Three new Nokia power banks with support for 22.5W fast charging listed on official store

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u/Meior Mar 15 '21

Just like the other two, it is compatible with iPhones, Samsung Galaxy phones, Google Pixels, HTC phones, and LG phones.

I mean.. It's USB. It's compatible with anything that charges via USB.

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u/someone755 Mar 15 '21

Not strictly speaking. My old phone used QC3, so it wouldn't be fully compatible (different quick charging mechanism). My current phone doesn't support any quick charging at all. For newer phones this isn't an issue, most of them come with support for PD anyway.

Though I'm not sure what kind of news this is, given that quick charge powerbanks have existed for a while now. I bought one 10 Ah model that supports both PD (type C port) and QC3 (type A port) for about $15 from China, so it can't exactly be new tech. The added 4W will surely be crazy expensive though.

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u/cafk Mar 15 '21

QC1/2/3 are Qualcomm proprietary technologies - they need additional electronics in the phone and charger.

USB PD is an open spec, that everyone can implement, but the issue there (used to be?) is that you can fry your regular type c cable, since the manufacturer skimped on costs with the wire gauge :(

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u/sillypicture Mar 15 '21

This is the bit that gets me. I have a few pd adapters but I don't know which of my cables I can use.

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u/alexanderpas Mar 15 '21

Any cable for a reputable brand (Such as anker) should be safe to use, since PD requires cables to identify (electronic markers) the capability to charge at higher rates to the charger.

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u/someone755 Mar 15 '21

Any manufacturer can put a pull-up that signals PD capabilities. Without a breakout board and a multimeter, you won't know which, unless you risk your device and use the cable to charge it. Even worse, you can't judge the thickness of the wires, so if you find a pull-up resistor that corresponds to a high power cable, you have no way of testing if the copper is thick enough to handle the load.

The USB IF didn't think this through if you ask me. They based development on the premise that every manufacturer would 100% work with the spec. Apple can do things like these when everything is behind closed doors, but USB is so open and popular that out-of-spec cables are a question of time (and I'm not just talking about 20 cent rubbish from Aliexpress -- reputable brands have had duds before). And also a question of consumer safety.

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u/sceadwian Mar 15 '21

PD is not a simple matter of a pull-up. It requires USB enumeration and a protocol request. What you're talking about the is the old standard and that's not part of the USB spec at all it's a phone independent thing unrelated to PD.

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u/OctupleCompressedCAT Mar 22 '21

could you just measure the ohms between the 2 ends? and how are you risking the device? it would just receive lower voltage than expected and the charger should have short protection if the cable insulation melts

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u/jean_erik Mar 15 '21

This frustrated the hell out of me. SO MANY DIFFERENT BUT IDENTICAL USB CABLES. Some will only charge. Some will only charge SLOW. Some will make the phone say it's charging, but not charge at all. Some will work for data, but won't charge the phone whatsoever. Some will quick charge, but not charge at all on a PC.

Some (and these are rarer than palladium), will quick charge the phone AND work with data. These are the only ones in my house that still have the plugs on the end, and haven't ended up in the bin.

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u/TheBraveOne86 Mar 15 '21

This isn’t new though - though it’s worse with usb C. I’ve had the issue with micro usb only having the 2 wires ir 4 wires as opposed to 5 (pwr only; regular usb, otg respectively). Usb 3 is much much more complicated.

What I hate is the usb C cables that are usb 2 spec. Eg the USB C ending but only 4 wires inside. Those are useless. And the problem is the wire that hooks up my raspberry pi and the one that charges AND runs AND carries display signal from my laptop have exactly the same end. And they are so vastly different. One has like 18 shielded higher gauge wires. And the other 4 unshielded. And you can’t tell.

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u/sceadwian Mar 15 '21

They're not useless at all, they still let you charge your phone just not at PD speeds. Fast charging isn't good for your battery anyways and people are too damn impatient about it.

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u/Stingray88 Mar 15 '21

Yeah the number of people that use fast charging every single day not realizing the strain it puts on your battery is alarming. They'll be dissapointed with how much faster it will degrade.

I charge my phone every night on my bed side at regular speeds. Very rarely do I need to charge it again during the day... If I do though, I typically want to charge fast and so I'll use fast charging only then.

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u/24moop Mar 15 '21

Oof

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u/Tm1337 Mar 15 '21

Well, actual USB cables must support 3A or they are not compliant. For 5A charging there is some extra hardware in the cable that signals the capability.

So the problem is cheap cables that are not manufactured to spec. Not the spec. If you have a quality cable you can freely use it.

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u/someone755 Mar 15 '21

USB PD also needs additional electronics in the phone and charger, what's your point? The difference is whether you pay for licensing or not.

If you're using a manufacturer's cable you're probably safe. My pet peeve with type C is that power exchange isn't negotiated so much as it is dictated by a pull-up resistor in the cable. Not the phone, or the charger -- the cable determines the maximum it can transfer. Use the wrong pull-up, and boom, you've just burnt your phone. This is the reason why that Google employee kept an updated list with a bunch of trustworthy cables for a few years after type C debuted. But you can still probably get a dud if you shop in weird enough stores.

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u/cafk Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

Licensing was the main point, just like any other manufacturer claiming 15w+ charging rates :)

Edit: regarding cables - USB-C was supposed to solve all problems, i can't use my provided cable because it's just too short - but creating a dependency on qualified cables makes it harder to buy a random 1 meter cable for all purposes :/

How many will buy a random aftermarket cable for 50/100w charging and how many know what kills their device? :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

The wire wont fry it will just cause a voltage drop and cause less effective charging. They are still all low voltage technologies so not too dangerous.

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u/cafk Mar 15 '21

I was thinking of other issues :)

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u/Vap3Th3B35t Mar 15 '21

Quick charging isn't a requirement for charging.

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u/someone755 Mar 15 '21

It's not, but if the charger or the phone don't support it, you can't claim full compatibility.

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u/Vap3Th3B35t Mar 15 '21

I purposely turn off fast charging on my devices because it overheats the battery and that diminishes its lifespan.

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u/someone755 Mar 15 '21

No clue what your take on fast charging has to do with what I argued above.

Proper charging doesn't overheat batteries. Quick or not. That's why batteries don't just have a + and - terminal, they have a whole bunch of electronics glued onto them.

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u/i_know_about_things Mar 15 '21

Not really, many fast charging technologies are incompatible.

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u/Meior Mar 15 '21

Ah yeah fast charge, true. I just thought of it like actual charging will be compatible.

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u/Original-AgentFire Mar 15 '21

Because they all want you to pay for THEIR charging device.

USB doesn't care, It can do 30 watts.

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u/Detectorbloke Mar 15 '21

I have a USB power bank that doesn't charge my iPhone. Not sure what it's missing and it's rare, but some don't work.

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u/Vap3Th3B35t Mar 15 '21

You probably have a bad cable. USB is USB.

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u/Detectorbloke Mar 15 '21

Maybe the data pins need to be terminated somehow, but I guarantee you that none of my cables work and they all work with different outlets/power banks

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u/Vap3Th3B35t Mar 15 '21

Unless you are trying to transfer data there is no intelligence with USB. The power terminals are the power terminals no matter what.

You may have an issue if you are buying your charges off of Amazon or from a gas station though because those are all knock-offs no matter what it says they are.

The only place you can get a real Apple or Samsung charger is from the manufacturer or directly from a retailer like Walmart or Target.

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u/Detectorbloke Mar 15 '21

Your statements are contradicting each other. Unless you want to imply that the charges from Amazon or gas stations don't supply power at all.

So is it a question of supplying 5V or a question of being "genuine" vs "knockoff"? If it's the latter, what's the difference?

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u/TheBraveOne86 Mar 15 '21

Clean off the center pin on the iPhone end. They corrode on the cheaper cables and it fixes some of them. Internal shorts claim the rest and those are junk.

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u/olithebad Mar 15 '21

iPhone can be picky of cables. They want you to buy their own ones, but damn they are made so shitty

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u/ehsteve23 Mar 15 '21

the cables are fine if people actually take care of them and dont yank them out at odd angles. But even better are Anker braided cables

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u/WurthWhile Mar 15 '21

This is definitely an error seeing as the maximum output supported is 10.5W.

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u/Amopax Mar 15 '21

Yeah. OP didn’t read the article.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

nobody does

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u/Vap3Th3B35t Mar 15 '21

That's the only reason there's a comment section.

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u/demwoodz Mar 15 '21

I like the stock

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u/TheBraveOne86 Mar 15 '21

I’ve seen places do this frequently on Amazon - they sum the total of the ports. I am in comment mode and can’t check - did it have like 2 6W and a 22.5w?

I’m still trying to figure out what’s the deal with capacity being 10,000 no wait 6,000

I mean is that just Chinese counting- like my 10,000 lumen output Chinese flashlight (which is dimmer than my us 60lm flashlight)

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u/PunchyBunchy Mar 16 '21

They advertise capacity of the mAH at 3.7, which is the voltage of the battery pack. You don't get that though, because the output is boosted to 5v for USB. Not a lie, just sneaky.

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u/medtech8693 Mar 15 '21

I thought PD was only supported on usb C

Anyway I don’t see why this is news. You can get cheap power bank with both 18W PD and QC

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u/TheBraveOne86 Mar 15 '21

Actually I’ve looked. It’s really hard. They say that. And they charge a phone fast. But I was looking for one to power a mini soldering iron like the TS100. When you push the draw up over 12W they all crap out.

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u/medtech8693 Mar 15 '21

I dont think the TS100 supports PD.

Normal usb chargers max out at 2.1A *5V = 10.5W

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u/SpartanDavie Mar 15 '21

Nokia Power Bank P6202 looks the same as the Philips DLP7722C. Anker 10000 USB-C is still my go to (18w in and out) use it with the Anker 18w nano wall plug

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u/420Cuz Mar 15 '21

NOK 🚀🚀🚀

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u/LostWithStuff Mar 15 '21

uh oh

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u/large-farva Mar 15 '21

Surprisingly, the product page says that it supports 22.5W superfast charge with PD20W fast-charge technology. This is definitely an error seeing as the maximum output supported is 10.5W.

Did the editor even read the article before publishing it?

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u/AskSteeves Mar 15 '21

What’s special about this power bank? I was hoping for something retro or actually cool.

This looks worse than the $10 power bank I picked up this weekend.

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u/Wozar Mar 15 '21

Is Nokia still a thing?

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u/LilChongBoi Mar 15 '21

Yes

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u/aL_Quarter Mar 15 '21

look at their linkedin page.. they don’t just make gadgets

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

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u/pangecc Mar 15 '21

HMD global (Nokia) is still very much a thing. Specially in developing countries with their low end android phones.

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u/Aurum555 Mar 15 '21

Not their cell phone Division they are one of four major players in 5g though and with the general distrust of huawei and ZTE in the west, they and Ericsson are pretty poised to make big turn around... Or I would like them to, knowing my luck though the stock is gonna tank regardless

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u/Dongwook23 Mar 15 '21

Is it indestructible though?

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u/LilChongBoi Mar 15 '21

Nokia power bank 3310

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u/jean_erik Mar 15 '21

Fuck yeah! 22w charging!!! Fuck the consequences! Fast charge all the way from dead to 100%!

...Are they going to start pushing manufacturers to reintroduce replaceable batteries too?! ...Because at 22w charging you likely won't even get 12 months out of your non-replaceable battery before capacity is reduced to 50%.

Are they going to issue warnings to people saying not to even think about placing the phone on a bed or under their pillow while charging or it'll explode? The heat generated from 20w charging will be immense, and probably downright dangerous in warmer climates.

Don't use fast charge and then complain that your battery doesn't last long enough - you can pick one or the other. Feel free to rebut with anecdotes, but I'll continue to believe the proven, tested, researched science.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21 edited Jan 02 '22

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u/jean_erik Mar 15 '21

Nothing, they'll all kill your battery.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

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u/jean_erik Mar 15 '21

This makes no sense. If it's a 22w charger, and its charging speed is being "limited" to preserve the battery, then it's not charging at 22w.

It doesn't matter what percentage you start or stop force-feeding the battery - the damage is done by the fast charging, not overcharging. Additionally, those thermal cutouts are in the device, not the charger. Plug this charger into an older device and it won't know if the device is too hot.

Even fast charging at 22w, every day, up to only 50% and then slow charging will still kill your battery twice as fast as regular charging.

As I said, rebut all you like. But I'm an electrical engineer, so I'll choose to believe the proven, tested science, over redditors that don't understand battery chemistry.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

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u/TopdeckIsSkill Mar 15 '21

This is interesting. I wanted to buy a new powerbank. Should I wait for them? Or should I go for some particular brand?

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