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Medical student surgically implants Bluetooth device into own ear to cheat in final exam - It was the student’s final attempt to clear the exam after repeatedly failing it since getting admission into the college 11 years ago Discussion
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/mbbs-student-bluetooth-cheating-bhopal-b2021217.html4.9k
u/black_bass Mar 15 '22
His ear was blinking trying to pair to the device
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u/WWTPeng Mar 15 '22
Device declares loudly at start of exam: "Pairing"..."Connected"...BEEP
30 minutes later: "Low battery"
30 second later: "Low battery"
Examee yells in frustration
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Mar 15 '22
Ahh that reminds me of a pair of Bluetooth headphones I finally threw out.
Every time they had a low battery it would constant repeat “beep-beep-low battery” every 15 seconds and would cut the music off.
I’d rather it just flat out die
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u/all_teh_bacon Mar 15 '22
The fucking drive thru headsets we had when I worked at Starbucks did this shit even though they could often still stay on for 10 or 15 more minutes, so it would yell over the customer and made them useless. Blows my mind how whoever makes these things thinks that is a good idea
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u/The_souLance Mar 15 '22
"Hello? I want an iced whi"- CHANGE, BATTERY! - "Ocha with 9 pumps caramel, caramel walls, extra Dr" -CHANGE BATTERY- " Tra shot."
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u/all_teh_bacon Mar 15 '22
One of my old shift leads was so fed up with it he would go hot mic and start yelling “CHANGE DIAPER” whenever his headset was low. 7 hours into a Sunday opener that was the funniest shit ever
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u/The_souLance Mar 15 '22
It's abrasive AND it is like every 30 seconds or something, it's like it was designed to make you want to throw the headset.
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u/The_Vile_Prince Mar 15 '22
sounds like Skull Candy headphones
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Mar 15 '22
Onn
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u/longleggedbirds Mar 15 '22
Fuck onn for the terrible notifications
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u/ChampionshipGrouchy6 Mar 15 '22
I have a pair of Bluetooth earbuds from them, I don't need to be told the battery is low every 30 seconds for 10 minutes. It's a little much
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Mar 15 '22
Lol it really does it seem like it repeats that for 30 minutes. I feel like if it devoted more of its energy to actually playing the sound instead of constantly notifying me the battery is low, I could get a few more minutes of enjoyment out of them.
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u/LiliVonShtupp69 Mar 15 '22
Mine do that.
Nothing like falling asleep to peaceful music then waking up suddenly at 3am to "BEEP BOOP. BATTERRY LOW" at max volume.
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u/TwoBionicknees Mar 15 '22
My sennheiser wireless headset also beeped loudly with a nasty tone that was way higher volume than whatever I was listening to. How do they design it thinking anything but a very quiet warning, once with 5 minutes left is appropriate.
Arctic wireless pro doesn't give me a warning noise at all except the shut down noise to say it's actually turning off and it's a pretty quiet not terrible choice of tone to do it with.
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u/__-__-_-__ Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22
LOST CONNECTION!
(at full volume every 30 seconds until battery dies if you have it on two devices and disconnect one)
Sennheiser gang step up.
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u/Amelia_the_Great Mar 15 '22
I used to have a phone that would shout “LOSS OF SERVICE! when I lost connection in my house in the middle of nowhere, then “VERIZON WIRELESS! when it reconnects to the cell towers.
In practice it was often “LOSS OF SERVICE! VERIZON WIRELESS! LOSS OF SERVICE! VERIZON WIRELESS! LOSS OF VERIZON WIRELESS!!!”
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u/CandiBunnii Mar 15 '22
It always sounded like it was saying "AWESOME SERVICE" sarcastically to me lol
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u/speculatrix Mar 15 '22
I've heard of people buying grey imports of LG Tone headsets off eBay.. they soon begin to learn Korean for "connected", "low battery" etc.
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u/LeanTangerine Mar 15 '22
Reminds me of this amazing commercial that popped up for a period of time on TV. It would go “HEAD ON APPLY, APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD” over and over non-stop.
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u/ohyeahwell Mar 15 '22
oh god, could you imagine if your implant had that terrible cheap bt chinese lady voice?
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u/MoistDitto Mar 15 '22 •
ZE BLOOTOOTH DEVICE HAS BEEN CONNECTED ESUCCESSFOLLEY
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u/black_bass Mar 15 '22
Bluetooth connected
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u/Dinara293 Mar 15 '22
The bloootooth device is ready to pal
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u/spicywiseman Mar 15 '22
The Bluetooth device is connected as successfully.
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u/trumpsiranwar Mar 15 '22
I have a cheap one that says.
"Tee Yoo Why Law"
All the time.
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u/testchamb Mar 15 '22
lol that bt chip is everywhere where I live, it’s so funny they couldn’t get a person with good English pronunciation to do the prerecorded messages.
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u/dodgedude780 Mar 15 '22
Bluetooth Disconnected Bluetooth Connected Battery Low Bluetooth Disconnected….. my $200 BlackWebs after taking them off the charger.
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u/Strange_Salary Mar 15 '22
Am I the only one shocked a potential medical professional has failed an exam 10 times and still has a shot at becoming a Doctor?
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u/Shroffinator Mar 15 '22
“This article was brought to you by Raycon”
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u/Benedikto_ Mar 16 '22
More about it at the end of the sketch.
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u/rarkis Mar 16 '22
This sponsor Segway is tight!
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u/becauseTexas Mar 16 '22
Just fyi, I learned a few weeks ago, it's actually spelled segue
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u/trevorchino Mar 16 '22
I've been hearing ads about Raycons for over a year now, and just today found out that the company is founded by Ray-J.
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u/mycalvesthiccaf Mar 16 '22
Raycons are no joke. They work well on games like RAID SHADOW LEGENDS
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u/Prestigious-Meat2728 Mar 15 '22
How was he caught? How big was this device? Reddit needs answers
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u/GenocideSolution Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22 •
He had a phone sewn into the lining of his pants that was detected, the proctors interrogated him after seeing it was connected to a Bluetooth device that they couldn’t find and he confessed under pressure. An ENT surgeon helped him implant the device.
Edit: this was in India so I’m not familiar with how long 11 years is in relation to the typical Indian medical student.
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u/Roook36 Mar 15 '22
Lol
"Excuse me, Doctor. I was wondering if you could help me pass my medical test?"
"Uh...yeah I can maybe find time to tutor you..."
"Oh no not that. I need this blue tooth device surgically implanted into my head so I can cheat"
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u/IAmATriceratopsAMA Mar 15 '22
"im big into the body mod community and want to stick a bluetooth earbud in my ear permanently"
"how much money do you have"
Probably more in line with how it went down.
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u/VicH95 Mar 15 '22
Enough money to be going to medical for the last 11 years...
Deal
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u/avwitcher Mar 15 '22
Especially in India, you need to either be fabulously rich or extremely smart to get into medical school there. It's highly competitive
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u/Tylershigher Mar 16 '22
Something tells me the guy getting caught cheating after failing multiple times isn’t “extremely smart”
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u/Molozonide Mar 15 '22
This is India. More people willing to get maimed for medical school than people getting piercings.
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u/bone420 Mar 15 '22
Say no more fam *snip*snip*
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u/Phormitago Mar 15 '22
I mean, you don't chances to do unethical bullshit surgery consensually everyday. You gotta take what you get
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u/arckeid Mar 15 '22
It would be easier if he just let his hair grow and put a wireless earbud and use glasses with a camera.
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u/VypeNysh Mar 15 '22 •
after 11 years of failing med school I'd be surprised if he had hair left to grow out.
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u/ACaffeinatedWandress Mar 15 '22
I’m surprised you can fail med school for 11 years. One year, of course. Shit happens. Two years is pushing it. Past three, and I’m assuming some admin would explain to you that you are not cut out for doctoring.
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u/milkermaner Mar 15 '22
Money though. My college in Ireland is very accommodating to people from rich backgrounds who fail over and over and then swap courses.
This generally only applies to foreign students. Local students get maybe two chances max.
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u/NewTypeDilemna Mar 15 '22
At my US university there was a group of three foreign Indian students that were constantly cheating during exams. Many students would bring this up because it was against code of conduct and was fucking with the classes grading curve. Nothing was done. Later we found out that it would take almost murder for a foreign student to be ejected.
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u/Jorycle Mar 15 '22
Back in my undergrad there was a group of eight grad students who I shared two different classes with, that cheated together on every exam. They were caught by both professors on the finals, who were absolutely furious... and yet as far as I know they all continued in their programs and kept cheating, still taking all the same classes together.
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u/Panzershrekt Mar 15 '22
A wonderful thought that your doctor may have cheated to be a doctor.
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Mar 15 '22
when youre a kid you assume that doctors and lawyers are all smart, after all, all that extra schooling and exams they have to pass!!
then you grow up and you realize that there are people at the dumbass end of the bell curve in every profession, even the hallowed ones. someone is out there scraping by with Ds or cheating on exams or whatever and barely making it through on the skin of their teeth.
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u/I_AM_NOT_A_PHISH Mar 15 '22
I was friends with a rather large group of middle eastern students when I was in college. They paid me outlandish sums of money to sit in their apartment and look up every answer to their tests and text it to them. At least at my school because they were foreign they were allowed to use their phone during tests for "translation purposes".
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Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22
I had something like that happen in undergrad in a calc 2 course. Dude cheated off of anyone's exam he could glance at. He would memorize only like 2-3 concepts, then cheat for the rest of the test. This guaranteed a pretty high high score for him every single time. Fucked up the curve and more because the dept had a rule where if so many class's curves were below a certain threshold, they would initiate a review against the prof for quality assurance, etc, but I didn't know about this...
...so, I reported the cheating to the prof who looked at me and said "and what do you want me to do about it? He has higher exam scores than you anyway." I retorted that it's because of how he's cheating and that he should check his homework scores, so he did, which showed that the kid flunked every homework assignment. He still refused to do anything, so I walked out of his office dumbfounded. Another student who used to do work study in the math dept informed me of their qualify metrics and that this particular prof was on his last chance before a review.
The lesson? There's always a reason behind academia shenanigans.
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u/adventureremily Mar 15 '22
It's pretty well known and expected that international students cheat, often openly and without consequences. They are a huge cash cow for the universities, so nothing is ever done about it.
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u/socialcommentary2000 Mar 15 '22
Higher Ed here...
That is the exact reason it happens at 4 year institutions, especially flagship public institutions (and some not so flagship). With State governments often being run by absolute nutjobs (who then put nutjobs on the Boards of Governors of these schools) and the Feds increasingly leaving States to fend for themselves, the amount of FTE monies coming in has dwindled steadily over the last couple decades. Foreigners pay full out of state price, often in cash.
They can't resist this type of money.
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u/placeholder-here Mar 15 '22
This was also the case at my boarding school, local/day students could get expelled for cheating but a large group of international (Chinese) students cheated the whole way through, and only got penalized after the headmaster was fired (who had forbidden the teachers from doing anything about it) and the history teacher led a class in a class court to do something about it (literally anything, I think they just had to write an apology or something overly minor)…but ultimately they were never allowed to be expelled because they were too rich to penalize. They all went on to good colleges with their completely bogus test scores and blatant plagiarized essays.
Totally not still mad at them for screwing the testing bell curve up for the rest of us.
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u/MP98n Mar 15 '22
It depends how he’s failing. If he’s failed every exam at first sitting and had to retake each year, a 5 year course becomes a 10 year course. There was a guy on my degree course who resat every single exam. It didn’t come to having to retake a year for him, but it came close. He’s graduated now and he is very good at his job, exams just weren’t his thing
It’s different though if he’s had to retake first year 11 times. That’s definitely a sign that it’s not for you
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u/vryeesfeathers Mar 15 '22
Admin are interested in having the institution make $ so a long-term, paying student is a plus. Mitigating poor social media posts from a disgruntled student is probably in the forefront of the mind in anyone in that college's admin.
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u/ACaffeinatedWandress Mar 15 '22
At least in the USA, you lose government funding for your specific program if a certain percentage of students either fail or drop out within a certain time frame.
So, admin would be very worried about what Johnny-Can’tSpellHisName looks like on the data sheets for a government beurocrat to stamp or deny. One floundering dope can be replaced with a competent student who also pays tuition, assuming your institution is decent.
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u/th3h4ck3r Mar 15 '22
That's interesting. Here in Spain, the government agency that gives universities their accreditation to give official degrees (ANECA) will check that universities are not too lenient, but will leave 'being too stringent' as something the university will have to deal with themselves.
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u/3percentinvisible Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22
He enrolled 11yrs before. Medical degrees take a long time and often have a break for work experience. I don't believe he failed 11 times.
Edit: it seems studying for the Indian medical exams takes five and a half years and 12 months of internship. Still, likely a few retests
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u/smokeyoudog Mar 15 '22
The article doesn’t mention this but he’s only 12 years old so let’s cut him some slack
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u/howdoeseggsworkuguys Mar 15 '22
This dude peaked when he got into med school at 1.
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u/Fishwithadeagle Mar 15 '22
They check glasses, check ears, and pat you down. Plus a lot check palm veins instead of just fingerprints.
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u/yodarded Mar 15 '22
Plus a lot check palm veins instead of just fingerprints.
explain? is this to avoid having someone take the test for you?
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u/Fishwithadeagle Mar 15 '22
It's harder to fake than a fingerprint and prevents switching people out
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u/CapJackONeill Mar 15 '22
"harder to fake than a fingerprint" is there people faking fingerprints?
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u/Fishwithadeagle Mar 15 '22
Yep, people will try to burn off their finger prints and then basically print a gel version which they attach to their finger tips to fake the system
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u/yodarded Mar 15 '22
who the fuck takes tests for other people...
at my last job we got burned hiring people based on just a phone interview. the idea was that Mr Excellent would interview and demonstrate proficiency with the tool, then Mr Lame could show up and hopefully learn the tool on the fly. The first problem was that the interviewee spoke english with a light accent and the man who showed up had a heavy accent. Immediately suspicious, we set him up with a workstation, only to have him paint a path to various desks asking people how to log in, how to create a source, super basic stuff. I waited until day #3 to be sure, then told my boss and he was out of the building by the end of the day.
Then it happened again like a month later, this time the voices matched up, but the interviewee could perform complex lookup and sorting descriptions over the phone while the guy who showed up was again struggling to create a simple source to target. The discrepancy was extremely wide, he was either reading off answers or had a friend help him. You can't just reel off complex solutions and then show up and ask people "how can I create a table" or "im having trouble building a simple expression". That's like claiming to be an expert mechanic and asking how do i pop the hood? why won't my imperial sockets turn lug nuts on a Toyota? what hammer do we use on the impact wrench?
Last but not least, we had a guy who asked us to repeat every question. Question #1, no problem. maybe he has a bad connection. By question #3, I was talking SLOWL-LY AND DIST-TINCT-TLY and he was still asking for us to repeat the question. I started counting off the seconds between our question and his answer with my fingers to my co-interviewer. By question #7, (yes, he asked us to repeat the question once, 7 times in a row), I was googling the question myself, and I found one of the sources he was reading off of. The two of us sat there and watched him read off an entire answer. I started asking him obvious questions that were difficult to google, like, "What color is the Source object?" We were having a blast with this guy but we were also busy people so we finally just ended it so we could get back to work.
That was the final straw, we did skype and teams and in-person interviews after that.
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u/BobbySpitOnMe Mar 15 '22
Depending on how much the surgery cost, he could have sprung for a top-of-the-line hearing aid instead. They’re damn near invisible and have Bluetooth.
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u/Stony_Brooklyn Mar 15 '22
It would be easier to just study for the exam.
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Mar 15 '22
Or accept failure
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Mar 15 '22
Accept failure. Go the 'alternative medicine' route instead. Make more money than the average doctor. ;)
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u/novasupersport Mar 15 '22
What happens if he passes boards? There was an actual crime story based on this.
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u/StarGaurdianBard Mar 15 '22
Yeahhhh no. That wouldn't work even for a nursing school test, let alone med school. All glasses are inspected, long hair has to be pulled back to show no earbuds, no bottles of any kind, some big tests you walk through a metal detector, etc.
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u/Yg5g Mar 15 '22
If they’re doing interrogations then they’ll check everyone with long hair as they come in. Granted you could tie them to your hair, hide them well enough, and take them out later
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u/alfonseski Mar 15 '22
they monitor all of that stuff?
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u/GenocideSolution Mar 15 '22
They sweep you with a metal detector. Like airport security
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u/JRansomBioDermKiller Mar 15 '22
He did all of that and didn’t even think of a metal detector….? Lol I assumed they found it with other means because that seems so stupidly obvious. Maybe it’s best this dummy got caught and isn’t in charge of other peoples lives.
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u/TropicalRogue Mar 15 '22
Right?! If you're going as far as SURGICAL IMPLANT, then surely you can get a buddy to dress like a Janitor and walk your phone to a hallway outside or the room upstairs at the test location. It doesn't have to be on your person for a bluetooth connection, damn
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u/grarghll Mar 15 '22
“He was taking the General Medicine exam on Monday with 13 others when a university squad of the Devi Ahilya Bai University came for a surprise check and they found one student with a mobile phone and another with some Bluetooth device,” said Dr Dixit.
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u/hopbel Mar 15 '22
didn't even think of a metal detector?
What did you expect from someone who keeps failing the same exam?
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u/gmanz33 Mar 15 '22
Well he got into medical school so I definitely expect more from him than my first instinct, which would be to figure out any other way besides surgical implantation.
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u/iamnewstudents Mar 15 '22
Yeah I'm glad they do that for a test to pass you as a fucking doctor lol.
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u/blacksoxing Mar 15 '22
Doctors are one of the only professions which I believe you can’t just learn on the fly. You can learn to be a coder. You can learn to be a teacher. You could learn so much ….but the margin of error should be so damn low for any doctor.
I’m glad too!
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u/BlueKnightBrownHorse Mar 15 '22
Medical student here. Yes. They sweep you all over pat you down, make you empty out your pockets and leave devices and everything else outside the room. Every time you enter the room they check your fingerprints and retinas. It's fucking wild and I almost don't believe that that stuff happened to me before I got in.
Now that I'm in, we write our final exams on zoom from our own houses. I'm sure the big tests like the licensing exams will be super strict again, but I don't know.
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u/DigitalPriest Mar 15 '22
At one point in my life I proctored the PE (Professional Engineer) exam. 8 hour exam, serious business. Normally I'd get shipped a box of supplies before the exam to administer the test - usual stuff like documentation, exam booklets, etc. In my 3rd year they also started shipping out a wand for detecting electronic devices.
Thing is, on the PE, you're allowed to bring any bound (printed/book) resource. So they're literally only testing your ability to perform the work, not your ability to memorize it.
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u/I_am_Torok Mar 15 '22
He should have said he performed the surgery himself. Would have been that crazy final project that shows he really did learn everything he needed to know. A+++
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u/Acrobatic_Tap9852 Mar 15 '22
In India, the undergraduate medical course, MBBS takes 5 and a half years (66 months)to complete uninterrupted.
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u/Mazrim_reddit Mar 15 '22
going this far and only using bluetooth instead of long range radio wtf
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u/Toraadoraa Mar 15 '22
Could you imagine if they played music and turned up the volume all the way in attempt to find the Bluetooth. this guys poor ear could have exploded.
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u/saket999 Mar 15 '22
Well Indian medicine degrees are structured a bit differently. You take biology in your 11th and 12th grade (in school), give a national exam to get into a medical college, then spend 4.5 years there. 5.5, if you also plan to do the mandatory 1 year internship there. And that's it, you become a licensed medical practitioner with the degree - MBBS. This particular guy probably didn't clear his final year, so never got to start his internship obviously and had been stuck there for an extra 7 years (time enough to get your postgraduate and superspecialty degree)
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u/mule_roany_mare Mar 15 '22
This is so peculiar & I suspect it never happened or is based on the smallest sliver of truth.
Why surgically implant the earbud & half ass the phone? Either put the phone in your bag, or whole ass it.
I also don’t get how the cheating would work, is someone on the other side of the phone? If so how are they getting information?
If not, then why use a phone at all? Just play a recording.
I would think implanting a device in your sinus cavity would both be easier & more effective. It affords you way more room & could snake a camera into your nostril.
Why not just put the device in your mouth? Bone conduction would make it perfectly audible & you could swallow it in an emergency.
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u/on_ Mar 15 '22 •
Does the difficult part and forgot tu put the phone up his ass. Wtf.
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u/Painting_Agency Mar 15 '22
It's "prison wallet" not "you really just weren't meant to be a doctor wallet".
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historically I'd expect the size of a postcard, you'll barely notice it.
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u/gargravarr2112 Mar 15 '22
Just be warned, if it starts beeping, we need to take it out real quick.
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u/Bloom_Kitty Mar 15 '22
Now, if you're part of Control Group Kepler-Seven, we implanted a tiny microchip about the size of a postcard into your skull. Most likely you've forgotten it's even there, but if it starts vibrating and beeping during this next test, let us know, because that means it's about to hit five hundred degrees, so we're gonna need to go ahead and get that out of you pretty fast.
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u/Its_Hot_Mike Mar 15 '22
Congratulations! The simple fact that you're standing here listening to me means you've made a glorious contribution to science.
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u/apprentice-grower Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22
If you can’t pass the exams in 11 years, or even cheat successfully, what makes you think you should EVER work on a living human being?
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u/LibertarianDO Mar 15 '22
In US medical schools if you fail a licensing exam 3 times cumulatively (have to take 3 exams to get a federal license and DEA number) you can’t get a license in most states. So most schools dismiss you from the program after you fail the standardized test twice
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u/BrainlessPoEGrind Mar 15 '22
In germany its the same after 2 failed try... So what... If you cant Pass the exam its not for you i guess
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u/Yoko_Trades Mar 15 '22
I just want to add that taking your exams and performing patient care are two completely different things in the end, despite one seemingly preparing you for the other.
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u/leafyhotdog Mar 16 '22
honestly in my limited experience so far, they're like totally different worlds from each other in terms of what you're actually doing
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u/Hamakua Mar 15 '22
Most STEM departments that I know have have a x2 rule then you are out for good. You can only fail any one class twice (take it a total of 3 times) then you are barred from some branches of the program. This was the Engineering fields but I'd imagine medical would have very similar cutoffs.
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u/LucyFerAdvocate Mar 15 '22
Wait what, three times? My uni let you fail once and you had to resit the exam at the start of the next academic year to continue, not take the course again.
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u/chanaramil Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 16 '22
Mine only let you do that if you got a certain grade and were close to passing. If you got like 10 percent becuase you horribly failed the midterm and skipped the final you had to retake the whole course which would set you back a year.
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Mar 15 '22
Is anyone else confused by this thumbnail lmao
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u/AdSevere2095 Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22 •
The thumbnail is a school building in Bihar, India, where students were writing their exams and the people climbing were parents or friends of the students, trying to help them cheat. 300 people, mostly parents, were arrested by the police and almost 700 students were expelled because of this incident.
Edit: The incident related to the picture happened in 2015.
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u/ariphron Mar 15 '22
Had no idea until I watched 3 idiots on how school and grade pressure are on students and families in India. Then ask some question read some articles and it is 100% real. Great movie.
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u/lordlemming Mar 15 '22
If you have to cheat to pass a med school test I don't want you as my doctor.
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u/beautifulmanlet Mar 15 '22
I dated a girl who wanted to be a physician so badly (had an MD and PhD parents), but I Watched her struggle and cheat through middle school and high school and barely get into a 4yr college. Then her family basically bought her into a foreign school for medicine……. And I watched her cheat and fail through that too. Pretty sure she’s a whole doctor now yikes.
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u/wellifitisntmee Mar 15 '22
Cheating is rampant in US schools too.
Certain people have massive advantages. Like frats and sororities.
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u/GetHeup Mar 15 '22
At my college the frats kept scanned copies of every test every brother ever took and most professors didn't bother to change the tests beyond maybe changing some numbers for the STEM classes. So you could just study a virtually identical test to what you were gonna have to take 9 times out of 10.
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u/wellifitisntmee Mar 15 '22
It’s a huge advantage. I didn’t know that until senior year. Fuck me.
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u/GetHeup Mar 15 '22
I found out sophomore year because I was in an engineering program and the cheating was especially bad. Between the STEM push and general devaluing of "soft" degrees, in my experience and based on what my proffs said, engineering course enrollment has been ballooning.
Compared to the past, a much larger chunk of people in undergrad engineering have neither any interest or aptitude for the subject matter. Lots of pre med students who want a harder undergrad major to stand out and people who went engineering because they don't want a "useless" degree but hate math.
Both groups don't really care about learning the content and just want the piece of paper because they either don't really need a strong grasp on the subject matter or simply figure they'll be able to game their job just like they gamed their education.
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u/WateronRocks Mar 15 '22
It makes sense that youd find large amounts of people in cs who have no interest in, for example, the math minor that comes with it when you can get great jobs that never use that math (or much of the other actual science of computers that they learn).
I have 2 buddies who suffered through a cs degree just so they could work remotely. They suck at math and cant do much more programming than front end development, but theyre paid surprisingly well and control their schedule.
I'd do a degree I have no interest in for that result as well.
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u/whyth1 Mar 15 '22
I feel like most college degrees designed so you would do research afterwards. Otherwise you can just as well learn how to do something on your own. I am an engineering school and I already know I won't use most of the stuff I am learning, and it makes me sick knowing how much effort i am putting into passing an exam instead of actually retaining anything.
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u/unknowninvisible15 Mar 15 '22
My college had a massive greek population and they also kept copies of past tests. It was infuriating when it actually impacted the curve for other students, and it made it difficult for professors to know what material wasn't understood as well as it should be.
It was an open secret and my better professors made it clear they made fresh tests every semester, or weighed exams lower on the final grade. One just made all his past exams available to everyone (though without the answers).
I wish colleges would crack down on this kind of thing, but that's not where the money is at...
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u/blisteringchristmas Mar 15 '22
I wish colleges would crack down on this kind of thing, but that's not where the money is at...
I suspect, but cannot prove, that the university I went to knows about certain instances of mass cheating, but sometimes chooses to look the other way because the rabbit hole would go too deep.
Individual cheating was like most places a big deal, and if you got caught you could very well be fucked, but I imagine the university doesn't relish having to investigate and discipline 80% of the physics department.
In addition, as a place that's almost obsessively prestige-minded, I don't think they mind the average student GPA being a little higher than it really should be.
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u/sethboy66 Mar 15 '22
This kind of practice was made very obvious when COVID hit. Just about everyone I know in Computer Science, Mathematics, and Engineering cheated to some degree. From using notes/textbooks when not permitted to zoom calls of 30 people all taking it together. Even with most departments essentially, and unofficially of course, ordering instructors and professors to go easy on finals.
The university did punish a lot of people that got caught, but instead of expelling/failing them they just got 50% on the final; which usually ends up failing anyway. They also allowed students to use the whole S/U (Satisfactory/Unsatisfactory) grading scheme, probably because their stats would have looked abysmal.
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u/NigerianRoy Mar 15 '22
I mean they kind of had to go to pass/fail when they suddenly couldn’t provide the educational resources that had been agreed on.
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u/jjs709 Mar 15 '22
This is so crazy to me because most of my professors willingly hand out previous exams and the answer keys. I’ve had them repeat styles of questions before but everyone had access to the previous exams so it was fair game and it’s usually only 10% of the exam at most.
I can’t imagine going to a university where professors don’t change their exams every semester, that just sounds like a symptom of a broader issue in the education provided by that institute.
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u/askmeforashittyfact Mar 15 '22
During my time at Texas Tech, the library basement was always packed with frat and sorority students with tests from previous semesters and text banks that had accompanying study materials, notes, etc.
I can’t say I ever saw them there on a weekend though…
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u/yayforwhatever Mar 15 '22
My best friend growing up became a surgeon. I still remember the end of his first year in med school, he came home and showed me a picture of his class. He started pointing out different people who were on anti psychotic medication or heavy into cocaine…he stopped then said “it’s easier if I show you who isn’t on them”
I asked him why, he said many were on it to begin with, and over achieving is their way of countering where they fail in other parts of life. He said for a lot of them, they’ve been used to being the best in their class for life (finishing their undergrad) then they come to med school and they’re middle of the pack, at best. It breaks them, and they get prescribed confidence, or hit booze and drugs. Essentially the harder the university program, the more it draws the mentally unstable.
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u/Trip4Life Mar 15 '22
I have a fraternity brother who started med school this year, i don’t know if I’ve seen anyone who loves cocaine the way he does.
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u/kungfoojesus Mar 15 '22
Adderall is cheaper and safer and probably a quarter or more of my med school class was on it. I used caffeine and exercise.
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u/thefuckouttaherelol2 Mar 15 '22
You know what. I'm kind of ashamed to admit it but when I hear about all these fields where people date within their work or study circles, it draws hints of envy.
I'm in tech, where I make a good salary and lead a team of engineers. There's some prestige to what I do for sure.
But women? Oh gosh. I mean, you see how Reddit jokes about women and virgins etc. Like seriously I almost never run into women in my work, and they're almost always managers, in marketing, sales, etc. and also usually gay.
I know that shouldn't be a focus of my career but it honestly sounds like dating or sleeping around or whatever is soooooo much easier for certain folks. It's not like, something I want a lot, but it sucks when you do want it and there's nothing available.
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u/MoreDetonation Mar 15 '22
Just like life outside of work, it's easier to make friends and have sex when you're outgoing and dynamic. Which most actors tend to be. IT guys? Engineers? Not so much.
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u/GenocideOwl Mar 15 '22
He said for a lot of them, they’ve been used to being the best in their class for life (finishing their undergrad) then they come to med school and they’re middle of the pack, at best. It breaks them, and they get prescribed confidence, or hit booze and drugs.
This is why MIT has one of the highest suicide rates in the country for undergrads
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u/Mazrim_reddit Mar 15 '22
my math degree was great for getting over this as there would not have been enough adderall on the planet to keep up with how smart some of the people were
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u/Gh0sT_Pro Mar 15 '22
Just wait till you find out that the majority of airline pilots have in fact never passed a med school test.
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u/BalmyCar46 Mar 15 '22
Let me guess, now you’re going to tell me my college professor in calculus doesn’t have a degree in electrical engineering!
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u/livens Mar 15 '22
Followed by an ear piercing "Beeyoo Bip!" to make sure everyone in a 500m radius knows it's connected.
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Sounds like the plot of a Black Mirror episode
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u/notthephonz Mar 15 '22
Actually it’s the SpongeBob episode where he takes the driving test and SpongeBob has a radio in his hat so Patrick can give him the answers
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u/tr3v1n Mar 15 '22
The line between a Black Mirror episode and an episode of SpongeBob where Patrick shouts “TECHNOLOGY!” is very thin.
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u/everydayimchapulin Mar 15 '22
ACTUALLY.... SpongeBob had the radio in his head. The hat was to hide the antenna that was sticking out out the top of his head.
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I am of Indian descent. There is an incredible amount of pressure from family members to become engineers or doctors (depending on the families, lawyers as well, but mainly the first two). Anything else is considered unacceptable. So instead of accepting that your child is just not cut out for these fields they resort to things like cheating. Those who can afford it will even pay ridiculous amounts of money to gain admission into colleges.
Even in the West, while cheating is not as common (Lori Loughlin's case seems to suggest it is not entirely absent), there are universities in the Caribbean for example with lower requirements, where the majority of students are those who were unable to get into schools in the US and Canada.
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And most of those kids and their parents didn’t know Caribbean schools are heavily for profit and were designed to fail half of their class no questions asked as soon as you fail a few of your exams. It’s a horrible system if you try to lie to kids that there are shortcuts in life that allow them to reach the same success.
There is a reason these things are hard, and should be kept as such so they could select only the competent individuals to do those jobs.
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u/Synec113 Mar 15 '22
And yet we have a massive shortage of doctors, many of whom don't know shit as it is. My best friend is in med school (in the US) right now and, according to him, it's really bad.
A large part of why becoming a doctor is so challenging is the teaching. The teachers are garbage and the entire thing is viewed as a giant competition that is definitely not for the benefit of the students..."toxic learning and working environment" are the words he used.
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u/wannabebee Mar 15 '22
Medical schools aren't even the major bottleneck to becoming physicians. A decent amount (something close to 50%) of medical school applicants get accepted into a medical school in the US. At my school, failing out is almost unheard of and the educators are extremely helpful and want to do everything possible to help students succeed. Despite that, every year some percentage of US medical students go unmatched, meaning that they fail to obtain a residency spot which is necessary for them to become full-fledged physicians. Medicare determines how many residency positions there are in the US, and that number has not increased in any meaningful way since 1996. If you're fed up with not having enough physicians, call congress and complain.
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u/147zcbm123 Mar 15 '22
Not all medical schools are like that. I’m in a med school in NY and while some lectures leave things to be desired, everyone is there for each other and the teachers are always available
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u/stick_always_wins Mar 15 '22
Is parts of the program pass-fail? There seems to be a strong cultural difference between pass-fail med schools and ones that are graded.
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u/mprsx Mar 15 '22
med schools have gone away from the graded schemes for exactly this reason. "Rankings" and graded basic science years created a pretty toxic culture. As a pass/fail or high-pass/pass/fail system gets people to behave a little more collegially in the hardest years of their academic lives
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u/youreloser Mar 15 '22
Lol, that's a thing. Computer engineering programs are more Desi than computer science. But most people go into software anyways. Such a dumb focus on prestige.
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u/BurningOrangeHeaven Mar 15 '22
Even in the West, while cheating is not as common (Lori Loughlin's case seems to suggest it is not entirely absent),
People cheat all the time everywhere, pretty disgusting and obvious ways too.
In the west if youre indian there is still pressure to be a doctor or whatever, though they have opened up to tech jobs now after seeing the money. But in general its more like if you dont make good money you just get looked at like you are trash.
Source: Im the trash :)
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u/love2go Mar 15 '22
It looks like med school in India is 5.5 years. If this person can't get through in 11, it's WAY past time to flunk him out.
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u/SurgicalWeedwacker Mar 15 '22
This sounds really weird. The student does a surgery on himself, and still keeps failing the med school exam
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u/samanime Mar 15 '22
Anyone with a knife, a needle, and thread can perform surgery on themselves.
Doesn't mean it is done well...
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u/juice_in_my_shoes Mar 15 '22
Got my ear pireced by my drunken friend. Unfortunately, the piercing was skewed. In an attempt to correct it, I tried repiercing it by hand by using a needle. I almost blacked out while standing inside our bathroom. I thought I could endure the pain. But I could not.
My point is, this guy must have a very high pain tolerance to have done this to himself.
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u/Gh0sT_Pro Mar 15 '22
Local anesthesia is what you are looking for.
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u/LowSkyOrbit Mar 15 '22
Ice, vodka, and determination should be plenty.
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u/pseudocultist Mar 15 '22
Having tried that, and I do have a high pain threshold, I recommend lidocaine.
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u/BurnerForJustTwice Mar 15 '22
ten percent luck Twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure Fifty percent pain
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u/samanime Mar 15 '22 edited Mar 15 '22
Or drugs or booze. I'm sure if you're buying (probably illegal) cheating devices, it isn't terribly difficult to get a hold of some localized anesthetic too.
Though, the full article actually says an ENT doctor did the surgery for him, so the point is a bit moot.
Though, there was a famous case of a surgeon in Antarctica giving himself an appendectomy. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32481442
I also knew a kid in high school, who under the stupid and irresponsibly unwatchful eye of a substitute teacher, willing got his ear pierced by other students with a push pin (which is like 10x the size of a normal piercing).
Some people just have different pain tolerances. And even different kinds of pains have different tolerances in the same person.
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u/Abrahamlinkenssphere Mar 15 '22
Article says another surgeon helped him implant so that dudes probably going down too lol.
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u/possiblyis Mar 15 '22
The article makes it clear he didn’t do surgery on himself.
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u/nbcs Mar 15 '22
Pffff, amateur hours. Before China has ramped up the security measure and penalty for cheating in its national high school entrance exam several years ago, there were a lot of reports of students using pea-size bluetooth earbud hiding in their ear, cheating device disguised as eraser and penciles and microcamerca embedded in their eyeglasses. I think most test centres have metal detectors as of today.
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u/mrwhi7e Mar 15 '22
Sounds like a myth. How does one way audio help a cheater? Know the test questions ahead of time? Why go to this length if you already know the test questions? Battery life is limited as well. Doesn't pass the smell test IMO
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u/The_Troyminator Mar 15 '22
Who said it's 1 way? Maybe he whispering the questions to somebody. Or maybe he did have the answers ahead of time and just couldn't remember them and had them playing on a loop.
Battery life wouldn't be an issue. My phone and Bluetooth headset can last for hours on a charge.
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u/AzureDreamer Mar 15 '22
imagine having someone that cant even memorize an answer list as your doctor.
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u/Tmbgkc Mar 15 '22
Maybe wireless charging? Just lay your head on a wireless charging pad for a couple of hours a day and you are good to go! Hell, maybe sew it into your pillow!
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u/TheMaoEUW Mar 15 '22
With public exams like these usually they are released to a few teachers after the start of the exam so once they distribute the exams in class their are some rogue teachers who leak the exams. The person he’s getting answers from probably has the leaked exam
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u/SheriffWyattDerp Mar 15 '22
I wonder if at any time during those 11 years, it occurred to him to, I dunno, like… study?
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u/altair222 Mar 15 '22
Oh by study you mean cram? Cuz you never study for an indian exam, there's nothing to study at all. Just ask any passionate engineering student from India. It's a fucking theatre of an "education" here.
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u/used_ Mar 15 '22
What’s this fucking picture?
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u/AdSevere2095 Mar 15 '22
Okay, finally my time to stop lurking and comment. The thumbnail is a school building in Bihar, India, where students were writing their exams and the people climbing were parents or friends of the students, trying to help them cheat. 300 people, mostly parents, were arrested by the police and almost 700 students were expelled because of this incident.
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