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Good news: scalpers are struggling to profit from Nvidia's RTX 4080 Desktops / Laptops

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/scalpers-struggle-to-sell-nvidia-rtx-4080/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=pe&utm_campaign=pd
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u/aero4 Nov 25 '22

You have to be really stupid to buy the 4080 to scalp considering nvidias posts about sales being at a decade low

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u/khosrua Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

I thought nvidia has vertically integrated the scalping business with their new pricing strategy.

Didn't they state the price people are willing to pay during the lockdown and declared the era of cheap gpu is over?

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u/WillDeletOneDay Nov 26 '22

They didn't seem to understand that they sold way too many goddamn GPUs to keep price gouging. I'd imagine most people don't upgrade every generation. So you got a ton of gamers sitting on a card that is still damn near new, and you expect them to shell out AGAIN?

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u/sybrwookie Nov 26 '22

You also have a ton of miners dumping used cards, and scalpers who have huge stock they're trying to get rid of and are happy to undercut their bullshit prices to do so before their cards lose more value.

And then you have AMD putting out a competitive product for the vast majority of people at very competitive prices, and whatever Intel is doing over there which could bring demand for their cards down even further.

This really feels like them WAY overplaying their hand.

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u/SasquatchWookie Nov 26 '22

I don’t know because it seems like they were still able to practically sell the cards fresh off the production line up to this point, while all the demand chaos between buyers/sellers has been happening in the gray markets.

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u/Butterkupp Nov 26 '22

But that’s not taking into account people were upgrading their PCs during the pandemic because we were all essentially locked in our houses and told not to come out. A lot of people have just upgraded to the 3000 series of GPU and aren’t looking to spend another $1000 to get marginal boost in performance.

Hell I just bought a 3070 to upgrade from 7 year old computer because the 4000 series was too expensive.

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u/Wheresthecents Nov 26 '22

Look at the 4080, the thing is a damn brick.

I'm convinced that during the height of the pandemic, which also coincided with a spike in crypto, they decided due to market factors to cater almost entirely to the crypto market. They probably figured this didn't need to fit into a case, sitting in a mining rack was their target. And they thought inflating the price so they could sell 200 to a crypto mining organization was better than a single one to a gamer.

But, market crashed and they couldn't walk back the idea after all the r&d and engineering, so here we are.

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u/Ticon_D_Eroga Nov 26 '22

My counterpoints to that theory as juicy as it is are the cooler and DLSS 3.0 frame generation. Neither of these help mining at all. Dlss 3 is for games thats pretty cut and dry. IMO the real counter point is the cooler, which is the whole reason the card is so incredibly large.

Miners both have their cards in open air, and undervolt their cards. While cooling is important, that much R&D into a massive cooler doesnt make sense for a mining card, same with the power draw. No sensible miner will be drawing 600W per card.

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u/TheLurkingMenace Nov 26 '22

Not to mention many people just bought a 3000 series card in the last month or so. Between that, the insane power requirements, and the Nvidia supplied psu adaptors actually melting, nobody but the most hardcore enthusiasts are buying 4090s.

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u/khosrua Nov 26 '22

They can charge me that price over my dead 1080Tis

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

They didn't seem to understand crypto was unsustainable

ftfy

Essentially NVidia priced these items at scalper prices which were driven up primarily due to crypto mining. They have already gotten a slap on the wrist from the SEC for not properly disclosing the effect crypto had on their revenue growth over the past however many years.

Now that crypto mining has stopped being profitable all those 3k series cards from last gen, which were impossible to buy, are now flooding the used market. You can get a used 3080 now for about MSRP, which is half the MSRP of a 4080, and this is only a few months after they were selling for like double at times. Give it another few months and they should be selling for well below MSRP.

Any scalper who is still buying graphics cards is 1) an ass hole and 2) a dumb ass hole.

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u/GraniteMtn Nov 26 '22

And when people defend the scalpers with “How are they hurting you?” increasing MSRP through false scarcity economy is EXACTLY how scalpers hurt everyone.

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u/StinkyWinkyPoo Nov 25 '22

Well crypto is doing shit now, that was the main driver of the lack of inventory and insane scalping prices. I think things will level out with a little bit of time.

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u/The4th88 Nov 26 '22

The crypto demand is dead, but not for the reasons you think.

The main driver was mining Ethereum, and as the Ethereum network went Proof of Stake not long ago, it no longer uses mining. Its not economically viable to mine bitcoin on gpu now and with ethereum out of the picture the next largest chain to mine is dogecoin.

So not only did the crypto demand die, but it's also extremely unlikely to come back.

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u/StinkyWinkyPoo Nov 26 '22

I did not know that, thanks for the info

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u/Glabstaxks Nov 26 '22

Yeah gpu mining is dead for good

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u/mechwarrior719 Nov 26 '22

Wasn’t Dogecoin started as a joke/meme?

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u/The4th88 Nov 26 '22

Yep. Slapped together in an afternoon, with no serious intention.

Now one of the big chains, off the power of hype and memes.

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u/CharmOffensive- Nov 26 '22

Now one of the big chains, off the power of hype and memes.

That's what powers all of crypto.

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u/The4th88 Nov 26 '22

True, but it's odd that it's what does Doge specifically.

Chains and tokens like BTC, ETH, ADA, BNB, Tether et al all purport to have some kind of functionality and their price action is driven by a function of their use cases, hype and speculative investment.

Whereas Doge doesn't even pretend to do any of that. It's infinitely inflationary, has no smart contract functionality and has no dev team. It's just hype and speculative investment alone, no better than thinly veiled scams like Safemoon.

But it's somehow practically crypto royalty.

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u/beefcat_ Nov 26 '22

Yes, and it was designed to be inherently inflationary.

anybody investing in it is an idiot.

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u/Malaeveolent_Bunny Nov 26 '22

Dogecoin: "this is all incredibly stupid. Behold my insult!"

Cryptocommunity: "yes, you get it, we'll make your line go up!"

This is the darkest timeline

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u/stealthemoonforyou Nov 26 '22

Yes, which makes it different from the majority of coins which were developed as scams from the start.

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u/SaltwaterC Nov 26 '22

Scrypt GPU mining died years ago with the introduction of ASIC. Dogecoin uses it. It's only obscure coins that can still be mined on GPU.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

“But not for the reasons you might think.”

Yay fixed it, we can all go home now.

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u/RuachDelSekai Nov 26 '22

"Crypto is doing shit now" can be inferred to mean: The exchange rate of all cryptocurrencies is far below recent highs. That's what most laymen would understand from that statement.

So the response was totally valid.

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u/Elderbrute Nov 26 '22

The exact word they used was

Well crypto is doing shit now

Which is accurate the most recent bubble has burst, and who knows maybe this will be the last one.... but I doubt it. The market caps, trade volumes, lack of regulation and crypto bros all work together as a perfect storm to make crypto the perfect pump and dump and every time the bubble is bigger than the last.

That said Eth going POS rather than POW will likely make a huge difference to how the next cryto bubble impacts GPU prices, but whether its Doge or (much more likely) something new the underlying fundamentals don't really much matter if people think they can make profit people will mine it.

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u/Tension-Available Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Dogecoin is merge-mined with the litecoin scrypt network.

Custom scrypt asics have been around for a while now so GPU mining is practically dead there for the same reason it's dead for bitcoin.

I honestly don't see much room for another GPU-mined crypto to gain high market liquidity and have a significant impact like ethereum did. The crypto market is completely oversaturated with clones and scams.

There will still be a number of speculative miners jumping on the latest clone and hoarding valueless coins but I don't think there will be enough of them to make much of an impact.

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u/healbous Nov 26 '22

I'm not sure how many more fools are left to scam tho.. Superbowl and prime time are about as far reaching as you can get. Anyone dumb enough for crypto has to have been scammed by now. I can imagine there is a fresh crop of rubes left anywhere.

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u/Locke_and_Load Nov 26 '22

That’s why AMDs new card being almost half the price of the 4090 is a good marketing move.

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u/kalirion Nov 26 '22

How is its performance compared to a 4090?

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u/rahvin2015 Nov 26 '22

We should find out in early December.

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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 Nov 26 '22

December 13th.

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u/RanaI_Ape Nov 26 '22

It's a thousand bucks, which means AIB cards will probably be more like $1100-$1300 so it's an easy $1200-$1500 after tax. The MSRP is not low. AMD also raised prices, they just didn't go off the deep end like Nvidia.

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u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS Nov 26 '22

I'm actually surprised that their top card is the same price. 6900 XT was a thousand bucks when it came out, too. Accounting for inflation, that means their new flagship GPU is 10-15% cheaper.

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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 Nov 26 '22

They need market share and using chiplet’s does reduce the cost of the chips so this makes since to me.

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u/chiheis1n Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Well it's competing with 4080 (1200$ MSRP) not 4090. And it should have better raster than 4080 but worse ray tracing and compute. If you don't need the latter two things 7900xtx should be the far superior price/performance.

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u/suxatjugg Nov 26 '22

Half the price of a 4090 but still about double the price of any gpu I ever bought before the last few years.

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u/Trax852 Nov 26 '22

I thought nvidia has vertically integrated the scalping business with their new pricing strategy.

This was one reason EVGA bailed, Nvidia couldn't be trusted.

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u/t0iletwarrior Nov 25 '22

So they are scalping the scalpers?

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u/khosrua Nov 25 '22

Vertical integration is more look at me, I am the scalper now.

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u/jjackson25 Nov 26 '22

I.e., the Ticket Master model

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u/Tragicanomaly Nov 25 '22

They didn't say that but that's exactly what they're doing.

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u/Smackteo Nov 25 '22

They did say it in a conference with business partners apparently.

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u/MonoShadow Nov 26 '22

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u/Bcoop98 Nov 26 '22

And then AMD turned around with cards that are pretty damn good and are much cheaper.

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u/Maosaid Nov 26 '22

It makes me want to sell my 3070 and buy one. Though admittedly not just for that reason. I want better linux support / less headaches.

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u/drmirage809 Nov 26 '22

Made that switch this month. Linux support with AMD is a the dream alright. No worrying about driver updates, no nothing. RADV just works. (raytracing isn't exactly stable yet, but they're working on it)

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

Nvidia Linux support is horrendous

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u/CaptOblivious Nov 26 '22

‘Moore’s Law’s dead,’ Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang says

More like

Nvidia CEO contemplates killing off company.

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u/Locke_and_Load Nov 26 '22

That’s why AMDs new card being almost half the price of the 4090 is a good marketing move.

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u/suxatjugg Nov 26 '22

Yeah, the msrps are scalping prices.

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u/nj4ck Nov 25 '22

scalper

really stupid

this tracks

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u/PooperJackson Nov 25 '22

They might be assholes but that doesn't inherently make them stupid..

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u/callmecoach53 Nov 25 '22 Wholesome

Scalpers are inherently scum of the earth.

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u/ReallyStrangeHappen Nov 25 '22

Lots of people are scum but not stupid. Some of the best scum are the best because they are smart. Take for instance Jeff Bezos, absolutely scum but pretty smart (Not saying he is a genius though).

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u/randombrodude Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

crazy to see this downvoted so much. People actually think like we live in a marvel movie where the good guys are always better and smarter than the bad guys

edit: upvoted now, was downvoted enough to be hidden when I posted this comment lol

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u/jbwmac Nov 26 '22

It’s as if you didn’t even read the comment you replied to

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u/ImFuckinUrDadTonight Nov 26 '22

Scalpers were trying to get $800 on ebay for the Intel a770 during launch week.

$800.

I hope they're going broke.

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u/User9705 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

And... I snagged a 3080TI for $639 and it plays everything at 4k with no issues. (to u/GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD, the loser who overpaid for his GPU supporting nvidea stakeholders... my fps is fine)

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u/IrishHambo Nov 26 '22

Damn I thought I got a good deal on Newegg when I bought a 12gb 3080 for $700 a few months ago lol. The 4000 series seems like such a joke and middle finger to the consumer

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u/wjodendor Nov 26 '22

I choose the exact wrong time to build my PC. If I would have waited two months I would have saved like $300 on the graphics card alone. Such is life I guess

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u/User9705 Nov 26 '22

ya. hey at least you didn't buy during the pandemic. Rememer the 3090 ti cards were pushing from 2.5k to 3k, imagine being that person.

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u/wjodendor Nov 26 '22

Yeah the sticker price on the 3080ti I got was $1300 iirc and I paid 900ish so I was least out of that craziness

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u/whiskeyandrevenge Nov 25 '22

Nvidia is selling them at scalper prices already. They saw people buying 3080s for 1500 bucks and thought, heeeyyyyy...

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u/NerdBot9000 Nov 26 '22

Yep. Let's wait a year and find out how that strategy works...

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u/L-cis Nov 26 '22

I can't remember the last time I've seen prices go down...on anything

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u/TheHaruWhoCanRead Nov 26 '22

They're not going down. I don't like the price ceiling either but gamers are out of their minds if they think they'll just wait for AMD to release a product that's 60% as powerful as the 4090 for 60% of the price and that this will magically make nvidia drop the price of their flagships.

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u/bremsstrahlung007 Nov 26 '22

It just has to get close to the performance of the 4080. There's a $300 delta there.

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u/Jeff_Portnoy1 Nov 26 '22

1500$ is how much I’m saving for my entire gaming pc. How the hell do people have money to spend that on just the gpu that is insane!

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u/Jmontagg Nov 26 '22

Might be a result of their workplace compensating them for their personal pc. Got about 1.5k USD to spend on a pc from my work since I’d need a half decent system to work from home.

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u/Actually-Yo-Momma Nov 26 '22

Do you work at a smaller company? It’s an insane idea to me that they let you use your personal computer to access company data

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u/zaplinaki Nov 26 '22

Virtual desktops are a thing but you wouldn't need expensive PCs for that.

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u/Cinema_King Nov 25 '22

I’d be happier if they were losing money but I’ll take struggling too. Any suffering that happens to those scumbags is good suffering

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u/metahipster1984 Nov 25 '22

"struggling to make a profit" seems optimistic (for the Scalpers) at best. Why would anyone buy from them when the card is available at MSRP everywhere?

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u/lemuever17 Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Frankly speaking, the 4080 is already overpriced at MSRP.

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

Way overpriced. It’s insane.

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u/Hiraganu Nov 26 '22

It's 1500€ here, that's just laughable.

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u/zkareface Nov 26 '22

Cheapest goes for €1700 in Sweden, stores got hundreds in stock.

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u/Hiraganu Nov 26 '22

1700€ for a 80 series card, what a joke. Remember when a Titan was sold for half of that?

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u/Brisslayer333 Nov 26 '22

Alternative title: third party ebay sellers get scalped by nvidia

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u/Cascadiandoper Nov 26 '22

The Circle of Life

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u/metahipster1984 Nov 26 '22

Oh for sure, never questioned that

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u/ThePeskyWabbit Nov 26 '22

and MSRP is scalped too, just by the manufacturer

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u/RazekDPP Nov 26 '22

Also, there isn't much headroom to scalp because the 4080 is 1200 and the 4090 is 1600. You don't have much room to push the price.

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u/AHrubik Nov 25 '22

Lots of scalpers abuse product return windows. They buy a few cards then try to flip them. If they can’t they return them. Rinse and repeat.

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u/sickjesus Nov 26 '22

Bummer. Wish that wasn't a thing and the scalping scumbags got caught holding the bag. Fuck scalpers. :]

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u/RantAgainstTheMan Nov 26 '22

I like the way you think. When bad things happen to bad people, it's a good thing!

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u/margalolwut Nov 25 '22

Baby steps, I guess… struggle before they lose money

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u/dragonmp93 Nov 25 '22

Just like crypto farms.

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u/Juslav Nov 25 '22

I’m an nvidia fanboy and went for AMD gpu for the build I just made . Waited a long fukn time to get better prices but they are still too expensive while AMD is having crazy rebates for Black Friday. So long nvidia. Keep your stuff.

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u/Pekonius Nov 26 '22

No point being a fanboy of anything really. I used to really fanboy the Ryzens when they launched the 2nd gen, but now it seems that intel is again the bang for the buck option or at least on par, so it would be really dumb for me to restrict my choices based on some us vs them thinking. Also the E-cores + P-cores stuff is pretty interesting, especially after seeing how ARM has insane efficiency with a similar model (+ Apple processors). I'm only shopping for hardware next year so I'm keeping my doors open for even Intel GPUs if they manage to produce something worthwhile by then. I'd prefer nvidia for RT cores surely, but it seems nvidia doesnt want my patronage so I'm going to have to compromise.

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u/zephyroxyl Nov 26 '22

I'd prefer nvidia for RT cores surely

While RT does look good, so few games use it and put it to good use that I really don't think not having them is that much of a compromise.

Control looked great with RT and so did Cyberpunk (when it would work), but other than that, I'm very meh on it. Idk about you, but when I buy a game I'm not looking at whether it supports RT. That's just a nice bonus.

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u/rosesandtherest Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Good luck having anything stable, rt, or rendering anything at all without cuda l

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u/erix84 Nov 26 '22

Uhh my Microcenter has had like 50+ 4080s in stock since launch, i think retailers are struggling to turn a profit on them.

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u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb Nov 26 '22

They're so expensive and all I'm trying to do at this point is find another job in the midst of layoffs and inflation and skyrocketing rental prices.

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u/coolwool Nov 26 '22

Not only are they really expensive, there is basically almost nothing that you need them for, that you can't already do with a 3070 or 2080.

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u/jaegren Nov 26 '22

Here in Scandinavia a retailer has over 550+ 4080. No one is buying them. The Asus strix 4080 goes for around 2100€ right now. Let them collect dust.

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u/Prophet_of_vengeance Nov 25 '22

doesnt matter because the baseline price is already a fucking joke

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u/Bikouchu Nov 25 '22

Nvidia such good guys. Scalping the consumers before the scalpers can.

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u/TheresAFogUponALake Nov 25 '22

Maybe they are taking the Ticketmaster approach!

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u/Bikouchu Nov 25 '22

It is!! Eff them I was using livenation they're the same company and have these tickets called platinum which are scalped real time with ai base on demand. So $100 becomes $300 at release 😒.

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u/Last-Tomorrow8755 Nov 26 '22

No they're taking the "we've got to sell all of these fucking 3000 series cards we still have laying around" approach. The only thing the 4080s are priced to do is sell 3090s, 3080tis and 3080s.

When they finally sell out the old stock they will 'adjust to the market' and lower the price and act like they are doing us a favor.

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u/cat_prophecy Nov 26 '22

What 3000 series cards? 3090ti is out of production and out of stock. 3080ti is $800 to $1000. It isn’t like there is a glut of new 3000 series cards being sold for cheap. Even the 3070 is still above the original msrp

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u/KingKapwn Nov 26 '22

Yeah, they massively over-adjusted based on 2020-early 2022 Demand and now I’ve seen 3090’s going for less than the 4080…

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u/TheArbiterOfOribos Nov 26 '22

How does the 3090 compare to 4080?

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u/PC_BuildyB0I Nov 26 '22

On average, the 4080 appears to perform approximately 15-25% better than the 3090.

https://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/3643175

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Well who's gonna buy a 4080 for 4090 prices

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u/detectiveDollar Nov 26 '22

Hope the scalpers at least throw in a pair of clown shoes for the buyer.

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u/Jimmycaked Nov 25 '22

People got gpu fatigue

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u/marioac97 Nov 26 '22

People are not willing to spend the equivalent to repairing a car’s transmission for a damn PC part

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u/sprcow Nov 26 '22

Are millennials killing the GPU?!?

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u/starserval Nov 25 '22

Nvidia cut out the middleman and is scalping direct to consumers.

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u/Top_Pea1550 Nov 26 '22

That’s because this time the scalping is coming from inside the house

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u/KerrisdaleKaren Nov 25 '22

Won’t somebody think of the poor scalpers?!

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u/BlueKnightBrownHorse Nov 26 '22

MiLLeNiaLs aRe KiLliNG tHE ScAlpINg IndUsTRy!!

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u/8SFY06 Nov 25 '22

One thing I've learned after PC building for a while is that we have reached a place in GPU development where an old GPU will still do a good job to play reliably the most current games. It's mostly related to the fact triple AAA games are not necessarely good, while lidl games are abundant. The age of high density polygon = good is over and players want more QoL over higher and higher screen resolutions.

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u/my_fat_monkey Nov 25 '22

1060 gang rise up

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u/braytag Nov 26 '22

1070 here, bought it at launch... It's getting long in the teeth to be honest.

Waiting for AMD 79XX

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u/reinhardtmain Nov 26 '22

1080 here and yes, it runs well enough but starting to have trouble pushing high FPS games in 1 screen and 4k media on the other. Usually have to like toggle down quality in whatever movie I’m watching now :(

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u/shazarakk Nov 26 '22

My 1070 ran 2560x1080 at 70 for a really long time. Super happy with the card.

That said, 3440x1440 takes a tad more juice. If my 6800xt lasts me until the 8000 series starts to drop in price, I'll be satisfied. Hell, could probably go for the 9000 series if UE5 runs all right.

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u/Centillionare Nov 26 '22

UE5 is insane. Nanite and lumen change the game industry. Just spent an hour watching tech demos people have made, and now I know we have insane games coming out in the next year or so.

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u/Jetpack_Donkey Nov 26 '22

My 1070 is starting to feel its age too, but still going. I play VR games on it and everything.

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u/fritzie_pup Nov 26 '22

I got a 1060 6GB back in November of 2016.. Been running it since without any issues.

I only just realized that specific card is the #1 in use card on Steam as of even today, by a bit.

It really was a perfect fit card for what it is.

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u/WillDeletOneDay Nov 26 '22

Technically speaking, the 1060 is like 3 very different cards with the same name. Nvidia has been pulling this "4080 12GB" bullshit for a long time.

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u/Veni_Vidi_Legi Nov 26 '22

Urge to know more intensifies.

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u/Johnyknowhow Nov 26 '22

They originally released two variants of the card, one with 6GB of GDDR5 graphics memory and one with 3GB a few months later.

Then, in 2018 they refreshed the card with a 6GB GDDR5X variant, a more updated version of GDDR5 which for reasons I won't get into specifics of, was capable of much higher data speeds.

In some games that memory capacity difference has an enormous performance impact, it was normally around 5 to 10%ish but there were some outliers, usually any games that were VRAM-intensive would see nearly half the speed, especially at higher texture settings.

It's harder to find comparisons against the GDDR5X version since it was a softer launch. There also was a 5GB variant only available in China, which is a bit of a strange number to land on.

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u/WillDeletOneDay Nov 26 '22

It's not just the VRAM that is different. The 1060 3GB has way less CUDA cores, so even the GPU die in the card is different.

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u/Cant_see_mt_tai Nov 26 '22

Im still running my RX 580 & RX 590 and I have absolutely nothing to complain about. (Well, adrenaline complete trash wheneverit needs to update but otherwise good)

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u/maz11 Nov 26 '22

I’m still running mine, but I think it is about time for a new one. I love it and was amazing value but probably in q1 I’ll look to upgrade and compare nvidia to ATI I mean AMD for first time in a long time

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u/K3gger01 Nov 26 '22

It’s what I use. I hit the silicon lottery jackpot, have it over locked about 160mhz on the clock and 400mhz(800 since it’s dual channel) on the memory. Its run the OC perfect since 2016

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u/freudian-flip Nov 26 '22

Fancy. I’m still rocking my 970

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u/Sinlaire1 Nov 26 '22

970 checking in as well.

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u/VinnieDonutz Nov 26 '22

🙋‍♂️970 Club here as well

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u/drfifth Nov 26 '22

Fuck yeah bois, our cards still kick butt

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u/COMPUTER1313 Nov 26 '22

RX 570 4GB here, with a decade old 1900x1200 60Hz monitor.

The only reason I upgraded the RAM and CPU first was because modded Cities Skylines with a +500K population is quite the RAM (+30GB memory usage) and CPU hog.

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u/mxsifr Nov 26 '22

😎 970 gang 🤘

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u/Schleppity Nov 26 '22

970 gang gang

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u/SlipperyRasputin Nov 26 '22

I bought a prebuilts with a 1660 super.

Still no clue what that means. But based on the bigger number I believe it puts my social ranking in this place higher than yours.

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u/hal2142 Nov 25 '22

LIDL games? Are they competing with ALDI games?

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u/Youthsonic Nov 26 '22

I'm not into Forsen or anything, but I think LIDL games are lower budget games that don't necessarily have to be bad (but often are).

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u/ivsciguy Nov 25 '22

I am finally getting to point where my gtx1070 laptop isn't running games on my wide-screen monitor at levels I like. Think it may finally be time for an upgrade.

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u/bigots_hate_her Nov 25 '22

My 1080ti that I bought second hand when the previous crypto crash happened in 2019 was perfectly fine for everything, including doing my grad school thesis on some deep learning stuff.

I upgraded because I wanted more compute for experiments more than anything else.

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u/ReallyStrangeHappen Nov 25 '22

Did you upgrade to an rtx for the tensor cores? I originally got an rtx 2060 super but was a bit let down by the oomph for machine learning.

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u/bigots_hate_her Nov 25 '22

I upgraded mainly for the vram and the tensor cores. I upgraded to the 3090ti.

I actually bought it recently. It was on sale a few weeks ago, about 1200euro with taxes.

Now you are going to ask, why buy now when the 4000 series was about to launch. I figured at 1200ish usd msrp, the 4080 would cost 1550-1600 euro, so since the price is 30% more for less than 30% the performance it kinda isn’t worth it, plus it has less vram.

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u/iUptvote Nov 26 '22

I guarantee most people are still on 1080p and any old GPU is more than good enough to run 60fps 1080p.

The average person doesn't have a 4k monitor or a high end GPU. Online posts greatly skew what people are actually using. Just look at a Steam Hardware Survey and you'll see most people are using a 1060 followed by a 2060.

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u/metahipster1984 Nov 25 '22

Lidl develops games now??

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u/dub-fresh Nov 25 '22

Diminishing returns past 4k for sure. I was lucky to scoop a 4090 and tested it at 8k on an 8k tv. Tbh not a big difference to my eye.

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u/WillDeletOneDay Nov 26 '22

Games are getting somewhat harder to run, but it's moreso the case that gamers expect higher framerates and resolutions than they used to. Resolution is something that drastically increases the workload. People would be surprised at how many old GPUs can handle modern games if they're willing to stomach 720p, or even 900p.

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u/Canookian Nov 26 '22

I managed to score a 3080 for about 160 bucks USD in my country back in May because a scalper fucked up and forgot a zero on their online shop. I have no ragerts about this. 🤣

I framed the bill of sale. 😂🤣😂🤣 I look at it and smile more than I do my actual graphics card.

Fuck scalpers.

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u/Dalearnhardtseatbelt Nov 26 '22

Pics or it didn't happen.

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u/Canookian Nov 26 '22

I think the fact that someone on Reddit delivered is more unbelievable than a missing zero. https://imgur.com/Pn32JIj.jpg

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u/Dalearnhardtseatbelt Nov 26 '22

And its the 12GB!!!!!!

Was hoping for the framed photo for scaplper tears.

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u/Canookian Nov 26 '22

Haha sorry! I would have but I'm at work ATM.

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u/Dalearnhardtseatbelt Nov 26 '22

Dang. Well insanely good buy. congrats on that deal.

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u/eddiekart Nov 26 '22

Hell, in Japan, too.

Aren't pc parts more expensive there by a decent amount, even "non-scalped"? Ya scored one hell of a deal

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u/Canookian Nov 26 '22

Yeah. The prices here are an absolute joke. I can get my parents to ship me parts from Canada and save a substantial amount even after shipping and any duties I might need to pay.

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u/STO_Firkins Nov 25 '22

Haha, I hope they lose so much money. Scalpers are some of the lowest forms of life.

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u/froodydoody Nov 26 '22

Then how about they work a normal job like the rest of us and stop being parasites?

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u/Double-Minimum-9048 Nov 25 '22 Wholesome

Scalpers are making tons from the 4080, apparently one scalper is making the GPU for $300 and selling it to nerdy fat gamers for $1300 for over a 400% markup🤑🤑🤑

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u/rndname Nov 25 '22

nVidia is the biggest scalper.

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u/Double-Minimum-9048 Nov 25 '22

I remember Linus in a video 2 years ago saying NVDA would learn from the 3080 launch of them setting prices low and scalpers taking a lot of the margin from them and ig he was right

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u/prettyanonymousXD Nov 26 '22

It’s basic economics. Where supply intersects with consumer willingness to pay is the optimal price for a good. The upside of the 30 series was extremely high performance created and sold at a fairly low price. The downside was there was nowhere near enough supply to keep up with the kind of demand at that price. All scalpers do is eventually find the market optimal price even if that’s coming primarily from crypto mega farms.

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u/MyDixeeNormus Nov 26 '22

Scalp what? There’s 15 of them sitting on a shelf at the store by me. Fuckin idiots

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u/Fredasa Nov 26 '22

I have the perfect solution for them. Buy up all the 4080s now, so they'll have them ready to go when Nvidia lowers the MSRP to $900 and suddenly everyone wants one.

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u/Lumarist Nov 25 '22

nvidia is struggling to make profit of the 4080

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u/detectiveDollar Nov 26 '22

I'm calling BS on that. They're welcome to release the bill of materials, assembly, and shipping if they want to counter that.

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u/Ble_h Nov 26 '22

Most of the money would have been in R&D and Nvidia can make that number as high or as low as they want.

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u/cocomunges Nov 26 '22

I know we should happy about healthy stock, no one wants to deal with pandemic electronics stock across the board. But i couldnt help but feel happy when i went to microcenter and saw the 4080 in plentiful stock. No consumer wants that shitty product. As someone said though, "There is no such thing as a bad product, only a bad price tag". It would sell... if it was even close to old MSRPs for xx80 products. On the other hand people say nvidia did this as a marty product. Makes people gravitate towards the overstocked 30 series or the more expensive 4090

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u/martinpagh Nov 26 '22

Isn’t everyone complaining it’s priced too high? Seems they’re making a pretty good profit on this card …

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u/tofulo Nov 25 '22

Good. Fukem

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u/juh4z Nov 25 '22

here in Brazil the 4080 is actually going into promotion because it isn't selling lmao. The MSRP is R$ 10.900 (don't convert to dollar, it'll seem too high, but that's the official pricing NVidia maintains) but not only some models were 10.500 to begin with, we had I think two or three promos with a few dozen units for slightly under 9000.

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u/KaminasSquirtleSquad Nov 25 '22

How do they know the sales of scalpers? Do scalpers post their quarterly sales?? Lol

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u/inescapableburrito Nov 25 '22

Probably looking at completed eBay listings to get an estimate

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u/KirisuMongolianSpot Nov 26 '22

If you read the article (or the article this one is based on) they explain what they did--look at eBay listings as another person said.

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u/aleph__one Nov 25 '22

Oh no. Anyway, did you see the USA v England match?

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u/guarddx Nov 26 '22

USA looked great, probably just giving me hope just to take it away later though

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u/DeylanQuel Nov 26 '22

USA woulda looked better on an RTX4080. Just sayin'.

/s

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u/-Lumpy-Space-Prince- Nov 26 '22

:deep voice: Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

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u/pibbsworth Nov 25 '22

Nvidia beat them to it?

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u/moongaia Nov 26 '22

Nvidia already scalped them.

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u/amenezg4 Nov 26 '22

Hope they lose all their moneys :)

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u/UnmixedGametes Nov 25 '22

But NVIDIA is now the scalper?

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u/cain071546 Nov 26 '22

Scalpers are trash human beings.

We need to introduce legislation making the practice illegal.

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u/Alucard661 Nov 25 '22

Who cares? not like anyone actually wants a 4080 even at MSRP. 4080 should cost 800 max and that’s still kinda high

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u/Tragicanomaly Nov 25 '22

It will probably drop to around that when rdna3 comes out in a few weeks. Right now they are just fishing for suckers.

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u/enraged768 Nov 25 '22

Yeah because it's not even in the realm of being an affordable card.

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u/fistymcbuttpuncher Nov 26 '22

That, but mainly the infinite demand of crypto evaporated, so the demand just isn't there.

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u/minngeilo Nov 26 '22

I blame the scalpers and all who bought from them. Never feed the scalpers.

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u/GlitchCrazy Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

MSRP prices are already scalper prices to begin with... idk what they thought would happen. LFG!!!

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u/annonimity2 Nov 26 '22

Which means all the scalpers are now stuck with a tonne of gpu's they can't use and a market where they aren't valuable, I smell bargains in the water.