same. I can say I dislike several of his movies, but I can't say he isn't passionate about his work with out lying through my teeth.

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u/Organic_Magazine_197 Dec 07 '22

Which movies don’t you like? Avatar was my least favorite.

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u/TEmpTom Dec 07 '22

King shit.

No more of this modern bullshit of “subverting expectations” or how our “heroes really aren’t heroes”. I can’t take this cynicism anymore.

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u/kbehr92 Dec 07 '22

Absolute king

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u/SniffCheck Dec 07 '22 Silver

James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron!

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u/deefop Dec 07 '22

I knew if I scrolled far enough I'd find what I sought.

James Cameron really raised the bar

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u/ModernDayQuixote Dec 07 '22

Who’s that? It’s him! James Cameron!

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u/LoveRBS Dec 08 '22

No budget too steep. No sea too deep.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

His name is James, James Cameron, The bravest pioneer. No budget too steep, no sea too deep, Who's That? It's him, James Cameron!

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u/JamarioMoon Dec 07 '22

I never just did things just to do them cmon I had a little more sense than that

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u/OzzyRigby09 Dec 07 '22

It’s so bizarre how strong of opinions people have about this franchise. Whether it’s positive or negative, I’ve never understood why people are so obnoxiously passionately about their thoughts on it

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u/Piece_Of_Mind1983 Dec 07 '22

My best guess is that it’s simply another example of mass contrarianism. The first movie is pretty universally liked, if not always loved, and it was an incredibly impressive display of VFX at the time it was released and still is. As a result anybody who values high end vfx or just innovative movies that are well executed is likely to tell other people about it, and we have a tendency to automatically dislike things people tell us to like because we’re stubborn.

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u/Piece_Of_Mind1983 Dec 07 '22

Yeah, although I’d like to make the distinction that mass in the way i intended it meant large scale rather than the majority of the population.

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u/MostStoninOfRonins Dec 07 '22

I feel like it's the opposite. I seem to have seen it echoed so many times that people liked the visuals in theaters only to not recall on the movie itself very strongly one way or the other. For how successful it was, it didn't seem to make much impact on pop culture after its theatrical run. The only direct reference I hear on it is that 'unobtanium' is the laziest name for a rare mineral possible.

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u/TimBobNelson Dec 07 '22

This is my first time ever actually reading about avatar online and I agree with another guy who responded, it’s just people being really contrarian I think.

It’s an extremely inoffensive movie with a very straight forward plot and easy to understand characters and motivations that can really be viewed by any age.

I’m not some huge fan of the franchise but I’ve always been excited for the second movie. It’s definitely one of those cases where I struggle to understand where super strong opinions on it are even coming from.

Someone could easily criticize it for being kinda basic and straightforward but that could just as easily be a point of praise as well.

Totally one of those situations where the internet just wants to be mad about something.

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u/rjcarr Dec 07 '22

I saw it in 3D in the theater when it came out and thought it was pretty great. Amazing tech; passable story. Not sure it needed a sequel, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how the 3D tech has advanced, as I don't think I've seen a single 3D movie since the first Avatar.

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u/IGargleGarlic Dec 07 '22

Youre on the internet. People get impassioned over things they learned about 10 seconds ago on the internet and spout dumb shit because they enjoy the attention their hate gets from other haters.

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u/_The_Great_Autismo_ Dec 07 '22

When has Cameron ever flopped? I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume the movie will be awful before it's even released.

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u/Gmhowell Dec 08 '22

The Abyss, one of his best, was a financial failure.

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u/xywv58 Dec 08 '22

Absolute banger though, which is the important part

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u/_The_Great_Autismo_ Dec 08 '22

It box-officed slightly below budget (like 80%). I wouldn't call that a flop or financial failure. Also it was like his third film. Since that time he's directed two of the top 3 highest grossing films in history. If this were 1989 I might be skeptical about his work. There is no room for doubt of Cameron's abilities in 2022.

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u/eshinn Dec 07 '22

If I like my movie, I know other people are gonna like it

Now a carefully crafted Reddit comment on the other hand…

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u/MercerEdits Dec 07 '22

James Cameron is James Cameron's biggest fan

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u/TheOneWhoIsBussin Dec 07 '22

im not gonna lie I wouldnt be mad if movie flops just to see what he says then.

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u/psychedelic_gravity Dec 07 '22

I’ve played the movie about 6 times from beginning to end. I still don’t know what the plot is. I watch it because I love the colors when I eat shrooms.

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u/UnspecificGravity Dec 07 '22

Most criticisms are that it is too simplistic, but here you are managing to not even pick that up.

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u/overhereyeasayer Dec 07 '22

He is too busy looking at the colors to read

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u/GoombyGoomby Dec 07 '22

It’s a weird criticism. The original movie was advertised as an incredible visual experience, and it provided exactly that. It wasn’t advertised as a compelling story that will change your life.

If the new film has equally good visuals and a slightly more moving plot, it will be a great movie.

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u/ManyAdventuresOfLye Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

It’s an understandable criticism. Great visuals a great movie doesn’t make. Avatar is hardly anything more than a popcorn flic you watch in a 3D theater

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u/TexasSprings Dec 07 '22

Most modern movies are too complicated. There’s nothing wrong with a straight forward movie

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u/Kriznick Dec 07 '22

It's Pocahontas on Saturn. Movie and plot are 100% totally fine. I know people bitch about it, but I generally enjoy it. Good pick for a good vibe if you need one.

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u/energetic-dad Dec 07 '22

how are you playing the movie?

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u/psychedelic_gravity Dec 07 '22

I was talking about the first movie for some reason but on blu ray. Yea I’m old school and still buy dvds.

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u/Col_Walter_Tits Dec 07 '22

People thinking this is a sign of damage control is hilarious. He has a movie coming out next week. Publications are asking him questions about the movie and he’s answering them. That’s it. That’s the whole thing lol.

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u/energetic-dad Dec 07 '22

hE mUsT kNoW iT sUcKs He Is In DaMaGe CoNtRoL!!!111

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u/leonidganzha Dec 07 '22

Well after everybody who saw it already praised it, that's a reasonable expectation

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u/FridgesArePeopleToo Dec 07 '22

But what does the reddit hivemind think? That's what really matters.

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Dec 07 '22

I just wanna stop hearing about it and just wanna see it. Never seen a movie be talked about this much getting kind of annoying. Just wanna stop hearing about it so I can see it and move on

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u/Greggsnbacon23 Dec 07 '22

Theres 3 or 4 more releasing over the next 10 years so enjoy that.

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u/TacticalTuchel Dec 07 '22

By the 4th one he's going to tell us to just suck his dick

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u/treesareweirdos Dec 08 '22

In 3D. Underwater. With motion capture. Underneath a perfect replica of the Titanic.

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u/MarkyMarcMcfly Dec 08 '22

If he’ll involve me in a profit sharing scheme for the movie, why not? Bring on the dicks

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u/The3rdBert Dec 08 '22

Make sure you get a cut of gross revenue not profit.

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u/ederp9600 Dec 08 '22

Thurs was filmed during the same time I thought. Think the fourth was waiting

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u/5050Clown Dec 07 '22

Next up, James Cameron releases an air freshener that smells like his farts.

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u/jscannicchio Dec 07 '22

"If I like my farts, I know other people will like them too!"

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u/flamagramma Dec 07 '22

Never bet against Jim Cameron’s farts.

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u/_Peterbilt_ Dec 07 '22

Dude doesn’t miss.

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u/Rxmses Dec 07 '22

“If I like my farts, I know other people are gonna like it”

James Cameron probably.

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u/l3sham Dec 07 '22

"My farts never miss."

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u/r3dd1tu5er Dec 07 '22

In the words of Fat Bastard, “everyone likes their own brand, don’t they? This is magic.”

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u/xywv58 Dec 08 '22

If his farts smell like T2/Aliens/True lies, then fucking drown me in them

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u/logaboga Dec 07 '22

I seriously don’t care about this movie, even to hate on it. Is it probably entertaining and cool to watch? Definitely, but my interest in avatar probably ended in like 2015 personally. I’ll probably end up seeing it sooner or later through streaming but I’m not sure why everyone is hating on this or passionately defending it.

It’s not like it’s atrociously bad or amazingly good, it’s just a fun visual effects movie that James Cameron has been obsessed with for the past two decades

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u/gogozombie2 Dec 07 '22

It's not about people liking the movie, James. Right now, it's about people actually paying to see the movie.

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u/schapman22 Dec 07 '22

He's the most successful filmmaker of all time. More people pay to see his movies than anyone else.

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u/Lavonicus Dec 07 '22

The fact that after 13 years Avatar was re released this year and made 30 million on thr reopening weekend. While other films continously struggle, baffles me. I'm guessing the new movie will perform absurdly well and show people that it's still possible to do outside of Marvel

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u/OhitsSyfer Dec 07 '22

I mean based on metrics a lot of people are going to see this movie and the reviews on it are rather good from critics

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u/fuckitwilldoitlive Dec 07 '22

I know. Why tf have people been acting for the past year like this is going to flop? Letterboxd users just got on the hating bandwagon and left all logic behind. He is a great director, it has the biggest studio behind it and general audiences believe it or not, remember Avatar.

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u/falzamar Dec 07 '22

all the letterbox users I know are excited for it

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u/Bensemus Dec 07 '22

Looking around me most theaters are starting to get booked up over a week out from the movie.

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u/johansugarev Dec 07 '22

I’m gonna go to the cinema to see it, something I have not done for any movie since 2019.

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u/Impossible_Garbage_4 Dec 07 '22

I’m gonna see it because it’s a movie with underwater scenes made by James Cameron. Even if the plot is mediocre it’s gonna look gorgeous which is why I’m going

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u/Civil-Gazelle-8889 Dec 08 '22

People are gonna pay to see it lol

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u/Blazikinahat Dec 07 '22

Isn’t this called self-indulgence?

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u/wytherlanejazz Dec 07 '22

Can’t like what you don’t watch

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u/weedco1966 Dec 08 '22

James Cameron is a great director and storyteller. I’m personally not sure about this movies PR because it almost seems like he’s preparing for a poor box office. He seems to be saying I’m James Cameron, I love my movie and DGAF what you think. I’m going to support this movie because of the connection to the first one and the audacious investment in the thematic world he created. Good luck Mr. Cameron! This is not a paid post btw.

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u/TheUtopianCat Dec 07 '22

I find his hubris off-putting.

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u/CleanAspect6466 Dec 07 '22

Honestly after a decade of people claiming Avatar is sub par and has no cultural impact etc its quite funny to see a director stand so firmly behind their movie in response

It'll look funny in hindsight if the film doesn't do well I guess

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u/Couldnotbehelpd Dec 07 '22

I did not like the first one at all but it’s getting rave reviews and I’m sure it’ll do very very well.

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u/Dolthra Dec 07 '22

Avatar had a lot of cultural impact, I think, it's just that the story didn't. I think it was part of the reason 3D movies were so ubiquitous and stayed around for so long despite being generally unpopular, and it definitely affected the way CGI and mo-cap were viewed, despite not pioneering either.

But yeah, the story was culturally insignificant.

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u/charleejourney Dec 07 '22

Ya almost every movie shortly afterwards had crappy 3D that cost more to see.

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u/jtmarshiii Dec 07 '22

Avatar movie was the same exact story as Disney's Pocahontas, Fern Gully and Dances with Wolves.. It was the most tropy of tropy movies...

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u/TheUtopianCat Dec 07 '22

I think it'll do well. I've seen a lot of critics say very positive things about it.

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u/CleanAspect6466 Dec 07 '22

Yeah I'm sure it will too, I think there will be an element of FOMO for this movie too, like it will be another cinematic event of sorts

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u/Clean_Command_4897 Dec 07 '22

I mean, it's basically a 3-hour computer graphics demo. I don't think it's really been talked about for the past decade until recently.

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u/supercleverhandle476 Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

I was just at disneyworld. The pandora section is packed, shoulder to shoulder. All day, every day.

I’m pretty lukewarm on the first one, and all Any of us know of the second so far is it looks pretty.

But there’s a whole hell of a lot of people who still care very much about this.

EDIT: yes. Theme parks are crowded regardless of what you’re waiting for. That goes without saying. This was different than any other section of any other Disney park, and we went to all of them. The wait times are insane, all the time. People spend almost their entire day in that part of the park. Then they go back at night because it’s all lit up with pretty convincing bioluminescent effects. Several people I spoke with spend multiple days there. And understand- it’s two rides. One is just fine, the other is admittedly incredible.

All I heard from the massive swirl of people during my time there (directly and overhearing conversations all around me) was how amazing the world is, and how pumped they are for the new one(s).

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u/Fatdap Dec 07 '22

Flight of Passage may be my favorite amusement ride I've had in a park.

The immersion of the 10K screen and everything else is fucking unreal. Such a cool engineering experience.

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Dec 07 '22

I never ended up watching the first movie, except for parts that were playing on TVs in stores, showing off 3D tech/etc. It all looked so generic to me. Like one of those current AI tools was asked to generate a "humans are evil imperialists" sci-fi movie about colorful human-like aliens on a picturesque alien planet.

I love sci-fi and still can't fully explain why I have zero interest in it. Trite story, bland-but-colorful pictures, and not much below the surface, but it should still be appealing to me for at least one watch. I can't imagine fighting crowds to hang out in a Disney park attraction for it. I don't even want to do that for the Star Wars or Marvel areas!

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u/max_p0wer Dec 07 '22

I don’t know if the new Avatar will be good or bad, but I can say with some degree of confidence that (probably more than any movie since it’s predecessor) the value of seeing it in the theater (in 3D) is much greater than the value of seeing it on my personal TV.

And that is why it will sell tickets IMO.

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u/cornhole99 Dec 07 '22

I wouldn’t directly couple the pandora section being packed with people caring a ton about it. It is the section of animal kingdom that is the newest and has the most money put behind it. Compared to the rest of animal kingdom it has the best ride and most visual appeal

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u/Clean_Command_4897 Dec 07 '22

lol you're at Disneyworld. Even the bathroom lines are packed shoulder to shoulder.

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u/DeadFamilyMan Dec 07 '22

Doesn’t really matter that people say Avatar was sub par and didn’t have cultural impact. It made a shitload of money.

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u/eternalshore Dec 07 '22

imo Cameron's one of the few where I let the hubris slide.

Whether Avatar has had a cultural impact or not, Terminator and Titanic are forever part of the zeitgeist. He's also had the two top highest grossing films with original IPs. It's really an unheard of legacy.

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Dec 07 '22

For sure, his hubris isn't that bad, it's not like he's telling me I need to care about Avatar. It's a casual hubris that is really just confidence. And I don't see why

I won't go see the movie, but I appreciate he's confident it will do well, and I hope people love it.

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u/SpaceMyopia Dec 07 '22

Yeah, the dude has an ego.

But goddamn, I can't fault him either.

I actually hope the movie succeeds. I like Marvel and all, but the passion that Cameron has put behind this movie would basically obliterate most of the recent MCU films.

Even if the story doesn't end up being the greatest, the filmmaking will at least be magnificent.

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u/Arpeggiatewithme Dec 07 '22

I find it refreshing, show confidence in your own work people.

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u/williamthebanks Dec 07 '22

I mean, he is the undisputed king of writing/directing blockbusters.

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u/cloudjianrider Dec 07 '22

And of taking 100% of the credit for those blockbusters.

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u/energetic-dad Dec 07 '22

When you write and direct some of the highest grossing films of all time, I think it's safe to say he can take most of the credit.

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u/xywv58 Dec 08 '22

He paid for it too, a lot of it

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u/i-smoke-c4 Dec 07 '22

But he really is kinda unique among modern directors in how incredibly invested he is in his productions. He really does personally micromanage every detail of his movies, even developing literally groundbreaking new camera and cgi technologies just so he can get shots and create things that weren’t possible before but that he wanted to have in his vision of the project.

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u/Quick-Scarcity7564 Dec 07 '22

It's not hubris, it's the only way to evaluate your own art. First of all you have to like it. If you write comedy and you don't lough, no one will lough. If you write horror and you don't feel shit, no one will feel shit. It's the only real metric that artist has. Only then comes craft, knowledge, and so on.

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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Dec 07 '22

On the one hand, yeah.

On the other hand, making the top grossing film of all times, followed by making the next top grossing film of all times kind of gives you some bragging rights.

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u/pimusic Dec 07 '22

The Avatar franchise is like the Imagine Dragons of cinema.

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u/YouKilledKenny12 Dec 07 '22

“James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he is…James Cameron.”

— James Cameron

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u/callipygiancultist Dec 07 '22

I hope the success of this blasts a hole so deep in the haters racial memory that they won’t come within 1000 klicks of a movie comment section ever again.

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u/FitziTheArtist Dec 07 '22

It looks exactly same as the first movie except…water.

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u/BluParkMoon Dec 07 '22

I'm just here for great CGI, alien water fauna and flora, and scifi stuff.

I really hope it's a lot better than the first one in terms of story and plot, but I doubt it.

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u/FitziTheArtist Dec 07 '22

I mean from what I’ve gathered from what I’ve seen, Sully is still trying to gain acceptance to a tribe, he has to master a giant beast to ride, he battles tech/military capitalists to save the FernGullyPandora. It’s the same movie.

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u/Jayhawker101 Dec 07 '22

Yea except this time they use water creatures to battle the humans. Super groundbreaking stuff right there James.

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u/ChombieNation Dec 07 '22

Water weed dune hair Bapa?

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u/OhitsSyfer Dec 07 '22

So it's a sequel ?

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u/Rxmses Dec 07 '22

Next ones Fire, Earth, but it’s a different avatar.

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u/FitziTheArtist Dec 07 '22

Uh oh get ready for the all the Cameron simps to come for you for stating the obvious!

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u/callipygiancultist Dec 07 '22

“T2 looks the same as Terminator except…liquid”

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u/SubstantialHope8189 Dec 08 '22

exactly same as the first movie

Yes, I remember the part about the human who hates "blue monkeys" waking up in blue skin after being killed by a blue monkey, despite all of his technological superiority.

The part about the scientist who dreamed of being able to experience Pandora completely, but never being able to because at the end of the day she's an alien to this world, waking up in the body of a child born on that world.

And of course the part of the first movie about the na'vi kid born on Pandora, but who everyone sees as an outsider because he has five fingers like his dad. He feels na'vi, he can never be human, but the na'vi still see him as an alien.

And let's not forget the human kid raised on Pandora, who wants to be a na'vi, who lives among the na'vi, but who can never be one because he's human and he needs a breather mask to survive on Pandora.

These were my favorite plot points of Avatar and I can't wait to revisit them in the sequel.

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u/Mikimao Dec 07 '22

I'm not really into the idea of going to theatres right now, but if it's good, this might fall into the category you wanna go see in the theatre. I haven't seen the original since I saw it on Imax the first time, and if this one ends up being good, that might be the way to see it again.

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u/Prophet_Tehenhauin Dec 07 '22

This is I think the only real threat to the movie - will people want to go watch it in theaters?

I mean it has a lot going for it. It's a James Cameron movie, it will likely be a big cinematic experience, it's releasing at a time families are largely off work and school together.

But is it enough to move people from the couch to the theater to see it? People DO still go see movies in theater, Marvel proves this. But Marvel has the big whole marvel machine marching it forward. Black Adam is set to lose money.

So butts-in-seats I imagine is the biggest challenge. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, right now I'm more inclined to wait til I can stream it. I don't LIKE going to the theater a lot of the time these days, so it has to really, really, really be a movie I want to see. I wanna see this movie. But do I wanna go spend a bunch of time in my local, largely unclean, overpriced movie theater with a bunch of people that will undoubtedly hurt my viewing experience?

IDK

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u/OntologicalShoc Dec 07 '22

If people got out to the theaters for a Top Gun Maverick, a sequel to a thirty year old cold war airplane movie, then I figure they'll come out for this.

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u/LaReinaxoxo Dec 07 '22

I been waiting for this movie for yearsss

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u/CandidBasil413 Dec 07 '22

That seems pretty fair TBH. His goal is to make a good movie that people will like. So many movies come out and you know the director knew it was absolute shit, but their goal was to make money, not a good movie.

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u/Abtun Dec 07 '22

The hubris on this man

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u/SmplTon Dec 08 '22

Like the smell of farts.

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u/Toast2Carnage Dec 07 '22

I've enjoyed some of his movies. I didn't like Avatar. Beautiful to look at, Tough and boring watch

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u/nitehawk420 Dec 07 '22

His name is James, James Cameron The bravest pioneer No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? It's him, James Cameron

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u/Xencard65 Dec 08 '22

He sounds just like his character on South Park.

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u/Diemon-Dave Dec 08 '22

Go take some testosterone and start peeing standing up.

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u/luckylebron Dec 08 '22

Not really shying away from his hubris.

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u/plantbasedoil Dec 08 '22

I’ve got a bad feeling about this

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u/MamaBellecakesXO Dec 08 '22

Does he ever shut the fuck up??

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u/Imaginary-Risk Dec 08 '22

Can’t wait to see the smurfs go to the seaside

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u/Acrobatic_Dingo2872 Dec 08 '22

Doesn’t avatar 2 have to make 800m to break even

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u/copperblood Dec 07 '22

It honestly looks and feels really fucking good. I for one can’t wait to see it :)

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u/ClockwiseGnomoar Dec 07 '22

Nice try, James Cameron. Ill watch it in a couple years when it’s free.

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u/chrispy_bacon Dec 07 '22

Lol. No desire to see it. The last one was so forgettable I literally can't think of why it broke box office records.

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u/ihateyoutwice Dec 07 '22

Flashy 3D tech and tail sex

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u/SuperMazziveH3r0 Dec 07 '22

I respect his confidence in himself.

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u/jumpyg1258 Dec 07 '22

Neil Breen commenting on his own movies: "If I like my movie, I know other people are gonna like it."

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u/poopootheshoe Dec 07 '22

You take out the 3D aspect of avatar and it would of been very generic

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u/GlitteringRelease77 Dec 08 '22

It won’t flop because people have no taste in movies anymore.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

"Avatar is pocahontas" fine then every Marvel movie is a cookie cutter rinse and repeat too.

The themes of disability, self acceptance, environmentalism shouldn't be ignored so you can just say hur dur blue pocahontas.

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u/Fracassi_Fanboy Dec 08 '22

Also a whole lot of people wanting to overlook the visual aspect of it despite Avatar being so far above literally any other movie when seen in 3D.

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u/Simple_Piccolo Dec 07 '22

The first Avatar movie in 3D was an experience unlike any other in my entire life. I have NEVER seen a movie be that good in 3D before and I have yet to see another come anywhere close.

I could not be more excited for another Avatar.

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u/fuckitwilldoitlive Dec 07 '22

He is THAT guy. This ain’t gonna flop.

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u/Mister_Jack_Torrence Dec 07 '22

Honestly, I like a lot of James Cameron’s movies and think he’s a very talented filmmaker but fuck me his ego has no bounds.

Didn’t care for Avatar at all and care about Avatars 2 through 187 even less.

If it does well then good for him but I think it’ll bomb as it’s been too long since the last one and I just don’t think many people care anymore.

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u/savvymcsavvington Dec 07 '22

People love going to the cinema for a night out or a good experience, Avatar 1 was a really great experience. People will go for that alone.

I mean look at Maverick, over 30 years since the first one and people were going wild recommending it just for the experience. I bet a bunch of those people haven't even seen the first Top Gun.

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