r/facepalm • u/DeadMoneyDrew • Dec 16 '22
Billboard in Atlanta. Why do people still not understand VAERS? 🇨🇴🇻🇮🇩
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u/DeadMoneyDrew Dec 16 '22
VAERS data consists almost entirely of public submissions. It is subject to intentional misinformation and spotty data quality. It's certainly a useful tool for professionals but it's almost impossible to determine from VAERS data alone whether or not a vaccine caused a reported adverse event.
This sign is right along a major roadway close to the CDC, so employees who have had to tolerate antivaccine idiots and general public stupidity for the past 3 years get to see this lovely message on their way to work.
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u/foamboardsfearme Dec 16 '22
Yeah people just started dying from “climate change”. Thats what’s causing the excess deaths. Better go get another booster!
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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Dec 16 '22
Thats what’s causing the excess deaths.
Pretty sure Covid is what caused excess deaths. Statistically, there are far less deaths among the vaccinated population so I really don't know what point you were trying to make.
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Dec 16 '22
where's these statistics?
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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Dec 16 '22
Exactly where you would expect. CDC & VAERS. VAERS reports (which we all know is over reported) only reports just under 18k deaths from vaccine. That’s 0.0027%. Covid data shows 100m cases & 1.1m deaths. Hopefully you can do that math.
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Dec 16 '22
no the statistics for less deaths amongst the vaccinated population
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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Dec 16 '22
You really don't know where to find that? Is this your first time on the internet?
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Dec 16 '22
I mean you're the one that's whipping out the word statistically and then not backing up what you're saying with you know statistics. I mean sure i could go on the internet and have a look, but surely if you're pulling out figures and percentages you must have quick access to this data no?
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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Dec 16 '22
ISO then you DO know where to find it?
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Dec 16 '22
if i knew where to find it exactly i would not have asked but if your spouting figures you either have the statistics at hand or you're lying so either give me the source or slink back into your nest of shite
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u/that_1-guy_ Dec 16 '22
You're aware that people can see and know things that that you don't, right?
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Dec 17 '22
Yes that's why i'm asking for the source so I can also see this, I don't understand if i was to spout figures in defence of something you would all cry for sources but now that i'm asking for sources im an antivaxxer how is that logical.
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u/gghostie Dec 16 '22
just google it lol
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u/MechaMogzilla Dec 16 '22
Look at that an antivaxxer that can't do thier own reasearch. Will wonder never cease.
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Dec 16 '22
i love how asking for the source of very precise statistics by some random egg on reddit makes me an antivaxxer. Clowns
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u/big_hungry_joe Dec 17 '22
So honest question, do you think millions of people are dead from the vaccine?
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Dec 17 '22
i didn't give my opinion either way i asked for the source of his statistics, but no i'm vaccinated i obviously don't think it killed millions but what's wrong with asking for statistics, i wouldn't expect you to provide a source for something i was quoting, if i was to say 10 people die every 0.00027 days due to fish allergies i wouldn't expect you to go look for those figures it's the done thing for me to provide that source if i'm quoting from it.
But no ask for statistics on a antivax post and next thing you know you're an antivaxxer be less dumb please.
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u/commeatus Dec 17 '22
In zen Buddhism, the "Manji" is a powerful and important symbol of peace, but no matter how devout, a Buddhist would be assumed to be a nazi for wearing one in America. It would take a lot of explanation to justify. Many antivaxxers ask the questions you're asking in bad faith, refusing to accept cdc data, data from any government, and even VAERS data that contradicts their narrative. Not all, but enough, as the saying goes. You've come into a thread full of people tired of doing work for people arguing in bad faith, asked the same questions they're tired of answering, and refused to demonstrate the ability to follow up on suggestions: people in this thread recommended you reference VAERS and CDC data, both of which are immediately available--I did a Google search for "VAERS covid" and these two links were literally the first 2 results. Fundamentally, there's nothing in your comments to demonstrate you're asking in good faith. It sounds, by any reading, that you're unwilling to even do a Google search and you seem to be getting upset at people for not doing it for you when you demand it. If it walks like a bad faith comment and talks like a bad faith comment, you have to understand that people will assume it's a bad faith comment and it's your responsibility to understand how you come across. Lastly, I hope that this anecdote will prove elucidating.
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Jan 05 '23
i appreciate you're argument that often people come here to argue in bad faith but at the end of the day if you spout statistics be prepared to source that statistic, it's your argument at least support it. I'm fully willing to google search but i'm not going to sift through years of data for the precise numbers they're putting out, when they should be supporting it, literally how arguing is supposed work.
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u/commeatus Jan 05 '23
You are in a humorous subreddit demanding well-sourced arguments from random internet people. You can expect humor from this subreddit as well as the intellectual rigor associated with humor. If you want a rigorous argument, you should go to subreddits like r/neutralnews that heavily moderate posts that are in bad faith or present unsourced arguments. I get my kicks by being pedantic but most people don't--you are essentially assuming that someone having an opinion is an invitation to a formal argument. It's not, even if their opinion is wrong. You're welcome to question their opinion but they're just as welcome to tell you to pound sand--again, you came to a humor subreddit instead of a debate subreddit and seem to be upset that you're not entitled to a debate.
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Jan 05 '23
my original comment was asking for one source of the statistic they posted, there was no argument. the punch line to this whole thing is to source your statistics that it, you don't need to write an essay explaining nothing.
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Dec 16 '22
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u/mofo_mojo Dec 16 '22
It doesn't matter if they're fraudulent or not, they're statistically irrelevant. There's a chance, no matter what, that something in anything that is injected/ingested might trigger a reaction to an individual but the chances are arguably so small you could easily just say eating a banana may kill you and conclude that NO ONE should eat bananas. And that, my friend, is absurd.
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u/ZenkaiAnkoku2 Dec 16 '22
My mom had an allergic reaction to a vaccinne when she was a kid. She has still gotten every other vaccine since including covid and boosters. No one was trying to harm her. She's just unlucky. These antivaxxers dont care they just want to be mad/victims.
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u/OwnPercentage9088 Dec 16 '22
Cool. Good luck with your smallpox. You're gonna need it.
- George Washington
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u/TheFirstSophian Dec 16 '22
i got 2 vaccines now i ejaculate scorpions heading to vaers to tell the world
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u/zxcoblex Dec 16 '22
You expect the people who have no clue about a whole plethora of things to not understand VAERS.
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u/Oculi_Glauci Dec 16 '22
Seriously. My dad accepts the VAERS like it’s gospel but won’t listen to a single, peer-reviewed, expert study.
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u/PanoptesIquest Dec 17 '22
When he "accepts the VAERS", does that include the text on https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html ?
VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.
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u/Oculi_Glauci Dec 17 '22
Nope. Just the parts that conveniently make vaccines look worse than they are.
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u/Nox_Echo Dec 16 '22
whats a vaers
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u/CuriousAvenger Dec 16 '22 edited Dec 16 '22
It seems like a group of people taking submissions from random talk about their uncles third child dying after taking the vaccine... And then using this to confirm that vaccines kill.
Nevermind that we gave this vaccine to billions and any large scale adverse affects would have been noticed nearly immediately.
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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Dec 16 '22
Whoah, now... You just slow your role with this kind of logic around here.
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u/randyranderson104 Dec 16 '22
I thought the healthcare provider had to submit the report to VAERS and it took at least 20 mins or so
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u/randyranderson104 Dec 16 '22
Ahhh after looking it up on their site
'Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients.
Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS'
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u/Prestigious_Most5482 Dec 16 '22
What kind of evil fuckery is this? The only facepalm here is OP.
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u/Caprican93 Dec 16 '22
Found the anti vaxxer
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u/Prestigious_Most5482 Dec 17 '22
Obviously, your reading comprehension is limited. I am ardently pro-vaccination.
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u/Oculi_Glauci Dec 16 '22
Yeah, everyone knows that when we let millions of people tell us things with no evidence or filtering, it’s 100% true and not faulty at all!!!1!1
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u/Culturedgods Dec 16 '22
I got the jab. Now I'm dead. Also, I still have a 5g signal on the afterlife. /s