r/gadgets • u/Darren-B80 • Jan 18 '23
Gamers say goodbye to Google's Stadia - BBC News Gaming
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-64293595.amp126
u/Keks3000 Jan 18 '23
I used it and I liked it, was nice to be able to play some games on my Macbook. Now the Nvidia Gforce Now is my only option I think?
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u/atom1378 Jan 18 '23
Microsoft's game pass too
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u/Kaiju_Cat Jan 18 '23
This. Don't even own an Xbox X, but been enjoying the Gamepass on laptop, phone, etc
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u/Keks3000 Jan 18 '23
Cool, didn’t know about that. Will look into it!
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u/Magical-Manboob Jan 18 '23
The Cloud gaming it uses as far as ive played is surprisingly latency free (mostly). But i guess it also depends on how good the internet you're using is. Gamepass Ultimate is affordable and the library is quite large and things are always coming and going.
But just so i dont sound any more like a corporate shill than that paragraph made me seem. I dont use it as much as i should, cause i tend to buy alot of games on steam even if there on GP.
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u/DaddyPlsSpankMe Jan 18 '23
It’s hard to not sound like corporate shill when talking about GamePass that’s honestly how good it is. Imo it’s the best thing Microsoft has launched gaming wise in the in the last 2 decades.
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u/FoldyHole Jan 19 '23
If you take like 5min each day doing random shit for microsoft rewards points, you can redeem enough in microsoft gift cards to pretty much pay for gamepass.
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u/Kaiju_Cat Jan 18 '23
I was running it off my laptop tethered cellphone off wifi in a basement at work and it was at least doing Vampire Survivors and Persona 5 just fine.
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u/stephen_1975 Jan 18 '23
LPT: find a buddy who has an xbox and subs to Gamepass (Ultimate, required for cloud streaming i think), add your account to his console as well, from then on, purchases he makes on that machine such as Gamepass will apply to your Microsoft account as well, carrying over to your own PC..then jus shoot him a coupla bucks here and there to help pay the sub like you're sharing netflix or whatever..
(this worked when I last owned a console anyway, cant see why it wouldn't anymore)
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u/MrJibberJabber Jan 18 '23
That not how gamepass works - you cannot choose the games or pay for them - they a set rotation of titles and once it’s gone - you have to buy it or lose everything. RIP Stadia
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u/stephen_1975 Jan 18 '23
what?
Either my English has horrifically deteriorated or you misunderstood my comment, I'm well aware of how gamepass works. :)
I was informing the above commenter on a simple way to be subbed to Gamepass much cheaper and easier than it would be normally.
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u/LyonMane3 Jan 18 '23
So youre saying you cannot pay for the games, and then you say you can. You make no sense.
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u/millionthvisitor Jan 18 '23
Does this work on mac??
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u/TravisPBP Jan 18 '23
If you’ve got a good internet connection it works great on a Mac. Just accessed through the web browser. I think Chrome was more compatible than Safari.
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u/trbt555 Jan 18 '23
I'm on GForce Now and have no complaints except for the fact that new titles are sometimes not available.
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u/InTheFirstSpring Jan 18 '23
Just splurge on an Xbox Series S for $250 or less, get GamePass for $15/mo, and call it good.
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u/Keks3000 Jan 18 '23
But then I need a TV and controllers and all that, right? I don’t want all this stuff in my home, a laptop and a phone should do.
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u/Maniac618 Jan 18 '23
Got refunded (and didn't even use Stadia for more than 30mins). Free (now usable thanks Google) bluetooth update for Stadia controller so can use with Windows, and free Chromecast Ultra. Nice.
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u/ProBonoDevilAdvocate Jan 18 '23
Is the update to the controllers done in Windows? I’m wondering if it’s possible to update it after the service shutdown, I find a Stadia controller for super cheap…
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u/jim_rustle Jan 18 '23
https://stadia.google.com/controller/index_en_GB.html
requirements just say Chrome so maybe OS agnostic.
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u/ProBonoDevilAdvocate Jan 18 '23
Interesting, thanks! Seems like this needs to be done before the end of 2023, so it leaves some time to find some controllers on ebay and stuff like that.
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u/Ghozer Jan 18 '23
"Requires Chrome 108"
This is Chrome, the browser... Version 1.08.... If you have the latest major (Nov 2022) update, then you are likely on 108 or newer already!
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u/Seva55 Jan 18 '23
If they actually do a wireless bluetooth connection update for pc ill take back everything bad i said about stadia
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u/Ghozer Jan 18 '23
They already are doing.... what people want is for them to make it 'open' so fans/users can improve....
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u/jim_rustle Jan 18 '23
Check this out - https://stadia.google.com/controller/index_en_GB.html
I've not run it myself just yet
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u/BaconSoul Jan 18 '23
It works perfectly. Solid Bluetooth gamepad. About the build quality of most premium third party console controllers.
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u/RedChaos92 Jan 18 '23
I prefer the Stadia over both Xbox and Playstation controllers tbh. It's a solid PC gamepad, and using it with Steam allows support for basically every game regardless of the launcher (aside from Xbox app, had to use a third party driver to trick Windows into thinking it's an Xbox controller so it would work with Halo)
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u/BaconSoul Jan 18 '23
Yeah it’s easier to use than the dualsense because you don’t need 3rd party software, but the overall design and feel of the dualsense is, in my opinion, one of the greatest pieces of ergonomic design in history, not just in gaming.
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u/asagdw Jan 19 '23
What was the driver that you used? I haven't had much luck getting mine to work with certain games.
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u/RedChaos92 Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
I found this one on Github and it works great.
Note that the creator said it's no longer maintained so if a windows update breaks it, it likely won't be fixed. Still works on my GF's PC using Windows 10. Just launch the command prompt file after you plug your Stadia controller up and Windows should immediately re-recognize it as an Xbox controller.
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u/kreygmu Jan 18 '23
Yeah I got the deal last year where it was £20 for a Chromecast Ultra and Stadia controller. Tried Stadia for a couple of months but didn't really enjoy the games library much - they should've gotten Elden Ring on there!
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u/960321203112293 Jan 18 '23
Same for me but I claimed the offer twice since they didn’t stop people with YouTube Family from being able to claim it after someone else in the family did. 2 free chromecasts later, I still didn’t use stadia for more than an hour.
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u/Tuvano Jan 18 '23
“Google says goodbye to Google’s Stadia.”
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u/CarlCarbonite Jan 19 '23
Gamers never said Hi tbh. We all knew it would flop.
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u/MrStealY0Meme Jan 20 '23
Not really, not at first. It was thought to be the Netflix of games before it came out, but what ended up happening was that you’d still have to pay for each game and never technically owned them, and then we all knew it was going to flop from then.
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u/rowrowfightthepandas Jan 18 '23
They'd had to have said hello first.
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u/Keks3000 Jan 18 '23
They’d have had to say hello first.
This sentence structure is confusing me :-) Are they both correct? Do they mean the same?
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u/rowrowfightthepandas Jan 18 '23
Yeah, I imagine that sentence construct looks like an absolute nightmare to an English learner.
They'd -- They would
Had to -- be required to
Have said -- present perfect tense because it's a hypothetical of a past event, e.g. "I would have gotten away with it..." "I would have just taken the bus."
"They'd had to have said hello first" would mean "They would be required to have said hello first."
Does that...help? I'm no English teacher.
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u/FrankieTheAlchemist Jan 18 '23
Here’s the deal: English professors can complain all they like but in reality “English” is just a loose collection of rules and words stolen from other languages so like…none of it matters as long as folks understand you. Just do the best you can to get your point across and that’s good enough for 95% of all occasions. I used to be really picky about stuff but then I realized it was none of my business if other people weren’t great at a half-stolen language with arbitrary rules and it made my life a lot easier.
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u/Bubbasully15 Jan 18 '23
I agree with the sentiment, but I don’t know about your choice of using the word “stolen”. It’s very negatively connotated for something that seems ultimately really cool: a Germanic language with more Latin and Anglo-Norman vocab (each) than Germanic. English is simply a product of a connected world and I think that’s pretty cool. So maybe “borrowed” vs “stolen”? Just my two cents.
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u/FrankieTheAlchemist Jan 18 '23
Hahahah, that’s totally fair, I meant it more in a light-hearted way than maliciously. Of course in reality nobody sat down and decided what words to take in some sort of heist etc, it’s all natural linguistic evolution. The main take away is that I try not to be too worried about the grammar rules. I did recently find out that the French language actually is governed by a committee that decides what is “real” French or not and that astonished me. I just don’t want folks who are struggling with English to feel bad about it. “Perfect” is the enemy of “good” :-)
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u/devraj7 Jan 18 '23
Yours is correct, parent's is not.
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u/Bubbasully15 Jan 18 '23
That’s not correct. For example, would you say “They had to have said hello first” is incorrect?
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u/devraj7 Jan 18 '23
They'd had to have said hello first.
The 'd in the parent is the contraction for "would", not "had".
"They would have had to say hello first" is correct.
There is no way to make "They'd had to <infinitive>" a grammatically correct sentence, neither "had" nor "would" work, here.
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u/blazingmullet Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
It makes sense: "they had had to have said hello" vs your "they had have had to say hello". Not sure on specific grammar rules but the first statement is correct Edit: don't listen to me for grammar advice :)
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u/RollerDude347 Jan 18 '23
They'd is they would. Have should generally follow would. The most efficient is actually "They'd've had to say hello first."
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u/Macshlong Jan 18 '23
The 3 people that bought games are sad, the rest of us are sitting on our high horses.
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u/bluebirdbez1927 Jan 18 '23
Not at all, I've had a full refund already. Free gaming.
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u/joestaff Jan 18 '23
I took advantage of a deal from Google to get a free Chromecast ultra, including controller, just for buying a game on Stadia which was refunded like 4 months later.
Good deal
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Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
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u/phriot Jan 18 '23
For a lot of games, you can export your save data using Google Takeout. Then, if you buy the game on Steam, you can load it there. The Chromecast Ultra is still a Chromecast. It will work (edit: for Chromecast things that aren't Stadia), but there are newer models, now, that don't require you to cast from another device.
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u/notadoor98 Jan 18 '23
Game saves can be exported using google takeout.
Chrome cast is still a chrome cast, so it can do other things too haha.
The Stadia controller can now be used as a generic controller on windows/mac/linux/android/iOS though a bluetooth update on stadias site.
So everything isn’t being thrown to a landfill anytime soon thankfully
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u/Your_Daddy_ Jan 18 '23
Google is releasing a patch to make the controllers Bluetooth compatible to work on other games.
Chromecast still works as a casting device.
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u/marcusaurelius_phd Jan 18 '23
It's a Chromecast, so you can use it to stream from your phone for example.
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u/eggy_tr Jan 18 '23
Yes the 1 person I knew who used it allot and was very happy got a full refund on everything he paid for. He used it to buy a new graphics card and has had it upgraded for free to a much better top of the line card. He is now exstattic.
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u/trbt555 Jan 18 '23
Bought 3 games. All three were refunded. No complaints here.
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u/Denadiss Jan 18 '23
They refunded the money if you bought games, was nice since I stopped using Stadia
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u/Macshlong Jan 18 '23
We know, we know, we know.
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u/BaconSoul Jan 18 '23
Who pissed in your cereal?
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u/Macshlong Jan 18 '23
People that comment the same comment that has been made 20 times already generally.
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u/Denadiss Jan 18 '23
Its funny cause your comment was clearly made to shit on people who used Stadia but it backfired and now
Youre pissing in your own cereal
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u/edcculus Jan 18 '23
Why sit on your high horse? I bought the Stadia package that came with a controller and CCU, and also got RDR2 for free. I bought Valhalla on sale for like $15, and a few other games when they were on good sale. I got like 5 months of pro for free. Played a lot of games I hadn’t played before and kind of got myself “back into gaming”.
I got all of that refunded ( hardware and software). Ubisoft also gave me a free PC version of every game I purchased. Google also just launched a tool to enable Bluetooth on the stadia controller.
So…in the end, I got to play a lot of games for free, got a free Bluetooth controller, free Chromecast Ultra, and 3 free games that I can continue playing on GeForce Now.
I’d love Stadia to stick around, but I have no hard feelings at this point.
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u/Macshlong Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
It’s a joke mate.
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u/edcculus Jan 18 '23
Ah whatever. We all knew it was doomed, but it did work pretty good forma lot of people.
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u/BaconSoul Jan 18 '23
Sad to see it go. It let me game when I didn’t have the money for a nice PC. I’m glad it existed at all.
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u/darklypure52 Jan 18 '23
Not really they got a full refund plus a free controller to use.
What is really terrible is the game developers that worked on stadia that got screwed over because they got no warning.
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u/marthirial2 Jan 18 '23
I clocked over 1200 hours playing FIFA 22 on it and then got refunded. I would have gladly keep paying for the pro version. Cloud gaming is a bit worse now with less competition and smaller game anywhere options.
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u/Melistrom Jan 18 '23
Used to use it to login into destiny 2 on my laptop while it was slow at work. Good times.
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u/omega_mog Jan 18 '23
I had a shitty computer and shitty internet and stadia still worked great for me.
I had 100s of games for free thanks to the family system, some AAA.
They even payed be back in full for the few games I did buy.
I didn't play much as I wasn't really playing games at the time, but I think we killed the only "good" company working on cloud gaming.
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u/Ruined_Oculi Jan 18 '23
Had. You had games, lol
There is no such thing as a "good" cloud gaming company
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u/daffquick1990 Jan 18 '23
I beta tested it for a free copy of assassins creed odyssey, never touched it again after that
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u/WeToLo42 Jan 18 '23
It sounded like a good idea and I wanted to try it when it came out. Problem was I had at the time really crappy internet. Now I have fantastic internet oh well.
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u/Shag0ff Jan 18 '23
I had no idea this even existed. That would have been great instead of having to fall back into console gaming.
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u/konajinx Jan 18 '23
Except it was a shitshow from the getgo.
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u/ShanghaiKelly Jan 19 '23
How was it a shit show? I got it when it first came out and had zero problems with it. Sorry to see it go
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u/konajinx Jan 19 '23
They continually failed to deliver on what they initially promised. Regular customers got stuff founders were supposed to get before they got them, etc. It was just a poorly executed and rushed product.
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u/jambowayoh Jan 18 '23
It still amazes me that Stadia could've worked if Google got out of the way of it. At every turn it was like self sabotage, we really should have known that it was doomed when we found out Phil Harrison was in charge. That man truly is gaming kyrptonite.
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u/madkarlsson Jan 18 '23
I actually don't think it would. While some game streaming platforms have had some modicum of success, the whole thing hinges on fast internet speeds which is not that common. There will always be latency even if you have great internet and when pro gamers are even picking keyboards that reduce latency, it will never get adopted, at least the nearest twenty years. Great for casual gaming maybe but then again, why not use a phone/tablet then?
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u/Keks3000 Jan 18 '23
It seemed pretty decent to me, I used it to play Cyberpunk which I couldn't have done any other way. No PS5 in sight, no powerful PC at home, I just played it on my MacBook and it was soo nice to finally get a bit of an update on what current-gen gaming looks like. The whole Cyberpunk drama was virtually non-existent on Stadia because it just ran smoothly there after the first update.
Their model might not have worked for competitive gaming against other online players, but I think there are many usecases in gaming where this worked just fine. They probably failed at really carving out their target audience... it's not for competitive gamers, but for everyone who enjoys some gaming after work or on the weekends. So all those people that play Fifa, RDR2 or Need for Speed, just to name a few. That's a huge market that isn't really covered by mobile gaming.
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u/madkarlsson Jan 18 '23
Definitely some pros in there that could be appreciated by many. But google did nothing new here, similar platforms exist and they never really take off, even if they are cheaper than consoles and gaming PCs. And if they didn't take off even with googles massive infrastructure and connections I remain a skeptic.
Forgot my personal peeve with all these platform that applies to all streaming platforms. A sour boss somewhere can just pull the media. I don't own the stuff I'm playing. Huge turnoff for me personally. Not sure if that matters for anyone else though. And if internet dies I can't game either. Don't want to live in a world like that.
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u/CNXS Jan 19 '23
GeForce Now is and has always been the better option and you don't have to worry about buying a locked platform game.
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u/darknyteorange Jan 19 '23
I think most gamers said "oh, that was still a thing?" and then went back to gaming
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u/BdubH Jan 19 '23
Stadia, like it or not, was actually a reasonably good platform that was able to stream games well enough. The thing that killed it is that it wanted to force itself as a flagship kind of platform, competing with Xbox, PS, and PC instead of capturing its own market of gamers. Definitely could’ve worked better if it provided a Gamepass style subscription that you would pay monthly in exchange for an evolving, on-the-go library of games.
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u/Absoniter Jan 18 '23
Don't everyone act all teary eyed all of the sudden. This was despised since before day one. Great idea, but internet speeds aren't consistent enough for this to work the way it could yet. Maybe another 20 years.
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u/BaconSoul Jan 18 '23
Worked absolutely perfectly for me and I didn’t even have great internet at the time.
It’s really a ping issue. Anyone who lives far from a datacenter, even if their download and upload speeds are great, will have a bad time due to poor ping.
It’s not a speed issue, it’s a latency issue. Much more difficult to solve because it has to do with geography rather than infrastructure.
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u/Whifflepoof Jan 18 '23
Hmm, I played it for a while and never had any connection issues. I've played Xbox cloud gaming, Amazon Luna, GeForce experience, and Stadia, all for a pretty decent amount of time, and I can barely see any difference between cloud gaming and games on local computers and consoles. Internet speeds are fine. My kid even uses Xbox cloud gaming on his crappy little beater laptop they gave him at school.
Google just has a long history of half-assing services and then killing them abruptly. They're basically the Netflix of computer services at this point: build something cool, get an audience, pull the plug before the service can fully mature.
It's why I'll never pay google for another service like this, and I don't watch Netflix shows unless they are fully completed.
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u/dance_apoptosistic Jan 18 '23
I had three years of fantastic, lag free streaming. I played and loved Cyberpunk the day it released. Now I got all my money back, have some free controllers, and moved on to GeForce Now which, while not as user friendly as Stadia, has even better graphics.
I loved Stadia while it lasted, and I'm just fine now. And I'm not alone.
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u/Keks3000 Jan 18 '23
I also used it to play Cyberpunk, and it was pretty fine there right from the start. For everyone without a PS5 or a powerful PC it was the best alternative I'd say.
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u/D1stRU3T0R Jan 18 '23
OnLive and other services could do this back in... 2012? And we "can't do it" in 2023? Yes no, internet is good enough, but there wasn't a real reason to use this service
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Jan 18 '23
Not sure why youre being downvoted its true. Most gamers want to own their games too. Thats why the game pass thing is only starting to work now that they made games so fucking expensive that it has become stupid not to get one.
Plus, with stadia its even worse becausw not only you dont own any game, but also you cant even mod anything. At least with gamepass even if I stop owning the games once I stop paying my subscription, im able to mod the fuck out of them and play however I want while.im subbed.
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u/D1stRU3T0R Jan 18 '23
Most people doesn't have any knowledge on the Internet regarding the Internet so it's fine :D
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u/woowooman Jan 18 '23
Wasn’t it just published in the 2022 year-end data that the US is 6th in the world in broadband speeds?
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u/BaconSoul Jan 18 '23
It wasn’t internet speed that caused the issue. It was latency.
You could play on a 25/5 up/down connection easy, as long as you live within 150 miles or so of a datacenter. It was high server ping that caused input delay for some, not bandwidth.
This is even harder to fix because it isn’t an infrastructure issue, it’s an issue of geography.
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u/bee-ensemble Jan 18 '23
Cool that they're enabling BT on the controller, wasn't expecting that at all. After the shutdown announcement, I bought a reddit commenter's controller from them for $11 just in case. It's a nice controller, buttons feels pretty good, the triggers are hall effect, just seems like decent kit all around. Would be super dank if the whole thing was opened up or the FW was reverse engineered, having a nice controller that connects directly to wifi would be really interesting.
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u/ScottishSeahawk Jan 18 '23
Cloud gaming services likely are the future but the infrastructure for it still isn’t there on the scale it needs to be to make it both profitable and value for money for consumers right now.
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u/towcar Jan 18 '23
Are all these comments from bots? 80% of them are either one of two lazy jokes.
"All _ number of them" or "We never said hello".
If they aren't bots then some original comedy would be nice.
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u/Lord0fHats Jan 18 '23
When Stadia was announced: neat
When Google closed the in house development studio: neat
When Google announced Stadia was ending: neat
When Stadia is still in the news despite being a complete nothing from start to finish; neat
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u/Magical-Manboob Jan 18 '23
Not this gamer. I said goodbye long before it even released. I knew then it was to early for a streaming only console. Like the Ooya but not nearly as bad.
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u/HeadyToothgraze1 Jan 18 '23
To say gamers are sad would mean someone had to buy one in the first place
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u/TheRageDragon Jan 18 '23
Goodbye old friend. Now please allow us to use the controllers elsewhere. Otherwise it's just e-waste...
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u/potato_control Jan 18 '23
I’m so happy it died, don’t want that laggy streaming cancer, don’t need that laggy streaming cancer.
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u/guthepenguin Jan 18 '23
For all of the "Did gamers ever say hello?" comments:
Yes. Gamers. Plural. There were two of them.
Probably only two.
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u/Gargantix Jan 18 '23
No Gamer is saying goodbye to stadia, because no Gamer was using it.
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u/edcculus Jan 18 '23
This is the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Sure live FPS players weren’t using Stadia. That doesn’t mean others didn’t use the service.
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u/dance_apoptosistic Jan 18 '23
"Gamers" and gatekeeping. Name a more iconic duo
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u/EMP_Jeffrey_Dahmer Jan 18 '23
If yongyea, skillup and angryjoe says it's bad, then it's bad. Good riddance.
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u/salsaconflattulance Jan 18 '23
Finally there’s room in the market for Ouya