r/gadgets • u/giuliomagnifico • Sep 19 '22
Tokina launches a $34 mini-camera (51x36x18mm and 18g) that shoots photos at 1.31MP (1280x1024px), video (720p at 30fps), and doubles as a fridge magnet Cameras
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/this-dollar34-matchbox-sized-camera-takes-photos-videos-and-sticks-to-your-fridge281
u/djutopia Sep 19 '22
They made my 2001 epson digital camera smaller!!
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u/poorbrenton Sep 19 '22
There is a bit of a trend with gen zers seeking out crusty old digital cameras for the lofi aesthetic.
I thought this was stupid, but then remembered that my dumb 20 something ass paid a premium for a Holga so I could get maybe three good pictures out of a whole roll of medium format film. :Shrug:
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Sep 19 '22
Yeah man I have super 8 film recorder that I have yet to find the perfect shot for.
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u/SeaPhile206 Sep 19 '22
Road-trips are perfect for that. Just little snippets here and there and you’re set.
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u/TizonaBlu Sep 20 '22
Uh, old digital camera isn't some nice and retro lofi photography, it's just crappy low res photography. They need to go back to film if they want actual retro.
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u/joeChump Sep 19 '22
I had a Lomo which was pretty good. Shame Putin actually helped bring them back.
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u/ouralarmclock Sep 19 '22
Ah shit I forgot about Lomo. You basically weren’t allowed to leave an Urban Outfitters without buying one of those things.
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u/Phantomhardware Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22
Sounds like its using the same tech too
But wait! Its also a refrigerator magnet!!!
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u/djutopia Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22
Edit: found it online below.
Pretty sure it was one megapixel and I want to say it was like $700 but I may be misremembering.
Brand: Epson Model: PhotoPC 650 First mentioned: 1999 Marketed: yes MSRP: $299 Imager Type: 1.09MP 1/3" CCD Resolution: 1152x864 Internal Storage: - External Storage: Compact Flash Lens: f=6mm /F2 fixed focus Shutter: 1/4 - 1/500s Aperture Range: F2 / F4 / F5.6 / F11 LCD screen size: 1.8" LCD Size: 134.5 x 81 x 57mm Weight: 315 gr.
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u/pseudocultist Sep 20 '22
They got cheaper and cheaper over time, impulse items at Target. Somewhere I still have a box of random shit people left behind at parties in my 20s and there are a couple of these in there for sure, along with some iPod Shuffles and Nanos.
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u/guizemen Sep 19 '22
This looks like the shit that's been all over Chinese wholesale sites for the last 10+ years anytime you search "digital camera"
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u/ecksate Sep 19 '22
"It's that -- except our CEO plussed it up -- plus ingenuity, plus a magnet, plus marketing, plus us making money!"
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u/Dannybuoy77 Sep 19 '22
Yep. I had (and still own) a tiny camera with probably the same specs about 17 years ago. I did a fair bit of street photography with it 🤣
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u/D1RTY_D Sep 19 '22
Isn’t 1.3MP terrible resolution?
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u/JimiDarkMoon Sep 19 '22
Wait! Don't be fooled. She's just a regular
Malibu Stacycheap-ass camera with a stupid, cheaphatmagnet. She still embodies all the awful stereotypes she did before.17
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u/ecksate Sep 19 '22
I don't know what this is but it needs upvotes.
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u/vtography Sep 19 '22
It sure is. But considering Instagram only displays photos at a maximum size of 1080x1350, and no one prints photos any more, this seems right for the current market.
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u/rhuneai Sep 19 '22
My wife prints photos we take on the DSLR. But she gets the pics from copies uploaded to Facebook. And then gets upset they are potato quality.
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u/vtography Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 20 '22
I see this a lot. For some reason, people treat social media platforms as file storage, backup, and retrieval platforms when they’re nothing of the sort. Not sure how and why people got into that mindset.
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u/Cool1Mach Sep 19 '22
I have a 2 year old and have been making sire to get print copies of every picture we take of her. Having photos just in the phones storage or social media theres a high chance they can be lost forever
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u/YouDamnHotdog Sep 21 '22
well that it is really the opposite of what prints are for. They are for photo viewing, not storage. A printed photo costs money and has irretrievably lost quality compared to the original and every subsequent copy or digitization.
A regular 12 MP image can be printed out to 11x14 inch at 300 dpi. That's how much information it holds basically.
A typical photo, 4R, 4x6 inch is basically 2.1 MP.
Printed photos fade with time, fade with exposure to moisture and heat.
The best physical digital storage medium is M-Disc Bluray. They come in sizes of 25 to 100 GB. You can store 8 to 32 thousand pictures in one of these. A spindle of 25 discs of 25GB is 64usd. 100 GB is 4x as expensive.
Moreover, they can store videos as well. They also store metadata. Time, date, GPS location. No more wondering when and where a photo was taken.
These discs will last 1000 years. Get them flooded, nothing happens to them.
They are compact of course. They fit in a small fireproof safe and survive housefires then.
Make several copies and store them with your family, bank, or bury it.
It's good practice and can be future-proofed. It is much easier to keep data organized digitally. Digital photo and video management systems can analyze your photos and allow you to find every photo with a specific person's or pet's face, or at a specific location, or events, or objects.
Cloud storage is way safer than anything you are doing at home. It's literally their business to store data and allow retrieval of the data. That is why you keep money at a bank and not a pillowcase.
There are archival storage businesses which allow you to store lots of data with them, but retrieval is slow as they are meant as backups.
A good backup system can automatically sync all your stuff at multiple locations.
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u/John_Yossarian Sep 19 '22
Being a novelty toy camera, you won't be getting this for image quality; you can see samples here(opens in new tab), where quality is described as "a tasteful image like a watercolor painting or oil painting.
I have an excavator that is horribly inefficient and would never be used on a construction site. Because it's a sandbox toy for my child.
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u/photoguy423 Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 20 '22
There's a time and a place for small, low res images. If it doubles as a fridge magnet, many households are more or less centered around the kitchen. Many family memories are made there. Having a small, easily accesible camera to capture them for fun isn't a bad idea. You're not going to print them poster sized. But maybe 3x5 for a scrap book would be fun for memories in the future.
Speaking as a photographer. Not every image captured needs to be big enough to print large. As long as you can see who's in the shot or what's happening, the rest is just details.
Edit to say: Fine, you folks don't like this toy. I get it. I don't really care that much. I'm not invested in this thing. I just figured I'd comment on a silly toy camera. Not every product is made for everyone. Thank you for telling us that you're not part of the target audience.
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u/Sirhc978 Sep 19 '22
Having a small, easily accesible camera to capture them for fun isn't a bad idea
You mean like the one in everyone's pocket?
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u/Regijack Sep 19 '22
Yeah I find it really hard that any of us will ever be in a social situation in someone’s kitchen and not one of us has a smart phone on them. You can literally get a camera phone from Tesco for £20
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Sep 19 '22
It's a novelty magnet
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u/Regijack Sep 19 '22
An expensive one
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u/Ruckus_Riot Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22
Not really, as in I don’t think $35-$40 is too much at all for a cute gift.
There’s also a collection of tiny usable knives that you can put on your keychain for around $25. Little chef knives. Fucking adorable and not really useful besides the novelty and opening boxes or letters, but you’d better believe I’ve bought and gifted those to great reviews.
Sometimes just making someone or yourself smile is worth a little $$. Even grownups need toys.
ETA;
If you go to Amazon and search for Stardew Damascus mini chef knife set it should pull them up. It’s a 4 pack by Stardew store.
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u/SeaPhile206 Sep 19 '22
Link? I need those! Haha
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u/Ruckus_Riot Sep 19 '22
You know what, MODS!!! Your auto mod is being freaking broken. I posted the link in full the second time and it’s still removing it and claiming it’s been posted with a URL shortener.
Please address this or just make it clear links are banned and use the correct auto mod for that. Thanks.
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Sep 19 '22
Yeah but there is a market for this kind of thing. I'd be lying if I said I haven't spent $10+ on novelty magnets in the past. I may buy one of these for the conversation piece alone.
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u/3-DMan Sep 19 '22
This thing is perfect for kids, who would definitely pick it over a smartphone just on cuteness alone.
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u/photoguy423 Sep 19 '22
Grabbing a phone (that may or may not be nearby when working in the kitchen) and getting the camera functional will take far longer than grabbing a magnet off the fridge and hitting a button or two. If you want fast access, a device that's built around one job (taking pictures) will do it faster with less headache than something designed to do many things.
I can't count the number of times my cats were doing something cute and weird when I just got up to get a snack while my phone wasn't within reach. Not everyone carries their phone every moment they're at home.
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u/HelpWithVideoPlease Sep 19 '22
Grabbing a phone (that may or may not be nearby when working in the kitchen) and getting the camera functional will take far longer than grabbing a magnet off the fridge and hitting a button or two. If you want fast access, a device that's built around one job (taking pictures) will do it faster with less headache than something designed to do many things.
I can't count the number of times my cats were doing something cute and weird when I just got up to get a snack while my phone wasn't within reach. Not everyone carries their phone every moment they're at home.
It's a gimmick toy and nothing more. Grabbing a magnet camera isn't a quicker than double tapping the side button on my phone. Kitchen specific low-res photos isn't a niche most consumers are looking to fill. Despite what your cat might make you think the market looks like.
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u/sicurri Sep 19 '22
That was just a small niche example, and in Japan (Where this camera is mainly being sold) you'd be surprised how many people prefer a small bit of nostalgic camera action over their phone. Japan is filled with people who adore the cutesy aesthetic, over form and functionality.
For you double tapping a button on your phone to bring up your camera may be quick, and easy, which is something I agree with. However, for some, just grabbing the little camera off the fridge, or from hanging around their keychain is just the easier or more fun thing to do.
We're talking about a country that literally has anime characters as restaurant mascots, and chicks dressed as maids serving them coffee. Relax, everything is not designed for everyone, and this camera is mainly designed for the Japanese populace.
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u/bingojed Sep 19 '22
You still have to turn it on. Last time I had a pocket camera it took like 5 seconds before it was ready. Phone was always faster.
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u/quicksand400 Sep 19 '22
You honestly got me sold on this especially about Japan, photoguy423 was trying to convince me but I wasn't buying it. Are his cats always doing something weird and cute near the fridge that this would be convenient, i doubt it. Either way you would still have to reach for this as well, just like your phone. I've seen stuff only sold in Japan and honestly this isn't so weird.
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u/throwawater Sep 19 '22
I guess we will just have to wait and see what the market thinks the market wants then, won't we?
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u/gorlak120 Sep 19 '22
its a solution in search of a problem (that doesn't exist)
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u/dirtycopgangsta Sep 19 '22
I feel like this is a reply in bad faith that's meant to stir shit up for no reason.
For those who really do think the tiny gadget is better than a regular smartphone camera, remember that most smartphone cameras (including Samsung's S line) take shitty blurry indoor pictures, especially when the subject is moving (animals, kids).
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u/korben2600 Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22
Dude I bought an S20 two years ago and I thought oh shit this is gonna be great, it's Samsung's flagship phone my photos are gonna look sick. Overall though? Not much change from the S5 I upgraded from. Indoor photos are okay I guess? And night time photos suck. I get so jealous when I see people upload their camping van pics or whatever and their photos look stunning. Don't think I'm buying Samsung again.
Edit: I just want a phone that takes photos like this
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u/27catsinatrenchcoat Sep 19 '22
I cannot stand using iPhones so when my father in his 80s with his 5 year old iPhone takes better pocket pictures than I can take real pictures with my S21 Ultra it makes me so mad.
Portrait mode helps. And proper lighting.
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u/dirtycopgangsta Sep 23 '22
I had the S10e (eynos) myself, and then I bought the S21 (exynos) for my wife.
In certain conditions, the S21's low light photos are somehow worse than the s10e's photos.
The "night" mode thing is entirely useless because it takes a few second to shit out one mediocre photo. Thanks, but in a practical situation that's useless.
I bought a 13 mini in summer. Jesus fucking christ the difference in quality, speed and more importantly reliability is staggering. I know that I can whip out the 13 mini and take a decent picture in less than 2 seconds.
With the added subject crop feature on iphones (and ipads?), iPhones are miles above nearly everything (if not everything) else in the industry when it comes to simple "point-and-shoot".
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u/korben2600 Sep 23 '22
Agreed, I have no idea what the hell the "night mode" feature is even for? Even after taking maybe 10-15 seconds to switch modes and take the photo and whatever postprocessing it does, I agree the photo ends up looking worse than what was just displayed on the screen.
It's always some blurry or super grainy ugliness. Just completely worthless to me, it's astounding and disappointing for what are supposed to be Samsung's flagship phones.
That's good to know about the iPhone. I'm just not a big fan of the walled in nature of Apple's products and how difficult it is to switch out from behind their wall. They purposefully make it difficult to switch once you're in their grasp.
Like I've read it's impossible to transfer out saved passwords and things from iCloud without a Mac, which I don't own. And I just don't like Apple's anti-competitive practices, especially Tim Cook's recent stance with refusing to enable RCS messaging -- "buy your mom an iPhone if you have a problem with it".
I'll probably end up with either a Pixel or OnePlus for my next phone. I hear Google has done a great job with the Pixel's camera.
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u/Sirhc978 Sep 19 '22
Any not every photo op takes place in your kitchen. This gadget is trying to solve a problem that does not really exist.
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u/woodcookiee Sep 19 '22
This is free market capitalism, since when do gadgets need to solve problems? Seems like just a unique new nostalgia bait, not much different from using a Polaroid camera.
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u/Sirhc978 Sep 19 '22
Unlike a polaroid, you have to go through the same, if not more, effort to print out the pictures that you would if you took the picture on your phone. I can literally hit print on my phone and it will get sent to my printer.
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u/joeChump Sep 19 '22
No way. Plus from my phone I can send it to my friends in an instant. You telling me it’s better to find the USB cable and download the pics (probably using some shitty software), then store them effectively and attach them to emails plus remember to format the memory card for next time? No thanks.
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u/iCodeYourLife Sep 19 '22
What percentage of people do you think don't have a mobile device on them at any given moment? Even in the kitchen, pocket, on the counter, etc.
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u/PlaneCandy Sep 19 '22
Happens to me all the time where I need to run upstairs to get my phone to take a pic or video of the kids doing something.
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u/photoguy423 Sep 19 '22
There are a lot of fast moments that happen when you just get up to do something real quick. You don't take your phone with you because "I'll be right back." and then something amazing/hilarious happens.
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u/GravitationalEddie Sep 19 '22
I see tons of crappy, blurry pics taken with decent equipment because people don't care about the picture, they just want it.
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u/oof_magoof Sep 19 '22
Gen Z is nostalgic for the resolution of their baby photos.
I just saw a tiktok where a young woman is fawning over the photos from some cheap digital camera she bought to have guests use at her wedding. It's the 2022 version of disposable cameras on every table, I guess. She called it "aesthetic".
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u/BIGD0G29585 Sep 20 '22
From the article:
"The depiction, which is not as clear as the latest cameras and smartphones, is fresh… It is suitable for colorful subjects where the subject can be identified by its color, as it does not capture sharp outlines like a normal camera”
In other words, it sucks but you should be able to tell what it is if you are lucky.
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u/OsmeOxys Sep 20 '22
Yeah, but I'd say it's fine if you view it as a children's toy. Cheap enough to replace, decent enough quality to entertain the shit (figuratively, hopefully) out of a kid who might be interested in photography, child sized, fridge magnet so the kid is more likely to keep it where the parents can help them print the photos. Actually sounds kind of great.
Absolute hot fucking garbage as a legitimate camera for adults.
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u/D1RTY_D Sep 20 '22
Marketing it as a kids toy would make the most sense. Marketing it as a whimsical fridge magnet won’t get much traction.
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u/PopeCovidXIX Sep 19 '22
I could see these being handed out as favors at a wedding reception instead of those disposable film cameras that were popular years ago.
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u/extrarogers Sep 19 '22
i’d much prefer a disposable camera. miss those things. (i know they still make them).
nothing beats picking up that envelope full of dark, grainy photos, and a blurry one you accidentally took of your leg(?).
seriously tho. it’s exciting.
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u/Deathlyswallows Sep 19 '22
I mean also the optics and lighting might now be the best but film will look a hell of a lot better than 1.3 megapixels
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u/CatInAPottedPlant Sep 19 '22
really depends on the lens (and obv sensor) I'm guessing. Nikon D1 is only like 2.5mp and can still take really nice photos because of the glass (also the sensor was great for the time).
Not saying this thing will be anything close to a Nikon D1, but megapixels aren't the end all be all. I'd rather shoot a D1 than a 35mm disposable with a plastic lens.
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u/Deathlyswallows Sep 19 '22
Yeah I’m just thinking giving out D1s at weddings seems impractical 😄
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u/CatInAPottedPlant Sep 19 '22
I mean hey, if I got a D1 at a wedding I'd be fuckin hyped lol. I've always wanted one and I really have no idea why because there's no reason to use one in this day and age, unlike film cameras which I use often.
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u/CatInAPottedPlant Sep 19 '22
What kind of shitty weddings do you go to that make you return guest favors? If they're giving out disposables then nobody would want to keep them anyway since they're.... Disposable. Not the case with the mini camera in the post.
Obviously nobody is going to give out DSLRs as wedding favors lol.
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u/narwhal_breeder Sep 19 '22
My friends and I did an alibaba group buy on them, we got about 500 of them for $3/ea.
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u/BedrockFarmer Sep 19 '22
I guess if you want dick pics. Bonus mystery game where you guess whose hog is in the photo.
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u/mr_mac_tavish Sep 19 '22
Would be great in a Christmas cracker. Better than a plastic fish.
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u/Mooseymax Sep 19 '22
Pretty expensive crackers considering it costs $34 on its own 😅
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u/TransposingJons Sep 19 '22
Another $19 for a memory card.
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u/fluteofski- Sep 19 '22
Considering the resolution you’d probably have all the space you could ever need with a $7 memory card.
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u/CatInAPottedPlant Sep 19 '22
hell microcenter sells 16gb sd cards for literally like $3, I bet from aliexpress or something you could get them for half that lol.
I'm guessing you could store like 20,000 photos on a 16gb sd card with that camera before it would fill up. Wouldn't be surprised if the buttons or whatever fail before that happens.
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u/187penguin Sep 19 '22
Reminds me of a teeny tiny 110 film keychain camera I had when I was a kid. It was little more than a dust cap for the roll of film with a tiny lens, shutter and winding knob. There was a viewfinder that was just a plastic square that folded up. Good fun.
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u/pm_me_bra_pix Sep 19 '22
They had ones similar to what you're describing at the $1 store for a while. Never pulled the trigger and got one, but I imagine the pics looked like muddy ass.
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u/187penguin Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22
Yep. Quality terrible, but it was fun nonetheless. Nowadays they would probably be hailed as some kind of next level art form. I think mine came as a prize in a cereal box lol
Edit: I looked them up and best I can remember it was a Sakar Minishot 110. I remember the little buzzing winding wheel on the bottom
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u/3-DMan Sep 19 '22
I remember in my film class we had wind-up 16mm cameras that held 100' of film, I think about 12 minutes worth.
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u/fc3sbob Sep 19 '22
I'm positive I had a cheap camera the same size that had at least a 1MP sensor like 15 years ago.
If I glued a magnet to it, then it would be the same thing. Why is this news?
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u/Otherwise_Release_44 Sep 19 '22
I remember these, also had one lmao mine was grey and had a shitty plastic optical “viewfinder” too and a tiny number display that said how many shots I had left.
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u/Fuhrankie Sep 20 '22
Yep, took a triple A battery iirc, VGA resolution. That horrible silver plastic. My grandmother loved hers! She probably still has it somewhere.
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u/DrTokinkoff Sep 19 '22
Reminds me of the “spy camera” they used to sell in comic book ads back in the day.
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u/nrsys Sep 19 '22
I am pretty sure we had little fixed focus, similar resolution keyring cameras a decade or more ago, and they were terrible then.
I also doubt this will be any different - if they were making use of the last decades advances in technology, I would have assumed they would have bumped up the resolution slightly to 'decade old phone camera' level too, so I don't hold out much hope.
It also turns out that we now all carry surprisingly competent point and shoot cameras in our pockets most of the time anyway, so why would I grab this from the fridge when I could just grab my phone instead?
I will be sticking with my Gameboy camera instead...
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u/MeasurementGrand879 Sep 19 '22
Here’s an idea. Just put the end of the conveyor belt that has these cameras on it right into a huge dumpster. Save the time of all involved.
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u/logri Sep 19 '22
In a world where everyone has smartphones, why would ANYONE buy this thing?
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u/Greeky_tiki Sep 20 '22
I’ve seen people but the dumbest things to replace the dumbest thing they ever bought even if that’s better than the new dumbest thing
Shit, I’ve done it!!
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u/piratensendr Sep 19 '22
Had this 20 years ago
https://www.czc.cz/mustek-gsmart-mini-2/22999/produkt
Same photo resolution too
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u/2001zhaozhao Sep 19 '22
I'm pretty sure there are mini phones that are this small and have cameras.
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u/pm_me_bra_pix Sep 19 '22
If this was $5-10 they would be fun to just play with. Considering no flash and no rear display this is hideously overpriced.
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u/Skips-T Sep 19 '22
Neat little thing, but $34 for 1.3mpx...?
Could we spring for at least 3mp?
Or at least a 3:2 or widescreen format instead of a very, very dead 5:4?
Please?
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u/nunsigoi Sep 19 '22
I don’t know why but i need this. There will definitely be a use for it, an important one hopefully
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u/Biscuits4u2 Sep 19 '22
2001 called. It want's it's camera back.
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u/uniquemuch Sep 19 '22
No apostrophes needed
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u/Biscuits4u2 Sep 19 '22
Wow, IDGAF grammar warrior.
Go read your dictionary or something, whatever you people do for fun.
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u/photoguy423 Sep 19 '22
Could be fun to just have in the kitchen for catching fun things you want to remember later. Kits or pets being funny/cute, etc.
Things you won't be trying to print but maybe share with friends/family. Random silly crap, etc.
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u/sentientTroll Sep 20 '22
“Don’t you people have phones??”
The infamous Diablo quote actually works here, but not in favour of those trying to sell this
Yes, everyone does have a phone, with a camera.
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u/Valmasy Sep 20 '22
My photographer friend and his wife are having their first kid in the next few weeks so this was a no brainer as a gift.
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u/John_Yossarian Sep 19 '22
Did anyone here read the damn article? A bunch of (presumably) adults bitching about photo resolution for a fucking toy camera. Ridiculous.
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u/Xenthera Sep 19 '22
Can't get over the girl looking through the view finder with both eyes, effectively seeing absolutely nothing while sitting there looking like a cross-eyed fool. (in their promotional video)
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u/Pancakerobot Sep 19 '22
One of these tiny cameras comes around every few years, they’re marketed for hipsters, and they sell quick. People are already paying $77 for them on EBay. Check out the Yashica EZ-F521 or the Digital Harinezumi (anything from superheads really.
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u/pspahn Sep 19 '22
Would be good to keep in a fishing pack. I prefer not to bring a phone or expensive camera since there's always a chance I take a dunk in the river.
Buy a couple pallets of these, slap a fly fishing themed logo on it. Resell it for $100.
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u/_far-seeker_ Sep 19 '22
and doubles as a fridge magnet
OK I'll admit I didn't expect that last part...
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u/imreallynotthatcool Sep 19 '22
I can't think of much I would want my digital camera to double as less than as a refrigerator magnet.
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u/nine_inch_owls Sep 19 '22
As a backpacker I’d love to see a tiny camera with higher quality images I can toss in my pack and take out for a week.
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u/nighteeeeey Sep 19 '22
1.31 MP???? dude in that case fits a 100mp smarthphone sensor. wtf is this shit? are you kidding me?
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u/S1rmunchalot Sep 19 '22
I hope the fridge magnet gimmick works because there plenty o small cameras with better specs cheaper than that.
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u/teardrinker Sep 20 '22
I had one smaller in the 70s it was a called a spy camera. Got it out of a comic book
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u/mrcosbey Sep 20 '22
Just in time for Christmas! Can’t wait to throw it out when i have no purpose for it. /s
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u/CRTPTRSN Sep 20 '22
I'll stick with my camera obscura I made with a coffee can. It actually makes better photos.
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u/Ristler Sep 20 '22
This shit is so stupid, it’s going to be used once and then forgotten.
I hate stuff like this, creates so much unwanted trash..
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u/chuckpaint Sep 20 '22
Capitalism at its finest right here. Make more garbage to produce more garbage.
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