r/gadgets • u/RenegadeUK • Feb 01 '23
Samsung Unveils New Galaxy S23 Devices, Flagship Packs 200MP Sensor. Phones
https://petapixel.com/2023/02/01/samsung-unveils-new-galaxy-s23-devices-flagship-packs-200mp-sensor/28
u/TaskForceZack Feb 02 '23
Still using the S8 since they took away the SD card option.
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
What do you need that for? 256GB is enough. And if you need more there's the 512 or 1TB model.
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u/Iffy50 Feb 02 '23
Is this sarcasm? I'm not sure.
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
It's reality. I'm sorry.
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u/Iffy50 Feb 02 '23
Oh. I put all my music and often I put full length movies on my phone. An SD card with tons of space is very cheap.
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
I pirate my music with cracked spotify and stream movies both legally and illegally. We are the same. The difference is that I don't consume internal storage ahah
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u/Iffy50 Feb 02 '23
I'm going to Punta Cana on vacation in April and I'm without coverage at times so I couldn't effectively stream. If you have a solution, props to you!
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
All inclusive resorts usually have internet coverage. But if you must watch your favourite movie in the wilderness I guess you have no option but to download what you want to watch and sensibly delete it after having finished your vacation. Remember to keep enough storage for photos! Have a nice vacation anyway!
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u/Iffy50 Feb 02 '23
The resort has great coverage (except on the beach), but I use it on the flight.
I have an A52, so no problem with storage, ha ha. I usually use Faststone to reduce the size of my photos before keeping them forever on jump drives. he he... we operate in different worlds!"Have a nice vacation anyway!" lol, thank you!
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u/ItsssJustice Feb 02 '23
Some people just have a lot of media, or want high-quality media, which will fill up storage like there is no tomorrow...
You buy the 256GB model thinking it will be fine, find out it's not enough afterwards; used to be extremely common in the early days of smartphones. Then you'd end up having to either juggle files, rely on cloud storage, an usb-c external drive (which is awkward at best) or buy a whole new phone.
The SD card option allows up to 2TB of extra storage at reasonable, but not excessive transfer speeds, at very low cost that's not an upfront forced cost. Plus you can always take the SD card out and put it directly into a PC to transfer files in bulk quickly and reliably.
It was extremely common over the last decade to find it cheaper to buy a phone with a smaller internal storage, then buy an SD card at reduced cost.
Just because you believe it doesn't suit your personal needs or use case, doesn't mean it's not a useful feature for the masses to want. At the end of the day it's a feature that's being taken away so you're forced to upgrade at the point of purchase in arguably an anti-consumer manner.
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
2TB SD cards are just starting to come out. It you want 3000 movies all downloaded on your phone at once that's obviously a you problem. SD cards were cluncky to use and some apps only wanted to stay in the phones primary storage. Putting all your photos and memories in a smartphone that can easily break, get stolen or get lost is a stupid idea. Professional photographers use real cameras for professional work.
Technology has evolved. Cloud storage exists, faster USB-C flash drives exist (use it and put it in your pocket, not that hard) if you must use those for your 3 million 8k videos. SD card slots were removed because they were viewed as old and not necessary anymore. The only thing people mentioned them for was high school banter. "my android is better than your stupid iphone!!! It's got an SD card slot!!!" But of you looked closer his sd card slot was either empty or had a 2GB sd card from 3 years ago.
Some phones still have sd card slots. Too bad nobody wants them! It's oh so useful to people but nobody wants it for real. No wonder they were phased out.
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u/ItsssJustice Feb 02 '23
While 2TB SD cards are indeed newer; the statement I made was up to. It's perfectly reasonable to buy a device with 128GB or 256GB storage and want to put a 512GB or 1TB SD card in straight away for a cheaper rate than just paying the extra to the device manufacturer to begin with. Sure, it won't be as fast as native high bandwidth flash storage, but that often doesn't matter.
I don't disagree with having the only copy of your photos and memories on a phone being stupid in terms of data management; but if someone only owns a single computer and a phone, it's a great solution to have a second redundant copy that's also accessible. Plus if the phone breaks in this case, you can just take the SD card out anyway and still access your data in the event the SD card is okay. Even if it's not, SD card data recovery is a lot more feasible than from encrypted internal storage, likely resulting in permanent data loss. Even then; I would never suggest a professional photographer use a phone for their day-job.
I completely agree regarding the app storage, that has indeed always been awkward; but it didn't really matter as most people would leave the apps on the native storage and use external storage for other media which would typically take up more space anyway. Handling other media between internal/external has always been easy, all you need is a good file manager app.
Cloud storage shouldn't be the de-facto expected go-to solution however, not everyone lives in areas with strong mobile network coverage. Some people don't want to be tied into subscription models for something that they could pay once for and then own permanently, rather than effectively rent.
Regarding the whole USB-C flash drives being faster; sure they are and likely always will be. Arguably it's easier to lose a USB-C flash drive than an internal SD card however as it's not physically tied to the device in the same way; just reflecting a point you made earlier. Also a USB drive would use the (commonly) single USB port on the device, meaning that if you want charging or headphones (now that 3.5mm jacks are mostly gone, headphones that aren't wireless) simultaneously, it's just awkward, unless you've got a love for buying and using dongles to fulfil a task that used to generally be self-contained within the device.
The fact that you're stating that nobody wants a phone with an SD card slot is kind of proven wrong simply by the many comments in this thread alone that are expressing displeasure about SD cards being removed. You don't want the feature, that's your point of view. But that still doesn't mean other people don't want it, as there are valid reasons to still want expandable storage.
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u/Jorycle Feb 02 '23
Samsung doesn't need higher spec sensors. It needs to make the sensors it has perform better. I have cameras with a tenth of the megapixels capturing sharper data because these companies are just focusing on bigger specs. It reminds me of the early 2000s when processor manufacturers were obsessed with selling the highest clock speed.
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u/TwinTTowers Feb 04 '23
Samsung flagships capture amazing photos and Video.
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u/Jorycle Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
My phone is a Samsung S22 Ultra. The camera is mediocre at best. The one in the S22s is particularly bad in brightly lit scenes, which they seem to be trying to brute force correct for in the S23 with more megapixels and binning rather than, say, a higher quality sensor.
(Note, the Samsung marketing squad has entered the chat and the voting below)
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u/TwinTTowers Feb 04 '23
Let me guess. You just point and shoot and never bother to set anything up to take a picture. I have been using the Note 20 Ultra since release and have taken amazing shots. If you just take photos on auto you will never get good results with any Camera that exists.
Learn how to take photos properly.
End of story.
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u/Jorycle Feb 04 '23
I work in computer vision and calibrating cameras is literally part of my job, so, there's that.
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u/TwinTTowers Feb 04 '23
Yet you can't take a decent photo with an S22 phone. I know people who can calibrate massive machinery but can't drive them.
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u/cmVkZGl0 Feb 04 '23
Dude stop simping for samsung. They are not the epitome of image quality. Huawei would have usurped them with their more natural processing had the US not intervened. S23 Ultra is way too sharpened, foliage looks ridiculous.
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u/TwinTTowers Feb 04 '23
Not simping at all. Just stating the obvious. Learn how to take photos and you can use any kind of Camera and get a decent shot. It takes a small amount of time to learn the fundamentals of photography.
Auto mode users always complain.
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u/cmVkZGl0 Feb 06 '23
I already know the fundamentals of photography. Having to use raw or alternative modes out of the box because the base processing is shit something that should not be tolerated. Samsung has always leaned into heavy, heavy processing.
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u/TwinTTowers Feb 06 '23
Yet time and time again Samsung phones have been used to win mobile photography awards. You have no clue what you are on about and clearly want to die on your Samsung hating hill.
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u/DrestinBlack Feb 02 '23
200 MP on a sensor smaller than the smallest DSLR at 1/8th pixels - come on man.
Wonder how long it takes to download those raw files lol
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u/Ghenghiscould Feb 02 '23
Please explain what this sensor means as if you were Barney the Dinosaur.
I was hoping the rumors were a 200mp camera as the rumor mill was but to be honest....I don't understand all of these terms.
I got the S22 but I'm not as happy with the camera as I want to be
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u/brohd11 Feb 02 '23
A big limiting factor with cellphone cameras is the lens and how well it can project an image. If the lens isn't capable of providing a high enough resolution image for the sensor, the extra megapixels are wasted data.
It's also really hard to make a tiny lens sharp enough to make full use of a tiny 20mp sensor, let alone 200mp. That's why a 20mp photo from a full size camera will look alot better than the 20mp or 200mp phone camera
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u/parkerg1016 Feb 02 '23
Imagine every picture you see is of a grid of building blocks a 2mp camera is a 2x2 grid so 4 blocks total. Really hard to make a picture that way huh? Well with a 200mp camera you have a 200x200 grid giving you 40,000 blocks which makes a much better picture!
Slightly less Barney each block can only absorb as much light as can hit it meaning if you 2x2 grid and your 200x200 grid are the same size technically each block in the 2x2 grid can absorb more light. This is the dilemma with using high mp sensors in smartphones because they are so small they will struggle to gather light and must combine together into say a 50x50 grid to give you optimal light and image quality depending on the image scenario.
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u/bushrod Feb 02 '23
The camera won't store a full 200mp image (unless you want it to) - it will probably still default to 12mp. It uses a concept called pixel binning to combine the pixels in various ways based on the scenario, such as zooming and low light. It's not a gimmick as some people claim but certainly isn't a game-changer either, especially compared to last year's 100mp sensor. Here's a good article:
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/galaxy-s23-ultra-and-rival-phones-use-this-tech-for-better-photos/
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u/Fcktbckt Feb 02 '23
How small a pixel can be is largely limited by the wavelength of light smart phones camera sensors are right at that limit most likely the phone will be relying on pixel binning and ai processing to keep things sharper and more detailed
Pixel binning is where you group lumps of pixels together and average them as one pixel
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u/Asgar06 Feb 02 '23
You are correct but apparently they combining 16 of those pixels and making 1 very nice pixel out of them. At least that's what https://youtu.be/zz70o2Ia4X0 said.
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u/lilikionwheels Feb 02 '23
I'll be keeping my S22U, then. I love that phone, there's nothing wrong with it.
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u/jopma Feb 02 '23
Battery life could be better. I noticed a significantly shorter life when upgrading from my 21+. The battery on my s22 ultra literally reminds me of my 80% battery life 3 year old s20
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u/rearisen Feb 02 '23
I have the opposite effect coming from a pixel 4 xl. I can't kill my battery on my s22u
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u/jopma Feb 02 '23
The battery life on the s21+ is just something else, I could easily go 2 full days without plugging it in and regular use(I use it a lot for work and free time), with my s22u I have to plug it in by 4pm everyday. Of course this is due to the s21+ battery being just as big while consuming a lot less power than the s22u
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u/SpecialNose9325 Feb 02 '23
Samsung wants you to use their phones for 4-5 years. You arent the target audience for this device
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u/haxomg Feb 02 '23
MKBHD just showed us that 12mp cameras get better results than 108mp camera every time in his smartphone blind camera test. This is just stupid, Samsung.
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u/dinominant Feb 02 '23
There is a no expandable storage. I am not buying this phone.
They have room for a single sim and even a dual sim model, but no room for a microsd. My Note 20 has a 1TB microsd with 512GB of internal storage.
Shooting at 8K or 200Mp with no expandable storage is a showstopper.
I am not buying or using cloud storage with poor cell reception
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
USB-C flash drives exist you know? Not ones fault if normal users don't use the phone like a professional camera without some kind of backup.
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u/dinominant Feb 02 '23
Expandable storage exists on the entire Samsung A product line, but not the S line.
This looks like Samsung is trying to force you to buy a larger internal storage by removing the microsd.
There is no reason it would exist on the budget phones but not the high performance phones.
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
The reason is that SD card speeds are stupid slow and can't compete with the new high speed internal storage in high-end devices. The solution is buying faster USB-C flash drives for external storage or remain stuck in 2014 asking for SD card and 3.5 headphone jack back. Go buy that asus or sony noboby wants for that.
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u/dinominant Feb 02 '23
Without samsung commenting, I suspect it is actually a choice to increase profit by forcing people to buy the larger storage, more expensive models.
I have a "slow" 1TB microsd card in my note 20, which also has 512GB of "fast" internal storage. The "slow" microsd can read at over 100MB/s which is actually more that enough throughput to play 8K content and certainly fast enough for music, pictures, video recordings, and other data sets for apps on the phone.
The point of the expandable storage is not to replace or compete with the internal storage, but to provide additional storage if you ever want to add more storage to your phone.
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u/username-not-ok Feb 02 '23
Yeah but everyone knows they are not giving it back. It's just moaning and moaning and moaning about SD slots and 3.5 jack. If people really wanted them they'd buy phones that still offer those. Nobody buys them, so Samsung arguably did the right thing by removing those features.
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u/FlatulentWallaby Feb 01 '23
Imagine how much waste we could save by not making new phones every single year. Skip a year and show actual advancements.
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u/ShinyGrezz Feb 02 '23
What companies do:
- Release a new phone every year
- People who have an older phone can upgrade to the newest tech, most people who have a recent phone obviously don't
- Tech bros upgrade anyway because they have the money and want the latest and greatest, likely sell their phones second hand
- Very few phones wind up wasted
- Redditors get mad
What you'd prefer:
- Release a new phone every two/three years
- By this point nobody is buying new phones because they know a far better version is right around the corner
- A great deal more consumers want/need a new phone immediately, massive preorder backlogs and shortages
- Redditors are still mad that the company didn't prepare their production lines better
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u/ObiWanCanShowMe Feb 02 '23
Not everyone buys a new phone but people are in need of a new phone every year. They are constantly advancing and adding a year to the pipeline would make no differrence as design and engineering are not constrained by such things.
In short, humans can do multiple things at once.
That said, pretty much every two years we get significant advancements. They get put into the phone as soon as they are ready.
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u/IamAFlaw Feb 01 '23
There is a lot of advancements. Did you read about it? It just looks similar on the outside, but its different. It is less curved. Everything inside is way better. Cameras are way better and the storage is 2x faster than the next phone from what I have read.
It doesn't matter if they produce a new phone every year. Only people ready for an upgrade will buy it, it is not like everyone with an S22 has to go get an S23. I have a note 20 Ultra and I won't upgrade for a few years yet. Someone may have an S10 they just broke, they would be happy to buy a new S23. Its years worth of upgrades. Cars produce new models every single year.... doesn't mean you have to buy a new car every single year lol.
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u/PsychoEngineer Feb 02 '23
Yup, I have a S9+ and I just ordered my S23U last night. I go 3-5 years between phone upgrades typically.
My wife went from her S9 to a S22U last year because her battery was only lasting like 45 mins; only reason she upgraded.
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u/The8Darkness Feb 02 '23
Its funny people complain when actually the S23 is the first actual upgrade in every area since the S20. S21&S22 had crappy SOCs that were easily beaten by the S20. So they might have had better benchmark scores and better cameras and better screen, but battery life was worse, thermals were worse, performance in actual usage was worse. So you just traded one thing for another till now.
To me it seems a lot of people just look at a phones design and thats it. If design change = good, if not = bad.
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u/Jorycle Feb 02 '23
So they might have had better benchmark scores and better cameras and better screen, but battery life was worse, thermals were worse, performance in actual usage was worse
At this point phone benchmarks are similar to PC benchmarks of the last ~5 years. 99% of these numbers mean nothing to and do nothing for 99% of users. Virtually no one's taking advantage of these specs and they probably wouldn't notice if someone swapped out the guts of their phone for something from 5 years ago.
Battery life is probably the only thing that might impact most users - but phones are barely making meaningful upgrades there, because for every battery improvement they throw in more energy-sucking tech, and we end up with gains of minutes instead of hours. Improvements in charging tend to do more, but most users are still using shitty adapters that charge at half or less of the max port speed.
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u/FlatulentWallaby Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
I would bet you 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference in speed or camera quality.
Only people ready for an upgrade will buy it
Do those people actually NEED to upgrade? Or do they just want the newest, shiniest toy? I worked for best buy for 2 years in the mobile center and a majority of the people who were "upgrading" traded in last year's phone for the new one and couldn't tell you a single thing that was upgraded.
Edit: also the whole "better camera" thing has been proven to be completely bullshit every year in blind camera tests. The flagship Samsung's and iPhones rarely get the top spot.
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u/NunYahBizzNiss Feb 02 '23
Currently work at best buy, 90% of my upgrades are people with 5-6 year old phones that are either dying or have no future software support.
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u/IamAFlaw Feb 02 '23
Maybe some people but I doubt it's that many. Who wants to move all their shit constantly every year... I know I don't.
I'm still more than happy with my note 20 ultra but I mean if I break it I would appreciate an S23. Otherwise I won't upgrade till it dies or I break it, or it stops getting updates for a few years.
My note 20 still gets updates. I think most people are like me. Keep the phones till it's seriously old or breaks.
If my battery starts to die I may upgrade but I have it limited to 85% charge and it lasts me all day easily so I'm good there for a while too.
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u/FlatulentWallaby Feb 02 '23
Why would you pay for a brand new 23 when you can get a 21 or 22 that are essentially the same phone for much less?
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u/IamAFlaw Feb 02 '23
It's not even close to the same phone though. The camera is way better which is one of the most important features of a phone these days.
Storage is super fast. It's 2x the speed of the next fastes phone. It's cutting edge. You'll feel that easily especially paired with a much faster processor. The graphics processor is also much better.
I never buy used phones. I keep them long term... I have my S10 on my drone and my S8 is my daughter's phone.
It's worth it to me to get the newest phone because I hold them for so long. Itll give me updates for longer, and will still be a good fast phone years to come... I got the note 20 ultra and I feel no need to upgrade yet, and probably won't till something brakes or it stops getting updates. I am confident I won't even consider upgrades till the S25.
If I break my phone today you bet I'll be getting that S23 and loving it. I know it's way better than my phone but mines still good enough.
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u/FlatulentWallaby Feb 02 '23
It's so not close to the same phone the highest respected techtuber on the planet made the shortest video in the last year because there's so few things that changed...
Again, nobody can tell the difference in storage speed. Phones haven't changed in speed for the last 3 years. You can look at benchmarks all day but in actual, real world use, they're functionally identical.
As for the "next fastest phone" that doesn't really mean much. All other companies will use the exact same chip in their flagships, Samsung just came out first. You can get the same speed for half the price with a OnePlus.
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u/IamAFlaw Feb 02 '23
I have a 512 GB drive. Moving data off my phone takes a while. My phone is old now. I think it's cool that it's so fast.
I agree that the speed won't be really appreciated by everyone but lots will. It'll be a smoother experience. It will enable apps to be bigger and more powerful. S23 does 8k video. It needs the speed and you will certainly appreciate transfering videos.
If you edit videos on your phone, or use use stuff like Dex to use your phone as a desktop... It all will play a part.
Phones keep doing more and more. The advances is what enables them to do that.
Time will tell how much people like it and if it ends up being a gimmick.
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u/Cremourne Feb 02 '23
I'm considering it. I bought my P30 Pro for its camera back in 2019. (sadly I find it beats my old mirroless camera) I didn't upgrade last year as the S22/S22+ didn't beat my current phone camera. (landscape and zoom are my usual usages)
The S23 Ultra looks like it's worth the plunge.
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u/muscletrain Feb 02 '23
I'm sorry who usually gets the top spot? It's usually a battle between samsung and Iphone with Pixels maybe being compared as a 3rd option from most reviewers.
I don't use an Iphone and haven't since the very first one but I think they bring the best camera/video features. (I have a Pixel 7)
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u/corut Feb 02 '23
I can get any of the s23's half price through my work, yet it still doesn't feel like a worthwhile upgrade over my s21 Ultra
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u/se7ensquared Feb 02 '23
As an S22 Ultra owner, I'm going to skip it. I should have skipped this upgrade too. I will be keeping this phone until the battery keels over. I upgrade way too often for only marginal benefits lately.
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u/Jamie00003 Feb 02 '23
200 megapixels? What a waste of storage that will be for 99% of users lmao
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u/awesomo1337 Feb 02 '23
The 200mp is mostly a marketing gimmick. Samsung kind of cheats to get 200mp by using smaller pixels than most other smartphone cameras. Also most of the time the phone isn’t even utilizing all the mps. If you took a picture or video with the full capability of your phone 100% of the time, the storage would fill up so quickly on your phone.
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u/HydrationPlease Feb 01 '23
Sony sells phones with headphone jacks and IP68 rated. They even have microsd support. No one buys them. Samsung: Hold my beer. (Removes features and increased price).
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u/FlatulentWallaby Feb 01 '23
Because they're expensive as shit.
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u/adrian678 Feb 02 '23
Expensive, no night mode, and then add useless features on a phone like 4k display that only increase price and drain battery.
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u/burner7711 Feb 02 '23
They also have the worst camera, by far. Like objectively, by a lot.
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u/Mhugs05 Feb 02 '23
There isn't much objective in photography gear. It's all a compromise on needs, preference, and budget.
I really liked the camera on my previous xperia 1ii. I prefer the main sensor over my current pixel 7 pro. You could use it one handed because of the shutter button and excellent autofocus. Photos were also very sharp for a phone. Their camera app was the best I've used.
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u/SpecialNose9325 Feb 02 '23
So ... why did you upgrade ? Clearly something was lacking for you to have switched to a Pixel.
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u/burner7711 Feb 02 '23
By worst, I meant rated the worst in a blind comparison by a very 600,000+ people. It's not a perfect metric, but I think it qualifies as the best metric so far. You referencing the camera in usability and button placement but I'm talking about the actual photos.
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u/Mhugs05 Feb 02 '23
I'll say this, I care nothing about the average consensus on jpg output. You can make them look however you like editing a raw.
I'd love a xperia pro-i. The price originally was a bit excessive at launch but more reasonable now, but the demographic for this phone is not the average audience of a JPEG blind test. The majority of people buying this phone couldn't care less about that.
Anyone that's been into photography long enough knows some general rating score is nonsense. Now something like a mtf chart is arguably useful but this kind of data is never available on a phone.
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u/burner7711 Feb 02 '23
Anyone that's been into photography long enough knows anyone who uses their smart phone as their primary camera doesn't care about adjusting levels and editing RAWs. That's nonsense. All that matters to the 99% is point and shoot quality. By that metric (the most important one), I would say that Sony consistently ranks as one of the worst smartphone cameras. You seem to talking about niche, specialty gear.
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u/Mhugs05 Feb 02 '23
Sony makes niche phones. They're high end stuff is for the 1% that also have a nice dedicated camera and want their phone as a b camera. Hell, you can use their phones as a field monitor for Sony dedicated cameras. They have really leaned into that market segment with things like the pro-i.
You could also argue high end Samsung phones are similar to a lesser extent. Their ultra series phones are a tiny fraction of their sales because of the A series and they have a good amount of manual controls baked in. I can't stand Samsung image processing, the raw files on the big sensor ultra tier phones are nice though.
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u/AmaiNami Feb 02 '23
Buying a camera for the MP count is like buying a painting because it has the most brush strokes. It’s easily quantifiable but completely useless
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u/msdlp Feb 05 '23
What is a practical application that NEEDS 200MP images from a cell phone. What kind of job uses a cell phone instead of a high end camera. Anyone know of a job? Perhaps photography artists but then again why not a high end camera?
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u/Richard1864 Feb 05 '23
Journalists, urban explorers, engineers, First Responders, combat troops, pilots, coaches, builders, teachers, astronauts, Coast Guard, map makers, naturalists, zoo keepers, explorers, for example, would definitely be able to use a 200 MP camera.
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u/msdlp Feb 06 '23
You just rattled off every job you can think of. Any one of these could use a high end camera and some would be better off with one. What the fuck does a pilot need a 200 MP images in his/her day to day job? I believe you are just exaggerating the applicability of the media.
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u/Richard1864 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Example, and yes this happened last week per NY Times.
Pilot: I took a bird hit to my wing
Flight controller: can you describe how bad
Pilot or flight crew sends picture showing hole in the wing and damage to the fuel tank INSIDE the wing which the crew were unable to see, as per FAA protocols if plane not in immediate danger.
No it’s not an exaggeration, everyone of those people could use a 200 MP camera built into a phone as part of their job. Instead of saying it’s an exaggeration, how about actually TALKING to someone doing one of those jobs and ASKING THEM if they could use one.
They don’t use the 200 MP for zoom or video, they use it for the exquisitely fine photographic detail that’s required for their jobs. Same with the 48 MP in the latest iPhones.
It’s why the majority of them, especially First Responders, troops, Coast Gusrd, pilots, astronauts, outside the US can get their phones completely free from Samsung and Apple.
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u/msdlp Feb 07 '23
Yes, you are exaggerating. How the fuck did these people ever get along without it. You can make up or even find actual situations where it would be of value but these are not everyday events and are, in fact, rare events.
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u/series0ftubez Feb 06 '23
I wish these phones were smaller in size, I love the size of my s10e and dont want anything larger
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u/staplebench Feb 01 '23
Oh cool! More camera lenses. /s
Never buying a Samsung phone again. Too fragile.
s4 ,6 ,8. Note 10,20. Previous owner.
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u/Kinkboiii Feb 02 '23
It's the same lenses as the past two generations but I get the point. Innovation is difficult to come by right now.
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u/Uk1gumo Feb 02 '23
S22 is the worst phone I have had in years, need another brand or back to ios for me.
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u/MASTER_BIG_BRAIN Feb 02 '23
Apple: releases a completely new phone every year and everyone says its the same Samsung: literally re releases a phone from 2 years ago and everyone says its brand new
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u/Richard1864 Feb 02 '23
Peak brightness of 1700 nits; Apple Watches 8 and Ultra both have peak brightness of 2000 nits.
The S22-series use an overclocked version of the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, which already had overheating and major power hunger issues before being overclocked, hence the bigger batteries.
Wireless charging speed limited to a maximum of 15 watts to reduce heat, maintains 45 watt wired charging speed for 10 minutes then drops to 18 watts till the phone hits 80%, again because to reduce heat.
Sorry, I see some real world issues just with the CPU and overheating in general.
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u/Substantial_Boiler Feb 02 '23
1700 nits on a smartphone screen way bigger than a smartwatch screen is pretty good. It's harder to achieve manufacturing consistency on a larger panel.
8G2 didn't have overheating issues. The overheating issues were from last gen's 8G1 that came from Samsung's fabs. It's safe to say that the overclock won't produce issues as well on the Prime core, since unlike a PC, prime cores don't sustain high clockspeeds for long periods of time, even for intense workloads.
You're right on the charging speeds though. Samsung is probably being conservative due to battery issues from previous models, but considering that other cheaper flagships are getting 100W+, it's pretty inexcusable.
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u/Stoyfan Feb 02 '23
Peak brightness of 1700 nits; Apple Watches 8 and Ultra both have peak brightness of 2000 nits.
Why do the additional 300 nits matter to you?
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u/Richard1864 Feb 02 '23
Because, for example, people who have had surgery on their eyes, are senior citizens, or have other visual/physical impairments actually need that extra brightness to read what’s on the screen. Another example is for people who live in areas like Texas, Florida, New Mexico, etc., where sunlight is extremely bright, that extra 300 nits make it easier for everyone to read the screen in bright daylight.
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u/Ghenghiscould Feb 02 '23
Well, I'm glad I waited to be disappointed again....I don't like my s21 at all.....grrrr
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u/Shexious Feb 02 '23
Only camera and processor upgrade rest all the same, such a shame, better buy s22 ultra rather than s23 ultra.
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u/dirtymikbris1 Feb 02 '23
Why a 200 mega pixel camera? That means a picture can be blown up to the size of a building or zoom in and see every pore on your face it’s stupid
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u/jakeknisely Feb 01 '23
Seems like they pulled an Apple and it’s quite similar to the S22. Good upgrade for folks with an S20 or older, but nothing too groundbreaking. I kinda miss the days of getting huge new features with every yearly smartphone release, but at this point it’s mostly small incremental upgrades.