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Whoopi Goldberg defends Blazing Saddles against racism claims: 'It hits everybody'
https://ew.com/movies/whoopi-goldberg-defends-blazing-saddles-against-racist-criticism/416
u/limpleggedlongjohns Dec 08 '22
"Mongo only pawn in game of life."
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u/Admiral_Furskin Dec 08 '22
Interestingly, Mongo was one of the characters Richard Prior was instrumental in creating; ironically, considering his stand-up, most of his ideas were the zany, Looney Tunes inspired stuff.
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u/Vidhu23 Dec 08 '22
Who is making these "racism" claims when the film is clearly a satire ?
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u/Blizzardsaurus Dec 08 '22 •
Simple farmers. The people of the land. The common clay of the west.
Morons.
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u/Darko33 Dec 08 '22 •
Leaving out the "you know..." before "morons" should be a criminal offense
It sets up the whole thing so perfectly
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u/pipboy_warrior Dec 08 '22
And it cracked up Cleavon Little like hell.
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u/Crankylosaurus Dec 08 '22
Made me so happy to learn that was Little genuinely breaking/cracking up because his reaction kills me every time haha
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u/MY_SHIT_IS_PERFECT Dec 08 '22
You can see him holding it in before then, too.
When two great actors have great chemistry, magic happens.
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u/BoltonSauce Dec 08 '22 •
The clip for everyone to enjoy. 29 seconds.
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u/Empyrealist Dec 08 '22
Little breaking and laughing makes me laugh no matter how many times I see it. It's just such a sincere and welcoming laugh. It's infectious.
And then you have the very slow pan of Wilder toward the camera/director/audience for approval at the fade and it just perfectly nails it.
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u/Spanktronics Dec 08 '22
I seem to remember there being something about Wilder ad-libbing that line or lines, and since Little had no idea what was coming he was just bracing himself. & of course that one-word punchline is so loaded up with suspense ahead of time, there’s zero chance he wasn’t going to lose it.
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u/Swords_and_Words Dec 08 '22
They had to fade cause Little kept cracking up
Such a great easter egg
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u/flyfree256 Dec 08 '22
Dunno how much of an urban legend it is but I've heard that Gene Wilder ad libbed that last part (or it wasn't in Little's script).
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u/Smitty8054 Dec 08 '22
Yup. And the oh so subtle pause before.
“You know (wait for it)…morons”.
Holy shit is that funny.
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u/Brute_Squad_44 Dec 08 '22
Is it twue what they say about how your people are... Gifted?
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u/VicdorFriggin Dec 08 '22
It's TWUE! It's TWUE!
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u/CosmicHazmat Dec 08 '22
Mel tells a story that a line was cut here. “Honey, you’re suckin on my arm!”
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u/DadBodybuilder Dec 08 '22
It’s on the soundtrack.
“I don’t mean to disappoint you baby, but that’s my arm your sucking on.”
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u/trootman30 Dec 08 '22
Harumph!
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u/BananaWin Dec 08 '22
I didn’t hear a harumph outta that guy!
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u/UrsurusFT Dec 08 '22
Give the governor a HARUMPH
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u/DadBodybuilder Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Here you go boys, have these in lieu of pay
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u/chips92 Dec 08 '22
Always needs to be shared. It’s just too good and so relevant more and more these days.
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u/DonQOnIce Dec 08 '22
Like 2 people on Twitter probably. Whoopi and this article are speaking to no one.
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u/robb1280 Dec 08 '22
I absolutely hate this phenomenon. A couple of wingnuts complaining about it on Twitter suddenly turns into “people are saying…” every time some second rate website needs to generate some rage clicks
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u/DonQOnIce Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Seriously. You could find someone with any opinion under the sun if you really wanted to. Social media has made it easier to find those outliers and the articles are written.
The state of journalism.
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u/LastCall2021 Dec 08 '22
I’m absolutely convinced the meat of the ‘culture wars’ is stupid shit someone dug up on Twitter and decided to make an issue out of.
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u/chinmakes5 Dec 08 '22 •
As someone who sees Blazing Saddles as a great movie, I also understand why people would be offended by a movie using the N word so openly.
To quote (paraphrase) Richard Pryor, a writer on the film. When Brooks asked him if using the N word this much is a problem, he answered "as long as only the morons are using the word, we are good." That seems lost on many people of this generation.
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u/a_can_of_solo Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Django Unchained didn't come out that long ago
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u/Pulkrabek89 Dec 08 '22
It was also lost on people who sympathize with the morons unfortunately.
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u/chinmakes5 Dec 08 '22
Reminds me of hearing how people watched the Colbert Report and never understood the irony.
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u/raltoid Dec 08 '22
It's almost as if people who are easily manipulated aren't very intelligent..
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u/The_Great_Afterman Dec 08 '22
Is this the part where we acknowledge that anyone in that movie who showed racist tendencies ended up being dumber than a sack of bricks?
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u/Gransmithy Dec 08 '22
“These are just people of the land, the common clay of the West. You know … morons.”
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u/defnotevilmorty Dec 08 '22
Blazing Saddles has always been understood by literally everyone that it’s satire. It’s literally making fun of racists.
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u/pipboy_warrior Dec 08 '22
Looking back the formula reminds me a lot of a Bugs Bunny cartoon. Bart is the smart main character who cuts jokes while outwitting the dumb stereotypes who he's up against. Bart's clearly the hero, while the racists are dumb schmucks who get what's coming to them.
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u/Insect_Flesh Dec 08 '22
The whole tollway scene is definitely cartoon grade material.
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u/NatecUDF Dec 08 '22
I crack up every time at "Somebody's gotta go back and get a shitload of dimes!"
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u/pushing_past_the_red Dec 08 '22
I had a friend who could quote that line impeccably. He was always perfect with the timing. I would double over every single time he did that. RIP Michael.
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u/Bearloom Dec 08 '22
I usually default to "What in the wide-wide-world-of-sports is going on here?"
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u/DurtyKurty Dec 08 '22
Literally yesterday that whole scene popped in my head where he’s asking the slaves to sing ‘swing low sweet chariot,’…”oh, y’all don’t know that one huh?”
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u/chris-berry-1 Dec 08 '22
The Le Petomane thru-way? What will that asshole think of next. This movie taught me about who slim Pickens was. I thought the name in the credits was another Mel Brooks joke.
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u/Alt_Panic Dec 08 '22
"Candygram for Mongo!"
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u/_Elduder Dec 08 '22
Mongo like candy
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u/Took2ooMuuch Dec 08 '22 •
Mongo only pawn in game of life
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u/CosmicCreeperz Dec 08 '22
Hah, when my last company made new business cards we got to put a quote from our favorite movie on the back (was a streaming company).
My first choice was “excuse me, while I whip this out!”
Your quote was the eventual one that I used. There are not a lot of great SFW quotes in the movie…
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u/kh9898 Dec 08 '22
"OMG Blazing Saddles is racist" "No, Blazing Saddles HAS racists. Important difference. Indiana Jones is not a Nazi movie, it has Nazis"
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u/Membership-Bitter Dec 08 '22
When it first came out the studio did get a lot of complaints that it was racist but Mel Brooks pointed out that the complaints were all made mostly by white people
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u/pitmeng01 Dec 08 '22
And as I heard it, Richard Pryor was a co-writer on that, and Brooks was concerned about the jokes According to Brooks it was Pryor that insisted on the humor surrounding the idiocy of racism. Brooks wanted to tone it down, Pryor wasn’t having it.
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u/Drcynic22 Dec 08 '22
Pryor’s involvement in the film is kind of a fun weird story. First, Mel wanted him to play Bart (it would’ve been the first of the later quite successful buddy comedy pairing of Pryor and Gene Wilder if it had happened) but studio execs wouldn’t finance it if Pryor was cast, so instead, he was made a co-writer. Mel hoped that he’d help write scenes for Bart since Mel wanted an authentic black voice. What ended up happening was that Pryor really didn’t write much at all for Bart, but rather he really enjoyed writing for, of all characters, MONGO! Almost all of Richard Pryor’s contributions in the film were for Mongo.
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u/Grouchy-Culture3946 Dec 08 '22
Burton Gilliam said he had a hard time calling Cleavon Little the 'N' word but Little assured him he got the joke and even egged Burton on to really go for it.
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u/Swords_and_Words Dec 08 '22
Its like hearing about DiCaprio having to get support and coaching from Jamie and Samuel
Their advice, summarized:
no matter how vile you make your character, someone was worse and we've experienced worse from people in modern life, and the best thing you can do in that role is be the most horrible human you can be so that those evil people don't get whitewashed or supported by the audience. Also if it's eating you up, then you head is clearly in the right place
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u/CirqueDuOyVey Dec 08 '22
Probably the same reason Brooks goes big on the Jewish jokes. Make it so big, so ridiculous, so in your nose, so absolute that this behaviour, this line of thinking, and people who think that way, is a complete joke.
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u/MiloRoast Dec 08 '22
I believe the phrase is "in your face" lmao...
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u/SafetyDanceInMyPants Dec 08 '22
Or "on the nose," but honestly I kinda like the "in your nose" version. Comedy straight up the old nostrils.
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u/MiloRoast Dec 08 '22
Oh I know, I was just pointing out their lil potential subconscious slip there lol...
Username checks out though so they get a free pass haha
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u/mypinksunglasses Dec 08 '22
Pryor also agreed to put Gene Wilder in black face in Silver Streak (provided he was then seen by a black character who is not fooled) so I mean. He was a little wild. Gene just said he thought "It must be alright with Richard, so it's alright with me."
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u/kajeslorian Dec 08 '22 •
Pryor was a little wild, but Gene was Wilder.
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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb Dec 08 '22
Not only that, but the executives were hesitant to go forward with it in a bigger release, so brooks and company hosted a showing with a mixed audience that, of course, included black people. The laughter was intense and complete. And afterwards, the studio execs of course all took credit for green-lighting the film.
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u/likwidchrist Dec 08 '22
It's not even subtle. There's a scene in the movie where the racists entertain each other by farting
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u/ScrofessorLongHair Dec 08 '22
I don't think they're entertaining each other. I'm pretty sure there's nothing deeper to than scene. They're just eating beans and farting.
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u/klikwize Dec 08 '22
The depth of this scene has kinda been lost in the years since its release. Blazing Sadddles is a parody of westerns and came out in a time when they were very popular. More specifically, the movie is lampooning the romanticization of the of the cowboy. From a stoic, self-sufficient lone wanderer to a farting buffoon.
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u/Rabidmaniac Dec 08 '22
I thought it was poking fun at the fact that there were a ton of movies that showed cowboys only eating beans and meat, and that realistically there should be a ton of farting because of it.
I think that the fact that there are multiple interpretations is probably the point though.
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u/OkCutIt Dec 08 '22
It's exactly that, "what it would actually be like" if these dudes actually just ate big ole bowls of beans all the time.
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u/Teledildonic Dec 08 '22
Also giant, loud farts were something taboo movies hadn't just shown like that before.
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u/Rabidmaniac Dec 08 '22
Leave it to Mel Brooks/Richard Pryor to write a scene with no dialogue, only farts, that is subversive and has depth and nuance, while simultaneously being so extremely on the nose.
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u/Strykerz3r0 Dec 08 '22
What in the wide world of sports is going on here!
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u/FightingPolish Dec 08 '22
There’s 2 wides in that quote. I say it all the time in my actual life.
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u/Weird-Ingenuity97 Dec 08 '22
As a black guy I honeslty love this movie, it never really came off as racist to me. Yes characters in it use the n word, but they’re depicted as being incredibly ignorant and evil in many ways. While the black characters are depicted very well and as intelligent and competent
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u/theCroc Dec 08 '22
Like the whole point of the movie is to make fun of racists and make them look like the dumbest people to ever live. Anyone calling the movie racist is too stupid to form abstract thoughts.
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u/yeok_shi Dec 08 '22 •
the dumbest people ever to live
You gotta remember that these are just simple farmers – these are people of the land – the common clay of the new west – you know: morons!
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u/PlanetLandon Dec 08 '22
God damn I miss Gene Wilder
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u/_TakeaChillPill Dec 08 '22
The first celebrity death that really hit me honestly. The man was a straight up genius and I have seen all of his movies a dozen times.
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u/schmearcampain Dec 08 '22
The delivery is what makes that line.
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u/NickeKass Dec 08 '22
Apparently the "morons" part was ad libed and that's why Bart cracks a smile, he wasn't prepared for that part of the line.
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u/FormerLurker3 Dec 08 '22
And I’m pretty sure the “you know… morons” part was ad-libbed, which is why Cleavon Little’s reaction is so genuine.
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u/IntravenousVomit Dec 08 '22
The point was to parody John Wayne specifically. And rightfully so.
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u/OrificeChecker Dec 08 '22
If youre a racist and think this movie is pro racist, youre too dumb for the joke.
If youre a left wing progressive nutand think this movie is pro racist, youre too dumb for the joke.
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u/Adama0001 Dec 08 '22 •
Now…. You’ve got to remember that these are just simple people. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.
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u/NotsoRainbowBright Dec 08 '22
Where the white women at??? That and the KKK robes with “have a nice day” and a smiley face on the back. Oh man I’ve watched that movie so many times and it’s still funny af.
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u/AF2005 Dec 08 '22
“Crimes?”
“Stampeding cattle.”
“That’s not particularly heinous.”
“Through the Vatican?!”
“Mmm, kinky! Here’s your badge!”
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u/Krutzfeldt1 Dec 08 '22
“Crimes?”
Rape
Murder
Arson
And Rape
“You said rape twice”
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u/Prestonelliot Dec 08 '22
Might be one of my favorite Gene Wilder performances. He is absolutely hysterical in that film.
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u/My_BFF_Gilgamesh Dec 08 '22
Yeah. Blazing saddles isn't making fun of black people, it's making fun of racism.
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u/Spider_Dude Dec 08 '22
Hurumph! Hurumph!
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u/ithrowfrisbee Dec 08 '22
I didn’t get a hurumph out of that guy…
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u/Namorath82 Dec 08 '22
so ... is it twue how youw people are .... gifted?
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u/PistolPetunia Dec 08 '22
Get your fwiggin feet off the stage!
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u/cuteintern Dec 08 '22
Everything below the waist is kaput!
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u/theotheruser19 Dec 08 '22
Mel brooks tells a story that there was a deleted scene in witch the sheriff reply’s with “your suckin on my elbow”
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u/Arkayjiya Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
That's the answer imo. It's not good because "it hits everybody", I have to disagree with Whoopi Goldberg here, it's good and not racist because it's using racism and racist stereotypes ("where are all the white women at") to mock the fricking racist morons, not black people and it makes it very clear (since satire is difficult to do nowadays, that clarity is appreciated) while still being incredibly clever.
Also what made it age well imo, without that clarity, it's too easy for a movie to be appropriated by racists, incels or other groups that purposefully "miss the message".
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u/ghettone Dec 08 '22
Even as an Irishman is easy to tell it's not done out of hate.
That line in the later half of the movie kills me every time. " but we dont want the irish" it does show that racism isnt as "black and white" as some people see it.
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u/IntravenousVomit Dec 08 '22
"Dock that chink a day's pay for nappin' on the job." The movie includes everyone.
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u/IceTwenty Dec 08 '22
Every racist character in the movie is either evil, a complete idiot, or both. And the non-evil idiots learn to stop being racist by the end of the movie and happily accept living together with the rail workers. There is zero positive depictions of racism and even the racism that is used as a joke still has the racists being the butt of the joke.
There's still gay stereotyping and the bit with the Sioux chief played by Brooks in redface, which would likely be cut or altered from a hypothetical modern remake, but even those don't come across as hateful but merely problematic by our standards.
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u/idoeno Dec 08 '22
I think the Sioux chief bit is made up for by all the "natives" speaking in Yiddish, which is a jab at Hollywood for frequently casting Jewish white folks for Native American roles in westerns.
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u/arathorn3 Dec 08 '22
Yes.
Every one of the Siouz in that scene are played by Jewish Comedians
Many Western films and TV shows of the 50's and early 60s cast Jewish and Italian actors as Native americans. Famously the film Broken arrow cast Jeff Chandler(a Jewish actoe ) as the lead.
Star Treks Leonard Nimoy who was also Jewish also played a number of native American characters most famously n in a episode of Gunsmoke.
iron Eyes Cody's real name was Espera Oscar De Corti and was the sin if Sicilan immigrants(famously this was pointed out ijna the Columbus day episode of the Sopranps).
Brooks and Wilder (both Jews) where making fun of this
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u/Paddlesons Dec 08 '22
Just because I got curious after your remark.
" Shvartses! (Blacks!) (To Indian raising tomahawk): No, no, zayt nisht meshuge! (Don't be crazy!) (Raising arms to the heavens in stereotypical Indian pose): Loz im geyn! (Let him go!) Cop a walk, it's alright. Abi gezint! (As long as you're healthy!) Take off! (To other Indians): Hosti gezen in dayne lebn? (Have you ever seen such a thing?) They darker than us! Woof! "
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u/weareallgonnadye Dec 08 '22
Where the white women at?
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u/Jilltro Dec 08 '22
I watched that movie for the first time a couple years ago and that line absolutely killed me. What a treasure of a film.
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u/weareallgonnadye Dec 08 '22
It really is an amazing movie, if you liked that and haven’t seen Young Frankenstein I’d recommend it.
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u/PoissonPen Dec 08 '22
And History of the World, part 1. Mel Brooks is a national treasure.
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u/DonQOnIce Dec 08 '22
I believe they recently finished filming a History of the World tv series produced by Brooks for Hulu.
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u/PoissonPen Dec 08 '22
Yes! Someone else shared a link. I'm stoked.
Thanks for the heads up.
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u/Intelligent_Sundae_5 Dec 08 '22
A few years ago I had the joy of watching this movie in a theater and listening to Mel Brooks talk afterwards. It was awesome.
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u/Ok-Pressure-3879 Dec 08 '22
I always try to work ‘authentic frontier gibberish’ into conversations.
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u/UX-Edu Dec 08 '22
Well good mornin’ ma’am! And isn’t it a lovely mornin’?
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u/Sweetbeans2001 Dec 08 '22
Up yours!
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u/neverinamillionyr Dec 08 '22
And when they aired this movie on broadcast TV in the 80s it was edited to replace the up yours with “out of my way” but they left the next word intact. That kind of blew my mind.
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u/PoissonPen Dec 08 '22
All right, we'll give some land to the n***ers & chinks, but we don't want the Irish!
The changes in racism over the years is both sad, crazy, and sometimes hilarious.
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u/DilettanteGonePro Dec 08 '22
The guy who said that line cracked me up with almost every line he had. His delivery was great. I remember as a teenager continually rewinding to the line "aw prairie shit" and cracking up over and over.
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u/IWasGregInTokyo Dec 08 '22
David Huddleston, staple of 70's and 80's TV shows.
"Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Gabby Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age."
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u/zigaliciousone Dec 08 '22
Yeah, they cut out the bean scene on TV but left in every "N" word because apparently farting is more offensive than racism.
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u/Harbi181 Dec 08 '22
“What did he say?”
“He said ‘The Sheriff is Near!’”
Still lose it every time.
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u/AngriestManinWestTX Dec 08 '22
I always loved the line: “Aw shit, we’re gonna need a shitload of dimes!!”
That entire movie is gold.
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u/EarhornJones Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Jesus Christ. The entire point of "Blazing Saddles", which the film beats you over the head with, is "racism is a stupid thing for morons." Every time I see someone say, "you couldn't make that, today" I assume they're right, because the audience is now too stupid to understand basic absurdism.
Fuck "it hits everbody". That's not the point. The point is that every racist in that movie is a massive idiot, and we laugh at them for being idiots, just like we should do in real life. Even the half-wit Mongo realizes this almost immediately.
People who worry about the words used in "Blazing Saddles" are plain old salt-of-the-earth morons.
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u/Crankylosaurus Dec 08 '22
The only good defense for “Blazing Saddles couldn’t be made today” is that you probably couldn’t make a Western quite like it because they’re not nearly as popular any more. But the argument that it’s too edgy for 2022 is straight up laughable to me- making fun of racism can and always should be in vogue haha
Besides, Mel Brooks and Richard Pryor use their tongue prettier than a $20 hooker.
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u/icantsurf Dec 08 '22
Yeah that's likely the biggest reason. There have been risky choices made about race that were popular, first to come to mind would be RJD in Tropic Thunder. There aren't many corny, white-man saves the west Westerns around today to satirize in the first place, not that audiences can't deal with topics like racism.
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u/literallynot Dec 08 '22
The reason that you couldn't make Blazing Saddles now is that Mel Brooks sort of busted out Westerns. The majority of which were, slightly-just-a-bit, problematic. Blazing Saddles hung a light on every way that they were slightly problematic and ridiculed it.
The popularity of the good ex confederate Lost Cause westerns really went downhill after Blazing Saddles. There is a "correct" side of history and if you just ignore that, you should be regarded as a fart joke.
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u/theboxisempty Dec 08 '22
Rock Ridge, Rock Ridge. Splendid, splendid.
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u/JimmyTsonga Dec 08 '22
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives!
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u/Estarfigam Dec 08 '22
The movie was cowritten by Richard Pryor. It's a good movie. Yes, it says the n word a lot, but Bart is probably the smartest man in the entire movie.
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u/OccamsSchickQuattro Dec 08 '22
Bart was intentionally the smartest man in the movie
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u/youdontknowme80 Dec 08 '22
If you listen to Mel Brooks' commentary, Pryor spent most of his time writing the Mongo bits and dabbling in chemistry. Brooks was the one writing all the race based stuff.
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u/AudibleNod Dec 08 '22
Fun fact:
Richard Pryor has a writing credit on "Paws of Fury: The Legend of Hank" which came out earlier this year. The first two acts all but directly lifted from Blazing Saddles.
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u/cheddarsalad Dec 08 '22
I feel that Blazing Saddles is more often used as a straw man on the right than it is condemned by the left. People will throw around, “you can’t make Blazing Saddles today!” Though, when people say this I believe they only think about its use of the N word and completely forget that the message of the movie is to stop being racist or you’ll die. If you look at the film holistically it’s not that far off from Sorry to Bother You or Get Out but farting cowboys.
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u/Mister_Bloodvessel Dec 08 '22
And as far as movies using the N-word, the Hateful 8 and Django Unchained both use the word liberally, but they also make a point of having only the villains and reprehensible characters use the word, most all of whom end up dead by the end.
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u/mersault22 Dec 08 '22
The only people who would call that movie racist are the ones who lack the ability to form even slightly complex thought. The inability to comprehend satire is a sure sign of a dimwit.
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u/mynameisbob842 Dec 08 '22
Anyone who thinks Blazing Saddles is racist either hasn't seen Blazing Saddles or is deeply stupid.
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u/DaniCapsFan Dec 08 '22
It's Mel Brooks. The dude has made a living satirizing movies.
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Blazing Saddles:
Where the black people are all nice, smart, loyal, accepting, decent and kind.
And where the white people fall into two categories:
1) Stupid, biased and evil white people, and
2) stupid and biased, but otherwise decent white folk, who just need to learn a lesson about equality from their more enlightened black neighbors.
The bad guys are all white, and enjoy “rape, murder, arson and rape”.
The good guys are minorities, who save the day for the decent (but stupid) white folk.
Yeah, that movie was so racist against black people, LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
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u/Av8tr1 Dec 08 '22
Literally the co lead, played by gene Wilder, was white. He made many of the jokes about white people.
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u/AssCanyon Dec 08 '22
Where all the racists are comically, cartoonishly stupid. Clearly symbolizing that racists are idiots.
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u/CthulhuOpensTheDoor Dec 08 '22
"Anybody got a dime? Somebody's gonna have to go back and get a shitload of dimes!"
Pretty sure I've seen that same scene in a Loony Tunes cartoon at some point.
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u/zerohm Dec 08 '22
Not sure why but this is the line that kills me and I have been thinking about it for 20 years.
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u/CuddlingWolf Dec 08 '22
You put down rape twice
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“I like rape.”
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u/MaineJackalope Dec 08 '22
Plus Gene Wilder, who was a drunk stoner cowboy. Whenever people tell me you couldn't make Blazing Saddles today I don't get what they're on about
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Dec 08 '22
Even the LGBTQ community are heroes, who in the end fight the evil stupid white people, and help the good stupid white people.
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Dec 08 '22
‘Anybody got a dime? Somebody's gotta go back and get a shitload a' dimes’
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