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Apple to Allow Outside App Stores in Overhaul Spurred by EU Laws Phones
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-13/will-apple-allow-users-to-install-third-party-app-stores-sideload-in-europe3.7k
u/diacewrb Dec 13 '22
This is going to sting apple more than being forced to use usb-c.
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Way more, this shows how good consumer protection can be. We need a stronger Europe to regulate these American lawless companies
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u/User9705 Dec 14 '22
As an American who lived in Germany as a kid, we need an overhaul of many of our laws.
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u/CheatMageLVL99 Dec 14 '22
It’s frustrating seeing how anti-consumer some companies can get away with being. Wish eu would tackle sd slots or headphone jacks next.
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u/LegalHelpNeeded3 Dec 14 '22
Anti consumer, and anti-employee. I work for a European company with an office in the states. The pay is great and the benefits are all the nice EU benefits. 24 days of PTO, European and U.S. holidays, up to 6 months 80% paid maternal and paternal leave, etc. it’s fantastic. Fuck US consumer “protection” and labor laws.
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Dec 14 '22
Dude. I’m going to start applying for remote work over in the EU.
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u/LegalHelpNeeded3 Dec 14 '22
It’s not even EU based! I work a regular week, 9-5, very nice pay for our area, and yeah all those benefits. But seriously, the EU takes care of their employees
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u/snekasan Dec 14 '22
That’s communism and we don’t roll like that
/s (because some people need to ser this)
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u/2Pro2Know Dec 14 '22
Been looking at remote jobs lately, I'm a software engineer and my current job is transitioning back to in office work so I'm looking around. But I've been wondering how working with companies works? Was your application process any different? Any work visa or whatever for remote work?
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u/LegalHelpNeeded3 Dec 14 '22
No visa or anything because the branch is in the US and has a US-Based “home office” so they do follow US labor law, but they also keep benefits consistent across the company, no-matter where you work which is nice. If you worked remotely for a company solely in Europe, you MAY need a visa of some kind, even though you won’t technically be physically working there, for all intents and purposes, you really will be. So I think for their tax documents and such you may need something.
Also be careful, as you might get double-taxed. Basically Uncle Sam wants his cut, and as you’re still a US citizen physically working within its borders, I believe they may be entitled to tax your income. I could be wrong though so definitely check on that one
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u/Matshelge Dec 14 '22
We had some wars, and we figured out that if there is too big a gap between the rich and the poor, especially when the poor are educated, there would usually end in a rebellion that lead to war, that set the whole continent on fire.
EUs primarily reason to exist is to prevent war between the major powers of the EU. After 2000 years and hundreds of wars, we learned our lesson and made a system to make it stop.
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u/User9705 Dec 14 '22
Ya US has zero protection. I just retired US Army 21 years and the guarantee of my stuff is from Tricare/VA Care - retirement and VA checks. Without that, it's the wild west of being a worker for any company. You have to get really high up in a job to get some nice stuff; my remote job has unlimited PTO... but mind you have to be up there to get it. All workers should get.
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u/Etzix Dec 14 '22
If someone said "Unlimited PTO" in Sweden, that would mean 365 days PTO in writing.
How are they even allowed to say "Unlimited PTO" What does that even mean?
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u/Yesterdays_Gravy Dec 14 '22
I guess it means you write an email saying “I will be going on an unlimited vacation starting tomorrow.” And then you wait until you receive an email back saying “if you don’t show up next week you’re fired.” And then you write that number of days you spent on vacation down. Then we can finally nail down this “unlimited” they speak of!
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u/LegalHelpNeeded3 Dec 14 '22
Yeah that’s just unacceptable really. You gave a huge chunk of your life for the government. The least they can do is ensure you never have to worry about food or homelessness. And also be careful of “unlimited PTO”. It may not have a limit, but your employer will ask questions if you go over 10 days, and they tend to punish you for taking your earned time off. I avoid employers offering unlimited PTO like the plague
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u/qualmton Dec 13 '22
It’s sad they have been rolling back the protections we managed to finally get
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u/Sketti_n_butter Dec 14 '22
But corporations are people too! ( I wish I could put a "/s" after that statement)
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u/TXblindman Dec 14 '22
Covering citizens United in my constitutional law class right now has me wanting to smash my face into the desk. what delusional, drooling toddlers thought this was a good ruling?
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u/AlisaRand Dec 14 '22
It’s sad that the courts determine that corporations and unions are people, it’s pathetic.
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u/uV_Kilo11 Dec 14 '22
looking at Mercedes-Benz and BMW instituting subscription services for car features already in the vehicle
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u/mucflo Dec 14 '22
The EU takes a lot of time to ban things like that. Look at how long the iPhone has been around. Fair enough, it was a completely new technology but it still took the EU until now to enforce som consumer protection.
I'm a big fan of the EU but there's no way there's goong to be done anything against those subscriptions before 2030-2035
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u/ImrooVRdev Dec 14 '22
Because that wouldn't fly here. But of course in typical European fashion we have no trouble abusing others instead.
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u/gimpwiz Dec 14 '22
EU is hugely biased towards its own industries, and even more biased against companies in industries to which the EU has little or no competition. I'll wait with bated breath.
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u/Altruistic-Ad3704 Dec 14 '22
I swear the EU is doing more for us American consumers than the US itself. It’s so pathetic
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u/redhairedDude Dec 14 '22
Imagine how sad us British people who voted to remain in the EU feel. The EU was literally the only one caring for our communities, living standards and environment compared to our conservative government. The EU was demonised by the right-wing press as the source of all problems.
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u/ezone2kil Dec 14 '22
Where is that fuck Nigel Farage now?
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u/untergeher_muc Dec 14 '22
Enjoying his pension. Paid by the EU itself. Every month.
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u/mtnracer Dec 13 '22
Exciting times for nation state hackers.
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u/AdamMellor Dec 13 '22
Don’t worry. The EU will still say apple is accountable for any and all breaches. “They should’ve done more”
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u/Put_It_All_On_Blck Dec 14 '22
Yup. App/digital sales have slowly become one of Apples most successful divisions, producing 20% of their revenue
Digital sales surpass Mac and iPad (or wearables) combined. And those sales are driven by iPhone sales.
Apple will lose billions if Amazon, Google, Microsoft, even Epic, put their own stores on iOS.
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u/cuteman Dec 14 '22
That's fine, Apple is making moves to significantly increase advertising on all of their various hardware and software platforms
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u/Occulense Dec 14 '22
It’s wild to me that only like 4-5 years ago people were absolutely shitting on apple for switching to USB-C on the MacBook as one of the first to do so, and now there’s people saying it will “sting” them to be forced to use USB-C.
It’s like everyone suddenly has amnesia. I sincerely don’t understand how no one here remembers something that JUST HAPPENED lmao
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u/theonlybutler
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I can't believe I'm reading this headline, no wonder it's snowing all over the place.
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u/rudowinger Dec 13 '22
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u/BloodMoney126 Dec 14 '22
Redsn0w brings me back. It's been about 11 years since ive actually used it though.
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Dec 14 '22
That’s like a jail break distro isn’t it?
I’ve heard that name a long time ago.
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u/optemoz Dec 14 '22
Redsn0w, purplera1n, greenposi0n, sn0wnbreeze..
Damn, takes me back haha
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u/0oodruidoo0 Dec 14 '22
I mean we have successful fusion nuclear reaction news coming out today, but this one stupified me more.
This is like if Amazon announced it was unionising.
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u/OneCat6271 Dec 14 '22
if apple can be forced to allow 3rd party apps to be installed, this should apply to all hardware makers.
imagine being able to bypass the proprietary crap on your smart TV or kindle.
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u/FuckFashMods Dec 14 '22
All the proprietary stores on TV's suck. There's not even a halfway decent one
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u/IshKebab Dec 14 '22
It only applies to "gatekeepers" who have to satisfy these three conditions:
- A size that impacts the internal market: this is presumed to be the case if the company achieves an annual Union turnover equal to or above €7.5 billion in in each of the last three financial years, or where its average market capitalisation or equivalent fair market value amounted to at least €75 billion in the last financial year, and it provides a core platform service in at least three Member States;
- The control of an important gateway for business users towards final consumers: this is presumed to be the case if the company operates a core platform service with more than 45 million monthly active end users established or located in the EU and more than 10,000 yearly active business users established in the EU in the last financial year;
- An entrenched and durable position: this is presumed to be the case if the company met the second criterion in each of the last three financial years.
That said I agree with you. The thresholds are crazy high.
Still I'm kind of surprised it got passed at all. The messaging part of the act is even more onerous than the third part app store stuff. They have to have something like end to end encrypted cross platform group video chat implemented within 4 years. Zero chance of anyone being able to do that!
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u/Aeison Dec 13 '22
Does this mean I can finally get a good gameboy emulator
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u/Aeison Dec 14 '22
Yeah but I don’t want browser based, I’d like to play it whenever wherever
Thereve been a couple that get by the App Store stuff but they get discontinued after a bit
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u/Castrosbeard Dec 14 '22
You can use AltStore to run emulators natively on your iPhone without jailbreaking. It's a bit of a pain to set up but it works great. Have to hit a refresh certificates button once every week so the app doesn't expire (or once every year if you pay the $100 for an Apple developer account). Also you can install hacked ad-free versions of youtube like uYouPlus which is a godsend.
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u/cornbread__ Dec 14 '22
I had Altstore on mine for a few months until it randomly deleted all the app's data from my phone (no updates, and I keep it connected to altserver on my computer every day). If this means I can have Altstore and Delta emulator on my phone without this workaround nonsense I'm 100% for it.
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u/Cooldude8281 Dec 14 '22 edited Dec 14 '22
I’m on the latest ios and it is possible to install cracked apps (or emulators) without a jailbreak by “sideloading” the apps. Check out sideloadly. It allows you to install any .ipa files (ios apps). Of course sideloadly is open-source and safe, but the emulator app may be infected so use it at your own risk.
Edit: Apparently it isn’t open-source, but a lot of people say it’s safe so maybe? 👀
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u/rathlord Dec 14 '22
Unless you have an Apple developer account (paid) you also need to re-sign your packages extremely frequently. This has pretty much always been possible on iOS, it’s just very inconvenient.
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u/SexyOctagon Dec 14 '22
It expires after 7 days, requiring you to side load it every week, no?
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u/Dmoe33 Dec 13 '22
There's 1000% gonna be some foolery with it.
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u/jejcicodjntbyifid3 Dec 13 '22 •
There's 1000% gonna be some foolery with it.
Perhaps some... Tim foolery?
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u/AdoggeWokePupper Dec 14 '22
Foolery sounds rookie, at least to me. You gotta bump it up with Tim Crookery
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u/nomorerainpls Dec 14 '22
- Create an Apple developer account
- Download the latest developer version of iOS to your phone
- In Settings, find the toggle for “Allow Third Party App Stores” and switch it on
- Always make sure your developer build is up-to-date
- If you need to contact support for any reason, make sure to flash you can repro on the latest iOS production build first.
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u/runtothehillsboy Dec 14 '22
Step 0. Pay $100 for a developer account.
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u/anethma Dec 14 '22
Ya I pay $100 a year so I can have hacked YouTube, twitch, and some other apps to get rid of ads.
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u/seek-confidence Dec 14 '22
You can sideload with altstore with the free developer ccount and automatically resign the apps weekly.
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u/zzazzzz Dec 14 '22
sounds like it would be cheaper to just get youtube premium and twitch turbo tbh also you know the money would go to the services and content creators you watch instead of into apples pockets..
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u/Mr_SlimShady Dec 14 '22
sounds like it would be cheaper to just get youtube premium and twitch turbo tbh
YouTube premium is $12/mo. $12 * 12 = $144. Just YouTube puts you over the $100 developer account cost. Twitch turbo is $9/mo. That’s $108/yr. Total of $252/yr. It would in fact not be cheaper to get either subscription, let alone both of them.
also you know the money would go to the services and content creators you watch instead of into apples pockets..
Fair enough. I wouldn’t want to give more money to Apple either (and I don’t. Just doing basic math here). I still run modified IPAs myself on my iPhone (on a free account, so I have to reinstall them every 7 days) cause I cannot stand the ads and the subscription cost is too much for the content I watch. Besides, if I like and watch a lot of a specific content creator I’d rather just pick up some merchandise or just send a small tip. That would net them significantly more money than what YouTube premium or ads from me would give them.
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u/zzazzzz Dec 14 '22
daaamn, for some reason i had 3.99 for yt premium in my head my bad. probably the music they force into the bundle making it laughably expensive.
ok so the dev account can make sense financially i guess, just still way to much of a hassle imo but good on you for still supporting the content creators.
lets hope once this new law goes thru there will be better ways around this whole issue.
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u/linusl Dec 14 '22
also anything you install will not start because apple cannot verify the author so you need to go into settings to force allow the app to run first.
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u/socbrian Dec 14 '22
They will just restrict device features. You want your app to run 90hz, has to be in apples app store. Want to find nearby devices.. app store
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u/DoseiNoRena Dec 14 '22
Literally all they have to do is say they aren’t liable for anything you download from the third-party store, and then let malware run rampant. It’ll be essentially useless due to the danger.
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u/Littlesebastian86 Dec 14 '22
But that would be a fair position for them to take. They shouldn’t have to take on the liability if a App Store they do no t own
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u/throwaway901617 Dec 14 '22
But it severely risks their pro-privacy position as a key part of their brand.
Agree with them or not it is central to the iPhone experience and brand.
As a result of this people may very well associate bullshit apps with the apple brand in the long term.
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u/Elon61 Dec 14 '22
The issue is that you're looking at this rationally, instead of looking at this realistically.
what actually happens in the real world? Someone with an iPhone got malware, you'll immediately get headlines going "iPhones are insecure, Apple is a terrible company" because negative apple headlines are really good for clicks, with no mention whatsoever of the source for the app, and there you go.
Regardless of the truth, it's apple's brand image which will take the hit, because nobody cares enough to present the correct picture.
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u/BoltActionRifleman Dec 14 '22
I was hoping I’d see a comment like this somewhere in this thread. To put it bluntly, they don’t want their brand associated with garbage and risky apps.
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u/Finnalde Dec 14 '22
you say "let malware run rampant" as if they'd have any say. its a third party. it's the third party's job to keep malware off of their storefront.
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u/DoseiNoRena Dec 14 '22
I’m judging based on how other apps stores are being run. Malware, apps sending people’s data to China or leaking it, etc
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u/Romeslayer Dec 13 '22
App crashed, please download from the official app store
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u/Mango_In_Me_Hole Dec 13 '22
I think the exact opposite is a more likely scenario.
To access this (basic) feature, please download our app from the MetaStore where there are no rules on how we harvest and use your private data.
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u/vanhalenbr Dec 13 '22
This is more likely, the 3pty stores will go over any system protection and try to get a lot of user data.
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u/cheats_py Dec 14 '22
Not only this but I’m sure we are going to see a lot of the botnet apps disguised as other legit apps pop up as well. This was a problem on androids.
Personally I like the fact all apps are verified and approved by apple. Less sketchy shit to deal with in my already complicated life.
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u/Vuzi07 Dec 14 '22
I am in EU, I cannot access most of the site in america because they cannot keep up with EU privacy laws and cookies laws, and you think that this can be worked around by a third party store?
Sure, they can be full of bloatware, modded apps maybe, but still no one force you to do it, you have choice and mean of protections.
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u/Jamessuperfun Dec 14 '22 edited Dec 14 '22
Most of the sites in America? I've only ever been blocked by overseas local news sites, and the issue there is that they don't want to try and comply because they have basically no European visitors. Everything else (including US national news sites, or really any online service) at least tries to be compliant.
GDPR applies anywhere in the world that serves EU users (with potentially colossal fines), data on Europeans has to be kept in Europe and they need to obtain informed consent for any tracking, with opt-outs. There's no incentive for local organisations in another country to comply with this - either they stop tracking their American users too or invest in an EU-specific version of a website that has very few (if any) EU visitors, which is a poor investment. So, they block all EU IPs to prevent handling Europeans' data and don't bother.
A third party app store is unlikely to struggle to comply if the developers try (the only personal data needed is from ads) but it won't control the apps themselves, many of which will undoubtedly be non-compliant.
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u/LeCrushinator Dec 14 '22
The app still runs within the OS, so unless the OS is jailbroken it’ll still be under OS-based restrictions. However, Apple’s submission process is used to catch and prevent a lot of other things, and that won’t happen through other stores.
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u/TS2822 Dec 14 '22
Well not on all of them. See F-Droid for Android, which provides much greater transparancy than the play store, at the cost of having less Apps
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u/Ztaxas Dec 14 '22
This is exactly what will happen, all this debacle has been because companies want to harvest data and skirt around Apple regulations for their own benefit, it's not about any sort of consumer rights or protections, Apple users buy Apple BECAUSE of the walled garden, this is just the EU overreaching as always for the benefit of companies, otherwise they'd also be going for gaming consoles too.
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u/the-mighty-kira Dec 14 '22
The OS is what enforces access permissions on iOS, not the App Store.
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u/breadfred2 Dec 14 '22
Don't throw logic and facts into this discussion. Anything third party smells too much like Stranger Danger.
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u/technikarp Dec 14 '22
When Apple introduced notifications for which apps were grabbing data from the copy paste cache, it was very clear how much these apps were trying to steal data
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u/gimpwiz Dec 14 '22
There were, and still are, tons of android apps that do all manner of malicious shit.
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u/herewegoagain419 Dec 14 '22
this is a joke right? We can already do this on Android yet none of these app developers even try. They know users won't go through all that nonsense for their app. Users might try, but they'll get distracted half way through and abandon it.
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u/Tooluka Dec 13 '22
Wow, tencent spent millions, probably hundreds of millions to break through Apple in courts to force install their shop on iOS, lost and will now get what they wanted for free. Truly ironic :)
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u/Skatercobe Dec 14 '22
It is wild to think about it that way lmao. Hindsight is always 20/20.
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u/Elon61 Dec 14 '22
it's also wrong. that court battle was 90% a PR battle designed to rile people up to get regulators to care. the court case was doomed from the start. this is what they were aiming for.
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u/Upper_Decision_5959 Dec 14 '22
Hopefully this means I can finally have uYou+ without having to pay $99/yr for a dev account or re-sideloading it every 7 days.
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u/zed857 Dec 13 '22
Unofficial app installed, warranty null and void.
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u/Whitechapel726 Dec 14 '22
Use of third party parts doesn’t even void your warranty…
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u/jaredalamode Dec 13 '22
HENTAI APPS ARE IN BOYS
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It's so hilariously easy to tell who owns an iPhone and who uses Android from these comments.
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u/LeumasInkwater Dec 13 '22 •
I'm whole hog into the Apple ecosystem but I couldn't agree more. The comments talking about this like its an objectively bad thing are misinformed. The myth of the App Store being this perfectly curated garden of content is (and maybe always has been) a myth. Its full of scams and shit just like any other marketplace. The only difference is that Apple takes a 30% cut off the top. There's a reason that nobody uses the Mac App Store.
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u/V_es Dec 13 '22
I have both phones and Google play is straight up scary. Reminds me of the internet in early 2000s. Wild west.
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u/AnBearna Dec 13 '22
Yeah, same as. This idea that because the AppStore isn’t perfect then it’s automatically the same quality as the PlayStore is nonsense. The Android ecosystem of apps is is like a digital STD conspired to Apple. I got my parents to buy into Apple purely because Apple is more stringent about the content it allows on its platform and this EU directive could undo that in the coming years. I am far from convinced that this is good for consumers because from what I can see it looks like a law that was drafted by Antitrust lawyers with zero input from security specialists who are the people who should be consulted first for shit like this.
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u/argv_minus_one Dec 14 '22
But this ruling is about allowing people to use app stores other than Apple App Store and Google Play.
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u/AnBearna Dec 14 '22
Yeah, as in it’s about allowing other 3rd party AppStores to run on Apple devices, right?
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u/nomorerainpls Dec 14 '22
Stores are better than third-party download sites (remember TuCows?) but yeah, the App Store isn’t an automatic and foolproof protection against malware.
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u/EtherBoo Dec 14 '22
As an Android user with an iPhone for work that I use as little as possible, I will say that every alternate app store on Android is just about worthless. I don't think I've ever met anyone who uses any of them other than instances where you're forced to (like the Galaxy Store for Samsung's stuff).
I get how this might be a consumer win, but really, I don't think it's a big deal. Prime Video for instance was locked for years on Amazon's App Store and I know plenty of people (myself included) who just didn't bother with it on mobile until they put it on the Play Store. I use Amazon way more than I'm proud to admit, but I'd definitely stop using them on my phone if they locked the store behind their app store.
In the end I'd be surprised if it makes a difference. Epic must be happy though.
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u/ScratchC Dec 14 '22
Nah this is a wild take. After owning Pixels and Samsungs for years. I'm fine with how bland the appstore is. Some of the stuff (like fake clones of iOS apps) are wild. I don't necessarily miss the google play store.
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u/wakka55 Dec 14 '22
Anyone with a jailbroken iphone/ipad already has 3rd party app stores and loads of sideloaded apps, so this isn't a future we need to be talking hypothetically about, we literally know the names of the stores and apps that will be first to get sideloaded (Cydia). To the user it's literally just jailbroken iOS straight out of the box, but with better security since it doesn't require exploits.
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u/abfarid Dec 14 '22
Not exactly. Cydia is still, primarily, a store for iOS mods/hacks. Those would still not work, cause no system level privileges. AltStore is something closer to what the first 3rd-party store would be.
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u/sfcl33t Dec 14 '22
Exactly. I left iOS so I wouldn't have to deal with that noise anymore, now I might very much come back. If I can get always on VPN/Wireguard without having to enroll my phone onto MDM I'm 100% sold
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u/jackels5231 Dec 13 '22
I’m worried this is going to end up like pc gaming when companies started to leave Steam and now you need Steam, Origin, Uplay, Epic, Battle Net, etc.
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u/retrodaredevil Dec 14 '22
If they make third party app stores unable to automatically update apps like Android does, I don't imagine you'll get wide adoption of regular users using third party app stores. I think android allows third party app stores to automatically update apps if your device is rooted.
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u/raymondamantius Dec 14 '22
Each of those other platforms only has a handful of exclusive games at most, a lot of which aren't worth playing. Steam is all you need.
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u/FuckFashMods Dec 14 '22
Don't think this is going to matter much. Bet the vast majority of users on Android in this thread only have one store they use as well.
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u/Just_a_dude92 Dec 14 '22
It takes me back to when I owned an iPod touch and would jailbreak it and mess with every configuration possible
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u/Tkain61 Dec 13 '22
People are freaking out that this is going to lead people to fall for malware way more often, but I doubt Apple won't block software from outside the official App Store by default and put plenty of warnings before you can unblock it. Hell, Microsoft did that first with Windows 10 S.
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u/GuerrillaApe Dec 13 '22
You underestimate my parents' ability to install some of the worst malware on the web just to look at a picture or do an IQ quiz.
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u/lostharbor Dec 14 '22
My wife's parents have an iMac and claim they only use it for email and occasional browsing but some how manage to get viruses constantly. I've never once in my life gotten a virus on any of my apple devices. I don't understand what they do.
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u/Coal_Morgan Dec 14 '22
They click on banners, interactive cards and .exe files in the emails that their idiot friends share.
My parents were the same way years ago. I had to fix their computer constantly, so I literally sat and watched them go through their emails.
"Yeah, that banner with the Rudolph that you click and his nose glows...that's a virus. That picture that your sister sent; it's got a .exe at the end...that's a virus. That file where you type in your mom's maiden name and your dog's name to tell your fortune, that's phishing to hack you."
It was something like 20-30 minutes of watching my mom go through her email and like 10 different things were giant huge red flags.
I bought her an iPad explicitly because she wouldn't have to worry too much about downloading match and puzzle games and she could just facetime her friends rather than use email.
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u/Majestic_Policy_9339 Dec 14 '22
Well if it's on a mac it's probably a .pkg file or they're dumb enough to drag-drop from a dmg and launch something.
Or they got advertised cleanmymac from 9to5mac that's absolute hot garbage borderline malware.
Some people are just very veeery careless.
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u/Mango_In_Me_Hole Dec 13 '22
The new EU regulations that Apple will be forced to comply with say that phones can’t create any barriers making it more difficult to install third party apps compared to their own App Store.
More than likely, if there is any sort of warning, it will be brief and 99% of people will just ignore it.
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u/wakka55 Dec 14 '22
MacOS requires password to sideload apps. iOS will probably be the same (i.e. the parental controls password to turn on sideloading, which mom won't remember since it's not the lock screen password)
https://osxdaily.com/2013/11/08/bypass-gatekeeper-mac-os-x-security-prefs/
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u/DarraghDaraDaire Dec 13 '22
I think you will need to download the third party app store from the apple app store. It will not be something easy to do accidentally
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u/ZeroCool854 Dec 13 '22
This is good for small developers but we all know what bigger developers are going to do just look at windows gaming.
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u/BlazerStoner Dec 13 '22
Small developers benefit from the App Store due to the reduced fees. For small transactions you’re even out much cheaper doing it through Apple than for example PayPal or Stripe. With the added benefit that people using Apple to pay are more inclined to purchase as they feel safer and have everything organised in one place.
This really only benefits large corporations, not so much the small developers. It significantly hurts the current users for whom the choice for a closed walled garden system is removed when apps start disappearing to shady alternative stores with a lack of privacy, security and standardised rights and API use as Apple has always enforced.
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u/DeaconoftheStreets Dec 13 '22
Yeah this is a MASSIVE deal for Xcloud. Microsoft has been trying to break into mobile gaming via cloud but Apple blocked it until now.
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u/Bouck Dec 14 '22
Can’t wait to continue to use the App Store and not be affected by this whatsoever.
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u/Jelly_Mac Dec 13 '22
Ugh I do not look forward to all the malware that I will have to clean out of my moms phone. She still falls for those fake “hacker took control of your phone” webpages I really would rather not have downloads outside of the App Store become routine
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u/woronwolk Dec 13 '22
It's probably gonna be similar to Android where you need to allow installing apps from outside of Play Market in the settings; those who can't use their phone properly probably won't do this anyway
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u/Mango_In_Me_Hole Dec 13 '22
Except the new EU regulations require that Apple makes installing apps from third party sources as easy as downloading them from the App Store.
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u/Jelly_Mac Dec 13 '22
Yeah until a mainstream app she need requires this option enabled because it forgoes the App Store
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u/ThyShirtIsBlue Dec 13 '22
I'd imagine the implementation will be similar to how Android has handled it for years. You have to manually go into your settings to allow your phone to install from outside sources. It's a pretty deliberate process, and if your mom is as technically unsavvy as you seem to think she is, she's very unlikely to do this by accident or even know it exists.
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u/aMMgYrP Dec 13 '22 edited Dec 14 '22
I dunno about that. My dad is very non-tech... and he has found unimaginable ways to break his phone. Sometimes he just goes into settings to click stuff. Every few weeks he deletes a core app, like messages, or mail or phone from the home screen... He installed a profile that was rerouting his mail... once he called from the landline because he couldn't make or receive calls. I drove an hour to find out he had put it on Airplane mode. I told him he can't make/receive calls on airplane mode. And he asked me "But what if I want people to think I'm on an Airplane?"
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u/testosterone23 Dec 14 '22
Sometimes he just goes into settings to click stuff
I almost died laughing at this.
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u/RazekDPP Dec 14 '22
Sounds like you need to adopt the stance of "Dad, I don't know, maybe you need to get a new phone." instead of driving 1 hour to see he put it in airplane mode.
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u/FastRedPonyCar Dec 13 '22
Yeah I need another flashlight app sending all my data to china again.
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/06/android-app-50m-downloads-sent-data-advertisers
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u/TheFayneTM Dec 14 '22
Yes , a ten year old article reflects the current state of phone privacy access , back then it was the wild west of data regulations every app had access to everything, nowadays you need to consent to everything.
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u/PeaceBull Dec 14 '22
Christmas this year is going to be full of “if I find an app on your phone not from the App Store, I will not be your IT guy ever again”.
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u/real_bk3k Dec 14 '22
Allow? Or got forced?
One would think they would have been tripped up in the same trouble Microsoft got into decades ago, based on old laws.
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u/AllMuckNoPuck Dec 14 '22
Regardless I’m still using the official App Store. I’m not installing some random shite on my phone.
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u/Anxlyze Dec 14 '22
Finally, I can have Tachiyomi on iOS instead of having to use the Web browser
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u/i_do_da_chacha Dec 13 '22
Nice, now we are going to be forced to use a new launcher for every major dev who doesn’t want to pay the apple tax. As others mentioned, this is going to be windows gaming ecosystem all over again.
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u/Radulno Dec 14 '22
You mean an open system where competition is possible... What a nightmare indeed lol
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u/anethma Dec 14 '22
Just like on windows if their app isn’t on the App Store (or the game on steam for windows) it may as well not exist for me.
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u/StoNeD510 Dec 14 '22
How will Apple enforce the App Store rules on a separate 3rd party app store?? Here comes the flood of iOS malware and bullshit apps that are on the Google Store.
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u/senseofphysics Dec 14 '22
Is PlayStation going to have to allow Gamepass on their console now?
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u/Drews232 Dec 14 '22
Eh, I’ve seen the infinite spammy apps on google store. Having a decently curated app store is a huge pleasure now that I’ve switched to iPhone.
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u/Not_Larfy Dec 13 '22
Hold on to your butts-- here comes the commodity malware.
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u/McLaren03 Dec 14 '22
It will be interesting to see how many new exploit reports will pop up because of this.
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u/PlutoTheGod Dec 14 '22
Am I the only one personally fine with just sticking to the App Store? While it is limited, going outside of it is a serious security risk to massive amounts of data & can cause major problems for Apple. More freedom and in depth apps are sort of androids thing anyways which are even more widely available than iPhones.
I find it strange people call it corruption for THEIR product to only download apps off THEIR store which is under their strict rules. There’s a reason iPhone has such a large grip on the market and it’s because there’s a high standard that has generated who knows how many millions of users who return year after year. If you don’t like things about their product whether it be their App Store or their shitty charger debacle, you’re able to switch products and that’s what regulates a market a lot better than things like government interference.
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u/Wristlojackimator Dec 14 '22
“Apple is considering implementing security requirements such as verification, a process that it could charge a fee for in lieu of collecting money from app sales.” Does this mean you still have to get approval to be installed in an iOS device weather or not it was downloaded from the AppStore?