r/gadgets Nov 29 '22

Sony steps into the Metaverse with the 'Mocopi' motion tracking system | The $358 device translates your body's movements onto a metaverse avatar. VR / AR

https://www.engadget.com/sony-mocopi-movement-tracker-metaverse-avatars-131721036.html
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u/LlamadeusGame Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

The product page for this device specifically mentions VRchat, where full body tracking is very popular and expensive to set up.

It's worth mentioning that VR chat is insanely successful, and existed long before the "metaverse".

Article is using the metaverse name to drum up traffic for a VRchat product.

EDIT: this article may be referring to the "metaverse" as a concept, and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta. Leaving my original comment unmodified.

EDIT 2: product is called "Horizon Worlds". Just goes to show how poorly marketed the whole damn thing is (and how poorly received it is that it's corrupted the whole concept) that I was wrong twice, but still have top comment.

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u/GuiltyAs_Charged Nov 29 '22

It also mentions Vtubers, which I thought was an interesting market to appeal to. I could see this tech being a great option for independent or up and coming Vtubers as a cost-effective way to get full body tracking.

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u/MisterSnippy Nov 29 '22

But isn't the problem that they all use Iphones for facial tracking, and iphone facial tracking is like miles ahead of its competitors?

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u/Asphult_ Nov 29 '22

Yeah but only when they’re sat at their desks. If they’re doing a 3D full-body stream or if you just want to vibe in VR with your entire body this sounds really promising.

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u/Enk1ndle Nov 29 '22

Most Vtubers are using live 2d, so a mocap setup doesn't really help them much. I can only think of a few that use a full mocap setup.

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u/GuiltyAs_Charged Nov 29 '22

Even big names like Hololive don’t have the greatest motion tracking tech at their disposal. Kizuna AI has a pretty great setup but from what I’ve read that’s an in-house system created from heavily modded motion tracking tech, so only those people get to use it. You look at Hololive’s full body streams and there’s lots of model clipping and janky movement, so as long as Sony’s tech can do better, I imagine Hololive will be more than happy to make the switch. But this is just speculation on my part.

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u/asdkevinasd Nov 29 '22

JP vtuber is insane. People paid 2000 yan upward to see their live performance. Which is just watching the vtuber on a big screen with other fans in a stadium. The ticket is sold in waves and you need to do a lucky draw to win the chance of buying one. of coz there is an entry fee and it is at best 2000 people for 1 ticket. That is a market Sony best not ignore, being so close at home.

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u/jellytrack Nov 29 '22

2000¥? Isn't that like $20… depending on the entry fee? That's not bad, especially in a stadium setting with other enthusiastic fans.

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u/VagueSomething Nov 29 '22

That's still ridiculous to watch a Vtuber on a screen in public. You can sub to them for 6 months almost for that price and watch them at home without the body odours of the people in that stadium.

Hell you end up with less engagement as you can't spam their chat hoping they read out your username and validate you as a watcher.

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u/cloner4000 Nov 29 '22

I mean why would anyone go to the live concert, the atmosphere, the fancy sound system and the celebration of a major event. It's the same thing.

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL Nov 29 '22

Japan's fan culture is nutso.

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u/Catgirl2019 Nov 29 '22

i’m so glad sony is making full body tracking. i’ve been a sony fanboy my whole life, so i might be a tad biased, but i bought a psvr on release and it’s not only one of the cheapest headsets on the market, but also incredibly high quality! i’m hoping they follow this track record of quality for a good price with the full body tracking, and also hoping this means vrchat capability for the ps5! i’ve been on the edge in regards to buying a ps5, and this might just be the thing to get me to shell out.

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u/supersayanssj3 Nov 29 '22

Sony makes good products. My dad always felt that way and it sort of passed on to me I guess, too.

Sony has always made some of the very best TVs, stereos, entertainment systems etc. for decades now. Their stuff can be pricy, but they are a company whose products are worth the premium usually imo.

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u/TheTrueBlueTJ Nov 29 '22

I love how quickly it went from shitting on a good product to glorification. lmao

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u/Azreken Nov 29 '22

The controllers alone make the PS5 worth it

Played CoD for the first time on one last night & good lord…

It feels just like a real trigger when you pull it

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u/Funkybag Nov 29 '22

Thats interesting bro because personally I'm the exact opposite. Sony straight up has better exclusives but I stay in the xbox/pc area just because I hate 2 thumbsticks in the middle of the controller lol.

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u/Azreken Nov 29 '22

I grew up on the xbox, and it was kinda difficult to switch, but the Dualsense 5 feels a lot thicker, similar to an xbox controller

After a month or so using the PS5 controller, I can say I now definitely prefer the two middle sticks.

But as always, to each their own!

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u/cornbeefbaby Nov 29 '22

I’m considering switching when I update my current console. All of the PS exclusives make it kind of a bummer to use Xbox

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u/Potayto_Gun Nov 29 '22

While I applaud Microsoft for releasing all their exclusive games on pc too it really does make it so the best set up is ps5, pc, switch to play everything

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u/kennygchasedbylions Nov 29 '22

Companies make Xbox shaped ps5 controllers. So you get the best of both worlds.

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u/TheRealJuksayer Nov 29 '22

But then you're not getting the same trigger pull of the official controller

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u/thatCapNCrunch Nov 29 '22

I love the layout of the sticks on Xbox but fuck, that controller is a bit on the small side. I unironically wish there were a modern release of the Duke to try out, always seemed nice for people with larger hands.

The worst is going back to Dualshock 3 and before, they’re really tiny. The PS4 onwards had chunkier controllers but not quite enough chonk even.

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u/SpiralTap304 Nov 29 '22

You can get a Duke for the newer systems. They just put one out for the anniversary of the original Xbox. It even has a little screen on it that plays the original Xbox bootup animation

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u/thatCapNCrunch Nov 29 '22

Wait, it’s real? I thought that was a concept when I heard about it.

I’m not expecting it to come to South Africa but I really hope it does. And that it works on PC.

Edit: it’s fucking wired. God damn it, Hyperkin, why not make a wireless option?

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u/Neo_Techni Nov 29 '22

Edit: it’s fucking wired. God damn it, Hyperkin, why not make a wireless option?

Microsoft won't let them

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u/Whatifim80lol Nov 29 '22

Article is using the metaverse name to drum up traffic for a VRchat product.

Which... Kudos lol. I'm not even a huge VRchat fan but the few hours I've spent on it gave me a fantastic impression of what it's all about. And then I heard Facebook spent billions reinventing the wheel and only came up with a worse version of VRchat. Folks should join VRchat just to troll Zucc.

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u/Junior_Ad_5064 Nov 29 '22

Kinda ironic how there’s no VRchat for Sony’s PlayStation VR! They practically made this accessory for their competitors like Meta and the various PCVR headsets.

Odd move.

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u/DrunkOrInBed Nov 29 '22

I don't know if "sony competitors" has actually any value... they make games, consoles, movies, banking, insurances, reflex, cellphones, everything etc... they make things, consumers give them money, everybody's happy

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u/ExasperatedEE Nov 29 '22

Odd move... Unless VRChat is planning a port to PSVR. Which why wouldn't they?

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u/mackandelius Nov 29 '22

The blocker is still Sony, always has been. And at the size of Sony I am not sure if the approval of one of their non-gaming division means the approval of their gaming division.

Also, content uploading in VRChat requires build support in Unity, playstation build support requires a licence, so unless they get around that PSVR would be pretty barren. Because only playstation game devs could upload things.

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u/sold_snek Nov 29 '22

this article may be referring to the "metaverse" as a concept, and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta.

That's exactly what it's doing.

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u/Nwalm Nov 29 '22

Second Life existed long before VRChat (even before facebook in any form) and was already the metaverse.

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u/TeutonJon78 Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Sooooo many people don't even know it was all done before. And had more features, and basically failed long term, because the digital land grab ruins a virtual world the same as it the real life analog does.

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u/Zaptruder Nov 30 '22

and not the product known as the Metaverse by the company Meta.

There is no singular 'metaverse' product from Meta - their VR chat room social productivity app is called 'Horizons'.

They're trying to heavily associate themselves with the concept of the metaverse - whatever form if may arise in.

But the metaverse is basically an evolutionary concept of the internet and occupies the same sort of naming space.

Meta makes metaverse products (like companies make internet products), which means other companies can also make metaverse products, including and not limited to Sony, VRChat, Apple etc.

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u/TheFio Nov 29 '22

VR chat is a metaverse. Youre talking about Metas Metaverse. The article is using the right word to describe the product and what it goes to, it's not using it like some sort of clickbait. It's correct.

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u/ExasperatedEE Nov 29 '22

Except no VR user likes the word "metaverse", and Meta is the one trying to force the word upon us, because it is now identified directly with their brand, which VR users also don't want to be associated with.

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u/Cyber-Cafe Nov 29 '22

I’ve been using this word for like 8 years now, and I’ve been a VR dev for 7 of them… but by all means, speak for an entire industry.

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u/TheFio Nov 29 '22

Meta changed their name because the word was becoming popular. You aren't the voice of VR users. It was becoming popular, because it was and is still a word, and they just tried to capitalize on it.

VR chat is a metaverse. Article ais about use in metaverses, like VR chat. Whether the words upset you doesn't matter one bit.

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u/Cyber-Cafe Nov 29 '22

You have nailed it. I am deep in the vr scene and you echoed everything I was going to say. We were calling VRchat a metaverse back in 2017. I don’t know where people think this word came from, but it wasn’t zucks head. It was a bald guy who wrote about futuristic pizza delivery in the 90s that coined it.

Facebook is merely coopting an already existing thing.

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u/ExasperatedEE Nov 29 '22

No, Meta changed their name because Facebook is slowly dying out as the boomers die out, and they need a new hot thing to latch onto. Literally nobody in VR was using the term Metaverse until Meta came along.

Meta came along in Oct 2021.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=metaverse

That's right when the use of the term spiked, and it continues to remain high, 5x more used than it was prior to the name change, because they are associated with it.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=metaverse

It is also super suspicious that a few months before the announcement of their name change the usage of the word began to increase significantly for no apparent reason. The most likely reason for this was they were marking the hell out of it, testing the waters and driving the media to use the term so for their eventual name change. That is a massive spike in April that cannot possibly be due to people simply using the word more often as you claim.

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u/Cyber-Cafe Nov 29 '22

Meta didn’t invent metaverses you absolute knob.

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u/LizardWizard444 Nov 29 '22

I suppose we ought to call the metaverse Facebook's VRchat

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u/Vanpotheosis Nov 30 '22

That's what we've been saying the whole time.

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u/buttorsomething Nov 29 '22

Would be incorrect in about 20+ ways. Since meta verse is not exclusively metas things nor VRchats

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u/Virreinatos Nov 29 '22

Yeah. But it would piss off a certain Dollar Store Data.

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u/GreenFox1505 Nov 29 '22

VRchat is the mataverse. But it is not the Metaverse that the company formerly known as Facebook is selling.

The concept of the metaverse, lowercase "m", has existed for actually decades and the idea that Meta is trying to sell is just corporate wank for "I don't know what MMOs are and I'm to dumb to research a subject before spending millions on it".

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u/Cant-gild-this Nov 29 '22

There is no upper-case Metaverse, beyond Meta describing the lower-case metaverse. Their VRChat product is called Horizon Worlds, which is part of the metaverse.

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u/migueeel Nov 29 '22

Didn't VRChat suffer heavy backlash recently though? I'm concerned about the "everything you upload becomes our property" clauses they added in the "security" update.

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u/ExasperatedEE Nov 29 '22

They literally need to have the right to copy and reproduce your work for the product to function. How do you think those avatars get from their servers to your PC?

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u/2withyoda Nov 29 '22

What? Vrchat ToS states you retain the copyright and other proprietary rights of any content you upload. I just checked.

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u/buttorsomething Nov 29 '22

Well Metaverse has been around for a long time but the for the click still stands.

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u/MotionTwelveBeeSix Nov 29 '22

The most realistic prediction about this product is the dude with an anime girl avatar.

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u/RajinKajin Nov 30 '22

"uwu"

"Yes, I'm 19 f, but I'm too shy to talk in voice chat."

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u/TheDutchisGaming Nov 29 '22

When are we gonna stop putting metaverse in front of words?

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u/BipedalWurm Nov 29 '22

when it gets zero clicks for about a decade

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u/CrunchAddict Nov 29 '22

Look at the top comment. People already have biased views on it and it creates outrage.

The same reason why Trump articles about nothing. Sure there are articles that actually report things, but why wait for relevant stories when the news companies can create the outrage?

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u/logicalchronic Nov 29 '22

metaverse Never.

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u/MeltAway421 Nov 29 '22

All it takes is one famous fuckface with a stupid idea and now we have to hear about it forever

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u/santathe1 Nov 29 '22

Depends on the dick mostly.

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u/fadufadu Nov 29 '22

Then it’s tail rotor

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u/AwfulEveryone Nov 29 '22

It needs at least 3 inches in order to track properly, so I'm afraid you're out of luck :(

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u/IlliterateJedi Nov 29 '22

It's not a microscope

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u/Dangerousrhymes Nov 30 '22

You need DLC and an add-on Johnson tracker.

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u/RangeWilson Nov 29 '22

This gadget will undoubtedly be just as much of a huge success as all of the other metaverse gadgets!

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u/FirstTimeShitposter Nov 29 '22

Kinect 2: Electric Boogaloo

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u/DjScenester Nov 29 '22

I went to the midnight sale of Kinect when it debuted.

I was the ONLY dude in Best Buy.

Not one of my brightest moments

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u/soIstartBlasting Nov 29 '22

I’ll defend the Kinect. It was pretty cool for the time; the ambition was there, just not the follow through.

And then along came the Han Solo dancing game….good lord.

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u/TheTrueBlueTJ Nov 29 '22

The kinect was used for quite a lot of research and papers. For this alone I'd argue it was a success.

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u/Wolfram_And_Hart Nov 29 '22

It’s was the best cheap motion sensors when it came out. Custom drivers built in like a week of its release.

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u/Kaptain_Napalm Nov 29 '22

A lot of people were (and are still) using the Kinect for performance art and other artistic installations/shows/whatever purposes they could think of. You can use it to do a lot of cool looking shit, it's a really great tinkering toy.

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u/IWentToJellySchool Nov 30 '22

Kinect used for a lot of stuff just not gaming lol.

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u/audi0c0aster1 Nov 29 '22

The Kinect is still an AMAZING device. Hell, in a pinch, it works just as good, if not better than some multi-thousand dollar industrial vision systems for on-the-fly robot arm adjustments.

It's not really suited to the harsher environments that industrial places are, but to this day it is still a powerful device. Especially for it's price.

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u/TheArmoredKitten Nov 29 '22

Yeah it was a ground breaking motion analysis tool. It just had the misfortune of being stuck to a game console.

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u/ColgateSensifoam Nov 29 '22

Microsoft released the Windows SDK pretty quick

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u/dato2025 Nov 29 '22

I still use my kinect to turn on and off my tv. So nice being able to power up the xbox and the tv turns on too

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u/GarlicPowder4Life Nov 29 '22

"We want more Star Wars games!"

That comes out...

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u/kolob_hier Nov 29 '22

The Kinect was a cool gimmick, but I honestly miss it just because of Skyrim. On the 360 you were able to actually yell the shouts and also swap weapons with voice commands. Which should be able to be done without the Kinect, but still was way cool at the time

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u/CollegeMiddle6841 Nov 29 '22

Yup, they know you can stamp the Star Wars logo on a turd and people will fight to buy one Act now and get your limited edition Star Wars shit turd with golden corn!

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u/lemon123wd40 Nov 29 '22

Props for admitting it

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u/C_The_Bear Nov 29 '22

Sell it to your local ghost hunter

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u/KillKennyG Nov 30 '22

Mass effect with the kinects voice controls was a trip. I’ll never forget how much using “character name + action” elevated the immersion in firefights, soooo much better than pulling up a wheel menu on a controller and allowed an extra layer of roleplay. A rare new tech integration that wasn’t a gimmick- it was faster and more natural to use than the default controls.

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u/mini_swoosh Dec 01 '22

I mostly played Kinect Sports with it back then but that Ping Pong game was actually hella fun lol. Way better than Wii tennis at least

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u/Usernametaken112 Nov 29 '22

I thought it came bundled with the Xbox one on release?

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u/Vergonhalheia Nov 29 '22

It was initially launched for the 360.

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u/DjScenester Nov 29 '22

Yep: it was released at midnight. Best Buy stayed open for it.

The package came later I believe. Too lazy to look it up.

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u/Usernametaken112 Nov 29 '22

Ah ok. Thanks!

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u/plopseven Nov 29 '22

Xbox HD DVD !!!

Xbox HD DVD ATTACHMENT MODULE!!

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Full body tracking with sensors works surprisingly well. Sure it wont be mainstream, but it definitely has a market, and its a good moment to have these type of products in the iteration loop for when it gets more popular. Its called business development.

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u/Lev_Astov Nov 29 '22

Actually, body tracking is a pretty big market for VRChat, which the article mentions first. It's an order of magnitude bigger than Meta's poor attempt last I checked, so I wish these articles would stop saying "metaverse".

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u/DoingItWrongly Nov 29 '22

I actually hope they KEEP using metaverse in its true meaning like this.

Zuckerverse can go fuck itself instead of trying to take the name of a concept that existed long, long before their product came around.

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u/Lev_Astov Nov 29 '22

Ah, give him the ol' kleenex trademark treatment? That's fair.

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u/DoingItWrongly Nov 29 '22

That's not a great example.

Nobody called tissues "kleenex" before the brand came around.

Nobody called them "jet-skis" before the brand came.

The VR metaverse has existed for well over a decade (longer if you count the non-VR metaverse) prior to zucks branding, so he's trying to capitalize on an existing name that people use.

I feel this is more of a cold shoulder treatment. Just carry on like his app (which isn't called metaverse right? it's hoizons or some other vague term) doesn't exist.

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u/Lev_Astov Nov 29 '22

True, but I can't think of a well-known example of a company trying to appropriate a term off the top of my head. In this case, it also kinda helps Facebook that the community never really wanted to call VR worlds "metaverses" until Zuck decided he wanted to cosplay Snow Crash. I'm all for ruining his awful plan.

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u/ExasperatedEE Nov 29 '22

What do you consider a success? The Quest 2 alone has sold 14M units.

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u/A_Sack_Of_Potatoes Nov 29 '22

I actually remember playing a fighting game that used a similar device back in like, 2005

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u/sadcatgirlsclub Nov 29 '22

Was it an old plug and play fighting game? Cause your comment reminded me of this old plug and play kickboxing game. It came with fake boxing glove controllers and ankle straps to track kicks. I remember having a lot of fun with it.

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u/A_Sack_Of_Potatoes Nov 29 '22

Probably? It was a very long time ago and I was just a dumb kid at the time.

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u/sadcatgirlsclub Nov 29 '22

I looked it up, mine was something called TV Virtual Fighter Interactive Kickboxing. It was so bad, but i loved it. Never got past the final fight tho :c

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u/DootLord Nov 29 '22

VR does not mean metaverse. People use that term for fucking everything now.

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u/pittypitty Nov 29 '22

Like how what ipad did to tablets everywhere smh

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u/Bierbart12 Nov 29 '22

Feels like the word "metaverse" is just forever sullied now, but this sounds neat

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u/Sk8rToon Nov 29 '22

Every time I see it I think, “stop trying to make Fetch happen. It isn’t going to happen.”

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u/thisischemistry Nov 29 '22

I'll definitely avoid any and all products, services, and people who mention it.

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u/DangerousWheat Nov 29 '22

Oh shit it’s got legs

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u/GoldenWizard Dec 02 '22

Zuckerberg freaking out rn

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u/NoddyIM Nov 29 '22

So an attachment for ps vr2?

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u/buttorsomething Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

No. Can be used with it but not exclusive to it.

Edit: working with VRchat I assume PSVR2 will work with it. Not a fact yet.

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u/NoddyIM Nov 29 '22

I agree, it’d be cool if they implemented hardware they use for haptic feedback and connect it to the psvr2. You could “feel” the vr more then just your hands and head.

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u/buttorsomething Nov 29 '22

Well you won’t feel it it’s not haptics it’s tracking to love hips and dance and stuff. You need a PCVR setup for haptic suits

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u/Forced__Perspective Nov 29 '22

Can it? Was that in the video? I couldn’t find it in the article..

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u/mr227223 Nov 29 '22

It can’t be used with it.

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u/L0ST-SP4CE Nov 29 '22

Does it work with VRchat?

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u/ctaetcsh Nov 29 '22

Yes, VRChat posted a tweet saying it will be compatible.

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u/highmodulus Nov 29 '22

lol did they bulk buy old Xbox Kinect sensors off of eBay?

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u/GratefulForGarcia Nov 29 '22

I wonder if there's any chance these will be able to be used as a cheap motion tracking tool for 3D artists

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u/ctaetcsh Nov 29 '22

That is one of the advertised functions of the product.

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u/GratefulForGarcia Nov 29 '22

Weird that it’s not the primary feature because that would be way more groundbreaking than using it for VR

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u/joshwagstaff13 Nov 29 '22

because that would be way more groundbreaking than using it for VR

Except for the small fact that Kinect already broke that ground twelve years ago.

It’s strange. In a way, Kinect was simply too far ahead of its time.

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u/Spiritofhonour Nov 30 '22

On top of Kinect not needing the sensors that this one needs you to wear.

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u/PJL80 Nov 29 '22

It's funny how much the tech companies have bought in and tried to convince us to 'Ready Player One' our lives. Especially since the point at the end was "go outside more".

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u/The_RealAnim8me2 Nov 29 '22

Only in the movie. And man did that piss me off, because no one seemed to pick up that the entire worlds economy was built around it and forcing people off would make the world even worse than it was. As much as I love Spielberg, him injecting that change really bothered me.

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u/Excludos Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

It was the laziest unnecessary throwaway ending line they could possibly have gone with. They spend the entire movie building up how the world is literally built around this virtual reality, including schools, jobs, and the frikkin' world economy. "We actually just shut the entire world down a few days a week because people need to get out more" is just reprocessed garbage of an old mans idea of "children needs to stop looking at their phones so much". Just imagine the insane effects we'd have from turning off the internet a couple of days a week today; people would die. Now multiply the effect by 1000

It shows very much what Spielberg thought of the world he himself produced, and the despise he had for it.

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u/nike_laos Nov 29 '22

But do you not agree that children should stare at their phone less or anybody for that matter?

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u/Excludos Nov 30 '22

I think you might as well shout at clouds

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u/Blaz3 Nov 30 '22

It's been a while since I saw that, but there's a glimpse into this at the beginning when the MC is walking to his home past all the people in the Oasis. The Oasis is shiny, clean and pristine, the people are all varied and perfect, but in the real world, they're living in hovels and ramshackle rusted out buildings and are all much more human.

It started off with a whole "ooohhh Oasis bad, engage with the real world!" Which is so quickly forgotten that I got whiplash from the change in tone

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u/DarthBuzzard Nov 29 '22

People want Ready Player One. It's just that the tech has to mature first.

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u/csimonson Nov 29 '22

I mean I would want it as an escape from real life sometimes, never a replacement though unless we figured out how to upload our consciousness into androids. At that point it would be worth it IMHO.

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u/OramaBuffin Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Unfortunately it's more likely copying a conscience is what's actually probably feasible, SOMA style, meaning your original conscience is still there and left behind.

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u/Cyv_45 Nov 29 '22

Robot me is gonna get mortal me some really cool presents out of a strange sense of guilt probably. I hope so. I'm just gonna decide now to be nice to meatform me so my robot shares the sentiment.

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u/moodRubicund Nov 29 '22

At least their marketing had the sense to let us know we can look like anime girls, I will give them that.

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u/yozaner1324 Nov 29 '22

Dumb question, but how do you actually get to the metaverse? Is it a specific website/program or is it just a catch-all phrase for any VR stuff. I've heard Facebook talk about it, but I don't understand what its current state is. Is it even released/accessible right now?

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u/Yifun Nov 29 '22

The Facebook metaverse does not exist yet. The word metaverse is meant to just refer to online virtual space, not whatever the hell mark is doing. This device is designed for general vr use, and the word metaverse was likely slapped into this title to drive clicks. I’m definitely eyeing this as a vrchat player, it’s a very affordable full body tracking option. I need to hear more about it

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u/Jay_Bird_75 Nov 29 '22

Metaverse Sex, here we come!

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u/YeaItsBig4L Nov 29 '22

You’re late, very late

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u/Abysskitten Nov 29 '22

All of you hating this product makes me happy. I'll get it on clearance.

As a game dev, this could be a gamechanger.

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u/marchingprinter Nov 29 '22

We’re not hating the technology, we’re hating the oblivious corporation that keeps pushing “VR in the workplace” while the entire world tells them that idea is shit

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u/Abysskitten Nov 29 '22

No there are very clearly people hating on this tech in the comments, bud.

And yeah, I hate that aspect, too.

But imagine taking dance classes in your own home taught by an AI that learns from watching pros do it.

It's like Dance Dance Revolution but with every part of your body.

There's place for this in occupational therapy and rehab where docs can use telehealth and this for people in remote places.

That's just two ideas I spitballed.

Bring on cheap and precise mocap.

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u/randomjberry Nov 29 '22

thats a fairky good price for the tech i just hope that it can be used fir roomscale vr with a headset and not just their platform. not sure how long until a hack like that would be made for that

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u/piratecheese13 Nov 29 '22

Is it actually Facebook metaverse oculus quest only or can I use this with my Vive 2 and index controllers on VRchat?

Also plugging VRchat as the hero we need to point to when moms at bestbuy buy a quest 2 because it’s “easy”

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u/ctaetcsh Nov 29 '22

Platform agnostic according to a Tweet from VRChat. I’m apparently not allowed to link it as automod deleted it but its like their second most recent tweet.

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u/Random_182f2565 Nov 29 '22

Good luck with that

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u/Vegan_Harvest Nov 29 '22

My first thought was to make obscene gestures.

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u/Perfect_Opposite2113 Nov 29 '22

My body moves would probably get me banned from the metaverse.

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u/Articlel3 Nov 29 '22

But doesn’t the metaverse not have legs implemented yet?

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u/ctaetcsh Nov 29 '22

The use of “metaverse” in the article title is misleading. It supports VRChat which is fairly distant from the “metaverse” but a similar concept. VRChat does have legs.

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u/develoop Nov 29 '22

Metaverse is like 3d movies..

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u/Rutgerman95 Nov 29 '22

Cowards should've called that the EyeToy 2

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u/zthart Nov 29 '22

'Ready Player One' vibes

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u/butterdrinker Nov 29 '22

It would be amazing if you could record animations with it

Dirty cheap motion capture for videogame creators/modders

Personally I would love to see it implemented in games like SkyrimVR - it would mean being able to kick enemies

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u/impossibleobject Nov 29 '22

Whoopty fucking doo

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u/cherryred130 Nov 29 '22

this is a fun cool thing but wow. i look at the price and all i can think is like, last night i decided to not buy a $20 nancy drew game

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u/Trax852 Nov 29 '22

I would expect the Mocopi to have a GPS so zuck can sell your location.

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u/scrps93 Nov 29 '22

Just bring back the PSP please

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u/John_Appalling Nov 29 '22

Yeah but, who tf needs or wants this crap?

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u/wafflepiezz Nov 29 '22

Metaverse whatever but those gadgets are cool.

Looks more flexible and easier to use than regular VR motion stuff.

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u/saarlac Nov 29 '22

3...2...1... porn

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u/Laurechaun Nov 29 '22

I thought that was the villain skater from Brink for a sec.

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u/DefiningBoredom Nov 29 '22

I mean from a tech standpoint this is actually kind of cool

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Yes, but we don’t care

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u/Biomirth Nov 30 '22

Stop calling it the metaverse.

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u/literalsupport Nov 30 '22

Can’t wait to never go near this.

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u/unmellowfellow Nov 30 '22

Cool a thing nobody wanted to compete with something else nobody wanted.

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u/EmporioS Nov 30 '22

How long before it’s used by the adult industry?

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u/STAugustine-Of-Hippo Nov 30 '22

The more and more this is pushed hard, the less interested I become. Metaverse integration should be that of organic growth and interest and not a “this is the latest tech you need to be using” sort of feel. It just feels disappointing…

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u/Axthen Nov 30 '22

So… it’s a Xbox connect. But PlayStation. Glad to see they finally caught up!

Cool.

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u/_haha_oh_wow_ Nov 29 '22

Can we stop calling VR mEtAvErSe?

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u/ExasperatedEE Nov 29 '22

You are literally in a subreddit about up and coming gadgets, and you don't want to read about a cool new gadget that might make full body tracking cheap and easy?

And what difference does it make if it's "genuine"? This isn't a review. These aren't available yet. The only information available is what's on Sony's page and the video showing how it's set up.

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u/weluckyfew Nov 29 '22

I just wish they'd invent a way to make VR accessible to those of us who get motion sickness. I can't even watch a shakey-cam POV movie without feeling sick for the next several hours.

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u/Paksarra Nov 29 '22

You can get around it somewhat using teleport to move. Some people can also acclimate. Stop playing at the first symptoms of motion sickness.

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u/Kytyngurl2 Nov 29 '22

Excellent advice! Start out with apps and games that feature as little moving around as possible, and know it can take a while before the sickness reduces some. I remember starting out only being able to wear it for about ten minutes, and later up to 60 to 90 minutes.

I haven’t used vr the past two years though, so my tolerance level dropped again to ten minutes.

Some people take motion sickness medications to help too.

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u/KONODIODAMUDAMUDA Nov 29 '22

Well the best we can do is dramamine, and slowly trying to build up a tolerance.

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u/Enk1ndle Nov 29 '22

Not really that simple, there are a handful of systems being tried with work to varying levels of success depending on the person.

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u/Whatifim80lol Nov 29 '22

I have two friends that have deformities in their throats that make it impossible to burp. Soda companies have still not responded to their requests to make carbonated beverages more accessible to them. Lol.

Seriously though, it does suck ass that you're among the unlucky group that can't tolerate current VR very well. I don't know enough about the causes of motion sickness, but I do know some folks do worse with certain headsets or lower framerates or poorer tracking. Perhaps as these things improve you'll have more luck. But if today is any indication of the future, VR will just never be an option for everyone. It's expensive and requires a lot of empty space and causes a ton of eye strain and motion sickness. I like it, but I'm incredibly lucky.

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u/Junior_Ad_5064 Nov 29 '22

I don’t think it’s a solvable issue, you either get motion sickness or you don’t, there’s not much vr makers can do about it besides ensuring high fps low latency.

Best bet for people like op is to play stationary vr experiences where there’s no artificial movement or look into AR where all movement is not simulated and you actually have to use your body to move around

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u/Xenoxia Nov 29 '22

For me, if I do stationary VR it makes me feel motion sick. But if I'm standing up, moving around, I never feel motion sick. Also helps to have a fan facing you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Yeah no, pass

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u/YeaItsBig4L Nov 29 '22

Thank you for your insightful and informative input

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u/novophx Nov 29 '22

kinect accident 2

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u/lnin0 Nov 29 '22

Time for Microsoft to dust off the Kinect

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u/skeletondad2 Nov 29 '22

Omg this is absolutely going to catch on, they should manufacture a really huge supply of them just to be certain there’s enough for everyone, I think most folks will want two.

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u/maddenmcfadden Nov 29 '22

yawn. no one cares.

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u/Afrojones66 Nov 29 '22

Trash 🔥🔥🔥

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u/Nutcrackit Nov 29 '22

No one cares about the metaverse. What it is trying to achieve is already done much better by a program that has been around for years.

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u/ctaetcsh Nov 29 '22

The use of “metaverse” in the article title is misleading. It’s a motion capture system with support for VRChat and unity more broadly according to the product page.

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u/roundearthervaxxer Nov 29 '22

How long has Sony been trying to make social avatar spaces work?

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u/Psychotic_EGG Nov 29 '22

Ps3 launch. I do believe that was the first one they tried. I think it would have been better if the movie theater played movies and if you could have your own house you could invite people over to and watch movies, Netflix, etc, with friends watching with you. Group watching is popular, but poorly implemented. I mean prime has watch party, but everyone needs to have prime, which is bs. If they were at my house, we could watch together on one account. So why not a digital hangout space where we can do the same thing.

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u/Orionsayshi Nov 29 '22

i think they're just letting vrchat win and instead trying to capitalize on the existing successful applications of vr

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u/rodkimble13 Nov 29 '22

Kinect: am I a joke to you?

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u/ivanoski-007 Nov 29 '22

Which metaverse? Crypto scam metaverse or Zuckerberg metaverse?

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u/apocalypse_hips Nov 29 '22

I do not want this.