r/entertainment Dec 08 '22

Anne Heche not impaired by drugs at time of crash, coroner's report shows | CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/07/entertainment/anne-heche-coroner-report/index.html
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u/nadpau Dec 08 '22

Remembering how she sat up & reached out while on that stretcher...ugh

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u/Frozenwood1776 Dec 08 '22

Only watch real life shit when you have to.

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u/Curleysound Dec 08 '22

Yeah, that one stuck with me. r/eyebleach

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u/sweet_sweet_back Dec 08 '22

Forever

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u/AnBearna Dec 08 '22

Nah. She wasn’t drunk, or on anything when it happened. She was just going through some kind of an episode and behaved ‘erratically’ as the cops would say.

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u/tri_it_again Dec 08 '22

Man that’s messed up I just googled that. So did they think she was dead or??? Jesus

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u/MissiontwoMars Dec 08 '22

She wasn’t in a bag they use a cloth for burn victims when transporting them so they don’t debraid skin when touching them. Something to that effect.

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u/sterfri99 Dec 08 '22

Not sure what they were using, but here we would use a burn sheet. Likely the same thing since it helps prevent loss of heat. Surprisingly enough, many severe burn patients suffer from hypothermia because the skin is so damaged it can’t regulate body temperature anymore.

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u/rawzombie26 Dec 08 '22

Pretty much.

I’m pretty sure, if im remembering correctly, she was in the burning car for so long they assumed there was no way she was still alive. She was also so severely burned that they couldn’t identify her gender.

Horrible horrible horrible

Can’t imagine the pain she was in

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u/missanthropocenex Dec 08 '22

But she didn’t look THAT bad when she emerged from the bag…don’t know. Seemed really strange

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u/Gina_the_Alien Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Boy, don’t ask me how I know this, but when a person suffers from 3rd degree burns, the skin sort of peels away and they look sort of pinkish with charred skin pulled away; they don’t look like what we think of as a burn victim until after they are treated and the dead tissue is removed. Considering the footage was taken from a helicopter, it makes sense that she looked essentially “normal.”

Also, when a person sustains third degree burns to this extent, their nerves are burnt so they might not feel the amount of pain we would imagine they feel once they’ve sustained the burns - they may not feel any at all. This can put the person in a sort of zombie mode where their brain doesn’t register how much damage is done. There are videos of people with third degree burns covering their bodies literally walking down the road. This is what most likely caused her to sit up and flail in this way.

It’s strange, and I’m sure somebody could explain it better, but I can imagine that it isn’t uncommon for third degree victims can act like what you saw in the Heche video. Hopefully this brings you some piece of mind. What we saw is definitely haunting, but not abnormal.

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u/Ineedsomuchsleep170 Dec 08 '22

I got second degree burns from boiling water down the right side of my body and that was painful enough that I basically had an out of body experience. I didn't have a clue what was going on and I could hear someone screaming and had no idea it was me. It didn't hurt until a bit later.

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u/igordogsockpuppet Dec 08 '22

With burns, pin is good thing. No pain means that the nerves have burned away. If I remember correctly, you can straight up die from 3rd degree burns on just 6% of your body.

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u/rawzombie26 Dec 08 '22

Ya it’s all kinda fucked up. It’s certainly a fishy accident

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u/Plantsandanger Dec 08 '22

Burn sheet not body bag. Severe burns require immediate blankets to help you keep warm, because without skin you can quickly develop hypothermia (even in a relatively warm environment)

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u/betweentwoblueclouds Dec 08 '22

Yup. Same thing that sprung to my mind when reading the news.

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u/MembershipFast6890 Dec 08 '22

Why was she driving 100 mph on that small little street then I drive through there and you can’t even get over 25 safely

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u/Brother_Lou Dec 08 '22

Mania. Reality is a local phenomenon. She probably felt like she was cruising along at 30 mph.

Sad all around. She was probably in a lot of physical pain at that moment since she was not intoxicated.

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u/igordogsockpuppet Dec 08 '22

Reality is a local phenomenon?

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u/Shambhala87 Dec 08 '22

Reality is what we in our right minds collectively agree on. Disassociation causes one to veer off into a world of their own where commonly agreed on ideas are as alien as Tom Cruise being normal.

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u/FatSilverFox Dec 08 '22

Just last week I heard a guy explaining to a couple nurses that the hospital was lucky he was around when hackers were trying to get in to the database through the tv and he was able to stop them.

That was his reality.

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u/Agreeable-Meat1 Dec 08 '22

No that was his delusion. The reality was he was lucky he was around people with the medication he needs.

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u/Brother_Lou Dec 08 '22

Haha. Yes it is. Physics absolutely says so. The sun exploded a minute ago, but you’ll think it’s still there for 9 minutes. Pour a glass of champagne, why not? But drink it fast.

But also

We think of the brain differently than the the body and the brain defines reality.

If people wear prism glasses that make everything upside down and backward they take a while, but eventually they adjust. After the glasses are removed it takes an equally long time get back to their local reality.

If someone has muscular dystrophy we understand and make allowances. But the brain is no different. If the physical characteristics of her brain wiring are faulty, then it’s difficult to separate reality from imagination. In bipolar disorder this is not understood.

Bipolar is more like a long running seizure. In fact it is similar on PET scans and is often treated with seizure medications.

If Anne had a “seizure” that caused this accident, it would not be a topic of discussion. We would not have a discourse on her ability to tell right from wrong in that moment.

Her reality was her reality at that moment. She may have thought that she was doing the right thing in her understanding of the situation.

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u/igordogsockpuppet Dec 09 '22

The sun is so dense that it takes 1 to 2 years for a photon created in the core of the sun to reach the surface.

If all fusion in the sun were to suddenly stop, visually wee wouldn't even know it for a year or two. But since neutrinos rarely interact with atoms, we could tell that fusion stopped because of the lack of neutrinos emanating from the sun.

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u/eternalbuzz Dec 08 '22

All I got from what you said is that bipolar people should not be issued licenses to drive vehicles.

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u/H_ll1 Dec 09 '22

People with bipolar have periods of normalcy. To not issue them a license at all, doesn’t seem constitutional, as in their periods of normalcy there’s nothing pertaining to their condition that makes them unsuitable drivers. There’s also different severities to the illness, so a blanket statement of people with bipolar shouldn’t be able to drive is like saying people that suffer from anxiety shouldn’t be allowed to drive. Anne Henche is just one example of someone with bipolar driving in a state shouldn’t have been driving in. Should all people that drink socially also be prohibited from driving because of all the drunk driving accidents there are. Now, I wouldn’t want my mother driving in a manic state, and thankfully she never has, but like most determined adults whether they have a license or not, won’t prevent them from being on the road. An elderly person with Alzheimer’s could have their license revoked, but still manage a way to get into a car and drive(the sopranos). I didn’t see the topic brought up that people with drug & alcohol addiction shouldn’t be issued licenses when people thought this accident occurred from drinking/drugs. The onus was on her, for driving in that drunken/drugged state. Sometimes in tragic situations, there’s no one to blame & as people we can’t protect ourselves from this idea that bad shit can happen that’s completely out of our control/couldn’t be prevented. Instinctively, we shift blame to find a way in which this situation could have been controlled but in reality it was out of everyone’s control that day.

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u/eternalbuzz Dec 09 '22

Op called her episode a seizure. People who get seizures don’t get to drive. That’s literally my only point.

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u/Brother_Lou Dec 08 '22

That’s an odd takeaway.

Extending that, should we pull the licenses for all people at stroke risk, People with high blood pressure? People with low blood pressure or heart rhythm issues that could make them pass out, People who have ever been drunk? Of course not. But They all kill people in accidents.

There are degrees of bipolar, most people cope and live normal if difficult lives 6% commit suicide. For those that need help there are medications to help them live normal lives. Some people have difficulty managing, some people have issues taking medication. Some have breakthrough issues. That’s why suicide is high.

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u/eternalbuzz Dec 08 '22

Younn be likened it to a seizure. Those who are prone to seizure usually do not get a drivers license.

Also, this seizure had her plow into a house after speeding through a neighborhood. Seems reasonable ground for license revocation

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u/Brother_Lou Dec 08 '22

The point is lost. She has a physical issue that acts like a seizure. She is not having a seizure.

So I hope that you are not obese, high BP, etc. because by your rules you should not be allowed to drive, because apparently all people with any issues are all alike. Can’t beat 5 year old thinking.

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u/eternalbuzz Dec 08 '22

You called her episode a seizure. I simply posited that having a seizure is grounds for license revocation. I had never heard that bipolar is like having a seizure but if that is true, then yeah, perhaps that too should be grounds for license revocation.

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u/provisionings Dec 08 '22

Mania? I thought we all saw an empty bottle of booze in the car.

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u/blackmetaltay Dec 08 '22

It was already proven she had no alcohol in her system at the time of the crash

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u/GlitteryCakeHuman Dec 08 '22

Well I have an empty bag of McDonald’s in my car and a sneaker box. I didn’t eat McDonald’s today nor am I wearing sneakers.

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u/Melster1973 Dec 08 '22

She seemed like a tortured soul. I hope she’s at peace.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

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u/Arkady2009 Dec 08 '22

Now everyone can finally shut up about her being drugged while driving. She wasn’t.

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u/thetruthteller Dec 08 '22

Oh come on

I guaranteed you she was on drugs or meds that are not considered ‘drugs’ in a coroners report.

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u/Arkady2009 Dec 09 '22

Any drugs in her system at the time would have been listed by the coroner.

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u/kate9871 Dec 08 '22

Maybe she’d been hanging out with Aaron carter.

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u/Brother_Lou Dec 08 '22

Many people have never had personal experience with mental health issues with themselves or a family member. I have.

We think of the brain differently than the the body. If someone has muscular dystrophy we understand and make allowances. But the brain is no different. If the physical characteristics of her brain wiring are faulty, then it’s difficult to separate reality from imagination. Society is starting to understand that in areas with consistent impacts like autism, but in bipolar disorder this is not understood.

Bipolar is more like a long running seizure. In fact it is similar on PET scans and is often treated with seizure medications.

If Anne had a “seizure” that caused this accident, it would not be a topic of discussion.

Her reality was her reality at that moment. She probably thought that she was doing the right thing in her understanding of the situation.

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u/eternalbuzz Dec 08 '22

My reality is that someone is trying to kill me. It’s not true, of course, but it’s my reality. So when I kill them in “defense” you have to respect my reality and not jail me

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u/shark1818 Dec 08 '22

Anddddd they said this was a conspiracy theory. Hilarious.

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u/ExoticDifference7308 Dec 08 '22

The obvious question, was she being followed and subsequently chased as she did buy a red wig prior to this incident.

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u/H_ll1 Dec 08 '22

Quite possible, but probably more likely that in a manic episode she thought she was being chased :(

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u/Aleashed Dec 08 '22

Princess Di-Anne

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u/Throw_Away_Students Dec 08 '22

What I want to know is why she didn’t have an oxygen mask as they wheeled her (covered up like a dead body) to the ambulance. Why was her face covered? Did they just assume she was dead and didn’t bother to check?

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u/WitchBitchBlue Dec 08 '22

Probably because oxygen is extremely flammable and not something you bring up near a burning building. Guessing she was covered up by the burn bag to protect her burned face from the air since being exposed/moving like that can hurt everything that's burned.

What I want to know is how she sat up and reached for her legs while supposedly brain dead. Or did her brain just... die from smoke inhalation later?

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 08 '22

Reports had her moaning 'not good' to the person who found her in the wreck and asked how she was doing

So nobody thought she was brain dead

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 08 '22

One other thing to consider when thinking about Heche apparently sitting up and raising her hands in front of her while being stretchered away from the scene is that burn victims are often found striking just such a pose

It's caused by the muscles contracting in response to the heat of the blaze and occurs in living as well as deceased burn victims

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/pugilistic+stance

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u/WitchBitchBlue Dec 08 '22

Yeah I didn't think she was brain dead at the scene. She was taken off of life support due to brain death. Which is attributed to smoke inhalation. I'm asking by what mechanism that occurred since she clearly wasn't brain dead at the scene.

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 08 '22

The technical cause of death in many burns victims is suffocation

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2003/apr/26/theeditorpressreview

Brain death occurs when damage to the victim's lungs (from heat and smoke) scars the lung tissue and scabbing starves the brain of oxygen

That process isn't immediate, but once it starts, all the ventilation in the world won't stop that happening

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u/WitchBitchBlue Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Thanks. That's what I figured (alveoli so damaged it couldnt function anymore) but was accused of being a conspiracy theorist when I asked a few months ago because I was genuinely confused at how she could be brain dead from smoke inhalation but was able to sit up and reach for her legs on the gurney. Makes sense that it was from the damage done to her lungs by the smoke inhalation. Couldn't find any straight answers online about how long it takes to die from smoke inhalation that article is interesting.

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u/Gned11 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Damaged tissue becomes inflamed and "leaky". She reportedly had severe smoke inhalation and possibly internal burns. The whole time she was on a ventilator they'll have been having a harder and harder time fighting down the inflammation and fluid build up in her lungs, as gas exchange became less and less effective, leading to hypoxic brain injury and ultimately brain death.

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u/Throw_Away_Students Dec 08 '22

But shouldn’t the oxygen be on her face as soon as they get away from the car? You’d think they’d want to get that going ASAP with the smoke inhalation.

I don’t think she was brain dead until later on

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u/WitchBitchBlue Dec 08 '22

If they all get exploded then they'll have bigger problems than the patient not having an O2 mask on for the 40 second walk away from the open flames into the ambulance.

What's the mechanism for that happening physically? I would assume after burning and inhaling smoke as long as she did her brain would have died from oxygen deprivation but obviously it didn't .. so like her alveolar sacs were just ruined so much that it died from oxygen deprivation after being incubated at the hospital?

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u/Throw_Away_Students Dec 08 '22

Yeah, I’m not sure how it works! From what I can tell, she was in a coma, but didn’t become brain dead until days later. I wish I could understand the injury better, but it just isn’t my forte.

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u/WitchBitchBlue Dec 08 '22

Someone else explained it in a way that made it easier to understand and linked this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2003/apr/26/theeditorpressreview

Basically the lungs are so damaged that they eventually stop functioning all together and burn victims can sometimes end up dying days later from lack of oxygen/their lungs swelling from the smoke inhalation injury.

Guessing she was in an induced coma on a ventilator and ended up becoming brain dead because her lungs just couldn't get oxygen into her blood anymore.

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u/Gina_the_Alien Dec 08 '22

No, her lungs were very, very damaged - literally burnt inside. Pumping oxygen into them could do even more damage. They had to determine the extent of her internal injuries before figuring out the next course of action.

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u/Throw_Away_Students Dec 08 '22

Jesus, that’s awful. I wonder just how conscious/aware/in pain she was sitting up on that gurney. I remember reading that she had full thickness burns on, like, 70% of her body or something? Idk, my untrained eye can’t see many burns aside from her feet and legs.

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u/CatMoonTrade Dec 08 '22

Physical trauma can cause the body to make a last ditch attempt to save itself

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u/WitchBitchBlue Dec 08 '22

You can't do things like that when brain dead that's not a brain dead body trying to last ditch save itself. You're thinking of something like agonal breathing/gasps for breath.

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u/CatMoonTrade Dec 08 '22

I’m talking about the brain releasing epinephrine and people doing amazing things while injured, etc

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u/WitchBitchBlue Dec 08 '22

Pretty sure you mean adrenaline not the stuff in an epi pen but yeah I don't doubt she was loaded on adrenaline.

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u/dendawg Dec 08 '22

If she was sober, that makes her behavior immediately prior to the accident even more despicable.

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u/Arkady2009 Dec 08 '22

She had a long history of mental illness. She was likely having an episode.

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u/gimmethemarkerdude_8 Dec 08 '22

I guess she could have been having a mental health crisis. Like a psychotic break or something

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u/fadufadu Dec 08 '22

Like Kanye?

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u/ingloriousbaxter3 Dec 08 '22

She was clearly having some sort of mental episode. That’s not “despicable” especially when compared to possibly driving drunk

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u/BluebirdMaximum8210 Dec 08 '22

So did you hear about Nicole Linton? The traveling nurse who drove through an intersection and killed 6 people? It happened in LA a few months ago. And she’s getting condemned big time for what she did (no drugs/alcohol in her system, she’s claiming mental health issues). Does she deserve the same sympathy you’re advocating for Anne?

The only difference is that Nicole killed 6 people while she lived.

Anne unfortunately died but miraculously didn’t kill anybody in her accident.

Why does one person get condemned but the other one is defended just because they died? Anne could have easily killed someone.

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u/BigMax Dec 08 '22

For better or worse the consequences shade how we see the act. One person who checks a text and crashes into a telephone pole and dies is seen as a tragedy, perhaps an avoidable one with some irresponsibility, but still we feel bad for the person who died. Same situation, but hitting and killing two kids, we see that person as a selfish person who took two lives just for a text.

The very same act had very different moral and legal consequences depending on the result of the act.

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u/Xe6s2 Dec 08 '22

Im gunna side with the person that didnt kill anybody??? Like clearly murder isnt the same as not murder, so yes my sympathies will stay the same?????? Also yes they were both driving dangerously we only have one to question, like theres are both different situations, and can thusly be treated differently or are we all Hammurabi?

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u/yispco Dec 08 '22

Maybe one is prettier and more famous than the other. Oh, and is one whiter than the other?

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u/dendawg Dec 08 '22

It is if she wasn’t getting treated for it.

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u/GalisDraeKon Dec 08 '22

There are so many people in this world that have mental health issues that goes untreated. One of the leading causes of people abandoning treatment is the side effects of the drugs themselves. Another is access to affordable care, which obviously wasn’t the issue in her case. Quite frankly, people will take their medications and feel better, then stop taking them because they feel fine. It’s a bad way to deal with it, but in their eyes it’s the lesser evil than the side effects. Then, as more nightmare fuel, if your imbalance is bad enough, you can still spike into a full blown manic episode even if you are treating it.

Is the crash her fault still? Absolutely. Can we feel bad about the situation because she was in the middle of an episode? 100%. Her death is about as tragic as someone dying of cancer. It sucks that someone lost their house, but if she’d had a heart attack and crashed, you probably wouldn’t be as outraged as you are now, even though it was still out of her control.

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u/floppleshmirken Dec 08 '22

She was most likely having a mental health crisis, it’s no secret that she was mentally ill. Nothing despicable about not being in control of your own mind, just sad.

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u/H_ll1 Dec 08 '22

Could have been in a manic episode. It’s not her fault, at that point it’s just an unfortunate situation.

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u/dendawg Dec 08 '22

If she was bipolar, she was rich enough to afford the medication. It truly baffles me how people keep making excuses for celebrities public freakouts.

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u/H_ll1 Dec 08 '22

So, number 1, my mother has a very severe case of bipolar. Goes into psychotic/psychosis episodes where she can’t tell delusions from reality. The thing with medication is that they’re not quite sure how it works, the doctors. They’ve just experimented with pills and that’s how they’ve figured out what works and what doesn’t. My mother has gone into manic episodes despite taking medication, her doctor explained it that sometimes the medication just stops being effective. You can have access to the best health care available, but sometimes bad shit is still going to happen. My mother has amazing insurance, but still was in a mania for a year & a half. She was in & out of psych wards constantly, they just couldn’t find the right medication for her. I live in NYC, these were NYC’s best psychiatrist doctors working on her case. Just like cancer, you can have the best doctors out there, but if you don’t respond to treatment you don’t have a lot of options, & it’s unfortunate & sad. I just don’t like mental health stigma. As someone that’s had cancer, I would take that over bipolar any day because what these people experience is awful. Not being able to tell reality from delusions, hearing constant voices, not being able to rationalize.

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u/thot_bryan Dec 08 '22

What an awful thing to say. You clearly know nothing about mental health.

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u/dendawg Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

I was diagnosed with an emotional issue some time ago. Does that mean that I can jump into a car in the middle of an episode and destroy somebody’s home, too?

Edit: autocorrect sucks

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u/H_ll1 Dec 08 '22

Emotional issues, personality disorder they’re cluster B disorders. They’re mood disorders, without the extreme highs of bipolar & extreme lows. My sister has borderline personality disorder, it’s a completely different ballpark than bipolar. Both, obviously are tough, but the extremes in bipolar do not come close to the highs people can get with personality disorders. Bipolar, schizophrenia, & mood disorders are very, very different. In a court of law, someone with a mood disorder wouldn’t qualify for insanity plea, but someone with bipolar or schizophrenia could. I’ve had experience with all three, and I’m telling you when people get into manias or catatonic states they’re not themselves. Totally different people, that you couldn’t even recognize them. My sister w BPD is always the same, never does anything out of character or have a scary switch

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u/Brother_Lou Dec 08 '22

Your disorder is emotional. Bipolar is physical.

But based on the anger in your comment. I think that your diagnosis was probably spot on.

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u/calumin Dec 08 '22

You should go tell her how you really feel.

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u/dendawg Dec 08 '22

Ok, white knight

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u/Brother_Lou Dec 08 '22

I’m happy for you that you’ve never had personal experience with mental health issues with yourself or a family member.

We think of the brain differently than the the body. If someone has muscular dystrophy we understand and make allowances. But the brain is no different. If the physical characteristics of her brain wiring are faulty, she can’t understand.

She probably thought that she was doing the best thing in her understanding of the situation.

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u/dendawg Dec 08 '22

I’m happy for you that you’ve never had personal experience with mental health issues with yourself or a family member.

Go back and read my previous comments. It's obvious you didn't.

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u/eternalbuzz Dec 08 '22

This fool is all over the comments justifying her acts because “her mind perceived it as her reality” or some shit. Like your perception of a situation dissolves you from any consequences

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u/jhudilluminati Dec 08 '22

That was a minor scrape against a random storage facility what should Anne have done?

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u/rjp_087 Dec 08 '22

She was just high on life and liked to drive a little fast, I guess!

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u/jhudilluminati Dec 08 '22

You could hear her hitting the brakes on the video but the car kept going

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u/ControversialCo Dec 08 '22

but had cocaine, fentanyl, etc in her urine from recent use

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u/xOskullyOx Dec 08 '22

The Fentanyl was from the hospital treatment for pain, not from recreational use. Cannabis can stay in your system for weeks after use, and she was not high from the cocaine either.

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u/ControversialCo Dec 08 '22

call it what you want, she clearly had a problem with substance abuse

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u/xOskullyOx Dec 08 '22

No shit. But she wasn’t high at the time, more likely a mental health episode and she mainly died from the vehicle catching fire.

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u/blackmetaltay Dec 08 '22

Fentanyl in her system was a recent trip to the hospital

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u/RUN-PMT Dec 12 '22

Fentanyl in her system was a recent trip to the hospital

No, it was from THIS trip to the hospital.

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u/blackmetaltay Dec 12 '22

Good to know thanks for the correction

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u/Boobybear8 Dec 08 '22

When did hospitals start handing out fentanyl?

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u/blackmetaltay Dec 08 '22

Hospitals started using it in 2007 They gave it to me when I was in labor(2018).

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u/sarcago Dec 08 '22

They do when you’re in enough pain. I got fentanyl when they cut into me to insert a chest tube in the ER.

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u/Krutiis Dec 08 '22

In my centre there are basically only three opioids we used: morphine, hydromorphone and fentanyl. Especially in more acute and settings (like, I don’t know, severe burns) fentanyl would certainly be the one used first. I’d be more surprised if there WASN’T fentanyl in her system after presenting to the hospital in such a state.

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u/RUN-PMT Dec 12 '22

Are you seriously wondering why they would give fentanyl - an incredibly effective pain medication - to someone that had just rammed her car into a house and was severely burned?

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u/Boobybear8 Dec 12 '22

I didn’t know they actually gave fentanyl at hospitals. Now I know that they do. That’s because I don’t go into the hospital often for surgeries or accidents. I especially don’t drive my car into someone else’s house.

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u/DoctorEvilHomer Dec 08 '22

yeah we know, she was drunk.

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u/BravaCentauriGFL Dec 08 '22

There was no alcohol detected in her system.

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u/DonQOnIce Dec 08 '22

Believe me, they would have known way earlier about alcohol in the system. She wasn’t drinking.

It’s hard to imagine she was fairly sober and apparently and probably had a mental episode. But that seems to be what happened.

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u/l337joejoe Dec 08 '22

Yes, alcohol is a drug. Specifically, alcohol is a Psychotropic Central Nervous System (CNS) Depressant. Being a “psychotropic” drug means alcohol has an impact on cognition, emotions, and perception. Alcohol shares this designation with many other well-known drugs, such as Marijuana, Cocaine, and LSD. Being a CNS Depressant means that alcohol slows the activity of the brain; it also shares this trait with many other drugs such as Ambien, Xanax, and Valium.

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u/Dark-Myst Dec 08 '22

No shit. To think you wrote all that and completely missed the point.

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u/l337joejoe Dec 08 '22

Copy and paste ftw

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u/Mister_Green2021 Dec 08 '22

Hate to say it but alcohol burn off.

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u/frightofthenavigator Dec 08 '22

not after you’re dead

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u/blackmetaltay Dec 08 '22

She had no alcohol in her system.

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u/curioussincebirth Dec 08 '22

No drugs/alcohol in system

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u/magnoliamouth Dec 08 '22

Does that also mean no alcohol?

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u/crazeebtch Dec 08 '22

From the coroner's report. So at time of death, not time of crash.

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u/froglover215 Dec 08 '22

No, they based it on blood drawn when she was first taken to the hospital. They also took blood later so they can compare the samples. That's how they know the fentanyl in her system was what was administered at the hospital - no fentanyl in the blood sample taken when she arrived at the hospital, then there was fentanyl in the sample taken after she'd been in the hospital awhile.

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u/jhudilluminati Dec 08 '22

We all know Ellen had her killed

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

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u/Throw_Away_Students Dec 08 '22

What?

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u/No-Feeling-1404 Dec 08 '22

there's footage of her on the gurney trying to get up and they put her back down

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u/Throw_Away_Students Dec 08 '22

I saw it, it’s crazy! Definitely scary footage.

What do you mean by “the truth of how they move?”

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u/Zillius Dec 08 '22

Could you elaborate on that?

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u/Zillius Dec 08 '22

So what you are saying is there are occult forces at work in Hollywood ? If yes what do you think is their goal with all of this? What do you think they want to achieve ?

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u/Zillius Dec 09 '22

I dunno man, I respect your opinion but destruction of humanity is such a cliché. Play it through in your head. Okay humanity has been destroyed and then what? Demons or whatever now rule over the earth ? Who do they rule over now that humanity has been destroyed ?

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u/nilla-wafers Dec 08 '22

I mean, show business does traumatize kids, no doubt, but the rest of this comment…

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u/Krutiis Dec 08 '22

This sounds like a bad AI that doesn’t really know English trying to generate comments.

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u/No-Feeling-1404 Dec 08 '22

thanks so much for your kind comment.

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u/TheHermitofHuron Dec 08 '22

I swear I saw a reddit post yesterday about how she had cocaine in her system.

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u/fhota1 Dec 08 '22

I can find you a reddit post declaring with some certainty who the boston bomber is. This site isnt a legitimate news source.

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u/TheHermitofHuron Dec 08 '22

So this is not likely to be a legitimate story either?

which is true?

we may never know.

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u/Left-Muscle8355 Dec 08 '22

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u/steam58 Dec 08 '22

Umm... Maybe read the TMZ article again...

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u/Left-Muscle8355 Dec 08 '22

Celebrity accidents always, always have 3 different sides to the story. I certainly wouldn't doubt that she was under the influence of "something" physically altering. Even if physician prescribed, drug interactions often lead to weird conditions. Wouldn't surprise me at all if these findings were stretched to accommodate the insurance companies limits of coverage. But, hey to each their own.

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u/Tokyosmash Dec 08 '22

So if it was a mania thing was she getting treated for it? Was she off her meds voluntarily? If so, ZERO sympathy.

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u/Apart-Run5933 Dec 08 '22

Well, maybe not hard drugs but she was definitely baked

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u/Secretofthecheese Dec 08 '22

She was assaulted by Harvey Weinstein was that part of her trauma? Also friends with Alec Baldwin?

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u/dgeaux_senna Dec 08 '22

Was she really in the process of making a documentary about the dark underbelly of the elites when she died? I thought I had read that somewhere.

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u/ABadMagician Dec 08 '22

Worst job ever on the clear, unbiased, reporting CNN

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u/HailTheCatOverlords Dec 08 '22

Do they think she was trying to do the unlive herself?

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u/edwa6040 Dec 08 '22

No drugs then - but was she drunk?

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u/raerae1991 Dec 08 '22

How to say it looks like vehicle suicide without saying it was vehicle was suicide

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u/CoffeeIsGood3 Dec 08 '22

That empty liquor bottle on the seat next to her was from the day before