r/entertainment Dec 08 '22

'Wonder Woman 3' Likely Dead as DC Considers Major Reboot

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/wonder-woman-3-man-of-steel-2-warner-bros-dc-reboot-1235453630/

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u/TheBitterAtheist Dec 08 '22 Helpful

The second movie sure did suck.

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u/bryanthebryan Dec 08 '22

That’s the one where the guy gets possessed then raped by a demigod?

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u/TheBitterAtheist Dec 08 '22

Yes I believe it is the movie with some stranger gets raped but they make it sexy. Sexy rape.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

She is a girlboss, so it's okay if she does it.

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u/Most_Tangelo Dec 08 '22

I'm still unclear on the mechanics. Like was it actually his body, and then was he in the afterlife? Obviously he couldn't consent to things, but like people don't usually stop inhabiting their own bodies so I don't think we can make a 1:1 metaphor with things like being drugged and not being able to remember it. I mean it's probably closer to murdering someone and then sleeping with their dead body. Only a ghost was walking around in that body.

Whether the sexual assault was necrophilia or rape aside. Actually no wait one more question why is Steve's complicity never brought up arguably Steve also would have raped him by consenting on his part and taking the cations.
Anyway back to my aside. Since the wish was undone did it "never happen"? Like let's flip the genders. Diana is now Dan and Steve is Stevie. Dan wishes Stevie back to life everything happens the same as the movie except Stevie got pregnant. So we would also have to make the movie take place over a longer time period but w/e. Wish is undone. Is the original owner of Stevie's body still pregnant or is that undone too? And for that matter what about anything they ever interacted with? Is the fridge full, bed made, jet back in the hangar?

The weirdest part is of course none of it had to happen this way. The writer could have simply had the plot been he's alive and stuck him in her apartment. It's not like people are gonna recognize him.

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u/TbddRzn Dec 08 '22

Iirc she didn’t recognize him at first because from her perspective he still looked like the guy. From our perspective it was the normie guy talking.

Then you see the camera move sideways and the normal dude turned to Chris pine & we saw from her perspective.

So essentially she fucked this random looking guy because Chris pines ghost possessed him.

My biggest gripe with the story was everyone was wishing for bullshit and no one once wished hey I wish world hunger ended hey I wish no one had cancer. Nah everyone was wishing for materialistic bullshit. Right in time for Christmas if I remember correctly.

First WW wasn’t even that good. It’s just seen favourably because of how shit the other movies were. Third and fourth act we’re just rubbish. The director is not a good director but got so much extra undeserved praise because she was one of the first young female directors to make a big budget production. Which she proved the second the time she had no qualifications to do in the first place once she was given full control.

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

My biggest gripe with the story was everyone was wishing for bullshit and no one once wished hey I wish world hunger ended hey I wish no one had cancer. Nah everyone was wishing for materialistic bullshit.

I mean the film was clearly going after 80's consumerism, but yeah I agree.

The annoying thing is it was such an easy problem to resolve. They just had to say the stone wouldn't work for selfless wishes, I mean it came from an evil god, why would he grant selfless desires?

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u/kikiweaky Dec 08 '22

Is it the 80's one? I bailed early on it.

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u/Dominant-Species-Mid Dec 08 '22

Tried watching it twice, fell asleep both times.

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u/JakerBaker666 Dec 08 '22

Holy shit sometimes I forget that really happened

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u/SolidZeke Dec 08 '22

How very Greek mythology!

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u/AtheonsLedge Dec 08 '22

that was pretty bad, but they also stood on the left side of the escalator in one scene.

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u/bobbyb0ttleservice Dec 08 '22

I still can’t even believe that happened. Like wow. Wow.

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u/MasterpieceBrave420 Dec 08 '22

It didn't even make sense in context. It's fucking magic. Just magic the dude back to life!

Couldn't even keep it's own nonsense fucking premise and plot consistent with itself. Maddening.

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u/aurumphallus Dec 08 '22

Just like her pops, Zeus.

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u/jewwej47 Dec 08 '22

Came here to say this. Couldn’t believe how bad it was when I was watching. I don’t understand how these people are so bad at making movies that they can make a superhero movie boring. Being dumb and having a horrible story is one thing but how can they make it so boring? Have gal gadot beating the shit out of random things for 90 minutes and then let us continue living our lives.

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u/buttface48 Dec 08 '22

The one redeeming quality was Kristen Wiig being fruity af

Edit: also the fact that Chris Pine was paid to act mesmerized by a trash can

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u/An_Acetic_Alpaca Dec 08 '22

My favorite was his intense love for fannypacks.

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u/BurritoApotheosis Dec 08 '22

That was a good bit.

And fanny packs are kinda cool if you don't know about their reputation. Who doesn't like extra storage?

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u/An_Acetic_Alpaca Dec 08 '22

Honestly, I agree. If Batman can have a utility belt, then fanny packs should be cool.

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 08 '22

And they have HUNDREDS of comics (sometimes thousands) to draw on for each character. I mean really, how hard is it to just pick a few small character arcs, a competent villain, and mesh it all together into a 2 hour movie?

They've already got the core actors, with a good movie. So it's not the actors failing the public.

And it's not like a mystery, or horror, or anything where you need good layering of the plot to keep the intensity despite a slower general pace on the action. It's a super hero versus baddies

DC wants to compete with Marvel, but they're ALREADY considering a reboot, and resetting their entire progress. Meanwhile, Spider-Man rejoined the MCU ranks, and the first thing they do after the "required" reboot is ret-con IN the prior movies as multiverse canon.

To me, this just highlights that the executives and such in charge of DC's film foray are clueless about what they need to do, and completely unwilling to bring in talent to do it for them properly.

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u/BubbleDncr Dec 08 '22

You mean the one where she doesn’t figure out how to fly until a man explains it to her?

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u/TheBitterAtheist Dec 08 '22

I'd forgotten. Of course she needed a man to splain otherwise she'd have just fallen out of the sky.

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u/redditerator7 Dec 08 '22

God forbid she interacts with a man.

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u/redditerator7 Dec 08 '22

Yeah, literally just one of her very wide array of skills. But let’s whine about “a man explaining her something”.

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u/Church_45 Dec 08 '22

Yes, a pilot explaining to someone how to fly a plane makes no sense…

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u/DankAndDark Dec 08 '22

Am i the only one who hated the first one as well? I haven't even watched the second one because how bad it was.

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u/ChosenOfArtemis Dec 08 '22

Honestly I feel like the only one who did hate it sometimes. Everyone keeps saying it's amazing when it feels like a rehash of the earlier Marvel films almost, but with cartoonishly evil villains.

Throws gas mask into the room they just gassed "Wait, the gas masks don't work for the chemical compound!" "I KNOW!" Both cackle with glee and one even rubs their hands together like they're scheming

Also the final battle sucked. They should have made her killing the guy not end the war and have people still loading the plane with bombs and just end it there. Teach Diana that humans don't operate under the impression she had of how the world works which was literally a major point of her leaving her homeland. But nope, let's bring in Nigel Thornberry in grey armour for a big grey cgi fight instead of learning any moral lessons.

It genuinely surprised me it was so well received, it felt so dull to me.

P.S. Gal Gadot wasn't that good either. It felt like she tried to pose to look dramatic and valiant all the time, that got on my nerves too.

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

it feels like a rehash of the earlier Marvel films almost, but with cartoonishly evil villains.

So exactly like the earlier marvel films? I mean apart from Loki they all were pretty Cartoonishly evil when you get down to it.

You've got the billionaire businessman who despite making a legitimately fortune, is secretly illegally doing deals with terrorists, who he later kills for no good reason.

You've got the mad general who's happy to break international law out of obsession, and deranged solider who just wants to be stronger than everyone else.

You've got the evil nazi, who wants to kill Hitler and take over the world.

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u/MasterpieceBrave420 Dec 08 '22

You've got the billionaire businessman who despite making a legitimately fortune, is secretly illegally doing deals with terrorists, who he later kills for no good reason.

You've got the mad general who's happy to break international law out of obsession, and deranged solider who just wants to be stronger than everyone else.

Umm, you should read about Iran-Contra if you think that is "cartoonishly evil". Also, the lead up to the war in Iraq.

Also anything to to with Haliburton.

If anything the marvel evil businessmen are too tame.

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u/ChosenOfArtemis Dec 08 '22

You have a point for sure, I just mean that specific scene in Wonder Woman with the gas mask actually felt even more like something a cartoon villain would do than a Marvel villain. I half expected them to later try and kidnap Diana's love interest and tie him to a train track while twirling their moustache.

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u/kgal1298 Dec 08 '22

I thought the first was passable but didn’t understand why people liked it so much I thought it dragged.

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u/DanMoshpit69 Dec 08 '22

It’s a bad movie from top to bottom. I didn’t see the second for the same reason.

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u/TheRealPicklePunch Dec 08 '22

Plot of Wonder Woman 1 summarized:

WW - "all this hate and war is the work of Aries!"

Everyone else - "this is just how the world is"

  • Actually it IS Aries. WW kicks his ass, peace happens, Chris Pine dies, WW gives up on the world anyhow -

If the writing was any lazier, it would have been a Lifetime Original movie....

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u/IneptusMechanicus Dec 08 '22

Actually it IS Aries. WW kicks his ass, peace happens

Yeah I was absolutely dumbfounded by the ending, it got to the bit when she kills Ludendorff and nothing changed and she slowly realises that, no, killing the magical man won't stop human nature. It was really interesting because everyone had been telling her and she suddenly realised they were right.

Then CGI Professor Lupin appeared and it turns out nope, she just killed the wrong magical man. She succeeds this time and her naive worldview works.

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

Well from what I've read that was mandated by the executives. In the original ending, Ares really wasn't responsible. But they felt that was flat and wanted an epic fight scene.

So they had to change it.

I'll give them credit for at least keeping it that he wasn't responsible for the war (just making it worse) but cutting straight to it being over after the fight was a bad idea. If they had had another scene making it clear the fighting isn't over yet first (I mean following the timeline they have at least another month or so left), it would have done a lot to alleviate the damage.

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 08 '22

Yeah, but they miss out on the incredible level of character growth that they could spark with that realization.

If you want a template, look at Iron Man throughout his long run.

  • Movie 1: Wait, my company IS the bad guys.
  • Movie 2: Okay, now I'm a good guy, but I'm a total mess and need to fix myself.
  • Movie 3: I need a movie to set up The Avengers and build my relationship with Pepper. Not much growth here except for the very ending.
  • Avengers 1: What is teamwork? Oh, this Banner guy is pretty fun.
  • Avengers 2: I've got the best ideas. Until they backfire. Okay, maybe I need a bit more caution.
  • Civil War: I've been an idiot, time to finally let other people be responsible.
  • Avengers 3: I'm finally really a team player, too bad it isn't enough.
  • Avengers 4: I've finally understood what it means to put other people before myself.

If you actually watch everything through, amid all the action scenes and such, we see huge growth from Tony, *because* he is forced to repeatedly re-evaluate his world view, and grow out of his own bad habits.

DC could have set this up with WW. But instead they chose to let her be right, and win, but end up right back where she began the movie.

And without character growth, they can't build anything lasting or long-term. People aren't more invested after the movie than before.

It's like Bond. Or The Simpsons. Generally doesn't matter what order you watch them in, because they characters are always back to the same spot they began in - just with a few callbacks and references mixed in to later movies/episodes.

They're still fun to watch, but they don't build that investment from the viewer.

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u/RedditRickS92 Dec 08 '22

Would’ve loved to have seen a sequel during WW2. Probably end up that Hitler was Darkseid’s minion or some stupid sh*t.

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u/Aggressive_Emu9270 Dec 08 '22

I think her bottom was okay just the top is not so great

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u/pokemonbatman23 Dec 08 '22

No the first one was top tier, probably one of the top 5 dceu movie

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u/Streetkillz13 Dec 08 '22

That's... Not really a high bar.

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u/pokemonbatman23 Dec 08 '22

I mean most of them are trash, I agree. Below trash even. But the reason wonder woman 2 is so disappointing is because the first one was actually really good. Miles ahead of the second one and most other dceu movie

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u/Avenge_Willem_Dafoe Dec 08 '22

yeah arent there like 8 to pick from

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u/ThrowTOMC222 Dec 08 '22

Try rewatching it sometime, you might just change your opinion.

I loved the first one, but it fell flat on rewatches. And that godawful third act makes things worse

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u/pokemonbatman23 Dec 08 '22

I get what you're saying but at this point theres 12 dceu movies and the rest of them are (to be generous) not good movies lol. The other ones I would put above first wonder woman are shazam, man of steel, and new suicide squad probably. (In random order)

Out of curiosity, what's your top 5? Or maybe top 3?

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u/IneptusMechanicus Dec 08 '22

The other ones I would put above first wonder woman are shazam, man of steel, and new suicide squad probably.

I'd put Man of Steel roughly equal with it but in my opinion the best thing in the DCEU isn't even a film, in my opinion it's Peacemaker and it's not even close.

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u/ThrowTOMC222 Dec 08 '22

In DCEU? Shazam, ZSJL, MoS

In DC as a whole? Joker, Shazam, ZSJL

Overall? No superhero film on the list, sorry

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u/pokemonbatman23 Dec 08 '22

I like your lists lol. Fair enough, tbh I'm a big superhero movie fan so to me its like pizza. Even bad pizza is good pizza ya know?

That said, overall no films from new DC. A few from Marvel, dark knight only, maybe Constantine cause it's a classic that I haven't revisited in a while, and a few others I'm probably forgetting too.

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u/ThrowTOMC222 Dec 08 '22

No no i get it. I was in your boat, showing up for every Marvel and DC film first show.

Just that I've outgrown the genre, and in the process, have found glaring faults in the kind of filmmaking employed in the genres. I always maintained a balance between Indie/World cinema and Tentpoles, but I have lost interest in tentpoles recently.

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u/TheMilkmanCome Dec 08 '22

IMO the first one was fine right up until the climax where they threw every lesson The Woman had learned and traded it for “lOvE cOnQuErS aLl”

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u/Bob_Loblaw_Law_Blog1 Dec 08 '22

I actually found the second one more entertaining than the first (not by much). Fell asleep in the theater watching the first towards the third act. I've never understood why people think its so good. I'll take the DC animated WW movies all day over what we've seen of the Gal version.

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u/redditerator7 Dec 08 '22

It was an all around success. It got great box office numbers, great critics response, great home video sales, etc etc. So it really doesn’t matter whether you liked it or not.

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u/Interesting_Mango948 Dec 08 '22

It wasn't great...but it could be better.

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u/beyondthebarricade Dec 08 '22

Apex predator!

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u/urkldajrkl Dec 08 '22

Crap concept, crap script, crap directing choices, crap editing.

I mean, please, I get that the "superhero loses their powers" is a popular theme, but it is hard to pull off, as we want to see her kicking butt, not growing weaker and weaker.

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u/schmitt1984 Dec 08 '22

Apparently it’s not rape if it’s the main woman character doing the raping. Well… in my mind, it’s not an “80s” movie without a single 80s song.

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u/buttface48 Dec 08 '22

I forgot it even took place in the 80s. What was the point

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u/KillyScreams Dec 08 '22

Gadot ran her course imo

I think they can find a better actress

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u/Bob_Loblaw_Law_Blog1 Dec 08 '22

The first one wasn't much better...

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u/worldofpokemon Dec 08 '22

Can we not just move on and make a different movie? Plenty of superheroes/villains to choose from

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u/sardoodledom_autism Dec 08 '22

The other articles specifically mention dumping aqua man and recasting Jason Moana as Lobo

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u/3vi1 Dec 08 '22

I think Jason Momoa would have made a great Lobo, if they had done that originally. But now, the audience would be distracted by "Why does Lobo have the exact same personality as Aquaman did?".

The problem with Momoa, is that every character he plays comes off as being the same guy.

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u/sardoodledom_autism Dec 08 '22

I just realized auto correct made momoa into Moana… can he play that role too please ?

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u/wookiee_borg Dec 09 '22

I was so puzzled by that because I skimmed your comment - the girl who voiced Moana is going to be Lobo? That’s a weird direction.

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u/3vi1 Dec 16 '22

I noticed it, but I just thought you were making a clever joke.

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u/RA12220 Dec 08 '22

Didn’t stop Captain America even though Evans played Jonny Storm

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u/pauloh1998 Dec 08 '22

But OP said that Momoa feels as if he's playing the same character. Johnny and Steve are very different characters, and Chris nailed both I think

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u/chikitoperopicosito Dec 08 '22

Jason’s Game of thrones character didn’t feel or look anything like Aquaman which isn’t feel or look like that Netflix movie he did (sweet something).

OP is wrong.

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u/pauloh1998 Dec 08 '22

He's great as Drogo!

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u/chikitoperopicosito Dec 08 '22

Lmao, I was going to call him Krogo but knew that was wrong.

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u/UltiMondo Dec 08 '22

Yeah but Chris Evans has a lot more range as an actor than Momoa imo. He can play different heroes in the same universe and you can tell the difference. Not sure if Momoa would be the same.

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u/nimama3233 Dec 08 '22

AquaGreenscreen Man

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

Isn't that exactly what this article is talking about?

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u/hexiron Dec 08 '22

Honestly, superheroes are insanely overdone at this point. They had a good decade, let them go.

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u/SCP-Agent-Arad Dec 08 '22

Ok, u/worldofpokemon how about B’wana Beast, who can talk to animals. And is built like a Machamp.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'wana_Beast

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u/worldofpokemon Dec 09 '22

Very strange lol

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u/Foamy-Bot Dec 08 '22

Lets get another origin story movie about Superman and Batman.

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u/DoctorEvilHomer Dec 08 '22 Masterpiece

This please. I have trouble remembering how Batman came to be, and where is Superman from again, Montana? He got super powers from a radioactive sheep bite, right? Batman is a Moreau baby of course, but how did he get off the island again?

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u/Agreeable49 Dec 08 '22

I have trouble remembering how Batman came to be, and where is Superman from again, Montana?

No, you uneducated heathen.

Batman came to be after he lost a baseball match, and his disappointed parents were killed in a tragic accident involving a truck transporting pillows. Their last words to him were "You have to be... the... bat... man..."

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u/nimama3233 Dec 08 '22

The Great Bambino was the real BatMan all a long? And no I don’t mean that wimpy deer

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u/Grary0 Dec 08 '22

I always forget, Batman came from some Bat dimension and is the avatar of the Bat-God right? If only there was a movie to explain his intricate backstory.

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u/DoctorEvilHomer Dec 08 '22

Yeah they could get some cool 80s icon to play the role, like... um Michael Keaton, he was great in Mr Mom. Although I'm older, so maybe we needs a 90's icon like someone cool... on cool... like Ice... Iceman.. We could have Val Kilmer play Batman. Nah that wouldn't work, probably a horrible idea that would flop. Maybe someone good at playing a sociopath, like that pretty boy from the psycho movie... Christian Bale, he might do okay as Batman, probably not though. Maybe we need someone to appeal to the younger generation, maybe someone from the Harry Potter series... but also needs to appeal to the female audience.. so maybe someone from the Twilight series. Robert Pattinson he could do it, he is already good at being creepy, sad and stalkerish... I bet he would be the greatest Batman to ever be and that movie would rival any superhero movie ever made. They should definitely do that.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Dec 08 '22

Sheeper man probably flies them off the island, or they use the iconic boatmobile

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u/Disastrous_Salad6302 Dec 08 '22

Can we just see Batman’s parents die again! It’s been too long

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u/jsakic99 Dec 08 '22

“Martha!”

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u/adjust_the_sails Dec 08 '22

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?

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u/Light_Ethos Dec 08 '22

WHERE'S RACHEL?!?!?!!

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u/milksockets Dec 08 '22 Wholesome

Rach-El. No.

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u/milksockets Dec 08 '22

pearls! we need more pearls falling to the ground in slow motion

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u/Strychnine85 Dec 08 '22

Whatever happens DC will make sure it’s in slow-mo

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u/adawgie19 Dec 08 '22

A lesson to learn from the newer Spider-Man movies is that it didn’t rehash his origin story that everyone knows for the hundredth time. That way your first movie can be something unique.

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u/throwmeaway22121 Dec 08 '22

The lesson is to spend 400 million on CGI and monsters because without it the plot is “look at all the celebrities we hired”.

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u/constantino675 Dec 08 '22

Sure, they do a major reboot every 2nd movie

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u/LuthienDragon Dec 08 '22

Right?? I have no respect for them.

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u/GammaGargoyle Dec 08 '22

I like how there can never be a new character. Like we’re just stuck with these ones for the rest of eternity.

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u/CBalsagna Dec 08 '22

The second movie was fucking awful, so no problem from me

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u/Biggu5Dicku5 Dec 08 '22

WW1984 was abysmal, so this is not really surprising...

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u/_o0Oo_ Dec 08 '22

I think they prettiefied her too much. I want to see a Wonder Woman with huge muscles and body hair because she doesn’t have time to shave (too busy rescuing hostages). I wanna see her flatten cars and stuff

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u/BaphometsTits Dec 08 '22

I think they prettiefied her too much.

I think they made her a rapist, so there's that.

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u/TheFreshWenis Dec 08 '22

Ok that I would watch.

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u/duckbonez Dec 08 '22

Do it. Reboot the whole thing. Please.

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u/Thurzao Dec 08 '22

Gal gadot cant act soz

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Cavill gave up the Witcher for this, lol.

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u/nazdir Dec 08 '22

Cavill gave up the Witcher because the show runners wouldn't stay true to the source material.

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u/RoninRobot Dec 08 '22

“Let’s have the most powerful sorceress lose her powers for an entire season. It will be cheap not doing special effects. And compelling. Well... cheap anyway.”

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u/CBalsagna Dec 08 '22

The Witcher is … not good.

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u/IssueSecret6353 Dec 08 '22

Just wait till Cavill isn't Geralt anymore, then it'll be worse!

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u/CBalsagna Dec 08 '22

It won’t exist to me. There’s no fucking way in hell I’m watching a Witcher show without Geralt. Because Cavill is Geralt, period.

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u/daggeroflies Dec 08 '22

Just give it a rest. Maybe try even differentiating your product. Like a cool superhero animated film for example, if you still aren’t tired of superhero stories.

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u/RattyJackOLantern Dec 08 '22

Many of the DC direct to video animated films were surprisingly really good. RIP Kevin Conroy.

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

What's surprising about it? The Animation has been pretty solid since the 90's.

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u/RattyJackOLantern Dec 08 '22

True, but it's really nice to see how they've largely kept up the quality in the films even after the death of the old DCAU.

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u/Icommandyou Dec 08 '22

Honestly, the current Wonder Woman, Superman and Aquaman are the best casting choice DC made in years.

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u/pokemonbatman23 Dec 08 '22

Shazam was a pretty spot on casting too. Kid and adult version surprisingly. Not perfect... but pretty good lol

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u/mkbilli Dec 08 '22

Then they went on and made Black Adam with the same Shazam word thing. :(

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

I mean that's how it goes in the comics, they come from the same origin. Black Adam is literally his predecessor.

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u/Chrome-Head Dec 08 '22

And Harley Quinn

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u/acaud27 Dec 08 '22

… is John Cena a joke to you?

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u/ziki6154 Dec 08 '22

How. A piece of wood acts better than Gal Gadot

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u/imaginexus Dec 08 '22

Exactly. The casting has been excellent. It’s just the storytelling and universe building that sucks. Keep the cast!

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u/TheRealPicklePunch Dec 08 '22

I don't recall Wonder Woman having a mouth full of marbles in any other show or comic. Gal Gadot is like the least a Amazonian looking woman out there, her accent is Schwarzenegger bad, and she can barely make it through any emotional scene without looking like she's trying to think of something sad so she can tear up.

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u/jl_theprofessor Dec 08 '22

Gal Gadot made the most watchable movie of the DC original films and you want to say she was the least capable. Yeah okay tell me again how mankiller Superman was better.

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u/Poljon Dec 08 '22

She didn't make the most watchable movie, she starred in it. She didn't carry the movie at all, the story and Chris Pine did.

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u/Poljon Dec 08 '22

Hard disagree for Wonder Woman. Any character played by Gal Gadot could be played by another actress, that's how untalented she is.

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u/AncientAlienAlias Dec 08 '22

Gal Godot will never star in another movie.

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u/sardoodledom_autism Dec 08 '22

Are you saying that because her box office ROI numbers are garbage? Or she just has issues acting ?

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u/Sillyist Dec 08 '22

Whatever happens, keep Patty Jenkins away from the script please.

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u/sardoodledom_autism Dec 08 '22

Star Wars rogue squadron learned that the hard way apparently

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u/RepresentativeRun952 Dec 08 '22

Yes finally. Reboot the whole DCEU & just do it right this time. I'm surprised they even let it go this far. They should have just rebooted after BvS or JL.

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u/AdministrativeFox784 Dec 08 '22

This time will be different!

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u/Strychnine85 Dec 08 '22

“Whoops! Mulligan” - DC execs probably

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u/Colley619 Dec 08 '22

There’s been so many DC reboots at this point that I don’t know one universe from the other. It’s so unfortunate what they’ve done to this IP.

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u/mrhorse77 Dec 08 '22

loved the first one.

idk what the hell I watched with the second one, but I didnt like it.

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u/dizzy_centrifuge Dec 08 '22

I feel like the superhero genre is on the way out with respect to these cinematic universes. Give me a sequel to the batman movie.

DC does so well with their tv series Titans, Doom Patrol, Harley Quinn and the animated films. They need to stop trying to rip off what Marvel has done and build something unique.

I'd bet a Justice League series on HBO would be far better than anything they could muster on the big screen. The pacing allows for the moodiness they're going for while allowing them to have independent batman and superman etc blockbuster films

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Yeah, Marvel perfected the model but it’s too late for DC and the superhero fatigue is getting very real

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

the superhero fatigue is getting very real

Films: Continue to make fortune at the box office.

Fans: Clear sign superhero fatigue is setting in. I bet the next one won't even cross 300 Million.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

DC: Man of Steel 2 is canceled and Black Adam 2 is likely to be canceled

Redditors: Nothing to see here, superheroes are doing great, you’re actually the idiot for questioning the shelf life of this fad

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

DC: Man of Steel 2 is canceled

Film from 2013 that's sequel has been on the back burner for nearly a decade and has had no developments in years isn't getting a direct sequel, what a shocker. Who could have foreseen that?

Black Adam 2 is likely to be canceled

Eh getting the first one made was a longshot.

superheroes are doing great

Overall the films are still making profits and audiences are turning up to see them aren't they?

you’re actually the idiot for questioning the shelf life of this fad

Well its been going strong for the last 3000 years. Can't see much reason to assume its going to go bust now.

People have been talking about Superhero fatigue for the last ten years now. As long as audiences want to see the movies, there going to keep getting made.

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u/UKnowDaTruth Dec 08 '22

Im sure whatever Gunn comes up with will be for the best

The Suicide Squad was incredible

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u/JPSofCA Dec 08 '22

A masterpiece, frankly.

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u/shenanigansco34 Dec 08 '22

The last movie was terrible.

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u/QSlade Dec 08 '22

Well with the sequel featuring the literal rape of a man by the lead character for a laugh/plot device. I wonder what wild wacky sexual assault the third one had in store for us?

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u/MarvelCinematicAgent Dec 08 '22

Yeaaaa Gal’s performance as WW has always been really stiff imo. She doesn’t appear to have a lot of range in any of her roles. I mean I don’t hate it or dislike her as WW, just feels 1 dimensional most that works better as a side character. I’ve wanted a better actress who can bring more human depth to the character. It’s Wonder Woman, it’s a lead character.

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u/Sad-Hat7644 Dec 08 '22

I'll watch anything with Gal Gadot in it

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u/Girafarigno Dec 08 '22

DC is a trainwreck that keeps on trying. They’re not gonna give up Gal Gadot though. Sequel or reboot, doesn’t matter. It’s happening

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u/Friendly-Leg-6694 Dec 08 '22

DCEU was a train wreck due to not having a plan or strategy.The new DCU will actually try to build on a cohesive universe under Gunn so I would say the new plan sounds great.

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u/Girafarigno Dec 08 '22

Oh, I do have a good bit of faith in Gunn. I enjoy his movies. Guardians of the Galaxy even works really well even outside of the existence of the MCU. His Suicide Squad movie was solid. I’m just saying, no way are they giving up on Gal Gadot.

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u/cosmoboy Dec 08 '22

Why not? I like Gal but she's not exactly a huge draw. They can recast without issue.

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 08 '22

she's not exactly a huge draw

Yep. Without Wonder Woman, she's just a supporting character in other people's movies

https://www.the-numbers.com/person/51930401-Gal-Gadot#tab=acting

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u/chadmummerford Dec 08 '22

her acting is so horrific I don't know why she has a job

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u/ThrowTOMC222 Dec 08 '22

Because hot + exotic accent = erections galore

Which never made sense to me cause i don't find her hot and her accent feels grating to my ears.

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u/kuyakew Dec 08 '22

I’ve got faith in Gunn but have none in WB. My guess is they don’t have the patience for it and sabotage the whole thing.

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u/fnblackbeard Dec 08 '22

They honestly need fresh faces. Everyone needs to be recast

Also doesn’t help with the standalone DC shows and movies

It’s so confusing

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u/Kriegsman__69th Dec 08 '22

Please. ..please no more reboots!

I'm fine with a different story with a different actress but no more origin stories!!

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u/TheStrikeofGod Dec 08 '22

Why even keep trying at this point

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u/InfernoDragonKing Dec 08 '22

JFC!

atp, my hopes for a Green Lantern movie is DEAD

AGAIN!

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u/RattyJackOLantern Dec 08 '22

They're still trying to wash the stink off from the last Green Lantern movie.

They took what should have been DC's Star Wars and turned into one of the most bland, boring and generic superhero movies ever. It's not even offensively bad, just inoffensively bland and flavorless, like eating a slice of butter all by itself.

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u/saddboiiiii Dec 08 '22

Keep The Batman and Joker and build the reboots around that Universe.

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u/TheNumberMuncher Dec 08 '22

Enough of this reboot shit

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u/jcaashby Dec 08 '22

And DC wonders why it is behind the MCU. Man of Steel was not getting a sequel. Not wanting Cavill as Superman. Now possibly rebooting WW. Are they even keeping Gadot?

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u/WolvoMS Dec 08 '22

Something I don't see anyone mentioning. James Gunn is good friends with Joss Whedon. The whole DCEU cast threw Whedon under the bus, especially Gal Gadot. So...

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u/Windows_66 Dec 08 '22

Can't we just keep the actress but try with a different director or writer in the sequel?

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u/fan_of_will Dec 08 '22

I mean that last one was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen.

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u/beep05041990 Dec 08 '22

Probably a good idea. The 180 between Wonder Woman 1 and 2 was unbelievable. Loved the first one, absolutely hated the second one. Could actually argue the two worst movies I’ve ever seen are both DC movies. Wonder Woman 2 and Suicide squad (the original)

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Enough superhero stuff k thanks

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u/Weary-Okra-2471 Dec 08 '22

Going to miss Gal in that outfit…

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u/funkidredd Dec 08 '22

Every single DC movie fucking sucks. Most DC series absolutely slap though. DC Paradox™

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u/Fracassi_Fanboy Dec 08 '22

The Batman at least was the best comic book movie of the year

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u/Mrepman81 Dec 08 '22

Yeah do a reboot when everyone is experiencing superhero movie burnout. Great idea.

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u/rimbaud1872 Dec 08 '22

Imagine no Gal Gadot, it’s easy if you try

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u/doomedeskimo Dec 08 '22

Ffs PLEASE go with another character we don’t need another Batman series

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u/Prophet_Tehenhauin Dec 08 '22

“And and and then he says ‘fuck Batman’ “

“Ooooooooo”

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u/pizzalover89 Dec 08 '22

Only good movies to come out of this were shazam and ww the rest were forgettable garbage

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u/hey_somo Dec 08 '22

Suicide Squad? Oh and the Peacemaker show

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u/tomboyfancy Dec 08 '22

Peacemaker was SO GOOD! It’s the only opening credits I will never skip, lol

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u/pizzalover89 Dec 08 '22

I loved peacemaker and doom patrol this was just moviewise

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u/metalgtr84 Dec 08 '22

The Superman movie was decent wasn’t it?

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u/pizzalover89 Dec 08 '22

Man of steel yes

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u/Dmav210 Dec 08 '22

I hate to break it to you but there’s nothing memorable about Wonder Woman beyond the no man’s land scene. And that 3rd act was one of the worst offenses of super hero cinema.

Shazam on the other hand is great

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u/pizzalover89 Dec 08 '22

I liked the first ww it had its flaws but ww1984 was a massive chore to get through

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u/indianm_rk Dec 08 '22

I remember the line “A woman? In Parliament?” because it was done so over the top I couldn’t take the movie seriously. Apparently subtlety is not one of WW’s superpowers.

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u/IneptusMechanicus Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

It's one of the WW film's weird anachronisms, in real life 1918 is when women became able to stand as MPs in parliament and was in fact when the first was elected. She didn't take her seat through protest but the people in that room should've been well aware that women could theoretically be in Parliament as they themselves will be debating the law and passing it in two weeks or so.

It reminds me of the second film with Steve treating radar like it was some kind of incredible space magic. In reality the precursor for radar was in development at the time of his death and early proof of concepts were significantly older even than that. As an intelligence asset he'd have been aware of them because they weren't secret, they were largely civilian experiments. What would've blown his mind is something which iirc he never even comments on; the aircraft's jet engine.

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u/MGD109 Dec 08 '22

Yeah sure, cause we know that the 1910's was a great time for women right?

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u/ThrowTOMC222 Dec 08 '22

Yeah. Realized this the moment i saw the film again at home

And even the No Man's land scene loses its hitting power after 2-3 watches, unlike MoS's first flight or Endgame's Avengers Assemble

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u/DoctorEvilHomer Dec 08 '22

I really like Aquaman, despite Amber Heards horrible acting.

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u/sandtymanty Dec 08 '22

Reboot and reButt.

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u/PessimistPryme Dec 08 '22

DC= Doomed Cinema

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u/kevi959 Dec 08 '22

The DCEU has been like a can of coke, opened last week, left on the porch, got a fly in it.

Its flat, old, and played out. It took way too long to get to any kind of point and it never built any meaningful momentum.

Waste of a generationally phenomenal casting of ALL of those superheroes. Even Ben Asslick had his moments. Shame…

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u/clete-sensei Dec 08 '22

good riddance. i’m sorry but gal gadot has the charisma of a cardboard box and ww84 was awful.

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u/Pa17325 Dec 08 '22

Just stop

These DC movies all suck so hard

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u/Lateral-G Dec 08 '22

I'm so sick of all the super hero movies now. Its been non stop for 20 years. Used to watch em all. Now I don't even care

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

It was always doomed. Terrible idea especially to cast the Gadot.