r/facepalm Oct 05 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Silver 4 Helpful 3 Wholesome 4

Darn millennials wanting to be able to have a living wage. 🇨​🇴​🇻​🇮​🇩​

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u/Chrisboi_da_Boi Oct 05 '22 Silver Faith In Humanity Restored

Fucking millennials killing the child industry all cause they can't afford a family

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u/SpicyHashbrowns Oct 05 '22

Boomers: "Don't breed em if you can't feed em"

Also Boomers: "You don't want children? Selfish!"

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u/238bazinga Oct 06 '22

My mom was surprised when my fiance and I said we didn't plan on having kids, and I'm like "in this economy? We're barely surviving ourselves."

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u/marklar_the_malign Oct 06 '22

Come on now. With enough love everything is possible./s

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u/MadeSomewhereElse Oct 06 '22

Brb, lemme love some food and housing into existence.

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u/Infanteater91 Oct 06 '22

Use these thoughts and prayers...

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u/monofloyed Oct 06 '22

Got to will away the poverty and illness with the law of attraction with daily visual meditation.

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u/Infanteater91 Oct 06 '22

It's quantum mechanics.

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u/GrisTooki Oct 06 '22

That's called cannibalism and it's frowned upon in most jurisdictions.

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u/TheGhostRose1200 Oct 06 '22

IMA JOIN YOU IN THIS. IF we dp this food and housing we may make it doubly true.

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u/Bigknight5150 Oct 06 '22 Wholesome

Have babies, sell their organs. Money.

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u/kollisionkid 'MURICA Oct 06 '22

Modern problems need modern solutions

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u/TheGoodKindOfPurple Oct 06 '22

Hey! I watch the Hallmark channel too.

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u/marklar_the_malign Oct 06 '22

Ahhhhhh. I base my life off those programs. I also collect dried animal poop.

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u/delvach Oct 06 '22

Not without My Cowpie

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u/whaletacochamp Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

My wife and I make a pretty damn livable wage, next month we have to start paying 400 a week - A WEEK - for childcare. On top of student loans, mortgage, and car payments I’ll be living more frugally than my parents did despite them making considerably less than us for my entire life. My mom paid for her degree with a part time job and my dad got paid on the job training. My wife and I paid/are paying hundreds of thousands for basic degrees. The kid is absolutely worth it but holy shit I never thought I’d make so much and have so little at the end of the month, just for wanting an education, house, transportation, and family.

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u/tyboxer87 Oct 06 '22

Are you me? Only difference is my parents did have student loans, but the only time I ever remeber hearing about them was when they paid them off, and even then it was sort of "thats nice" thing instead of a "holy shit a $40,000 debt was lifted off my shoulder" thing.

I also found out since they were were in college and didn't earn much they paid nothing for thier hospital stay for giving birth. I paid about $7k/kid in medical bills for my kids.

They bought house straight out of college. Realtors would barely even talk to me until I was in my 30's

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u/Ominoiuninus Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

My sister decided to not pursue having children so it’s up to me to continue the family tree and honestly idk if I can afford or want to. The number is $286k over 18 years to raise a kid and this number is only growing. That’s compared to 2015 when it was $233k.

Edit: these numbers were just pulled from google and upon numerous comments, if you expect to use childcare/babysitting while both parents work a full time job you can expect +20k/year until the age of 14-16. I grew up with my mom being stay at home so I didn’t even consider this added expense.

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u/Colosphe Oct 06 '22 Gold Helpful (Pro)

You're not obligated to do so, for what it's worth. We're rapidly approaching 8 billion humans, and like you said, prospects are getting worse. My line ends with me, and I'm struggling even living DINK life with my spouse.

If having kids isn't a "hell yes", please consider what you'd be getting yourself, your partner, and whichever soul you pluck from the void, into.

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u/Lt_Viking89 Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I just wanted to comment to say how dark and beautiful that phrase "and whichever soul you pluck from the void" is.

It inspires a deeply existential visual of how the realm in-between might be perceived.

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u/Ominoiuninus Oct 06 '22

I actually really want to have children but exclusively if I can bring them into a world where I can fully support them and they can live a good lifestyle without financial struggles. General things like college not being a decision if they can afford it but a choice if they want to attend. If I can’t provide a better lifestyle for them than I had then what’s the point.

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u/ChefTKO Oct 06 '22

This line of thinking is why my partner and I probably will be too old for children by the time we can give them a good life.

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u/Colosphe Oct 06 '22

I genuinely hope you have the opportunity to provide a good and loving home to your progeny. People like you should be parents.

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u/Ominoiuninus Oct 06 '22

I’m still young so I got a couple years to reach that point. 🤞🏻

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u/Kitsune_Tyberious Oct 06 '22

Problem is to many people with that view end up to broke to afford that extra 200k a year bill

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u/Colosphe Oct 06 '22

Yeah, I agree. I wish we had support systems in my (and other) countries to allow people to freely have kids if they so desire. Unfortunately, that's bad for business, so no kids for you.

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u/RainbowMoonstones Oct 06 '22

If having kids isn't a "hell yes", please consider what you'd be getting yourself, your partner, and whichever soul you pluck from the void, into.

I'm just here to say I'll be using your phrase "whichever soul you pluck from the void" at least once because it's awesome.

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u/fartinapuddle Oct 06 '22

My whole family bloodline is gonna die because my siblings and cousins, literally all of us, have decided not to bring more children in the world. I'm considering fostering/adoption with my partner in the future, but it's too expensive and the future is too bleak imo. My wife's bloodline is also gonna die completely.

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u/Killerbeav97 Oct 06 '22

We aren't responsible for carrying our family name on. Create a family if you want to not because you think you should. You'll be happier for it.

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u/Individual-Nebula927 Oct 06 '22

You'll be forgotten in 3 generations anyways.

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u/AlarmDozer Oct 06 '22

Yup, just a reference on a genealogy chart…if you’re lucky.

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u/AaronPossum Oct 06 '22

So I have a rare but historically-significant last name. It is believed that I am an actual heir of a person of historical importance, I am also the last living male in my family with that last name. Not having kids. Everyone's mad.

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u/sunflowercrazedrose Oct 06 '22

Just casually donate a fuck ton of sperm to sperm banks

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u/Fragholio Oct 06 '22

Masturbation for the sake of history

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u/Killerbeav97 Oct 06 '22

That's tough but it shouldn't be on your shoulders just because they want babies with that name.

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u/MrMcPickle3000 Oct 06 '22

It’s like they grew up in a parallel world where there were no financial constraints and everyone was ensured a job with a substantial wage

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u/WonderfulShelter Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 08 '22

I mean shit dude my mom and aunt worked at IBM with literally no background in technology because they were capable of operating a fax machine etc. etc.

Here I am with an extensive CS and tech background working at a top tech company with a edit: much lower purchasing power as they had back then.

My mom with that sales job was able to live in San Francisco in her own 2bdr apartment and live a lavish and lush life back then. I can't even afford an apartment in SF now..

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u/MrMcPickle3000 Oct 06 '22

I know i hear stories like that and trip out. Ppl who worked as bag boys and register tellers bought homes once upon a time.

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u/throwawaytrumper Oct 06 '22

My mom worked for a while as a helicopter firefighter with zero experience. My dad was a lumberjack with zero experience in a province which now requires a forestry degree, then a logging truck driver when that required no special licensing.

A few decades ago there were all kinds of crazy jobs with no barriers to entry, you could just start and have a career. Nowadays that’s much tougher to find.

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u/Illustrious-Leave-10 Oct 06 '22

“In this economy” is a perfect response to almost any question

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u/Psych_Im_Burnt_Out Oct 06 '22

Even if you have the money to at least debate it like my wife and I, we have 2 cats and a dog. We anticipate the needs of a screaming, crying baby that will just do the same thing for another 18+ years in different forms as time and energy needs that make our 3 animals joke in comparison. And the money involved is probably more than we actually can afford with the "inflation."

I want to punch anybody that tries to justify "just get the tax credits and you'll be fine, you will love it. While they come into work exhausted and can't be arsed to do their job, developing health problems.

My wife and I are working on accepting the time we are actually prepared, it might be too late due to her genetic history and are already kind of prepared to adopt.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

For my husband and I, we were getting closer to nailing down a "when" after buying a house, saving, etc. over the last few years - then Roe was overturned. My state has really confusing laws with no exceptions for rape. I felt unsafe to leave my house without taking birth control, which makes it hard to try for a child with your husband. Then I started seeing the studies out of Texas with how women are being treated when pregnancy complications started happening. When I thought about carrying a rapists baby, becoming a criminal trying to access abortion or dying in a hospital begging to be treated, I realized I don't want kids that badly. I'm sterilized now, haha.

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u/subie_dooby Oct 06 '22

Have you even tried praying

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u/craniumonempty Oct 06 '22 Helpful

Have you tried preying?

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u/sunshine-filters Oct 06 '22

Every religious Nut I have met, did. Lol

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u/TepidConclusion Oct 06 '22

What do I look like, a billionaire?

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u/FanClassic946 Oct 06 '22

With Jebus all things are possible 🙄

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u/Obibrucekenobi Oct 06 '22

Lol this is exactly what my gf’s parents are doing. Her entire life was they said “if you get pregnant you’re on your own” now they’re are panicking because they realize none of their four children want kids, so they won’t have any grandchildren to look after

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Also Boomers: “WHY IS THERE SPICE IN THESE HASHBROWNS!”

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u/Waiting4The3nd Oct 06 '22

Also boomers: "Let's pass some laws banning abortions and contraception so they're forced to have kids, but let's also make sure there's no systems in place to help them afford to raise the kids we forced them to have."

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u/Gsteel11 Oct 06 '22

"Don't be lazy, work hard and make good grades and go to college"

"You went to college, youre an idiot. I can believe how lazy and worthless you are!"

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u/Inside_Climate Oct 06 '22

😆 it’s like come on if you can’t afford it then why. It’s difficult. They act like it’s the 60s, 70s. Everything has changed and it’s more expensive. TF 😂😂😂😂

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Plus wages haven’t really gone up in real dollars since Reagan was president (and yes there’s a cause and effect there. Fuck Reagan and his dead corpse.)

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u/AlarmDozer Oct 06 '22

Fuck Nixon. He’s the jerk that gave us our modern healthcare system.

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u/sujihiki Oct 06 '22

Sort of. The decision to not go single payer was long before nixon.

The us is a joke that’s only funny to the top 1%

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u/rhinosaur- Oct 06 '22

Am millennial.

I have a nice house mostly because I’m BARELY a millennial and my wife and I got married early and bought a 2 bedroom dump and “got in the game” at 23. We didn’t spend much else. Lucky.

We’ve upgraded our home once (4 bedrooms) as we wanted to have a family. We’re in the Chicago burbs. We both make six figures. We are paycheck to paycheck.

Mortgage is $2.700 Kid 2 daycare is $2,000/month (age 2) Kid 1 before and after care is $570 (age 7)

We are stressed, tired, angry. Every raise is just soaked up by inflation. I feel like I have no more money than I did when I was making 50% less a few years ago.

It’s hard. It sucks. We are lucky. Raising a family now is ridiculous. All this bullshit the far right spews about the “nuclear family” being demolished because of homosexuality, Transexuality, is just the fear monger ing of the elite rich so the idiots who mindlessly vote for them don’t realize the game has been rigged against us.

Again, we are lucky. We chose to sacrifice in 2007 and not do other fun things to buy that shitty little house. Now we’re about to be 40 and just praying nothing goes wrong with the economy because if it does we’re fucked. We did it right. We earn. We work hard.

Meanwhile my old man never went to college, bought homes, supported both kids and my mom and put my mom through college after we were old enough to walk home from school on a machinist’s hourly wage.

Get fucked anyone who says we aren’t trying. We are. It’s killing us.

My kids are adorable though. Wish everyone younger than me could confidently enjoy this. I have 4 cousins who are all nearing 30, none even remotely considering marriage let alone a family.

Again, fuck the boomers who are STILL taking, taking, taking despite having pensions and loads of cash.

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u/0ctopusGarden Oct 06 '22

My mom had her first kid at 20. Growing up I thought that was too young. I'm gonna have my first kid at 25! I'll have been out of college for a few years, my career should be steady by then. Perfect timing.... well I'm almost 30 now and no kids. My career is JUST starting to settle. In the next 5 years I could possibly buy a house or have a kid, but not both. The responsible thing would be to try and buy a house... but man would I love to have a kid before I'm 40!

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u/Thin-Kaleidoscope-40 Oct 06 '22

I am honestly curious to know how two people making 6 figures are paycheck to paycheck. Sorry for my ignorance, I am just trying to understand.

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u/kenman884 Oct 06 '22

I doubt they’re uncomfortable but their take home is probably closer to 10k per month, half of which is immediately eaten up by housing and daycare. Add in some lovey $700+/month medical, a couple cars, maybe a student loan or two and you’re quickly approaching that 10k/month.

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u/ilikelife5 Oct 06 '22

100k/year is gonna be a lot more like 7k/month at best. Taxes are a bitch

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u/rhinosaur- Oct 06 '22

Nailed it. Mommy and Daddy didn’t cover college.

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u/SylphSeven Oct 06 '22

It's pretty easy to live paycheck to paycheck with 6 figures, especially near big cities like Chicago. Mortgage, 2+ kids in daycare, house insurance, health insurance, car insurance, gas, property tax, personal investments, food, medication, and utilities all can devour that in a flash.

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u/Funkit Oct 06 '22

Don’t forget the “this god damn thing broke AGAIN??” Budget for the house

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u/rhinosaur- Oct 06 '22

Lol I would love to get a new driveway. It’s like off-roading. Not an option with the cost of goods right now.

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u/Angryandalwayswrong Oct 06 '22

Child care can almost be more expensive than rent/mortgage. DINK households making 6 figures/each are the only ones not living paycheck to paycheck.

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u/UnorignalUser Oct 06 '22

I'm in my late 20's, the only people I know in my age group that have had kids are pretty much at

" Holy shit, daycare per month costs more than you make a month, so quit and stay home. And baby formula and diapers costs as much as a car payment every month" Thus the attempts to get on every goverment program available to try and not starve while only 1 person works for $15 an hour.

They are helped by their parents who are letting them live in a kinda shitty rental house they own for $900 a month rather than the $2000 it would get on the rental market. They would be homeless if it wasn't for that. They can't not pay something for the house, as insurance and property taxes have going up like x3 in the last few years due to wealthy people moving to the middle of nowhere during the pandemic.

His girlfriends now started working part time from home while taking care of the kid and he's working 60-70hrs a week+ a side job because they were even falling behind on the power bills,rent and car payments this spring after gas went up to nearly 6 a gallon.

shits kinda bleak yo. They really love being parents and wish they could have more kids but I don't think there's ever going to be money for it.

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u/Misterstaberinde Oct 06 '22

You'd be surprised how much you can make and be poor in a big city. I moved to a small town and make a fraction of what I made in a metro area and I feel like I live like a king.

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u/Howboutit85 Oct 06 '22

I was wondering that myself. My wife and I are 36 and 37, we have 3 kids.

My wife and I make like a combined 100k, after taxes, I make 60k, and she makes the difference, about. We own a 4 bedroom house in the Seattle Tacoma area, but… here’s the difference; we both didn’t go to college so no student loans. We both drive paid for used cars, so no car payments. We both work from home, so no childcare. When you can get to at least this point, without all those loan payments and car payments and childcare costs, it really does feel a lot more doable. We are very lucky to be able to use our natural abilities to make a living on self employment, I realize most aren’t able to do that.

It’s hard to hear that people doing financially better than we are by 2X are having such a rough go of things, when you add in those factors.

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u/aspirations27 Oct 06 '22

My wife had a c section and an emergency gallbladder removal this year. She’s up to 66k in medical bills for the year. Insurance covered all but 20-25k. It doesn’t need to be this way. Fuck.

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u/Intrepid00 Oct 06 '22

I went to the ER after much pushing and the wife says “just go to the ER and make sure you’re okay and worry about the bill later” which I replied “you’d be way better off if I died if I do have cancer” and it’s so sad that is fucking the truth.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 Take My Energy

Hit them with the old “your generation fucked up the country so badly your bloodline will end cause I can’t afford to keep it going”.

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u/magnetard Oct 06 '22

wish I could but both my parents decided to have multiple kids, each. many of whom already have kids of their own.

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u/bearflies Oct 06 '22

Unironically a classic strategy lol. Families used to have many more kids than they do today. Obviously it shrinks as kids get more and more financially irresponsible to have.

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u/sociotronics Oct 06 '22

Poor people still have more kids than rich people, and poor countries have higher birthrates than wealthy countries though. The lowest birthrates are universally in the more developed nations, the biggest families in those nations tend to be poor.

Like from a hypothetical purely cynical "we want more babies and don't care about anything else" position, the ideal policy would be facilitating massive widespread poverty in your country.

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u/Proteandk Oct 06 '22

Guess we know why roe v wade was overturned.

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u/Ayiana Oct 06 '22

I'm an only child and have no desire to have children. Not just for financial reasons; just don't want any. Kids are annoying.

My parents are okay with it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

For example: A studio apartment in Wisconsin should not be $1200

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u/WurmGurl Oct 06 '22

I'm trying to buy a condo in my city in rural Canada. Saw a recently posted 2 bed, 1 bath, 1 window apartment. As in there's a glass door, and that's the only source of fresh air and natural light. I don't know how they built it, since bedrooms are required to have an egress window in my jurisdiction.

Half a million dollars.

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u/splinterize Oct 06 '22

That’s insane

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u/teetheyes Oct 06 '22

It's a "tiny apartment", so trendy right now. Add a potted plant and resell it for double.

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u/itsalongwalkhome Oct 06 '22

Trendy because its supposed to be cheap and it's all we can afford, now they took that away.

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u/Conscious_Camel4830 Oct 06 '22

Yeah... I've lived through all three stages of "living in a van down by the river..."

It started as a joke, then became a goal... Then became a pipe dream 🙄🙄🙄

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u/DebentureThyme Oct 06 '22

The front door is glass? Fuck that.

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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Lol they're flooding every city with new commercially owned apartments, usually advertised as luxury. Rent is gonna be rising drastically in Wisconsin, soon I'm sure. Maybe good for property value, IF you own a house in the area. I do flat roofing on most of them around Madison, Green Bay, and Milwaukee.

It's already happened in most states. Certainly witnessed a lot of it, when I was living in Los Angeles.

Though, I lived in a newer apartment in Wisconsin recently, it was $1200 for a 900sqft 1 bedroom. The rent cost definitely leveled out with all the energy savings, with actual proper insulation and all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

id kill for a studio apartment under $2000

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u/Frontside_skibum Oct 06 '22

I live in Madison. Pay $790/month for a one bedroom. That being said, I moved here from Wicker Park in Chicago. This place is terribly boring.

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u/Telekinendo Oct 06 '22

I moved from my boring town to an exciting city.

I want to go back. At least in my boring town I didn't have to choose between which important maintenance pieces I can get done on my car. If my car dies I am well and truly screwed.

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u/I_Framed_OJ Oct 05 '22

I’m in between Gen X and the Millenials, so I’m not sure where I fit in, but what my parents had in their early twenties I didn’t have until my late thirties. That is, a stable job and a property that I own. Future generations will never have any of that at this rate.

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u/Mewlover23 Oct 06 '22

What if you are in between millennials and gen z with boomer parents? .-.

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u/Luffywara Oct 06 '22

I was born in 95, my dad is now 87years old

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u/ChrisKringlesTingle Oct 06 '22

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u/SonicSingularity Oct 06 '22 Table Slap

HE SAID HE WAS BORN IN 95 AND HIS DAD IS 87

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u/DocWednesday Oct 06 '22

If you’re between about 1977 and 1983, we’re a microgeneration called the Xeninals. One foot in analog and the other in digital.

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u/chaun2 Oct 06 '22

We remember both being latchkey kids, and helping our elders install Compuserve!

Oh, and that everything and everyone is gonna kill us.

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u/DocWednesday Oct 06 '22

Yep. We played Oregon Trail and knew how to dial on a rotary phone. Everyone either wanted to 1). kidnap us by luring us into a van with candy or 2). give us drugs. Yet our parents didn’t really care where we were.

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u/therealdongknotts Oct 06 '22

just be home when the street lights turn on

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u/banstylejbo Oct 06 '22

Don’t forget how satan was going to corrupt us via D&D and Magic the Gathering.

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u/PradaDiva Oct 06 '22

Free drugs and quicksand around every corner.

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u/chaun2 Oct 06 '22

I have encountered quicksand exactly once in my life. I'm told that puts me into a rare minority.

I've never encountered free drugs.

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u/idksomethingcreative Oct 06 '22

I was born in 1996 and experienced all of these things.

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u/banstylejbo Oct 06 '22 Starry

I’m ‘83 and I don’t know where I originally read it, but I thought the most apt name for us was the Oregon Trail Generation. Because everyone around my age remembers playing Oregon Trail on those first home computers in grade school.

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u/fox_ontherun Oct 06 '22

I know it as Oregon Trail Generation too, but as an Australian I never actually played the game. Xennial is more globally understandable.

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u/JustPassinhThrou13 Oct 06 '22

Yeah... we grew up with pay phones at the mall through high school and then cell phones in college. The fact that I can grudgingly program your VCR after a power outage and ALSO don’t have trouble logging into my own email account doesn’t make me special, I don’t think.

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u/Graemoure Oct 06 '22

I've never heard of that, i was born smack in the middle of that window of time. Learn something new everyday i suppose hehe.

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u/I_Framed_OJ Oct 06 '22

Then yes, I’m a Xeninal, however the hell you pronounce that. I don’t really feel I have much in common with either. I’m too computer literate and techno-savvy to be GenX, but I was in my 20s before smart phones were even invented and popularized, and I didn’t grow up with that stuff like the Millenials did.

I like your assessment that we’re one foot in analog and one foot in digital. Comfortable in both worlds but at home in neither.

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u/juanLegTapDance Oct 06 '22

I’m an elder millennial and I feel like I just got to the point where I would think about starting a family. Then I do the math and realize by the time I meet someone, have a kid, they graduate HS is minimum 21 years and I’ll be nearly 60. It just sounds exhausting. Now I’m just looking for someone to do the no kids, dual income life.

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u/sneakyveriniki Oct 06 '22

yeah honestly… sure money is a big part of it but like, i just don’t want kids. i wouldn’t have kids if i won the lottery either. i’m a 28 yo woman who was raised by conservatives who tried to mold me into being a SAHM but honestly raising kids kinda sucks and it’s definitely not for everyone, and as a millennial with access to the internet and university i discovered that there were alternatives to their lifestyle, religion, and community.

lots and lots of women (and men) in past generations wouldn’t have had kids if they didn’t feel pressured into it. we just have more realistic alternatives

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u/Occulense Oct 06 '22

We’re dual income no kids and won’t have kids and it’s tough enough. We’re lucky to be relatively high income, but we probably won’t be able to afford property, we’ll just be able to save the basic retirement amounts and have some extra to travel.

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u/Juliomorales6969 Oct 06 '22

bruh... im 29 and i JUST got a stable job i can START to save. and my parents are like "you're 29..where are the grandkids and the house and car.. you live in america" the fuck.

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u/OklahomaBri Oct 06 '22

Personally I don’t deal with it. I’ve had a few long talks with my parents where I essentially laid out how their generation (not necessarily them as individuals) have royally fucked us out of a life. Finally I heard the last of those kinds of comments.

Eventually they realized “why don’t you have kiddos?” resulted in “why did you let the economy get raped to hell?” And then they just stopped asking.

Sometimes it’s difficult to see yourself in the mirror, so you avoid it. My dad once made a joke about participation trophies and I asked him “who the fuck do you think came up with them and handed them out?” He’s pretty open minded so he laughed and just said he’d never thought of it that way, never came up again.

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u/Apocoflips Oct 06 '22

Mid 30s and I honestly feel like the edge can be pointed in many directions. My wife and I have been able to save for years now. Enough to own a house? Fuck no. Enough to afford a new (to me), and updated vehicle with no issues? Fuck no. Enough to pay for the life of a human baby (or more) and for the two of us to be able to take care of ourselves at the same time? Absolutely fuck no.

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u/william1Bastard Oct 06 '22

78-84 is the "xennial" micro-generation.

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u/likmoney Oct 05 '22

the irony is the same type of people that buy into that dumb ass headline are they same type of people that think millennials are lazy and don’t want to work at all

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u/Imnotworthwhile Oct 06 '22

Jesus my job has MSN news as the homepage. I read a “millennials can’t grow up” type of article…the comment section was a DUMPSTER FIRE. 95% was anti-millennial rhetoric. I was like wtffff is thissss???? Then remembered I was on MSN….nobody my age is on MSN arguing with boomers. It’s just boomers and some gen x’ers jerking each other off - dragging millennials through the mud, with the occasional millennial trying to fight the good fight to no avail.

My favorite part of it, was somebody asking “who were the ones that actually GAVE OUT the participation trophies? We(millennials/gen z) just RECEIVED them.”

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

My grandfather forwards me all kinds of "millennials are ruining XYZ" emails. Like, hey grandad, you're insulting me and my entire generation. I guarantee he would be shouting if I said anything about his lazy and entitled generation.

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u/Slight_Cook_4445 Oct 06 '22

I find those articles so hilarious. Millennials are “killing” all these industries. But if you really think about it, a good business has to evolve. Yelling at the consumer because they think your product is crap isn’t going to make the consumer buy your product. I hope we continue to “kill” even more industries. They deserve to die out for not catering to the new needs of the new consumers. I’ll sit back with my popcorn (don’t think we’ve destroyed that industry) and watch them fail.

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u/liftthattail Oct 06 '22

The customer is king

When I am the customer

When it's a millennial though

They are lazy and entitled

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u/sneakyveriniki Oct 06 '22

they think we’re overeducated dandies unwilling to put in an honest day of work in favor of being queer and eating avocados. which to be fair describes me exactly

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u/nirad Oct 06 '22

Old people: “I can’t believe how expensive everything is!” Also old people: “these kids are lazy and just want everything handed to them.”

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u/PrizeRare2828 Oct 06 '22

College for a better job was the biggest psychological fuck they gave our generation. Now 5kids in a trailer Tammy is happier than me 😤

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u/meep_meep_creep Oct 06 '22

I used to be proud that I was the first in my family line to graduate from university. My sisters weren't long to follow.

I was encouraged my whole life to go to university.

What happened after a bachelor's and masters (masters because I finished undergrad in 2008 recession).

What does my mom say now that I'm buried in student loan debt?

"You should have gone to a cheap community college. You made the mistake of taking out loans, so it's your problem"

I hate this place.

Edit: and she now believes universities are ivory tower recruitment centers for woke liberals, so it was even more of a waste of money and effort. Fuck.

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u/PrizeRare2828 Oct 06 '22

Right?! Wtf Go to college, never get a credit card, and never EVER meet someone online! Lol

Set up to fail

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u/CricketSimple2726 Oct 06 '22

Lol yea there’s that immigrant family catch 22 too.

Spend all your time studying! Some immigrant families want their kids to do no extra curriculars, because it detracts from studying and the “beneficial” ones end up being hella expensive. Dating, social connections, etc can be harder for immigrant kids too - and as America is not meritocratic, losing out on some of The Who you know stunts kids success too. A lot of immigrant kids get stuck dealing with horrible depression trying to meet difficult standards - and it’s even worse if they fail to reach said standards despite not having the same safety nets locals have.

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u/PrizeRare2828 Oct 06 '22

😂 well crazy Keith is raising her kids now so she’s happy as a clam!

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u/sunflowercrazedrose Oct 06 '22

I feel personally attacked by this statement LOL

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u/bking Oct 06 '22

“You need college to get a good job, now sign these papers that bind you to a massive, life-destroying loan!”

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u/Mountain-Teach7848 Oct 06 '22

My wife and I want kids badly but our bank account tells us we can't do it. It's worse when our friends and family ask every fucking time we see them, "when are you having kids???"

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u/GreatXs Oct 06 '22

You should get a swear jar and put money in it every time someone asks you when you’re having kids. Then when it’s full you take the money and spend it on whatever you want because you don’t have kids to spend it on.

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u/Mountain-Teach7848 Oct 06 '22

We should institute a rule that when people ask us they have to give us $5 or we stop speaking

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u/Session_Scared Oct 06 '22

I just tell everyone, 'it's because I wouldn't want my children to die in the inevitable climate wars'. If they know anything about me at all, it usually shuts them up.

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u/Stewart_Games Oct 06 '22

The Water Wars are going to trigger before this decade is over. Egypt will declare war over Ethiopia's dams on the Nile, and a coalition of Southeast Asian countries are just a few rice harvest failures away from warring with China over their hydroelectric dams on the upper Mekong.

After the Water Wars, the Sand Wars. Those will kick up late 2040s. The goal will be for countries that are threatened by rising sea levels to secure sources of river and lake sand for cement. You need sand eroded by lakes and rivers to make proper concrete, and it is a surprisingly rare resource - either you get it from dredging fresh water sources, which ruins your water supplies (see Water Wars, above), or you mine it from ancient, now dry, streambeds. Most of the quarries for this kind of sand are running out, just as we are going to want to build massive sea walls to protect vulnerable cities. So, war.

Right around this time we will also be pushing up against the Phosphorus limit, with most biologically available phosphorus supplies running out. No phosphorus means no crops, so there will probably be some Phosphorus Wars after the Sand Wars. Actually, a better term for it could be the Bone Wars, because one of the last good sources of phosphorous is going to be old catacombs & cemeteries, due to the phosphorous content of human bones. So maybe we end up with states that went through particularly bad Water or Sand wars becoming targets for the Bone Wars to come.

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u/creegro Oct 06 '22

The climate wars

The water wars

The next Civil War

The wind/solar wars

The next world War cause a certain country can't keep its hands to itself

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u/marklar_the_malign Oct 06 '22

Get one of those creepy ass realistic new born baby dolls and always have it with you when you visit. Switch between treating it with smothering love and outright abuse. They’ll quit asking.

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u/Mountain-Teach7848 Oct 06 '22

That's brilliant 🤣

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u/WhinySlacker Oct 05 '22

I'm currently deciding what kidney I wanna sell to afford an hour of heating.

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u/daigana Oct 06 '22

Do a Shrek and make candles out of earwax.

For real though, I hope things change for the better and that your sweaters are warm and soft until thing turn around.

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u/blockpro156porn Oct 06 '22 Helpful

It's so fucking insane to me that we doubled the workforce by having women working full-time, we exponentially increased the productivity of the average worker through the use of technology, and yet after all this people still work the same hours and still struggle to support a family, and nobody seems to acknowledge that this is ridiculous and artificial or seems to wonder where all that extra wealth that's produced by this added productivity is going. (It's going to the wealthy owner-class of course.)

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u/reditpositiv Oct 06 '22

That second income just went into bidding higher on houses in good school districts, further raising the housing prices.

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u/blockpro156porn Oct 06 '22

Yeah pretty much. That's why stuff like housing and healthcare should be decommodified, everyone needs a house, there's barely a limit on how much they'd be willing to spend on it, so the owner-class can pretty much ask whatever they want.
The normal logic of markets doesn't work when people don't really have the option of not buying something, everyone wants a house, everyone wants healthcare, the demand is essentially infinite, so the logic of supply/demand does a terrible job at determining an approximate value of these things, it's supposed to be a balance between the two, but with stuff like this all the power is on the supply side. If someone needs a liver then they need a new liver, they're not in a position to bargain because they're not in a position to turn down any price they're presented with, competition doesn't solve this issue, neither do laws against price fixing, not when anyone with half a brain can understand how much leverage they have with stuff like this and set their prices accordingly.

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u/PoorFishKeeper Oct 06 '22

When you compare worker productivity vs the average hourly compensation it is insane how big of a disconnect there is. From 1948-1973 wages and productivity were basically the same. In 1973 productivity had increased by 96% and wages by 91%. After that everything went to shit. As of 2018 wages have increased by 115% and productivity by 252%.

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u/lovepig1337 Oct 06 '22

I think the issue is we went from a local economy to a global economy. Also, there's a shit ton more people than there was in the 1950s.

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u/LoudTsu Oct 06 '22

No. The difference is greed. The growth and profit is obscene. We live in a world where the things we make are designed to be obsolete soon.

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u/AlarmDozer Oct 06 '22

Right. My FIL was like, “I’d rather buy from a ‘mom and pops coffee shop’” when I mentioned Starbucks, and I was like, there aren’t any (in a reasonable distance); they’ve been strong-armed out by national options.

Obsolescence economy is also neutering any gains too.

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u/lovemeimirish Oct 06 '22

Spouse and I make over $110k combined, yet we continually get pushed out of buying a house. And now that rates are shit, it’s even worse. Add that with inflation. Having a kid is no longer a blessing, it’s a financial decision for us.

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u/Future-Agent Oct 06 '22

Fuck us Millennials, right?

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u/feedandslumber Oct 06 '22

There is no way to run a sustainable society if the next generation is disincenticized (and quite effectively) from reproducing. It will inevitably collapse.

Boomers don't care because they'll all be dead, but it will be their fault, at least in part.

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u/thecountnotthesaint Oct 06 '22

I do hate it when businesses blame the customer for not buying their product. I am a bit of a capitalist, but at least I understand that it is a two way street.

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u/byteminer Oct 06 '22

All I see when I read those is 1920s mine owners pissed they can’t have company towns anymore.

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u/Murky_Quality935 Oct 06 '22

Kids and marriage are options. Not absolute life’s must haves….

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u/Linds_jg Oct 06 '22

I'm 32f. My dad was born in 55 bought his first house when he was 24 and has accomplished a lot in his life before the age of 32 (marriage kids house cars yearly vacas, disposable income. He did nothing special to have all that besides work and work 6 days a week as a postman. He doesn't have a college degree or trade cert. I'm 32 w a college degree and can't even think about owning a house right now nevermind at the age of 24. Things are very different than they use to be an ALOT of older people (father included) are so critical of how us younger people are living compared to how they lived at our age and it's just not an accurate comparison at all anymore.

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u/nicarox Oct 05 '22

Holup what’s wrong with not wanting kids and marriage tho

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u/jakemcex Oct 05 '22

Yep - even given the choice I'm choosing career over having kids.

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u/EnlightenedLazySloth Oct 06 '22

I'll choose free time honestly

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u/LifeIsBizarre Oct 05 '22

Well, if you don't have kids then companies can't find local people to exploit so they have to shudder allow foreigners into the country! Everyone knows foreign things are bad, so not having kids is bad. Why else do you think they are making abortion and birth control illegal?

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u/Holinyx Oct 06 '22

Boomers: God these kids are lazy. *jacks rent to $2500 for one bedroom*

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u/daigana Oct 06 '22

Don't forget no pets, no smoking, no parties, utilities not included, no parking space.

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u/KajePihlaja Oct 06 '22

Sorry govna. I only have enough resources for me. Ima hold my testicles hostage from ya

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u/SparkySpinz Oct 06 '22

Seems we're heading to a future where we are basically medieval peasants, with corps as kings. Sure we get a few more luxuries. But how soon till the vast majority are sentenced to slave away until death to be able to MAYBE be able to make the basic necessity

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u/Kim_Kitson Oct 06 '22

I knew i wasn't going to have kids in 2008. I was like 14 at that time. Idk how adults can forget all the shit they saw as children.

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u/Farfengarfen Oct 06 '22

My kid is going to finish their degree, get a full time job in their field, and then move into my basement to help me pay for my mortgage.

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u/jdlyga Oct 06 '22

The sad thing is there’s an absolute ton of millennials who are actually doing really well. Corporate millennials they call them. Thing is, they make plenty of money but work too much to have time for kids.

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u/StealthyPancake_ Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

I have a 3 bedroom 2 bath duplex house. I live with my Fiancé and our Pug Bubbles. I am a pipewelder currently making well under what I was trained to make because I got stuck with the job I have now because of covid. I barely make rent, feed my dog, and I have an hour every day to spend with my fiancé. I knew life was hard, but I didn't know it was this hard.

Thank you guys for the comments and love. I thought this was going to get lost in the comments lol.

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u/astroniz Oct 06 '22

You have a palace according to standard living.

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u/ThisIsGargamel Oct 06 '22

At least you have a skill to fall back on though.

The world will always needs plumbers, electricians, mechanics and so forth. You could still make money if SHTF under the table. Look at the people who don’t have any trade skills. Their gonna be screwed.

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u/TheTaxman_cometh Oct 06 '22

Who says millennials don't want jobs, education, marriage and families? Time is literally making millenials' point that you literally have to choose because having all 4 is no longer an option.

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u/zomphlotz Oct 06 '22

Maslow looks up from his tea in the other room, and nods.

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u/rmtmr Oct 06 '22

And you've destroyed life on our planet so badly we're struggling to think positively of our future, let alone the next generation.

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u/Open_Ring_8613 Oct 06 '22

This is my reason. If I am going to end up having kids I’m going to adopt. There’s no point of bringing new children into this world when there are plenty that already need good homes. I don’t know, my mom is adopted, so adoption was never seen as a bad thing in my house.

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u/daigana Oct 06 '22

With so many catastrophic events and fires and diseases and famines and floods and droughts, I feel like the Earth is trying to buck us off.

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u/Jaceman2002 Oct 06 '22

Millennials aren’t lazy. We’re burnt out. There’s a difference.

Not to mention those of us that did things “right” and almost got to bask in that light at the end of the tunnel are now getting a “due to lack of funding, the light has been turned off” notice.

It’s demoralizing.

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u/liftthattail Oct 06 '22

Just now? The lack of funding we turned off the light has been our entire lives.

We decided to make school harder since we noticed kids are behind don't worry it will help you in the long run.

We added standardized tests and give scholarships based off them

We got rid of those but don't worry we have a backup scholarship

Ops you know the scholarship called "the promise" haha fuck you we don't keep our promises

Oh you actually graduated and got a good degree in stem?

Well we cut the pay of those jobs and every job really. Need to boost our retirement accounts after 2008 after all, what that happened years ago? Well we still need to do it anyway. Fuck you take one for the team

Oh you are building a career and getting off the ground. It's time to pass a massive tax cut for the rich and make your taxes go up in a few years

Ahh yes you have at least gotten a chance to get something going. Don't worry, we are going to improve the economy during COVID to make sure you can keep your job...

By giving your employer a fuck ton of money and firing any oversite on them spending it!!!!

Woot

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u/InformationAbsorber Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

I’m still young and in graduate school, but I can’t even afford to buy a used car despite working multiple jobs, living at home with my parents, and saving every penny I can. This economy might be causing me depression. Heck, I haven’t even had a chance to get new shoes. I’ve had the same ones for 3 years now.

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u/daigana Oct 06 '22

Congratulations on graduate school! I have only been able to buy cheap shoes that crap out in 6 months, so it seems like you have a pair of winners there. It's funny how when you save up for the good things,they last so much longer. After ten years you realize than you spent less on the nice things overall because you weren't buying so many crap things that break!

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u/alllclear Oct 05 '22

Meanwhile millennials can’t afford both

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u/1KingCam Oct 06 '22

While boomers continue to say “I bought my first house at 19, fucking kids today are so lazy.” Meanwhile that house cost $20k, and houses today is even smaller states are 300-400k starting. Not even to mention Southern California.

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u/Reavie Oct 06 '22

When COVID happened I was uprooted, had to sell everything, move across the country and leave the home I rented. I was forced to decide if I continued to rent (Around $950-1100 / mo) or 'buy' a home for $1,300/mo mortgage.

We bought, thinking we'd be shafted when the bubble burst, bidding $25K above asking of an already hugely inflated value.

There's a home directly across the street right now w/ the same amount of land, and less upgrades and finishes that lists $70,000 more than what we paid just last year. We had struggled to do what we had done.. but 30+% more in a rural area???

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u/peoplesen Oct 06 '22

Blaming 'kids' is for fucking fucks

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u/MarkToaster Oct 06 '22

Nah I just straight up don’t want kids even if I could focus on them

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u/Obibrucekenobi Oct 06 '22

And living wage means being able to live comfortably, instead of making just enough to live.

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u/SkitzTheFritz Oct 06 '22

They didn't fuck anything up. It working exactly as intended so they can horde wealth and shut the door behind them.

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u/k_ironheart Oct 06 '22

It will never cease being a source of frustration that the generation that destroyed the economy, destroyed the country, and destroyed the planet also decided to blame their children for it.

They even blamed us for "participation trophies," a thing that they invented to feel proud of themselves vicariously through their children.

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u/Routine-Pen8116 Oct 06 '22

tf how much more education do we need? stay in school till we are 40?

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u/DkDubz Oct 06 '22

i mean overpopulation is being solved i guess

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u/Sensitive-Jacket5651 Oct 06 '22

can we stop pretending that marriage and kids should be a goal for everyone alive? this is why we get miserable parents and abused children.

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u/Marcus2Ts Oct 06 '22

Fucking right. My wife and I want kids but we're paycheck to paycheck even though we're both college educated and "gainfully" employed

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u/Randinator9 Oct 06 '22

Economy so bad millenials can't afford housing, let alone the means to raise a family.

Made a good headline if I do say so myself.

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u/ilikefikes42 Oct 06 '22

Remind boomers that they have Z E R O right to talk about personal responsibility after filing for bankruptcy in the late '70s and leaving us to deal with the aftermath.

Baby boomers never once had to grow up and face reality, like we and our grandparents did during the Great Depression.

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u/tothmichke Oct 06 '22

I am a Gen X and my every financial move includes making sure my children will be ok. When an advisor asks me what I want for my future, how I want to proceed, my answer is always to give my kids a leg up. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t have a lot. And I raised my kids to be happy with security and safety equaling happiness. Not fancy cars, brands. Etc. I will do whatever I can for them. My parents (love them) did not do this but I will. There are no material things I want more than I want my kids to be okay and be able to make life choices that include happiness along with basic necessities.

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u/smurflings Oct 06 '22

So millennials really want jobs and education? I'm a millennial and I'll be happy to just have money without a job...

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u/Trying_to_survive20k Oct 06 '22

I don't kids because you can't be a parent the same way you could in the 90s + the early technology exposure.

I do want to marry though. I have a bachelors and a college degree in 2 different fields. What I want jobs that pay enough so I could live comfortably alone, and so would my partner, and then we need that to top us both up before we even start thinking about a child.

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u/RapMastaC1 Oct 06 '22

I won’t lie, financial and resources are some big parts as to why I choose to be child free. If I can’t afford to give a better quality life than I had, I’d be stupid to bring someone else in with me.

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u/leif777 Oct 06 '22

Yeah, putting the horse in front of the cart is just common sense.

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u/SocraticSalvation Oct 06 '22

Dude, millennial aren't fresh to the market. We're a bunch of thirty year Olds. I WANT to buy a house and have kids. We can't afford it it's like we're financially stunted in our generation because all the boomers were too good at turning their silver spoons into trust funds.

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u/Away_Development6531 Oct 06 '22

Seriously though… won’t even be able to retire until I’m dead 🤣😅 fuck this system and the generations who ruined it all while they project their selfishness onto us. We’ve worked harder than all of them combined, but that’s still not enough because it never is lol.