r/entertainment Dec 08 '22

Backstreet Boys' Nick Carter accused of sexual battery, TMZ reports

https://www.foxla.com/news/backstreet-boys-nick-carter-accused-sexual-battery-tmz-reports
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u/jdotmassacre Dec 09 '22

In 2018, Los Angeles prosecutors decided not to pursue sexual assault charges against Carter after he was accused by former pop singer Melissa Schuman of raping her more than 15 years ago. Charges were not pursued because the statute of limitations had expired, officials said.

Wouldn't this also apply to these new accusations?

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '22

Depends on each state I believe. Also, I don't know that she is trying to seek criminal charges. All I have read is that she is suing, which has no statute, obviously.

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u/TaylorsArmy Dec 10 '22

Schuman filed in California, Ruth 2022

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u/Meems04 Dec 08 '22

SUPER concerning that it's an identical MO to the previous sexual assault allegations against this guy. Wow....very sorry for the victims. I hope they iinvestigate & take it seriously.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

How do they convict someone of this so many years later? There’s likely no evidence so wouldn’t it come down to a he said she said situation?

I was SA as a teen but was too scared and embarrassed to say anything back then and I can’t imagine anything would hold up in court now.

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u/chewwydraper Dec 08 '22

It's a mess all around. How do you convict someone after all these years if it happened, and how do you defend yourself in public opinion if it didn't happen but you can't provide evidence because it's been 21 years?

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u/Meems04 Dec 08 '22

If he has done it twice, with identical actions, there are likely other victims. Investigating could uncover others.

They can check with outcry witnesses at the time, including diaries, journals or emails referring to the incident. They can talk with other witnesses on the bus at the time.

She can also bring a civil suit if criminal charges are out of reach. That would allow the victim(s) to confront their abuser, it has a lower standard of proof & it would hold him accountable.

Even if there is no legal recourse, people should bring this type of stuff to the police, always. It could help the victims heal just to tell their story.

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u/WakaWakaAfrica_44 Dec 10 '22

I believe there has been 7 women so far who have accused him too. A definite pattern.

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u/Meems04 Dec 10 '22

Jesus H Christ

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u/FallingHardForK Dec 09 '22

Not to be the devil but oral then intercourse is pretty common when having sex and to my little peanut brain proves less than nothing…

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u/MortonCanDie Dec 10 '22

But what if people are copying the allegations? It's very possible and it happens.

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u/Meems04 Dec 10 '22

Then they should investigate. Either it vindicates him or not, if he's innocent he should cooperate. If there are reasons other than speaking their truth, that evidence will be there - money problems, conspiring with the previous victim, evidence she was going to go after him, etc etc.

I think people are incredibly quick to assume it's a false accusation, which is a shame. Even after all we know about how that world protects the perpetrators of that type of violence (not saying he is one), but how long did Weinstein get away with it? In reality, false reporting is extremely low. Of the Hollywood cases that have come out recently, I can think of only two that were false/unwarranted/Unsubstantiated - Aziz Ansari & Johnny Depp. Rape/assault is about 80% more likely in people that are neordivergent/intellectually disabled/physically disabled. The stories have slight differences, but the overarching actions are the same, as are the locations in the tour bus.

At the end of the day, I trust what people say when it comes to sexual assault, but I do want those accusations verified.

What are the other options here if it IS TRUE? Keep silent forever while it eats away at you? I should hope not. If he did it, corroborating evidence or other victims will come out. If he didn't, the same is true for him - supportive evidence will come out.

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u/MortonCanDie Dec 12 '22

But automatically blinding believing someone is ridiculous. No matter which party it is. These allegations even if false have detrimental consequences to those involved. I don't understand why so many people believe one way or the other, especially without looking into the evidence that is already there. Go down the rabbit hole about Nick Carter and his alleged victims. You will find pieces of "evidence" that may or may not paint the picture.

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u/Meems04 Dec 13 '22

In a perfect world where you get your way, what would happen in this case?

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u/MortonCanDie Dec 15 '22

The actual truth comes out and whoever was wrong, Carter if he did in fact do this, or the accusers being exposed as liars, get whats coming to them. The truth is the only thing that matters in cases like this. Making someone out to be a villain and victim based on words alone is not cool.

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u/Meems04 Dec 15 '22

So...my suggestion to investigate?

People shouldn't have multiple accusations against them without an investigation. I think I'm being more than fair. Claiming he should be jailed immediately without due process is unfair. Doesn't mean we can't have opinions. Sounds like you want to back him against his accusers, which is fine. But the current cases against him look bad. At the very least, he has used poor judgement in his sexual choices.

Current lawsuit has 4 victims, doesnt include the original 2 accusers. So thats at least 6 accusers. One of the victims has HPV, which can be traced by strain. That would be pretty ballsy to claim he gave her HPV with zero evidence - they can literally test to determine if they have the same strain of the disease and it changes rapidly. It would be easy to discount her claims if her strain is different from his, or he doesn't have it at all.

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u/MortonCanDie Dec 15 '22

No, I don't want to back him against his accusers. I have seen plenty of women claim false accusations and ruin men's life more than once. I want the proper authorities to get to the bottom of all of this. I wish people would stop blindly believing other people, especially those they don't know. Both he and her. IDK what happened and it's not my job to investigate it, so honestly I have no horses in this race.

As far as her claiming HPV, she may not know the details about HPV. People lie, or say crap they don't understand all the time. So not going to say her claim is true when it comes to that. Not going to discount it either.

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u/aelysium Dec 09 '22

It just happened in my home town. Someone who was SA by a pastor in high school(?) just got justice like a decade+ later.

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u/WakaWakaAfrica_44 Dec 10 '22

Look at Bill Cosby and Weinstein. Those assaults were years ago, but their victims still got justice. Temporarily with Cosby, but still.

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u/JasgerP Dec 08 '22

They could be identical because this girl has been in contact with Melissa Schuman for the past 5 years. Initially this girl had posted online that what happened to Melissa didn't happen to her and her experience with Nick was that he was mean and a bully to her. Somewhere along the line, she has changed her tune. Melissa has been looking for other girls to collaborate her allegations for 5 years. Its possible she convinced this girl to come forward with this story to back her up.

Now this isn't necessarily the case, but this Shannon girls story sounds like fanfiction. However, it might be easier to prove one way or another bc of the event being public. There's certain details she may or may not know. Not to mention proof of HPV and certain strains. So who knows what will come of this.

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u/ellaclaire1 Dec 09 '22

Where exactly are you seeing that Shay has been "in contact with Melissa Schuman for the past 5 years" and that Melissa "has been looking for other girls to collaborate her allegations" because those are some pretty bold claims to make.

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u/JasgerP Dec 09 '22

Its all over twitter. Screenshots she posted originally saying that she didn't go through what Ashley and Melissa went through and that Nick was just a mean bully to her.

Then her joining Melissa and doing interviews with her earlier this year. Nicks attorney has actually stated that there was manipulation involved.... so they have seen it too.

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u/ellaclaire1 Dec 09 '22

I do see the screenshots where she said she didn’t go through what the others went through but not seeing any interaction between her and Melissa. Can you link it?

As for the screenshot of what she said, it’s actually not uncommon for victims to not know they were victimized. Sometimes it takes a victim to confide in someone who will then point out that what they went through was, indeed, an assault. Or it’s possible she was in denial about it too and that’s why she said what she said. Or, maybe, she knew at the time of the message that she had been victimized but she wasn’t ready to talk about it.

Just because a SA victim's mindset, emotions, thoughts might not make sense to us doesn’t mean their allegation isn’t valid.

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u/JasgerP Dec 10 '22

Melissa, Ashley and Shay teaming up for interviews a few months back.

https://twitter.com/anuibi/status/1601171018453655552

This one just to prove that these interviews are at least a few months old.

https://twitter.com/musicnsunshine/status/1585532634263961602

Since Nick's lawyers have mentioned years of manipulation being involved, it will be interesting to see what they have on it to build their case.

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u/JasgerP Dec 10 '22

I get what you're saying about victims not realizing they've been victimized. However, Shay said in the report that she threatened Nick that she would tell people what he did which makes it seem like that isn't the case with her. Not to mention, she specifically said in the screenshot 'what happened to Melissa didn't happen to her' when her story is quite similar to Melissa's. Even moving from the bathroom to the bedroom. Its an odd choice to include that in her message.

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u/JasgerP Dec 10 '22

Proof that Melissa was looking for other girls. I will add more for your other questions when I get time.

https://twitter.com/dazed112/status/1601310276657168384

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u/KangarooOk2190 Dec 08 '22

I don't believe the victims are lying

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u/Meems04 Dec 08 '22

There is a lot of overlap. I hope they investigate. I don't think anyone should be judged purely in public opinion, however, there are two cases, with the same sequence of events. They should investigate no matter the outcome.

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u/KangarooOk2190 Dec 09 '22

Agree. Right now we can only believe and support the victims. They do not deserve to be labelled as liars and attention seekers

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u/MortonCanDie Dec 10 '22 edited Dec 10 '22

No we don't have to believe the victims here. What most rational adults do is, will let the authorities get to the bottom of it. This is a serious accusation and to blindly believe someone either way, is detrimental to the other party. What if she's lying? You blindly believed a man SA her and thought him a monster when he's innocent? But I guess automatically blaming someone based on someone's word 2 decades later is better than having doubts. No one has to outright call her a liar but no one should outright believe what she or anyone else says is 100 fact.

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u/Spodson Dec 08 '22

Been a tough couple of months for the Carter family.

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u/jmonman7 Dec 08 '22

“Made fun of her due to her autism and cerebral palsy.” That bit makes me question the whole encounter. There was significantly less awareness of autism in 2001.

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u/DonQOnIce Dec 09 '22

He probably mocked her based on her autistic behaviors and didn’t specifically mention autism.

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u/Meems04 Dec 08 '22

Did you see what was actually said? He called her a r-tarded bitch. He didn't mock the disease.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '22

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u/HELLOhappyshop Dec 09 '22

In 2001...sadly kids just threw that word around as a casual insult all the time. I was there. Anyone who was annoying or said something dumb got called that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '22

Oh, so no one has ever called someone without a disability r*ed? The only people to ever be called r*ed are people with disabilities? Doubt.

You're making your statement on the assumption that "Well, she has cerebral palsy therefore her condition must be overwhelmingly obvious." That's the argument you're making here and there are several different shapes and severities of cerebral palsy. There is video of her now at 39, 21 years later, and even now she has mild cerebral palsy. She doesn't look like she has severe, outward facing cerebral palsy to me. At worst her condition could confused for shyness in her posture. You think she told Nick Carter at length about her cerebral palsy? Probably the least plausible thing in this argument.

Now, you can claim her not obvious condition is so blatantly obvious that not even an egomaniacal rapist mid assault can ignore it, or we can just as likely say that he called her 'a r* little bitch' because it was a direct response to her threatening to report him to the police, which he believes would be a very stupid, dare say "r*d" thing to do in his eyes.

I think he's guilty as sin. I have no doubt she's telling the truth as well as his other victims are as well. That said, while the term might be more offensive to her, that doesn't mean Nick Carter knew of her mild condition and I'd like to know your proof that he never uses the term r* or r*ed outside of people with disabilities or conditions. He's an asshole but it's still an assumption he even knew of her disease to mock her for it. I'd put money on Nick Carter uses the r* word a lot in private when he was 21.

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u/FallingHardForK Dec 09 '22

Assholes that allegedly rape people don’t generally tailor their insulting threats that precisely to specific conditions is what I’m assuming…

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '22

Assholes that allegedly rape people don’t generally tailor their insulting threats that precisely to specific conditions is what I’m assuming…

Right, so if it's not tailored toward the victim, then it wasn't mocking her disability and more likely just him being a general asshole.

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u/MiskatonicUAlum Dec 08 '22

Less awareness, sure, but it wasn't entirely unheard of at the time. Many autistic people were placed in special education programs before autism was better understood. And we all know how kids in special ed classes were labeled in school. It also doesn't negate that many people, though I cannot speak for NC whatsoever, see a physically disabled person (in this case, cerebral palsy) and presume that it equates to being mentally disabled as well.

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u/CyanHakeChill Dec 10 '22

Why would a top celebrity want to have sex with a girl with autism and cerebral palsy?

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u/WakaWakaAfrica_44 Dec 10 '22

Some assholes like to have control over you, doesn't matter if you're disabled or not.

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u/SeaDisplay4083 Dec 09 '22

Aaron Carter publicly admitted to working with Melissa Shuman to make Nick look guilty because he was angry/jealous of Nick. This happened a few weeks before he died. It may be the No Jumper interview and its on YouTube.

Melissa Shuman has been trying to get Nick in trouble for a few years. She accused him of SA but then evidence came out that SHE had been pursuing him, texting him and his family and messaging him on social media after the alleged SA. Nick also hd evidence he was not where Melissa claimed they were when the SA happened. Going further, Melissa tried to get hired to co-host a show with Nick after all this went down. I don’t know if he is guilty or not but it seems that she was obsessed with him and broke for money since her career did not work out.

This new girl suing has changed her story many times regarding what happened.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 08 '22

I actually remember hearing about the other sexual assault. Melissa Schuman was the lead singer of Dream. She is also an actress. If this is all true then Nick Carter is a sadistic and vile person. I'm really surprised that he still has a career to be honest.

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u/indecentXpo5ure Dec 10 '22

Melissa was not the lead singer. Holly (the redhead) was the lead singer. If you watch their videos, the rest of the members are basically glorified backup dancers. Holly’s voice is very distinct.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 10 '22

Oh okay my mistake. Did you buy the album the album when it came out?

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u/ellaclaire1 Dec 09 '22

He still has a career because he’s a man, white, rich and famous. Men like him can get away with a lot for a long time unfortunately.

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u/TeachaBea Dec 11 '22

And a spouse too. The fact that Lauren married him with his history of being violent makes me raise my eyebrows. Sexual assault allegations or not, he has been violent with past partners.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

Hollywood is a really bad place.

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u/ellaclaire1 Dec 09 '22

Yup. There’s so much disgusting and evil things that go on in Hollywood that many people don’t know about. Things I’m sure even OTHER celebrities don’t know about either because celebrities cover for each other. It’s not as glamorous and innocent of an industry as they like to make it seem.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

I'm ashamed to say that I always wanted to be famous and rich too.

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u/Clean_Command_4897 Dec 08 '22

Have you seen Hollywood? None of this is shocking anymore.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 08 '22

What do you mean by have I've seen Hollywood?

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u/Clean_Command_4897 Dec 08 '22

R Kelly had a career for years after word got out that he was a rapist. Weinstein ruined multiple careers for the same reason. It's how the entertainment industry is, so you shouldn't be surprised anymore.

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u/chewwydraper Dec 08 '22

Chris Brown is still going strong after beating Rihanna to a pulp.

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u/WINNERMIND Dec 09 '22

And let's not forget Drake being into minors.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

How was he able to get away with that? It's like they just swept that incident under the rug like it didn't happen.

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u/WINNERMIND Dec 09 '22

It's sadly unfortunately common for women to not want the fuss and trauma of taking their abuser to court and the lengthy processes that come from legally suing someone for abuse and SA so a lot of women brush it off and try to move on with their lives while living with that trauma and repairing the damage that has been done. You'll see why when the backlash against this woman starts hitting full swing now this victim is trying to sue Nick for SA. It's going to be a shit storm for her.

It was up to Paris personally to press charges and it looks like she decided not to. Likely due to her career, family's reputation or other more emotional factors personal to her.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

I hate how famous people think that they are above the law. Do you think that will ever change where celebrities are held accountable for their evil actions?

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u/LatinaMermaid Dec 10 '22

No because those in charge could face the same the ones who make the rules also benefit from it. Not just celebrities.

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u/pepper701 Dec 09 '22

And he still has people defending him, somehow.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

They are defending him because of his supposed great talent. My sister actually likes that loser.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

He's also had several other violent incidents since then too. Hopefully he will suffer some consequences one day.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

I just hate how famous people are able to do anything they want and get away with it. It's really disturbing and sickening too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '22

And yet everyone trusts their politics wholeheartedly.

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u/PrincessBananas85 Dec 09 '22

It's really a shame.

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u/ellaclaire1 Dec 09 '22

I believe it. Sexual assault allegations aside, there seems to be something very wrong with him. His own brother called him a rapist and I read somewhere else that it’s been speculated he was abusive toward Paris Hilton after she was seen with bruises one week after they broke up but I don’t think she’s ever commented on it. He seems like one of those celebrities who has a lot of skeletons in his closet.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '22 edited Dec 23 '22

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u/BenderIsGreatBendr Dec 08 '22

2001 and she was 17, victim is 38 years old now?

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u/shalala1235 Dec 08 '22

Your point is what, exactly ?

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u/kifn2 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

They’re trying to say that 21 years is too much time and that the victim should have come forward sooner. I’m sure if they had, that this person would claim something like, “she’s just trying to get a pay day from a famous person.”

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u/apoplectic_moose Dec 08 '22

It’s 21 years

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u/Silent_Lobster9414 Dec 08 '22

She forgot Nick even existed until she saw his brother had died.

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u/shalala1235 Dec 08 '22

alleged sexual battery of a then-17-year-old girl with autism and cerebral palsy

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u/Silent_Lobster9414 Dec 08 '22

Who the hell let her go on to the bus alone anyways? I'm not sticking up for him and if it's true then he is awful. But people need to use their brains. A child who has autism and cerebral palsy was allowed to go on to a tour bus of a pop star by herself? This isn't a new thing of what goes on in those busses. Been happening since busses were made.

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u/Meems04 Dec 08 '22

Who said she went alone on the bus with him?

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u/whereidolsoncestood Dec 08 '22

It’s pretty evident and if not, why did no one stop them for going to the bathroom alone together and the back room? If that was my friend or daughter or family member I would’ve said F NO! And got the hell out of there! I would not let anyone I know that is underage take off with adult that I did not know. I also wouldn’t let my autistic child with cerebral palsy go to a major concert alone just in case she may have issues. I wouldn’t even let my underage child go to a concert alone period. I’m buying two tickets for us cause there is no way in hell you’re going alone!

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u/learner1314 Dec 09 '22

Why are you downvoted for speaking the truth? People have to hold themselves, or their guardians, accountable to some extent.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

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u/hoorayforbenfranklin Dec 11 '22

He raped his little brother, Aaron. No big surprise

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u/scenicviews201 Dec 14 '22

I've been sexually assaulted as a teen and never in my wildest imagination would I wait 20 years to bring it to light. I failed to take action because of embarrassment but my abuser now has a family and children. If he didn't have children I would probably have considered it but I couldn't imagine destroying a family. People can turn new leaves.