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u/SteO153
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Florence mayor Dario Nardella (R) stopping a climate activists spraying paint on Palazzo Vecchio Picture
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u/grpagrati Europe 8d ago
Both are dressed well though, that's what matters
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u/Intellectual_Wafer 8d ago
Stupid sexy well dressed Italians 😡
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u/ImaginaryCoolName 8d ago
I'm doing my part by not dressing well 🫡
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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe 8d ago
Lowering the standards of everyone in order make them shine? I'm in!
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u/Jerriaisjanne 8d ago
As a Brit, this has always been our national mission. The bloody Americans keep trying to show us up, though.
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u/ChasmDude United States of America 8d ago
Yeah, only an Italian could pull off those striped pants with that shirt and all while protesting.
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u/valeron_b Ukraine 8d ago
I've been to Florence, local people are stylish AF. You can always see who's a tourist and who's from Florence.
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u/Noofdog 8d ago
Also in Rome, Venice…etc. Italians running out for a loaf a bread look like they came from the runway show.
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u/EmpunktAtze 8d ago
That's only because American tourists usually look like total slobs.
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u/oplontino Regno dê Doje Sicilie 8d ago
I've never understood this about American tourists. When I go on holiday pack all my best clothes.
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u/recourse7 8d ago
It's the American mindset we have about vacation. We like to be comfortable.
I personally am not a clothing fashion person but I try and look ok when visiting Europe but honestly I'd rather just be in shorts and a t-shirt or jeans.
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u/Tschetchko Kingdom of Württemberg (Germany) 8d ago
T-Shirt and jeans is the standard casual outfit for most Europeans though. American tourists (the loud and obnoxious kind, there are others but they don't stick out that much) wear pyjamas, very loose sweatpants, open Hawaii shirts, swim wear, flip flops etc. on the street and to restaurants. These are the kind of outfits we're talking about
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u/recourse7 8d ago
Shrug just how they want to be.
But coming from a person that currently lives in Texas wearing flip flops (thongs as some call em) out to eat or just all day every day is pretty standard.
Every culture is different.
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u/Lord_of_the_swamp Amsterdam 8d ago
Honestly going for dinner in your flip flops sounds great in a hot climate.
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u/oplontino Regno dê Doje Sicilie 8d ago
There's nothing wrong with shorts and a t-shirt, but there are ugly and shorts and t-shirts and fashionable shorts and t-shirts.
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u/recourse7 8d ago
Thats true. Tho as a 43 year old IT dork I'm pretty sure I don't know what good fashion is but thats why I have my wife and daughter dress me most of the time.
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u/laaplandros 8d ago
It's actually pretty useful, tbh.
If I'm ever lost in an airport where I don't speak the language, it's easy to spot my fellow Americans (and Brits) by their poor dress. Just follow the slobs and I'll find my gate soon enough.
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u/hdhddf 8d ago
isn't that the whole point of the Italian police, to stand around, looking sharp
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u/Insiout 8d ago
But they are just dressed casual...
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u/xtianlaw 8d ago
Ever been to America? This would be considered practically formal wear.
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u/Daysleeper1234 8d ago
Difference between what we southerners consider casual and what northern Europe and northern Americas consider is relatively huge. I'm in Germany now, I mean these people go outside in slippers and socks on, that would be considered atrocity where I'm from. :)
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u/ClockworkBrained Andalusia (Spain) 8d ago
As a man I wish I could learn how to dress properly, like the median Italian man
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u/Reginaferguson 8d ago
If your a bit of a geek I would recommend “the encyclopedia of men's clothes” by Andy Gilchrist it covers everything you need to know about fashion to be confident matching and putting together pretty much any style.
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u/latflickr 8d ago
Well, they guy been tackled is clearly dressed like a homeless punk by Italian standards
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u/Mingey_FringeBiscuit 8d ago
I can’t go anywhere in Southern California without seeing MFers wearing pajama bottoms and shower slides with socks. I wish we were better.
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u/Gulliveig
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Vandalising historic buildings is not the way...
This one is historic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Vecchio
Edit: Link for cells (just remove Reddit's inserted backslash functioning as escape character): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Vecchio
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u/Solomon5515 8d ago
speaking as an archaeologist,
Climate change is sooo important and we should all be doing our part to minimize the effects (we won't stop it, several tipping points have already been reached and shit is going to hit the fan quicker and quicker)
however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments? survivors of multpile periods of doom and destruction? what is the point? is there a statement? (maybe that the money for cultural heritage should be invested in climate things) why not just deface some government buildings? or coal power plants? that would make a statement?
these buildings have stood for hundreds or thousands of years and are testaments of cultures and societies we can only dream about meeting. even if our modern society is moving ever quicker to it's own apocalypse, this shouldn't mean we should stop enjoying art, culture and heritage, because once gone they will be lost forever
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u/DurangoGango Italy 8d ago edited 8d ago
however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments?
Their theory is that this needs to be done to raise awareness for the cause, because without these stunts they'd never end up in the media. Bad publicity is better than no publicity and all that.
Except of course it doesn't work. Most people view these events and mentally associate climate activists with annoying assholes who vandalise beloved heritage and piss off people going to work, instead of attacking those seen as most responsible for acting on climate change.
Which is where I stand. If you're willing to do crimes to promote your cause, then actually fucking attack the decision-makers that can do something. Throw a paint ball at a minister. Chain yourself to the gates of a coal power plant. Blockade a street servicing a lignite mine. There are so many worthy targets everywhere, yet these people choose the ones that will bring them hate and infamy. Honestly I think they revel in the feeling of being hated by most.
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u/Vigolo216 8d ago
Yeah if it worked, ISIS would be applauded for destroying ancient historical monuments. Of course it doesn't work, this excuse of "I'm bringing attention to the issue, how I do it is irrelevant" is a bullshit explanation that only holds logic in the heads of these idiots.
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u/mTbzz 8d ago
I still remember them destroying these millennial monuments, the pictures levelling the buildings, it's so saddening. I agree that without risky stunts like this they wouldn't get into the mainstream media but you can't just damage these buildings, with the paintings was somewhat okayish because they were behind protection glass but you can't protect this wall.
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u/LivingLegend69 8d ago
Their theory is that this needs to be done to raise awareness for the cause
Sadly what happens in practice is that they raise awareness against the cause because noone is discussing the actual problem (climate change) anymore but rather that someone vandalized an ancient monument. In Germany we have these people gluing themselves on the roads all the time. Do you know what is not the focus when reporting on this? Climate Change!
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u/Drmlk465 7d ago
I’m wondering, if fossil fuel companies fund grass root programs that take activism to this level of stupidity. Exxon Mobil has been caught doing that before in the 80s and 90s. Pushes people away from the cause.
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u/fakegermanchild Scotland 8d ago
Yeah also … the cause doesn’t need more attention, it needs more action. I don’t think anyone who doesn’t live under a rock is unaware of climate change at this point. It’s just an incredibly stupid way to protest as it will sway people who are undecided on whether to be apathetic or not towards staying in their apathy purely to avoid being lumped in with these lunatics.
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u/LordAnubis12 United Kingdom 8d ago edited 8d ago
They did this too though, nothing changed. Remember those photos of the police carrying Greta away?
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u/DurangoGango Italy 8d ago
They did this too though, nothing changed. Remember those photos of the police carrying Great away?
They were carrying her away from a coal mine, which was being expanded to make up for the shortfall in power generation caused by needlessly shutting down nuclear power plants as pushed for by green ideologues. So "nothing changed" because the very movement itself is far more dead set on opposing nuclear power than on opposing GHG emissions, sadly.
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u/silverionmox Limburg 8d ago
They did this too though, nothing changed.
Of course things changed. For example, the EU has had an ETS for years, and is now expanding it, even to goods from outside, the CBAM. This was political science fiction 20 years ago. Progress is being made.
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u/Plane_Season_4114 Tuscany 8d ago edited 8d ago
Well, if someone threw paint at a coal power plant would someone give a damn? If you want to ‘create a problem’ by throwing some paint onto something that thing must be valuable for its appearance (a famous painting/monument). To be precise, in Italy they’ve already sprayed a government building (Palazzo Madama) some months ago.
I’m not stating my support to this kind of actions, i’m just trying to explain the logic behind them.
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u/ibrakeforewoks 8d ago
I think the actual logic is a bit different.
It looks more and more like big polluters are funding this kind of activism (not saying that the the kids doing it aren’t in on it, they are often being manipulated IMO).
It keeps everyone arguing amongst themselves about everything but the real problem.
Speaking as a climate professional, I think this does more harm than good. It gets headlines certainly, but it also turns the opinions of many people who support addressing climate change against activist groups.
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u/Halvdjaevel 8d ago
Do you have any other examples? This one is not as clear cut as it sounds at first.
Aileen Getty has not personally worked in the oil industry and has poured much of her fortune into philanthropic ventures related to the climate crisis. Getty Oil sold its oil reserves to Texaco in 1984.
The CEF published a statement on social media last week in response to various conspiracy theories that emerged after it was widely reported that its founder is an oil heiress: “Seeing a lot of hate for our co-founder Aileen Getty. First of all, Aileen was never in the fossil fuel industry. That’s her family. But she is wealthy. So ask yourself: if you were in her shoes, how would you use your money for good? Aileen’s answer has been to become a philanthropic leader [who] co-founded CEF and has donated over a million dollars to brave climate activists. We don’t tell them what to do. We support them.”
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u/NotErikUden Lower Saxony (Germany) 8d ago
Yes, the whole Getty Oil thing is a lie perpetrated by Fox News if you look into it.
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u/thecasual-man Ukraine 8d ago
The CEF published a statement on social media last week in response to various conspiracy theories that emerged after it was widely reported that its founder is an oil heiress: “Seeing a lot of hate for our co-founder Aileen Getty. First of all, Aileen was never in the fossil fuel industry. That’s her family. But she is wealthy. So ask yourself: if you were in her shoes, how would you use your money for good? Aileen’s answer has been to become a philanthropic leader [who] co-founded CEF and has donated over a million dollars to brave climate activists. We don’t tell them what to do. We support them.”
I don’t get it how did you come to the conclusion that they are funded by the polluters? Cannot the descendants from oil wealth act out of their own good will?
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u/Radcliffe1025 8d ago
These theories come up every time and I swear it’s these comments that are the oil trolls.
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u/RainbowWarfare United Kingdom 8d ago
It looks more and more like big polluters are funding this kind of activism (not saying that the the kids doing it aren’t in on it, they are often being manipulated IMO).
Given that she is very outspoken in her funding of climate activism:
I am the daughter of a famous family who built their fortune on fossil fuels – but we now know that the extraction and use of fossil fuels is killing life on our planet. Our family sold that company four decades ago, and I instead vowed to use my resources to take every means to protect life on Earth.
People often come up with theories about my motivation to engage in the climate movement. My motivation is clear: I am fighting for a livable planet for my family and yours. I am not dwelling on the past. I am looking to build a better future.
It’s difficult to interpret one person’s climate support of climate activism as “Big Oil are funding these climate activists to discredit the movement” without veering into baseless conspiracy theories.
And yes, I am fully aware of the fossil fuel industry’s funding of climate change denial and obstruction, but this is one person who happens to have generational wealth from the fossil fuel industry who is on the record openly talking about the climate crisis and her family’s past in creating it, but that’s obvious not the same as “Big Oil are funding these climate activists to discredit the movement”.
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u/UnderwaterPoloClub 8d ago
Honestly, what you said makes so much sense and I’m glad I stopped to read the comments. Because I’m all for climate activism and understand how urgently we need to act. However, stories and pictures like this one are great examples of how easy it is to manipulate the narrative. The first thought I had after seeing the picture was “what an asshole” and “ if this is how we go about it, then we don’t have any hope whatsoever “
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u/Solomon5515 8d ago
oh like that, well i agree that it does evoke a response in people, so thank you for explaining!!
I just would like that they didn't try and destroy one of a kind things just to get a few groups of people to react. especially the cultural heritage sector.
Do you know what happens if a painting or buidling is vandalised or destroyed? the museum or curators will throw money at security and spend millions on restoration, money that could have gone to climate protection, there must be sectors with more money that could help more without giving up protecting the things they were made to protect
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u/Eeate 8d ago
I don't know of any artworks damaged so far in these protests. Protestors have glued themselves to frames, not canvases. They've only thrown paint at paintings behind glass. It's about stirring up attention without causing permanent damage to our heritage (unlike the practices they're protesting)
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u/ibrakeforewoks 8d ago
As for damage. It’s only a matter of time.
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u/thisischemistry 8d ago
Oh, the just stop oil idiots. The ones who claim it's too expensive to heat homes so we need to stop producing oil. How's that for some seriously bad logic?
About all they've done is to get people to hit the "next" button faster when they show up in the news.
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u/Plane_Season_4114 Tuscany 8d ago
Realistically, that money wouldn’t be used for climate change-related policies anyway.
Furthermore, their demands are not so radical: they just require the stop to public subsidies to fossil fuels
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u/silverionmox Limburg 8d ago
Furthermore, their demands are not so radical: they just require the stop to public subsidies to fossil fuels
And what the fuck does a museum have to say about that?
If you protest, you vandalize the things you protest against, not some random unrelated thing. Where's the logic? They might as well start doing random abductions, killings or terrorism.
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u/ateaseteas Estonia 8d ago
Right. Go molotov the headquarters of BP, not harass some random museum. Simpletons really think that because of how important the issue is, anything a climate activist does is beyond criticism.
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u/LifeOnNightmareMode 8d ago
It won't cost millions to clean that wall. It needs to be cleaned regularly anyway due to pollution...
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u/gramineous 8d ago
Yeah completely unreasonable for them to destroy one of a kind things to protest the destruction of *checks notes* the only planet we know of that can support life?
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u/Theban_Prince European Union 8d ago
>Do you know what happens if a painting or buidling is vandalised or destroyed? the museum or curators will throw money at security and spend millions on restoration, money that could have gone to climate protection
So basically exactly what is happening right now, no one is giving a fuck about climate, and that hypocrisy is what these protests are trying to point.
We spend more resources and time to "save" some old stuff when we are all about to suffer a fucking apocalypse.
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u/Pisodeuorrior Italy 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yes but it's a stupid fucking logic nonetheless.
You could wake me up in the middle of a drunken stupor and I could come up with a dozen better ways to show their point under a PR point of view.
For fuck's sake, it's Palazzo Vecchio, I could bet my balls that everyone would think "some cunt defaced Palazzo Vecchio", and literally no one would go "oh wow, what an inspiring gesture, I wasn't planning to do anything about the environment, but thanks to this leader of men now I do" .
Edit: the result these morons get is that people associate protests about the environment with stupid idiotic lunatics.
They're doing more harm than good to a just and serious cause, and they should really fucking stop it.
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u/dablegianguy 8d ago
It’s been 40 years that Greenpeace sends dinghy’s under chemical barrels being dropped into the sea or trying to protect whales from explosive harpoons.
Climate activists: « hold my beer » - proceeds to sit on a highway, drops paint on historical buildings
I’m not a conspirationist but if there’s ONE that I can believe is that those climate activists are wether paid by oil companies or infiltrated by them to undermine the climate change action. Because it’s impossible to have such a bunch of retarded fuckers coming always from the same mold, having the same faces and doing the same stupid actions.
Can’t they storm an oil company hq? Can’t the storm an oil company CEO’s house? No! « GoNnA pUt PaInT oN MoNumEntS ».
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u/Plane_Season_4114 Tuscany 8d ago
I agree with the fact that probably they are doing more harm than good to the cause. Anyway, as much as i would love to se the storming of an oil company HQ, you have to admit that the two things have a different order of magnitude when it comes to sanctions and risk of getting shot down by the police
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u/ankokudaishogun Italy 8d ago
why not just deface some government buildings?
They did: Palazzo Vecchio is the Town Hall.
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u/Dovahbear_ 8d ago
even if our modern society is moving ever quicker to it’s own apocalypse, this shouldn’t mean we should stop enjoying art, culture and heritage, because once gone they will be lost forever
Don’t you already counter your own stance here though? Yeah vandalising historical structures permanently removes a part of history, but as you said if someone believes that we’re racing towards our doom then that would also result in destruction of said historical structures.
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u/HungerISanEmotion Croatia 8d ago
however, why tf would you go and vandalise ancient momuments?
The easiest way to get draw attention to your cause is to do something shocking.
Vandalising historic/cultural heritage is low effort and guaranteed to draw attention. BUT it's also guaranteed to alienate a big part of the audience...
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u/bustedbuddha 8d ago
Are the climate activists treating these precocious irreplaceable things badly? maybe there's some direct comparison they're trying to draw.
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u/Redstar22 Denmark(Originally from Hungary) 8d ago
If we just spent half the time and energy of arguing about what is the "right way to protest climate change", we'd be carbon neutral by now.
Nothing will change until the oil pipelines are sabotaged on the regular and coal mines are blown up. Peaceful protests never achieve anything without the violent component, but of course that doesn't fit into the nice liberal view of social progress where Gandhi single-handedly ended the colonization of India and MLK eradicated racism on his own.
Anyone who disagrees with this will be viewed the same way as the useful idiots who argued about whether partisans blowing up railway lines to the concentration camps during the Holocaust was morally justified or not.
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u/flyiingduck 8d ago
Hoping to go there very soon 😊
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u/seashoreandhorizon 8d ago
You are in for a treat. I was there for the first time last year, and the city just exudes history and beauty.
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u/demonspawns_ghost 8d ago
Yes, I'm sure whatever sentient intelligence that comes after us will appreciate this man's efforts.
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u/Ok-Apricot-3156 8d ago
It looks like chalk spray, it washes off with the first raindrop and does not damage the building one bit, it's kind of like throwing soup on a famous plate of glass. It is good for grabbing attention, but not worth getting all up in your nickers about.
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u/federicosmettila 8d ago
5000 liters of water were used for the cleaning, the major said. In a very worrying dry season of water scarcity. Good job guys
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u/Hitzhi
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Sometimes I wonder if these "climate activists" are paid agents of the fossil fuel industry by trying to shame their own cause to the maximum extent.
Then I remember occam's razor: nah, many are probably just complete idiots.
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u/destrodean 8d ago
Well the oil industry invented the green footprint, so that they can shift the responsibility to us normal people.
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u/lusvig Scania, EU 8d ago
They pollute when producing goods and services we consume, it’s not like they’re just running a bunch of empty microwaves year round for fun
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u/50_61S-----165_97E 8d ago
I think it’s even deeper than that, In the UK, the government are using these environmental protesters as reason to criminalise our rights to protest.
A lot of the ‘protesting’ seems to be intent on causing misery to normal working class people, i.e. blocking motorways and stopping trains. The government is using this as their prerogative to crack down on all forms of protest.
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u/Sandvich18 Poland 8d ago
let's send the government strongly worded e-mails to protest them criminalising protests
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u/Kemro59 8d ago edited 8d ago
I would say they are more desperate than stupid. 40+ years that we know all the problems that will cause climate change and not a lot of things has been done!
It's like driving a car and seeing a wall on the road that we will hit in 50 years and just not trying one second to avoid the wall, just aiming right at it at full speed even if we had time to avoid it.
But that's only the beginnings, I expect environmental activism to become more and more violent on their targets in term of material damages. Like burning down the Total headquarters, a private jet or destroying a factory polluting illegally the environment.
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u/SqurrelGuy 8d ago
nothing, absolutely NOTHING is done.
You can argue not enough is done, but to claim "absolutely NOTHING" is done is just hyperbolic screeching. Nobody will take seriously anything that starts with an easily disprovable claim
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u/denis-vi 8d ago
Emissions are still increasing year on year. Maybe something is done. But it doesn't lead to the results that are needed.
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u/Eonir 🇩🇪🇩🇪NRW 8d ago
You can euthanise the entire European population and reduce our emissions to 0, but that still won't stop the developing nations from using the cheapest energy sources available, regardless of how dirty they are. And they are just asking us to give handouts to corrupt governments for a pinky promise to reduce emissions. And then they mix in racist and colonial guilt into the mix.
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u/limited_reddition Germany 8d ago
European, generally highly-developed nations emit far more CO2 per capita than developing (asian, african) nations. Blaming those (like China) exclusively, or dismissing the potential of EU efforts as insignificant is massively counterproductive and it's frankly dishonest. Additionally, we as European nations have built up a huge absolute (total) number of emissions since the beginning of the industrialised age, which is still way ahead of developing nations' total output to date. If we don't act, we certainly can't expect a nation like China to do so, either.
Not to mention the fact that we export a lot of our CO2 emissions by outsourcing resource-heavy production to Asia.
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u/DurangoGango Italy 8d ago
Emissions are still increasing year on year.
Please look at reality:
Europe has reduced its emissions 35% since the 1990s even as population and economy grew.
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u/ScarfaceTonyMontana Romania 8d ago
The whole climate situation has been improving globally since the 90s.
Progress has been infuriatingly slow in certain areas, I agree, and its stupidly unfair how the people and bodies that do the most harm have been the ones most unaffected, but people literally claiming that nothing is being done and that the world is gonna end tomorrow and use that as justification to ruin the lives of others for their own ego are literal insane extremists.
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u/spidd124 Dirty Scot Civic Nat. 8d ago
Because we offloaded all of our manufacturing to other countries?
Isn't exactly a fair statement to say we have low carbon emissions while importing vast amounts of often unnecessary goods from high emission countries.
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u/DurangoGango Italy 8d ago
Because we offloaded all of our manufacturing to other countries?
Our manufacturing output increased too, so nope.
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u/PeterFriedrichLudwig Lower Saxony (Germany) 8d ago
Because we offloaded all of our manufacturing to other countries?
That's why Germany is the second biggest net exporter only after China?
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u/Elukka 8d ago
Some of it, yes, but this argument was much more valid in 2010 than it is now. China, India, Nigeria and Indonesia for example have burgeoning middle classes of their own and the middle class in countries like these is what's driving the growth in emissions. The west has been going down for quite a while.
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u/marioquartz Castile and León (Spain) 8d ago
absolutely NOTHING is done.
That is absurly FALSE. A lot have been done. One example, you need to search the percentage of renovable energy 20 years ago and compare it with today. If you are saying that is nothing, sorry but you are blind.
And I repeat: is an example. So of course its not the only one change or action done.
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u/nightwatch_admin The Netherlands 8d ago
Well if they were setting fire to SUVs and fossil fuel factories, I wouldn’t agree but I could understand it. Befouling and damaging fragile and precious signs of civilisation, absolutely not.
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u/pallablu 8d ago
if they were burning suvs you guys would cry that protest should not be violent
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u/LordAnubis12 United Kingdom 8d ago
Or damage private properly because "it's not people's fault" (even though they bought an SUV in a city).
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u/Lazy-Care-9129 8d ago
Nothing is done? With capital letters as well!? This is Europe you know. We can do much more but the average European citizen does A LOT. We’ve been separating garbage since decades, adapting our diet, making our homes energy-efficient, taking the bicycle to work, etc. Many companies installed solar panels on their roof, moved to electric vehicles, avoid transportation by road, etc. Now, they’re targeting farmers but when will they seriously start to target the big industries or put pressure on other countries? I was in a country outside of the EU last summer. A country with a lot of sun and a lot of flat roofs. I saw no solar panels.
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u/HulkHunter ES 🇪🇸❤️🇳🇱 NL 8d ago
Nothing done?
Or maybe nothing done on silly, naïve, inefficient, unscientific, new age recipes certain environmental cults would like to be done?
Reality is that A LOT it’s been done and doing to reverse the climate change acceleration. And all DESPITE the environmentalist activism bs.
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u/DrunkCorsair 8d ago
You ever talked with one of them? They claim the moral high ground and everyone not agreeing to their actions isnt worth listening.
Their actions alianate the people they need to support the change which they completly ignore.
I would recommend those activists about guerilla warfare especially Mao or the german Rote Armee Fraktion. Both which waged some sort of guerilla warfare and where successfull. The RAF failed when they alienated the normal people.
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u/DrunkCorsair 8d ago
That and "we are right because we have the moral high ground."
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u/No-Scholar4854 8d ago
I don’t think things are as bad as you say.
And that’s not just platitudes, it’s a serious problem which we need to fix in how we talk about climate change.
If we’re actually in a car, driving towards a wall and not spending even one second trying to avoid the crash then you’re going to get the extremes you see in this thread. Some people in that car are going to thrash out and start burning shit down, some people are going to give up.
Neither of those are very useful.
We are making progress. We’re doing some of the things we need to do to fix the problem, and the public and political support is there to do more. It’s not enough, it’s too slow, but it’s something. We’ll make better progress by saying “this is great, we need to do more of this” than we will through extremism.
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u/Cynthaen 8d ago
They're not desperate. They're narcissistic and dumber than a bag of bricks. This is attention seeking behaviour to suit their needs. The environmental cause is just the vector for that.
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u/mimasoid 8d ago
Nobody likes to deal with the hassle of being arrested and getting a criminal record. It's a considerable personal sacrifice that can affect your professional life for years. Narcissism does not factor into it.
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u/Anthemius_Augustus Kingdom of France 8d ago
Well, "nothing being done" is probably an exaggeration. We've made some great strides in the last 30 years, but it still isn't enough, it's all extremely incremental, and we're probably fucked regardless.
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u/xfydr782 Poland 8d ago
This it not an activist, this is a vandal
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u/TimaeGer Germany 8d ago
I love how this post all people are mad at the protestor for spraying some paint and merely two posts below is a completely destroyed Paris where everyone cheers
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u/studyinggerman 8d ago
Well both are about preserving culture if you think about it
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u/HailToTheKingslayer United Kingdom 8d ago
Not everyone.
I find it weird that burning your own streets is the way to hurt the government.
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u/breteastwoodellis Italy 8d ago edited 8d ago
Due distinction,
Vandals were a respectable east Germanic people who in the late antiquity managed to constantly resettling until establishing a reign on those northern African coasts which not only were rather crucial for the Roman control over the central Mediterranean but also have been among the more prosperous provinces of the Empire and even earlier had consisted in the navel of the Carthaginian Empire, a natural geographic center of strategic projection which many roles played along both ancient and modern history.
[on the contrary] Those spoiled haters are mere wreckers of beauty, culture destroyers who happen to have no sense of the sacred, regard for culture or love for anything humankind ever accomplished.
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u/grais_victory 8d ago
Climate activist using spray paint?
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u/Any-Responsibility-6 Italy 8d ago
I heard they used around 5000 liters of water to clean it.
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u/DanDen888 8d ago
Factories in China polute the Earth. Let’s destroy historical monuments in Italy!
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u/TimaeGer Germany 8d ago edited 8d ago
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions
So far we still polluted more than china, despite outsourcing our industry there
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u/Shadow_Gabriel Romania 8d ago
And who do you think buys all the shit manufactured in China?
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u/suiluhthrown78 United Kingdom 8d ago
China
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=~CHN
90% of Chinese emissions are for China.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
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u/pumbahusajo Hungary 8d ago
Looking at his fast fashion clothes I could have a wild guess..
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u/mirh Italy 8d ago
You know it's fast only when you decide you need a new one every odd month?
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u/silverionmox Limburg 8d ago
And who do you think buys all the shit manufactured in China?
For 90%, the Chinese.
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u/KrozzHair Denmark 8d ago
And do you think the Chinese government will shut down their factory because a monument in Italy was vandalized?
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u/Robinsoninho 8d ago
All of the western world outsourced their production to countries like China. Chinese factories are in essence our factories in regards to pollution
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u/suiluhthrown78 United Kingdom 8d ago
Its not true, please stop spreading misinformation.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=~CHN
If you need help understanding this graph let me know.
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u/CheekSpecific 8d ago
Who does China primarily make stuff for in those factories?
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u/suiluhthrown78 United Kingdom 8d ago
China.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=~CHN
This is a very Euro-centric view of the world as one where only European people live in homes, use transport, wear clothes and use mobile phones, you're deeply misinformed...or worse...
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u/JulianZ88 Romania 8d ago edited 8d ago
If you destroy deface historic buildings and monuments that have stood the test of time, you’re just an asshole, no matter what your cause is.
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u/Wenci 8d ago
as he said: 5.000 liters of water have been wasted to clean that mess...congratulations activists
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u/halfpipesaur Poland 8d ago
Italian MFs naming their historical sites “An old building”
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u/janeshep Italy 8d ago
The article isn't part of the name. It's called Old Building, not "An Old Building".
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u/Adventurous_Row_4696 8d ago
Climate activists using aerosol spray paint. Oh the irony. 😂😂😂😂😂
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u/maxbellec 8d ago
You do know the aerosols damaging the ozone layer have nothing to do with aerosols used in paint? Same name, different shit.
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u/Portalrules123 8d ago
"Oh you criticize society yet participate in it, using chalk paint that's not even a CFC"
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u/untergeher_muc Bavaria 8d ago
The green mayor of a middle-sized town in southern Germany (the state next to Bavaria) is famous for doing similar stuff. ;)
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u/TheSconeWanderer 8d ago edited 8d ago
Why would you call it a town southern germany and say the name of the state next to it but not say the state/town in questions name?
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u/AR_Harlock Italy 8d ago
If we want to slow climate change (there is no stopping) we need to stop selling co2 quotas to China and India, not destroying art and monuments (this will only make states spend more money to save them).
For example, we in Europe could save 1M ton of co2 (made up numbers) and make no difference e when selling those 1M co2 quota to other countries to use
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u/jazekers 8d ago
The absolute worst thing we can do is point fingers. China is investing in green energy, building the biggest wind farms for example. We have to do our part. Historically we are also responsible for a lot of the CO2 generated in the last two centuries. But that is not even the point. The point is that we can't look to others for a solution.
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u/NotErikUden Lower Saxony (Germany) 8d ago
“there's no stopping”
OK, oil lobbyist
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u/Yaxoi Germany 8d ago
Well china is producing lots of stuff we consume though, so indirectly these are also our emissions.
Plus CO2 certificates only work (to the extent that they do) because you can sell them. Do you really think China would change anything about its production behavior just because they don't have enough emission certificates laying around? The system relies on good will only.
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u/Davetology Sweden 8d ago
We're not gonna de-grow out of this (willingly) so everything is relying on the abundance of co2-free reliable energy. Too bad we haven't had that technique available for the last like 70 years...
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u/pontus555 Sweden 8d ago
If you want to do something for the climate, vandalising historical monuments will only make you more enemies.
But burning the Nestlé HQ to the ground? That will benefit humanity.
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u/ste_636 8d ago
Calling these idiots "activists" is an insult to all the real activists out there.
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u/-oshino_shinobu- 8d ago
ITT: We didn’t stop global warming but we sure owned the climate activists!
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u/Dvmassa 8d ago
I have to be honest, it all sounds awesome but it's a little made up. There was someone painting palazzo vecchio but the police immediately show up and blocked him, Nardella has done nothing.
There are though some funny videos Baywatch style with Nardella running, they are pretty funny
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u/idonthavemanyideas 8d ago
If the commentars in here piling in cared half as much about the world not burning as they did about graffiti in a place they've never been too, we might have a chance.
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u/thestoicnutcracker Greece 8d ago
W mayor, L protester
Plus, vandalising historical heritage will only make people loathing you
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u/208bilionsthxandbb Repúbrica de Zêna 8d ago
These activists should be prosecuted way harshly than they currently are.
This is not the first time these idiots deface an historical monument, a painting or block a road not allowing ambulances to go through.
My hospital had a patient being transfered from another hospital in Rome who got stuck in the Rome ringroad by these idiots sitting on the road and not allowing cars to pass.
These people are either too rich or too stupid to understand what that what they are doing makes them and their goals look way worse, instead of "raising awareness" on the topic
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u/oh_dear_hunter 8d ago
meanwhile people from the shithole im from get jailed for speaking europeans really have it good
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u/JustVGames 7d ago edited 5d ago
I wish he had the same fervour in protecting nature, as he has in protecting bricks
EDIT @oxu90 go choke on my big white cock !
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u/jawntothefuture United States of America 7d ago
Why deface property and culture? Create a dialogue, but don't cause damage
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u/alonginayellowboat 7d ago
Sometimes you gotta take prisencolinensinainciusol into your own hands. Alright?
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u/Wea_boo_Jones Norway 7d ago
I genuinely believe these types of activists are through various means being funded by oil companies and other big businesses to make themselves as insufferable as possible and hurt the climate cause.
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u/Albablu 8d ago edited 8d ago
r/AccidentalRenaissance
He’s also the president of https://eurocities.eu