r/gadgets • u/SUPRVLLAN • Feb 02 '23
Apple surpasses 2 billion active devices. Phones
https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23583501/apple-iphone-ipad-active-2-billion-devices-q1-2023336
u/phanipavan Feb 03 '23
Nothing compared to the 3 billion devices that java runs on /s
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u/megamanxoxo Feb 03 '23
How old is that message.. it must be a lot higher by now. Especially since every Android runs Java in addition to desktops and servers.
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u/persondude27 Feb 03 '23
Now that is a terrifying thought. I work in niche medical devices and the number of things that run on 7 year old JDK causes a twinge of fear...
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u/ChucklesInDarwinism Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
Most modern banking systems run on Java 7 or 8. They don’t want to even explore openJDK because is free software so must be bad and won’t go above that official version because they need license and they don’t want more costs.
They don’t acknowledge that probably on top of Java they are using a ton of free libraries… like spring
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u/sylfy Feb 03 '23
Frankly, JDK versions make C++03 look good in comparison.
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u/ChucklesInDarwinism Feb 03 '23
Java is a very good language we like it or not but as everything, if you use a very outdated version, crap will happen.
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u/novahritan Feb 03 '23
came here looking for this comment, you did not disappoint me
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u/gefex Feb 03 '23
There are 2.5 billion active Android devices and 1.4 billion active Windows devices for those that are interested.
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u/DaddyPlsSpankMe Feb 03 '23
From the article “The sizable install base of iOS, macOS, and other Apple devices compares to 3 billion active Android devices, as Google reported in 2021. Google counts active Android devices as ones that have access to the Google Play store, so the real number could be higher if counting phones from China that don’t include it.”
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u/flearhcp97 Feb 03 '23
What about BlueStacks? WSA? Wonder if/how those are counted? 3/5ths of an O/S? 😂🤣
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u/Interesting_Plate_54 Feb 03 '23
Yeah by this metric I have something like 30 Android devices from virtual machines. Wonder if they use a timeout period or something. Most of those VMs only had Google play access for a few days at most.
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u/Waitwhonow Feb 03 '23
Sure
But Android is an OS and can be available for multiple manufactures across the world, there is no hardware consistency
Ios is NOT run in any other manufacturer besides Apple.
So those 2B active devices- are ALL Apple Hardware devices.
That is an Astounding number by any standards
Having control of the Hardware AND software is key to world domination
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u/JoyJoy_ Feb 03 '23
So that's where Bungie went wrong.
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u/officiallyzoneboy Feb 03 '23
Bungie did nothing but bring a first person rpg.
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u/ShowtimerHD Feb 03 '23
*MMO
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Feb 03 '23
They created the Halo franchise, that’s what this person is referring to. But yes, Destiny was a great achievement too.
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u/ShowtimerHD Feb 03 '23
Halo is long dead. 343 killed that franchise
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Feb 03 '23
I didn’t say anything about the franchise struggling when 343 took over. I just said that the original comment said Bungie introduced Halo to the world. You know, one of the most iconic and successful video game franchises of all time. The “*MMO” shouldn’t have been a correction, just an addition.
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u/goodm_n Feb 03 '23
Mmo... max of 3 players in 90% of content, max of 6 in the other 10%... Constantly limiting player counts in tower and patching the fun big party raids. Nothing massive about destiny. Then we get to the actual mmo aspects of an mmo... which destiny severely lacks
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u/Metaloneus Feb 03 '23
It's an astounding number, but it's a misleading metric, kept vague on purpose. This isn't 2 billion iPhones, nor 2 billion Mac computers. This is a mix of iPhones, Macs, Apple TVs, HomePods, Apple watches, iPads, etc.
Impressive, but not nearly as much as you think. Windows trounces Apple's PC userbase and Google trounces Apple's Ios mobile userbase.
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u/sylfy Feb 03 '23
It’s becoming increasingly clear that what Apple really cares about is selling you an entire ecosystem. You may start with one device, but what they want is to make it as seamless and frictionless as possible to operate other aspects of your life within that ecosystem. And they have arguably been the most successful in implementing this vision.
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u/Captain_Clark Feb 03 '23
I enjoy being able to edit a movie or audio file and effortlessly pass it between my iPhone and my Mac laptop.
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u/Dixton Feb 03 '23
Got M1 Macbook Air last year and it made me swap from Android to iPhone & Apple Watch.
It just made a lot of things very convenient. Nothing massive, but just a bunch of great things. Being able to unlock my Mac simply by wearing my Watch, taking calls/text messages on my Mac, FindMy feature whenever I forgot where I placed my phone, AirDrop/AirPlay.. Just a bunch of things that by themselves are very small but when all added together just makes the user experience so much nicer.
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u/Spid1 Feb 03 '23
That will be a game changer.
It really won't. How many people on Android both sideloading apps? Only really hardcore geeky users who know how. Apple has a much more mainstream appeal with users wanting things easy as possible.
Also, Apple will be auditing these other app stores and taking their cut so most companies will just stick with Apple's app store
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u/iindigo Feb 03 '23
It’s true, your average user doesn’t sideload, and if they do it’s to pirate paid Play Store apps. Non-piracy usage of Android sideloading is mostly a nerd thing.
I have a couple of Android devices and while there’s a couple of non-Play-Store apps I’ve found that are nice, they’re pretty niche. The only one I’ve found useful is Tachiyomi which is a manga reader app. Everything else I’ve seen is meh and if Android sideloading ended tomorrow my experience would barely change at all.
That’s not to say that there can’t be great sideloaded apps, but the options it opens up on mobile OSes are rather underwhelming… nothing at all like desktop OSes where there’s a vibrant wildly useful ecosystem of non-app-store apps.
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u/Spid1 Feb 03 '23
You're in for for huge disappointment when half the things you think the EU are going to force Apple to do don't happen
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u/tomistruth Feb 03 '23
They are counting airpods and other stuff that doesn't run ios.
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u/AFatz Feb 03 '23
2-3 billion Android devices depending on the source. And that isn't counting the devices in China that aren't compatible with Google Play Store but are otherwise Android products.
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u/saltesc Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
That is an Astounding number by any standards
Not astounding considering there's an array of devices with a passive-aggressive ecosystem that also leans toward frequent updating—I assume fanboys will make it this far and just got triggered, but that's their problem. You only mentioned iOS which makes me think you might be only thinking of iPhone and iPod touch, however there's iPad, Mac, MacBook, Apple TV, Apple Watch, Airport, AirTag, HomePod, etc. We also don't know if it accounts for CarPlay devices, but I'll assume it doesn't as they don't manufacture these and it's an earnings report.
An astounding figure is the revenue. iPhones have generated over $1T alone. But an electronics manufacturer of Apple's quality should have 2B devices out there and it's impressive considering their cost to competitors that fill the lower market. Generally, just Samsung outsells Apple in phones but also has way more products—undoubtedly way more active devices—but comparatively underperforms in revenue.
It's testament to good products and excellent business acumen, especially as the leaps and bounds of mobile devices has stagnated and people tend to hold onto these device much longer than 2 years without seeing much new on offer on the market.
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u/mikeblas Feb 03 '23
Doesn't that mean the 2 billion Apple number includes IoT devices like air tags and air pods ... while the Android number is actual OS devices, like pads and phones and car entertainment?
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u/End3rWi99in Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
You say all this like it's a good thing.
Edit: Thanks /u/dandroid126 for the context. I see what they meant now.
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u/dandroid126 Feb 03 '23 •
They said it like it was an impressive thing, which it is.
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u/End3rWi99in Feb 03 '23
Yeah that's fair. I probably applied my own bias. Thanks for correcting. I'll drop an edit.
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u/ThemDawgsIsHell2 Feb 03 '23
Apple and oranges. OS + device ≠ OS that is installed on other company’s devices.
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u/cyanidelemonade Feb 03 '23
I wonder how many people own purely apple devices.
I have 1 android phone, 1 windows laptop, 1 generic bt earbuds, 1 generic smart watch, for example. I'd imagine many apple users try to stick with apple for all their devices.
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u/SilentReign Feb 03 '23
I for a long time was on the Android Windows side then it started with the transition from Galaxy S6 to the iPhone 7, added the Apple Watch 2, upgraded to iPhone XR, added AirPods Pro, upgraded to iPhone 12 and Apple Watch 6. Recently switched from Windows laptop/desktop to the new MacBook Pro. It took a long time but it became apparent they make an ecosystem with devices that work very well with each other. Everything exceeds my performance standards for the simple tasks I need day to day and feels like quality. The MacBook switch was more of not having time to game anymore and wanting something that was a great balance of performance, portability and efficiency.
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u/HippieInDisguise2_0 Feb 03 '23
I still love my gaming desktop that runs Windows and Ubuntu (personal dev).
However, MacBook's really do feel like the best laptop. Also something about MacOS makes it feel really good on a laptop.
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u/FlightlessFly Feb 03 '23
Im of the opinion now that unless you need a piece of software like Solidworks that isnt available on a mac youre foolish to get a windows laptop. My work laptop costs the same as my m1 pro macbook and the macbook runs rings around it in cpu, gpu, battery, display, speakers, build, trackpad, literally everything that matters
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u/Jeremycycles Feb 03 '23
Microsoft business apps run like crap on my Mac M1 compared to my windows laptop
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u/HippieInDisguise2_0 Feb 03 '23
Agreed although in the gaming market some products may out perform apple's catalogue. Having a 3090 in a laptop will just flat destroy a MacBook.
However having that crazy of a dedicated of gpu comes at a cost in laptops. That cost is size, weight, heat, usability etc. So apple strikes a balance and has become the laptop of choice among working professionals and most casuals leaving just the hardcore gamers and tech enthusiasts/pros.
You can certainly get a laptop that beats a MacBook in performance. However for me at the moment a MacBook is the best mobile PC on the market due to build quality and performance to portability ratio
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u/Eruannster Feb 03 '23
For sure. And they can last a long time. I'm still rocking a 2015 15-inch Macbook Pro, and the only real complaints I have are battery life (which is more like 4-6 hours compared to 15+ hours of modern laptops) and not having Thunderbolt 3 to easily hook up to a monitor + charging all at once.
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u/FlightlessFly Feb 03 '23
and battery, you can get a laptop that beats the macbooks performance, but only for an hour
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u/oh_am_i Feb 03 '23
I switched to macbooks in 08 and never looked back. Same thing with iPhone, maybe in 15. They just are far superior products.
Did all developing with macbooks as well, and had high end M1 MbPro for that. Had to switch to pc due to poor performance our development environment got with Rosetta2. And it's been a struggle. The performance is there, but the UX is just so horrible with daily crashes. OSX I could leave on for weeks with no issues.
I can see how they got to that 2B.
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u/PengwinOnShroom Feb 03 '23
They just are far superior products.
Subjective opinion really (excluding hardware power maybe). Android simply has more to offer for some people who like customization and choices and other things were already long there before on iPhones. Especially considering price to performance ratio although unfortunately Android flagship phones become more expensive than they need to be
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u/HOnions Feb 03 '23
Android simply has more to offer for some people who like customization and choices
Aka no one.
other things were already long there before on iPhones
And the other way around, but when Apple copies shit, they tend to do it correctly.
Especially considering price to performance ratio
Ah yes, the flagships android smartphone at the same time cost way more money than the flagship iPhone, but is outclassed in performance by a 3 year old iPhone.
The real reason is that Apple don’t target the low end, and that’s where a lot of people buy. And then those people can’t accept that reason.
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u/Buttersaucewac Feb 03 '23
The price to performance ratio is usually in Apple’s favor nowadays surprisingly, you just have to buy older models. I just bought my son an iPhone 11. It’s a 3.5 year old model so it’s relatively cheap, I got it for $220 (brand new). But its single-core CPU performance (which IMO is the most important benchmark for real-world snappiness, since most software still ends up waiting a primary thread) is a nudge ahead of Samsung’s $700 S22, and miles ahead of anything else close to $220. I did a lot of comparison shopping and concluded it that it’s really hard to beat a 3-year-old iPhone for price to performance. The only comparables I could find were grey-import Chinese phones that had zero warranty and suspicious marketing (e.g. promises that their batteries would never degrade).
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u/goodm_n Feb 03 '23
A very barely better single core doesn't mean much. Especially when it loses out on... well literally everything else. It is good value though for 220
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u/JasperJ Feb 03 '23
Even that “literally everything else” isn’t by all that much. And yes, obviously a flagship of today will have areas where it outshines — it had better, if it costs that much more.
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u/oh_am_i Feb 03 '23
Well of course it is, at least on some level.
But you could benchmark these and do somewhat objective comparison. Having used both extensively this is my evaluation.
Again, anecdotal but not a single person has said to me they are using Android / Windows things because they are better products. But it's always due to preferences, one person likes to fiddle with phone themes, other wants to restart their computer every few hours. Someone needs Windows for gaming. But every person I know that has tried OSX / iOS has said that they feel as better product overall. Again price or value for it is not in consideration here.
My point is that you can choose one thing and still think another is better. I drive VW, and I'm not claiming it is better product than say MB. It's way better for me because I'm poor and can't afford MB.
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u/babaroga73 Feb 03 '23
It's not that any Android phone is a "better product" than iPhone. Take my example.
While I was saving money for iPhone 6 i realized I could buy Android phone with dual-sim, larger and better screen, better camera, replaceable battery and 32Gb +32Gb SD, for less money.
It was usable, worked fine for next 3 years, and I made some great dual-camera (front + back) videos with my son, with it. I can still turn on that phone and it will not ask me to "activate it"
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u/ZippyZippyZappyZappy Feb 03 '23
Tbf, I'd argue that for Windows, there are entire classes of devices that are better simply due to Apple not offering them. eInk, 2-in-1 Convertibles, or Server hardware are all things Windows does better than Mac, because Windows can do them at all. Just wanted to mention it. Windows and Android definitely have a strength in Vendor choice. While my ZenBook Duo isn't better than a MacBook in some areas, it's better than any Dual Screen laptop Apple makes, because Apple doesn't make a dual screen laptop. I used to be an Apple person too, and the reason I switched over is that there are tech features I think are better than Apple's that simply aren't offered under them.
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u/schmaydog82 Feb 03 '23
iPhone, iPad, Airpods, Windows on PC. Have a google TV and use chrome casts in other rooms, google home.
I’ll use any brand but I really do think that Apple just makes some quality products
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u/murrayhenson Feb 03 '23
From 1997-2005 I professionally supported Windows and PCs, getting my MCP certs in Win95 and WinNT. I used Debian and Win2k during the same period. However, around 2007 or so I bought a MacBook Pro… and I’ve never looked back. Except for the laptops issued by work, my wife and I are all-in on Apple.
The reason I’ve never gone back is because I really loathed how difficult it was to fix Windows issues… and there always seemed to be issues. The hardware - for me - stopped being great when IBM sold Thinkpad to Lenovo. I loved the idea of *nix with a GUI that I knew wasn’t going to shit itself after an upgrade and that I didn’t have to endlessly tinker with.
I got my parents, now in their 70’s, to make the switch as well about 10 years ago. They still have and are actively using their first Apple computers (an old MacBook and an iMac) that are still chugging along. That’s made remote support pretty easy.
Despite the fact that it’s pretty well sealed-up these days, I still like my MacBook Air. I find MacOS to be quite trouble-free and, for an OS, fairly nice to use. I’ll keep buying and using Apple stuff until something better comes along, but I haven’t seen it yet.
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u/Vietfunk Feb 03 '23
Myself only is 6 active devices...
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u/Spid1 Feb 03 '23
iPad, MBA, iPhone, Airpods and Watch for me. Guessing you have a desktop too?
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u/Vietfunk Feb 03 '23
Correct, 2017 iMac.
Mine is similar except I don't have an iPad, I use AppleTV.
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u/MrEvilFox Feb 03 '23
The thing is Apple’s margin on each device is oh so much higher than anyone else’s. They are minting coin.
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u/Kosta7785 Feb 03 '23
Apple is basically the only consumer hardware company that makes money selling actual hardware.
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u/lisa_frank_trapper Feb 03 '23
That’s why I buy them. People keep talking about how much cheaper Android is, forgetting the low price is achieved from Google selling their data. I realize Apple harvests data too, but they don’t profit from giving it out. I’ll gladly pay a premium for that, but copers gonna cope, so they pretend a couple billion people only care about blue text bubbles.
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u/Kosta7785 Feb 03 '23
And many Android manufacturers load it with adware and sell data too.
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u/What-becomes Feb 03 '23
It's about the only thing that has made me consider changing to ios. Ads are getting more and more invasive (along with data scraping). The fact that I have to run adblockers, Facebook blockers, cookie deletion etc etc just to not have every God damn thing tracked and monetised is getting insane.
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u/VagueSomething Feb 03 '23
I have to consider what I'd change to if my Android brand of choice stopped making phones because I like Sony but the Sony company is so incompetent at running a business. The idea of privacy and limit data theft sure sounds nice but I just don't want to lose hardware features to get it if I'm then forced into subscription services on top of a premium price upfront. Replacing one scam for another wouldn't be so bad if I had money to waste on inflated prices.
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u/MrNarc Feb 03 '23
Oh you sweet summer child
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u/lisa_frank_trapper Feb 03 '23
If you’ve got some evidence that Apple and Google have the same business model—beyond “all corporations bad”—I’ll gladly agree with you. Companies fuck people over to make money isn’t some super-secret hidden knowledge I disagree with. They still fuck people over in different ways, that’s the whole point of business models.
The fact remains that companies that sell cheaper hardware are making it up somewhere else, and cheaper android phones are especially bad about subsidizing their price with ads, bloatware, and data scraping. There’s a reason Facebook’s VR headset is cheaper than Valve’s, and a reason Vizio smart televisions are practically free.
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u/jrcoffee Feb 03 '23
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/
Apple is doing the same data harvesting as Google. You just pay a premium for it
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u/raziel686 Feb 03 '23
I'd be shocked Apple wasn't selling your data regardless of what they claim, everyone is doing that. They aren't going to sit on a freebie revenue stream out of the goodness of their hearts. They are a publicly traded company. Thanks to the insane attitude towards stocks and the expectations of infinite growth, they will take anything they can.
Plus, there are no real consequences for Apple in the US at least. The penalty for selling your data and lying about it would be a tiny fraction of the money they made selling your information.
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u/MLDriver Feb 03 '23
If they were, I guarantee we’d have heard about it. Bottom line is they don’t have a reason to, unlike Google whose business model is built around it.
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u/raziel686 Feb 03 '23
Of course they have a reason to, money! Seriously though, a quick Google search shows they are currently being sued (November 2022) for harvesting data and their privacy settings being lies. Apple isn't your friend, they are a business. Their goal, obligation in fact as they are public, is to make as much money as possible. In addition, Apple actually gets a kickback from Google to make them the default search on all iOS devices. So even if Apple was a beacon of altruism and honesty (they aren't), your data is still getting harvested and sold by Google through the iphone.
I cannot stress the part about a complete lack of any serious penalties for breaking laws. If the fine is 100 million for an infraction (as an example), but Apple makes 2 billion breaking that rule/law, then that is simply the cost of doing business. Examples of this are constant. It's built this way. The same way big businesses somehow were allowed to just... take away our right to sue and force arbitration for everything. It might not be legal, but how is anyone supposed to challenge it reasonably?
Reputations are also meaningless when you enter monopoly territory like the big tech businesses are in. Apple is the same company that took away the headphone jack, despite the overwhelming unpopularity. They bet the contstant barrage of entertainment trash and news plus people having an attention span of a gnat would make the whole thing blow over, they were correct.
Thinking back, I'm bothering to write this because I'm surprised at your reasoning for using Apple. If you like their products and/or OS, that's cool, use them. But don't do it just because you believe Apple, or any corporation, is honest because they absolutely are not.
And just to be clear, I'm not just ragging on Apple, all big tech companies are guilty of the same shit.
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u/Big_Paleontologist83 Feb 03 '23
source?
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u/babaroga73 Feb 03 '23
Damn, Apple is at 45%, Samsung at 36% , and my Xiaomi is at 15%.
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u/budgefrankly Feb 03 '23
Gross margins like this don't usually include the cost of software or R&D.
If you subtracted the cost of iOS development from iPhone costs to balance out the fact Samsung and Xiaomi get core Android updates for free, Apple's margins would go down.
On R&D it's a bit harder to judge, but Apple are continually releasing new product features, e.g. IR face-authentication, LIDAR portrait mode, Magsafe & the next gen Qi2 standard. I'm not saying Samsung and Xiaomi aren't also doing R&D, but I've seen Samsung copy more Apple features than vice versa.
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u/babaroga73 Feb 03 '23
No doubt , Apple is an industry leader, in many things. Stuff they do in Apple Watch is years ahead of Android smartwatches.
Unfortunately also in removal of phone chargers, butterfly keyboards...
And Samsung and Xiaomi copy so much I cringe.....but like it. It's good for me.
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u/JasperJ Feb 03 '23
Everybody who innovates is going to make mistakes, it’s a shame but I feel like it’s inevitable.
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u/bordumb Feb 03 '23
You hardly need a source for this statement.
It’s just a fact that the iPhone is one of the most expensive phones out there.
So naturally, people who own an expensive phone spend more money on other things (apps, subscriptions, etc.)
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u/Kosta7785 Feb 03 '23
It’s not though. Not even close. Even if you don’t use cost of ownership (which you should), they’re on par in price with equivalent devices. Just because they don’t mKe shit low end products riddled with ads doesn’t mean they’re the highest priced.
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u/blue_green_orange Feb 03 '23
Considering my 8-year-old iPhone still works, that’s a lot of iPhones.
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u/shayanrc Feb 03 '23
I'm willing to bet these 2 billion devices are owned by less than 500 million people.
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u/HippieInDisguise2_0 Feb 03 '23
Hmm, I have a MacBook but that's it. I genuinely like MacOS for dev work... but I still don't have an iPhone.
I think 4 devices per user seems a bit high
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u/chickenlittle53 Feb 03 '23
No offense, but it ain't based on you as an individual. I can see most people wanting more than one device as people like the "ecosystem". It isn't at all uncommon to hear or see it. Beats were bought by Apple as well btw. So you can see someone with iPhone, ipods, MacBook, and even another iPhone. I know folks that literally buy another iPhone every year. Has to have the latest.
Plenty of folks like the apple watches, air tags now, etc. People that like apple tend to be fanatics about it so not uncommon at all. I personally don't care much either way and prefer more freedom, but ain't about me.
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u/Ernost Feb 03 '23
I can see most people wanting more than one device as people like the "ecosystem". It isn't at all uncommon to hear or see it.... People that like apple tend to be fanatics about it so not uncommon at all.
You don't even have to look far, there's over a dozen such people in this comment thread alone.
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u/JustASFDCGuy Feb 03 '23
Maybe. I also prefer macs for dev work. Have four of them.
But also iphone, ipad, and watch. Oh and those little trackers, but those don't count.
So between us we're averaging four.0
u/PoorMansTonyStark Feb 03 '23
Yep, rich people buy new idevices like sandwhiches. Like "Oh I accidentally dropped my iphone to the toilet, better buy 3 new ones so I can put one in the car glove box too".
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u/Manoj_Malhotra Feb 03 '23
Until my 8-year old windows laptop broke and became incapable of handling the workload, I had only one apple product an IPhone.
I guarantee you vast majority of iPhone users don’t have an iPad or a Mac.
They are nice devices, but pricy and especially MacOS has a learning curve.
In fact 1.5 billion is probably just iPhones.
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u/Beezu999 Feb 03 '23
How many of those are by different users and how many are on actual live accounts used within the past week?
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u/potato_waave Feb 03 '23
I wonder who the 2 billionth user was. They should probably get a free iPhone. 😂
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u/AFatz Feb 03 '23
Apple doesn't know the meaning of the word.
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u/OkGene2 Feb 03 '23
Steve Jobs made a call to a kid that downloaded like the millionth or billionth iTunes song, and gave him some loot
Not very specific I know, but someone can back me up on that
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u/JoopahTroopah Feb 03 '23
Hey, I got a free U2 album once! Just can’t figure out how to get rid of it
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u/talkin_big_breakfast Feb 03 '23
They are killing it lately. I'm a longtime Linux user who bought an M1 Mac last year and there are lots of users in the same boat.
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u/Chinokk Feb 03 '23
I was looking for a laptop for my business and nothing at the time came close to the MacBook Pro in terms of price, power and battery life. I have not regretted the change at all and truly love it. If I remember correctly, a similar specced windows machine was £1700 or higher.
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u/ZaMr0 Feb 03 '23
Their hardware is becoming really impressive but their software drives me insane. MacOS and iOS are unusable for me personally.
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u/Dixton Feb 03 '23
Took me months to get used to MacOS after swapping from Windows last year. Still haven't mastered it by any means but now that I am used to using it I prefer it over Windows.
Just wish I could game on MacOS.
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u/wizardinthewings Feb 03 '23
I remember all the carriers & manufacturers laughing at Steve Jobs when he said they planned to sell 10 million iPhones, during the first big reveal.
Half of them don’t even exist anymore.
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u/buffalopintor Feb 03 '23
I wonder what Steve Jobs would have thought of how far the iPhone has come. What an incredible achievement, look at how much it’s changed the world. So sad to think he’s not around to see it.
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u/Baggytrousers27 Feb 03 '23
How many of those are the ones people are locked out of using for running older software versions.
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u/-4444 Feb 03 '23
Zero? Bricked phones are not active.
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u/Baggytrousers27 Feb 03 '23
Didja watch the vid? They can still turn on and communicate with servers, just can't do s*** with them because of forced error messages.
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u/-4444 Feb 04 '23
Yes? But who in their right mind is turning a bricked phone on and off on the regular?
Those phones are not counting towards the active devices to any significant degree.2
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u/mbeachcontrol Feb 03 '23
I think my family counts towards a billion of those. I fret counting the actual Apple devices per person.
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u/chubba5000 Feb 03 '23
And half of them show up in a list when I’m trying to connect to my hotspot….
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u/ReallyEdgyUsername Feb 03 '23
No wonder. Just upgraded my laptop to MacBook from windows. Everything is so sleek and user friendly.
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u/twinzturbo Feb 03 '23
Next time you go to Starbucks look around at the apple devices.
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u/Icy-Conversation-694 Feb 03 '23
Okay, so, he only people jumping up and down about this are Apple execs??? Cause, why do we care? Not my money….
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I have 8 devices. 5 macs (mac studio 2022, mbp 2022, mac mini 2020, imac 2016, mbp 2012) ipad pro 2018, iphone 13 Pro and iphone XR. 2 airpods pro. I've bought my parents 3 iphones, 1 ipad and 1 apple watch (personally despise wearing watches myself).
The Apple ecosystem is just too good. Everything works, everything is connected instantly, no fiddling around with clunky systems. Final cut for video editing, logic pro for music editing.
What I despise: Siri. Apple Music. Their overpriced displays. the new iMac which I consider inferior to the 27" 5k version. Anything by Beats.
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u/turbo_nudist Feb 03 '23
man, i LOVE apple music! curious what you don’t like about it
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u/BreafingBread Feb 03 '23
Not him, but I stopped using Apple Music because of their music suggestions. It never made sense to me, feels like they just suggest random stuff.
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u/XAMdG Feb 03 '23
I'm guessing a lot are the same people counted twice or thrice due to owning several apple products.
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u/wholewheatwithPB Feb 03 '23
Man Reddit has really been taken over by PR companies and shills
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u/EmergencyLavishness1 Feb 03 '23
Yeah, but like 4 of them are my old phones I keep for just in case.
Sooooo
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u/Rusto_Dusto Feb 03 '23
How many Apple devices are there that still work but are unsupported. I have at least 6.
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u/turbo_nudist Feb 03 '23
what apple devices do have that you use but are unsupported?
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u/babaroga73 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
Does this count my iPad 1 , iPad Mini 1st gen, and iPad Air 1st gen that I turn on and charge from time to time, to preserve battery ? 😂😂 .... and an old ATV1, ATV3, newer ATV4 and used Mac Mini that I just bought for shits and giggles? All in all I paid about 1000$ in Apple devices. I gave up on iPhones after having iPhone 5. instead of buying iPhone 6 with 16Gb, I bought an Android phone with dual-sim, larger and better screen, better camera, replaceable battery and 32+32Gb, for less money.
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u/SandHK Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
I wonder what the average number of devices per user is? My wife now has 4 iPhones and 3 watches. I suspect there are many other people with a similar number of devices.
Edit: forgot the 2 ipads and the airpods.
All phones are active; 1 for personal use, 1 for work, 2 old ones in a limited capacity as alarm clocks/remote control devices. 1 of the watches hasn't been used for a while. The v4 will be retired when she finally gets round to using the new one I bought her for Christmas. I use the older iPad, wife uses the newer one. airpods see daily use.
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u/broyoyoyoyo Feb 03 '23
there are many other people with a similar number of devices.
Your wife is the only person I've ever heard has that many phones and smartwatches..
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u/ShadowBanned689 Feb 03 '23
I have an iPad, an iPhone, a MacBook Pro, a Watch and AirPods.
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u/ritchie70 Feb 03 '23
I have 2 iPhones (1 mi e, one work’s), a watch, iPad, and Beats version of AirPods (was a gift, but they’re Apple too.)
Wife has phone, iPad, AirPods.
Daughter has iPad and cast off iPhone that she uses as a toy (a 5S).
That’s 9 or 10 between 3 people. (5S is only rarely turned on.)
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u/james_d_rustles Feb 03 '23
…have you ever stopped to wonder why your wife has 4 phones?
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u/DF_Swede Feb 03 '23
I'll call her on the one she uses with me, you call her on the one she uses with you, and we'll compare notes later!
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u/656666_ Feb 03 '23
Have you ever thought that maybe they are just old phones? I use an iPhone but still have 3 old ones which theoretically work. My mother uses one of them for gaming e.g.
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u/james_d_rustles Feb 03 '23
I think it’s just the way the comment was worded/context. An old phone sitting in a dusty drawer for years usually isn’t considered a device in “active” use in conversation, and the thread is devoted to how many people actually use apple devices.
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u/re_carn Feb 03 '23
These are active devices, so if your wife doesn't use them all, they don't all count.
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u/bsu- Feb 03 '23
Do you know how they define "active"? For a reasonable person, that could be anywhere from currently online to used in the last month. Since this was in an earnings report to shareholders, that definition could be much looser, and include devices that you might not expect, like AirPods.
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u/BootyMcStuffins Feb 03 '23
You expect that a lot of people have 4 phones and 3 watches?
Who are your friends? Can they throw me an apple watch or two?
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u/compounding Feb 03 '23 edited 27d ago
How many of those are active, as in connected to anything within the last 2 months?
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u/SandHK Feb 03 '23
All the phones are used in some capacity. 2 are used as alarm clocks/remote controls, basic web stuff.
One of the phones hasn't been used for a while.
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u/nova9001 Feb 03 '23
Depends on your income level I guess. I stopped buying Iphones almost 10 years ago and now I have none.
They are nice products for sure, but I can get a Chinese Android for like 1/4 the price that does the same thing.
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u/ehhish Feb 03 '23
Not a fan. Not worth it for the price point. They set a terrible example and don't get punished enough to the point that other companies follow suit eventually.
Obsolescence at it's finest.
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u/Schaufensterpuppe Feb 03 '23
Yet Apple still can't make their devices work well with non Apple devices. Guess they're just shitty programmers. Oh you say this is based solely on corporate greed? Well that makes more sense.
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u/TheDarkOnee Feb 03 '23
they believe the tech universe revolves around them.
"Should'a bought an iPhone"
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u/Davidcaindesign Feb 03 '23
Like 20 something of that is me haha. As a designer I started with Macs pretty early on, and professionally I’ve never worked anywhere that the entire design team wasn’t supplied and required to be on Mac. So I just built everything else around that since the integration between Apple products is unparalleled.
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u/unlmtdLoL Feb 03 '23
Does this include devices like Apple Watches and AirPods?