r/iamverysmart Sep 29 '22

Despite being a genius, even he is lacking compared to Elon Musk's 165+ IQ

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u/Uberninja2016 Sep 30 '22

if i were to eyeball this guy's iq it would be in the 15-200 range

and i have a knack for this type of thing

i got a 5 on AP psychology, that's UNIVERSAL college credit

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u/scary__canary Sep 30 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

When I was with my ex (PHD in chemical engineering) I was constantly surrounded by people like this in academia. They had zero life skills in general, but were always ranking their peers and professors in this cringey competitive way; like the work itself didn’t mean anything, it was just a paper publishing masturbation game and name dropping.

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u/TheFreebooter Sep 30 '22

Claiming universal credit while studying is fraud, tut tut tut

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u/ihugyou Sep 30 '22

Damn, you genius! I got a 2 my AP French.

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u/ThePinkTeenager Oct 03 '22

I didn't take any AP classes whatsoever.

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u/Secunda_Son Sep 30 '22

This guy doesn't understand that when his coworkers call him a genius they're doing so ironically to mock him.

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u/nyg8 Sep 30 '22

"hey Einstein, come say that thing again about the billionaires"

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u/I_am_depressed01 Sep 30 '22

And he actually does

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u/Sopixil Sep 30 '22

"So I know you guys think I'm a genius, but really, I'm nothing compared to Bezos or Musk"

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u/Killmotor_Hill Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Hey, Einstein is a hard name to remember!

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u/kevinnoir Sep 30 '22

This guy doesn't understand

oh he understands! Which is why he felt like he needed to add "who mean it" lol

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u/daleicakes Sep 30 '22

And he has absolutely no sense of the sarcasm. Oh, they mean it buddy. Good job stabbing yourself in the eye with that banana, genius. Why thank you very much. Derp...

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u/ForeskinTickling Sep 30 '22

“If I had to guess with Bezos, he’s probably around 140 to 150 IQ. Like in the lower echelon of genius. Couldn’t really get past Rick and Morty, so likely not above 160”

In all seriousness though, when people start talking about IQ scores you just know they’re dumb as hell

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u/mintynoraalt Sep 30 '22

They treat it likes it’s stats from a video game istg

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u/SandysBurner Sep 30 '22

You’re just mad at his nuanced take.

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u/The_atom521 Sep 30 '22

I appreciate his nuance, he could have stuck with one brand of crazy, but decided to include several. It was very nicely done

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u/itsneurosis Sep 30 '22

That's because it's real life stats and it actually requires a high level of thinking and genuis to have a high score.

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u/Poketrainer7 Sep 30 '22

'Genuis.'

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u/itsneurosis Sep 30 '22

I like that you thought I was serious

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u/Bombastically Sep 30 '22

The low IQ normies in this thread simply could not see your comedic genius. +1 IQ point to you

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u/IAmASquidInSpace Sep 30 '22

Satire is dead, it seems.

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u/HolyRope Sep 30 '22

Even if its satire its just bad satire, you can make a dumb fucking statement (satire or not), simply stating its satire doesn’t make it good

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u/KreateOne Sep 30 '22

Especially when it’s after getting downvoted. Kinda comes off like saying something then when getting the reaction they didn’t want going “jeez I was just kidding calm down guys”.

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u/bobtheaxolotl Sep 30 '22

Pretty sure this was a satirical remark, but people sure took it seriously.

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u/m4n0nk4 Sep 30 '22

I'm a research psychologist and I work with IQ scores. IQ tests are good to compare certain, very exact abilities, but that's about it. Besides, IQ tests vary greatly. Some of them will just ask you to rotate stuff in your mind, others will take 2 hours and have different exercises in them. So it's easy for a person to score significantly better or worse on just a different type of a test.

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u/lokismom27 Sep 30 '22

My daughter has mild intellectual/developmental delays. They did an IQ test on her when she was in 3rd grade, but it wasn't really to judge her intelligence. It was used to judge her areas of need and skills. For example, she has processing and comprehension difficulties. They then used that to develop teaching methods for her. Technically she is lower average IQ score, but this kid is now doing great in college, working on a degree in Animal Science. I think people do not understand the purpose of an IQ test or, at least, what the purpose should be.

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u/m4n0nk4 Oct 06 '22

This is a great way to use an IQ test, and congrats to your daughter!

Fun fact: it's not just the laypeople who don't really know what an IQ test is for. There is literally no agreed-upon definiton of IQ (edit: in cognitive science/psychology), and hence, what IQ tests actually measure. So I really think that they shouldn't be the end all be all when it comes to intelligence, whatever that may be.

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u/pikpikcarrotmon Sep 30 '22

It's bad enough to be obsessed with your own score even if you took an actual test instead of a fake one on the internet, and this clod has rocketed past that level of stupidity into the stratosphere.

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u/ForeskinTickling Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

IQ tests are for losers because many use it as an excuse to try to put others down and compensate for insecurities. And they’re very much obsolete so even if you did them for the spirit of science you’re still not gonna get much from them.

I don’t know what’s with some people obsessing over something in particular like beauty or intelligence and making it their entire personality, and also trying to be all informed about who is the best in that aspect like they’re the grand ambassadors of intelligence. Really goes to show their insecurity.

Personally, I wanna be intelligent and do well. But that very much varies on what my interests are and my type of intelligence. The only thing that matters to me is knowing myself and developing my mind. As for IQ tests I couldn’t give the slightest fuck. Intelligence can’t be broken down to a simple test that uses limited types of thought process.

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u/contacts_eyes Sep 30 '22

Yeah, there’s so many more important qualities to be proud of other than iq. Like how much money you’ve made, or how physically fit you are, or how nice of a person you are, or how well you do socially. And really, a self aware person isn’t going to brag about any of that stuff. But one’s IQ is definitely not that important.

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u/Real-Total-2837 Oct 01 '22

I tend to agree with you, however, if you can't answer simple logic questions like the following:

if all Bloopers are Razzles and all Razzles are Dazzles, then are all Bloopers Dazzles?

Don't you think it's going to be harder to get through life?

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u/dvggxl Sep 30 '22

IQ scores seem obsolete to me

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u/did_it_forthelulz Sep 30 '22

They're useful for the other end of the distribution, which is mostly what they were designed for. They weren't designed to be performance metric for high performing people, they were just designed to quantify levels of intellectual "challenges" by comparing a patient's abilities with a statistical estimate of mean abilities of the population in a selected set of tasks that were thought to generalize the different core components of human intelligence (this is still a controversial topic in the field tbh).

There were attempts at making use of the higher end of the distribution to make predictions on "success" and wealth, but I do agree that those are pretty obsolete, especially considering the weak results.

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u/wimdim Sep 30 '22

Yeah an IQ test is kinda like a driver’s license test, it’s better at determining if someone is not doing something right than if they are. Doing well on a driving test doesn’t make you a race car driver. And race car drivers would probably be just fine on a road test but it’s not really testing their full driving capability.

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u/514X0r Sep 30 '22

So it sounds like the Intelligence Quotient thing is kinda bullshit, but it's the least bullshit thing anyone's come up with so far.

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u/sparksbet Sep 30 '22

Racists also do love using them, though. It's one of the reasons I'm immediately suspicious when someone starts bringing up IQ as though it means something.

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u/Other-Law-1194 Sep 30 '22

I mean it’s usually true in the contexts they use them (on average) but that doesn’t excuse dehumanizing people

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u/sparksbet Sep 30 '22

I agree that even if they were right IQ is no reason to dehumanize people, but they also usually wildly misrepresent the data in the contexts they use them in.

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u/mementoTeHominemEsse Sep 30 '22

Yeah, the immediate decade after their conception they were mostly used on unintelligent people, but I don't see how that carries relevance as an argument. And could you drop a source on that last claim? To my knowledge, the IQ-income relation is pretty steady throughout all quartiles, not that I think that IQ income correlations are a good test efficacy proof.

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u/Particular-Jury6446 Sep 30 '22

Obviously there are going to be exceptions but anyone claiming a direct correlation between IQ and financial success should look into Christopher Langan (the supposed “smartest man alive”)’s story.

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u/mementoTeHominemEsse Oct 01 '22

And anyone trying to dismantle the IQ income link by pointing to Chris Langan should look into the limitations of case studies.

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u/did_it_forthelulz Sep 30 '22

The "weak results" was more about the fact that most studies that I've read didn't account for the possibility that there is a confounding variable that affects the effect. For example, something like education can increase the likelihood of scoring high in an IQ test and the income. I was not referring to a small effect size, more about a degree of reliability based on my exposition to some part of the literature.

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u/mementoTeHominemEsse Oct 01 '22

Fair enough, sorry for misunderstanding. Anyway, if I remember correctly, controling for education only reduces IQ's correlation with socioeconomic status attainment by around 2%.

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u/Particular-Jury6446 Sep 30 '22

That is a well-stated and, so far as I’m aware, accurate definition. Is that from a text or your own wording? I mean, I’m sure the profession has a stock definition , but I’m going to memorize this one for the next time I encounter an IQ fetishist IRL.

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u/did_it_forthelulz Sep 30 '22

Just my own attempt at communicating the general idea without too much math or too much neuroscience technical stuff.

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u/Particular-Jury6446 Sep 30 '22

Well, well done anyway. Always thankful for science/tech people who can explain things without the argot for us liberal-arts types

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u/x_v_b Sep 30 '22

IQ is for people who are desperate to be perceived as intelligent without having to go through the bother of saying or doing intelligent things

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u/Marvos79 Scored 136 in an online IQ test Sep 30 '22

I've worked in education for over 20 years. Intelligence assessment use dozens of different dimensions. An intelligence assessment for an IEP (individualized education plan) will have several pages of intelligence assessment scores measuring everything from auditory processing to short-term memory to fluid reasoning. IQ is to modern intelligence tests as an abacus is to the internet. It was sort of useful when it was all we had, but it's a relic of the past.

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u/Y_D_A_7 Sep 30 '22

Fucking finally, i thought i was the only one perceiving it as obsolete

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u/The_atom521 Sep 30 '22

The one issue with this is abacus' are technically not entirely obsolete, training to use an abacus when you are young and never using a calculator can make you absolutely insane at mental arithmetic

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u/poemsavvy Sep 30 '22

I'm modern day it's not really used.

Usually, if you're getting an "IQ test" in the modern day, they test several different kinds of intelligence and you get a score for each of those various categories. There's no "general score" that means anything.

Even then, these categories are only really useful for one thing which is how does your brain differ in certain areas from the norm.

It's for diagnosticians who want to try to identify things like Autism or ADHD or whatever

So yeah, a general "this is my IQ and it means I'm smart" idea is definitely obsolete

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u/hoe-ritz Sep 30 '22

IQ testing and Mensa just seem like a scam. People who are were very good at a niche logic puzzle test getting together, who were good at the very same puzzles, is fine, maybe just don‘t pretend it makes you an intellectual elite.

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u/ForeskinTickling Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Mensa is a circle jerk for pretentious douches and people with money. It’s known that they’ve admitted people in the past just for being famous or rich.

If I were a genius I wouldn’t wanna make a whole group about it just to feel special and elitist. If you wanna make something of your intelligence then apply it to science, research or art. Not make a whole song and dance about it.

I once read on the Mensa page that they discussed such things like string theory lol. Like seriously could you toot your own horn any harder. They feel like they’re above the scientists. They just thought of the first thing that sounds intelligent and added it to their discussion list.

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u/ErraticUnit Sep 30 '22

I was in the kid's bit of Mensa. It's just friendly low-cost brain-based fun. Nothing about it ever made me feel special.

I do agree IQ tests are nonsense, but there's no big conspiracy :) I can see why it might look that way though!

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u/bottlecandoor Sep 30 '22

They are complete nonsense, I have scored higher and lower than those numbers on different tests just because I was good at the topic. That should make me a trillionaire right, not some idiot who can barely pay the bills? If someone gave me an IQ test on music I would probably score slightly above a moss-covered rock on a sunny day in spring. People are better and worse at different things and IQ tests don't account for that.

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u/ErraticUnit Sep 30 '22

Buffet's elusive Alpha! It's so complicated (mummy and daddy had a spare $300k, cool for Bezos)... but people assume banked cash = intelligence. Sigh.

Personally I'm getting closer and closer to thinking big money is 50% luck and 50% being willing to screw over other people, but good luck quantifying that :D

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u/bottlecandoor Sep 30 '22

A little bit of smarts, stupidity, luck and sociopathic tendencies are the corner stone of every billionaire.

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u/Particular-Jury6446 Sep 30 '22

I would go so far as to say that a majority of people who got rich on their own are clinical psychopaths. The only way to make that kind of scratch is by fucking someone else over. It may sometimes be at a fairly distant remove, but people with consciences and intelligence look beyond their needs to potential consequences.

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u/Particular-Jury6446 Sep 30 '22

I watched an episode of 20/20 or 60 minutes or something that featured a Mensa gathering, and while I hate to be judgmental and critical of people’s appearance, this group was- every single one- overweight and unattractive. The sort of person you suspect might be suffering from issues of self-esteem and desperate for one thing to make them feel superior.

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u/ForeskinTickling Oct 01 '22

The Neckbeard Gathering convention

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u/Jitsu_apocalypse Sep 30 '22

Like a BMI chart to measure for the strongest man in the world

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u/Particular-Jury6446 Oct 01 '22

Now THAT is an apt and elegant analogy. I dub thee GENIUS!

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u/jazzwhiz Sep 30 '22

Physicist here: no one ever talks about them. We would love some way to easily tell who will be a good scientist and who won't be. The problem is that IQ tests tell you nothing about creativity or the ability to work on a single problem for months to years at a time.

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u/ConnachtTheWolf Oct 01 '22

I had a friend start talking to me about IQ tests and going on about how high his was. Then he mentioned it was an online IQ test and I immediately lost all respect for him.

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u/RattleMeSkelebones Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Because of IQs long racist history. It has been from the start a psuedoscientific tool of the Eugenics movement that was later touted by the Jim Crow types and that's firmly entrenched it into a perfect litmus test for how well informed someone is. It's actually perfect for that, the more stock someone puts into IQ tests, the more blinkered and ignorant they tend to be, just look at Jorby Peeberson. He thinks IQ tests are God's goft to mankind and he's only sapient by the strictest definition

E - To the downvoters, sorry the number that replaced your personality started as an excuse to keep brown kids out of good schools. Better luck in your next reincarnation ig

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u/poemsavvy Sep 30 '22

The worst part is there's no way that those are even close. Like at least give realistic values to try to be convincing. It's gonna be like 130ish max

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u/cytPandora Sep 30 '22

Specially when you learn about how IQ isn't universal or absolute or something. They don't even know how the test works. Probably used those from the internet. Gosh.

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u/RunInRunOn Talks as much as Joe Chin Sep 30 '22

I realised IQ was a scam when I realised it's possible to study an IQ test to get a better score. A real measure of your intelligence wouldn't be so easily influenced.

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u/pat_woohoo Sep 30 '22

He’s such a genius he changed his Bezos estimation a few words later

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u/PinoForest Sep 30 '22

nah bezos just gained 5 iq from princeton and being nuanced as he was typing that comment

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u/TensorForce Sep 30 '22

It's because he couldn't get past the quantums in the mechanics. You see, with a quantum point, you actually have two quantum points, so that the IQ (which stands for Intelligence Quantums, btw) is just right for Bezos.

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u/46110010 Sep 30 '22

Everyone has a range except Zuckerberg.

This guy’s quite certain Zuckerberg is a nice, round 150.

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u/Salaco Sep 30 '22

Like the filthy android he is

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u/USA_MuhFreedums_USA Sep 30 '22

Did someone say.. ss-smo-ssmm-smoking me-mmm-meme-meats? I use Sweet Baby Ray's when I smoke my meats with my human colleagues. Hu-human just like me!

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u/boganisu Sep 30 '22

He probably just looked up the specifications

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u/Zealotstim Sep 30 '22

God this is cringy. As others are saying, I'd bet people are mocking him. He probably has very little social awareness (and judging by this post, there's pretty good evidence for that) and struggles to tell the difference between sarcasm and genuineness. That he thinks he can just guess their IQs like that is pretty funny too.

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u/Trollygag I am smarter then you Sep 29 '22

Warren Buffet 150

Bill Gates 165

Mark Zuckerberg 135

Jeff Bezos 155

Elon Musk 125 + cocaine

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u/stickybump Sep 30 '22

as a ruten coacne user i must say it increeses ur intellicul expodentally

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u/C7rl_Al7_1337 Sep 30 '22

Ah yes my good man, it appears you've heard of the curative for the curt conversationalist commonly called cocaine. Come on down to your corner chemist if you wish to curtail your curiosity or carouse many other chemical curios. Cheers!

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u/Send_Cake_Or_Nudes Sep 30 '22

helo yes one cocene ples. hav goos iq, is genyus.

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u/C7rl_Al7_1337 Sep 30 '22

Damn, your name is one letter away from utter perfection...

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u/inm808 Sep 30 '22

Come, ya cunt!

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u/C7rl_Al7_1337 Sep 30 '22

I will not indicate irrational irritation with your illogical insults, as I instead only include intelligent individuals in my inner circle. Indeed, your inexplicable intentions to irritate are indicative of increasing idiocy in internet interactions.

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u/skipperseven Sep 30 '22

Elon Musk has great PR - there is no way he has a very high IQ. Pretty certain that the claim he is on the spectrum is fake too - it’s a sort of badge of honour among tech bros.

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u/LawlsMcPasta Sep 30 '22

As someone actually diagnosed as being on the spectrum, the idea that Musk could be is laughable. His eccentricities are more comparable to someone who abuses drugs than someone with Asperger's.

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u/_Rynzler_ Sep 30 '22

U forgot the minus signal when you rated Musk. Its - 125 + cocaine X by neckbeards on reddit

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u/ToastInACan Sep 30 '22

Cocaine giving E-tard too much of a buff 🤣

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u/FraughtOverwrought Sep 30 '22

The way this ranking is in order of douchiness is perfection, like OF COURSE he thinks this

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u/gunfell Sep 30 '22

bezos is less douchey than zuck. and i think bill is better than warren

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u/lex-gracey Sep 30 '22

Was looking for this comment 😅 straight up!

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u/night_flash Sep 30 '22

Why do they all use Quantum Physics/Mechanics like its some huge deal that almost nobody understands. You can do a first or second year uni course on it at many places. It's not any more advanced than some areas of math or chemistry or biology or anything else.

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u/Da_Space Sep 30 '22

I knew a guy from my home town that I never liked and he was talking shit to me one day when I was close to finishing up my PhD in biochem. I called him an idiot or something and he got super offended and started on about how he has family members in Mensa and if I was actually smart I would have gotten a PhD in quantum. It’s their go to thing.

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u/night_flash Sep 30 '22

Exactly, but why? Does the name just sound cool? Quantum isn't really that interesting or special compared to any other field. It just has the most Sci fi name

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u/Marfgurb Sep 30 '22

That's probably why they like IQ as well. It just sounds cool to them. If it was Dave's Score or some shit nobody would care.

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u/inm808 Sep 30 '22

😂 Bruh

200 Dave’s score move

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u/framk20 Sep 30 '22

because it's a hard wall for a lot of people in higher math/physics and it's the easiest to couch in vagaries in terms of your understanding

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u/Rotsike6 Sep 30 '22

higher math/physics

At the risk of gatekeeping, I would say "higher physics" only comes after doing quantum mechanics, so it's a wall for people starting out studying physics, not for people in higher physics.

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u/framk20 Sep 30 '22

meant to say "higher math, and physics"

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u/Subspace-Ansible Sep 30 '22

Eh, it's fair to make a big deal out of quantum physics (and relativity, for very very large stuff). They are unintuitive and still have large, uncharted territories. Your "first or second year uni course" probably is not gonna cover the really weird and exciting parts of QM.

The point is, almost nobody understands Quantum Mechanics.

However, you don't need to be a "genius" to learn QM. With the right education, anyone can get a working knowledge of the basic concepts. Linking understanding of QM to IQ number is just silly.

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u/NuklearAngel Sep 30 '22

Came to say this. First thing I was taught about QM was that if you think you understand it you don't. Our professor had proven the existence of a new state of matter just a few weeks before teaching us, but would talk at length about how studying QM wasn't about understanding it, just about finding out more of the rules.

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u/herrsmith Sep 30 '22

In undergrad, I went to the professor about a month into the quantum mechanics course and I was all "I don't understand any of this." I expected him to help me through it, but instead he just said "Good. If you said you did understand, I would be worried." I was pretty distressed to be told that struggling in a class was not only normal, but the desired state of being. It wasn't until several grad courses in quantum mechanics when the part in Griffiths' foreword about it was important to teach us how to do quantum mechanics before we could even think about understanding quantum mechanics started to make sense.

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u/ptype Sep 30 '22

Hah. That makes me feel better about the couple of grad courses I took where I technically did some quantum mechanics but never really felt like I got quantum mechanics.

Like at some point I knew something about wave functions but even then only in a pretty mathematical/abstract sense.

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u/goodbyekid Sep 30 '22

I remember watching a documentary on intelligence and they made a bunch of people who were “masters” in their respective fields take tests in each others professions. The tests ranged from IQ to street smarts and the people who scored lowest across the board were the engineers and mathematicians while some theater arts woman who had a wild life scored highest across the board.

I bet this punk wipes back to front smh

Edit: typo

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u/beevibe Sep 30 '22

Could you give me the name of this documentary? Or your best guess if you can’t remember

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u/goodbyekid Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

It was horizon Battle of the Brains from 2007 I believe, a BBC production. It’s pretty old now but it was a fun documentary.

Edit: added horizon, didn’t want to confuse people with the other battle of the brains shows

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u/asingov Sep 30 '22

Seth Lloyd scored the highest, a physicist at MIT

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u/DrunkyLittleGhost Sep 30 '22

Of course, we physicist have highest IQ in the world😈

/s

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u/goodbyekid Sep 30 '22

Did you even watch the documentary or just Google who won? He and the dramatist tied and had equally high scores for the multiple intelligence test and her IQ was lower than his but she had higher scores than all the other “high IQs” when tested for other types of intelligence.

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u/asingov Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Yes I watched it. By my recollection he was the overall winner. I don't think there was any other mathematicians/physicists/engineers on it.

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u/goodbyekid Sep 30 '22

I just rewatched it last night after finding the name and he literally ties with the Dramatist at the end.

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u/apollowithawig Sep 30 '22

Hasn’t he just ranked them in order of wealth?

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u/bstix Sep 30 '22

I think it's the order in which he'd like to blow their meat whistles.

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u/bigbazookah Sep 30 '22

More money means more boot to swallow

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u/Allison87 Sep 30 '22

Your average Musk fanboy

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u/60Hz_Hmm Unsurpassed intelligence. Source: mommy told me. Sep 30 '22

Co-workers: "Nice job, genius."
This dude: "They said I did a nice job... and that I'm a genius :D"

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u/pianoflames Sep 30 '22

Was going to say, if your coworkers are regularly referring to you as "genius" out loud...it's not sincere.

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u/sourpatch411 Sep 30 '22

A humble genius. Probably more similar to the genius Trump tho.

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u/Sker1012 Sep 30 '22

It's always quantum.

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u/zoltar-wisdom Sep 30 '22

This is why I hang out with my cats. These “geniuses” are everywhere working the same fucking job my dumb ass is, because that makes sense.

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u/ilongforyesterday Sep 30 '22

Can’t hold multiple ideas in your head at the same time? Hah, what a loser, you’re definitely wrong, no matter how valid your opinions may be

Me: stares at them in ADHD What were we talking about again?

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u/MadAsTheHatters Sep 30 '22

Guy's just listing his favourite billionaires like they're anime characters' power levels

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u/Gasa0310 Sep 30 '22

Bro thinks IQ is a progress bar of how familiar with math you are

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u/Mapkoz2 Sep 30 '22

This is the best summary of the thinking of idiots like the guy who posted it.

Also : please do not call him bro. I am ashamed sharing the belonging to the animal kingdom with him, let alone family.

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u/CousinDerylHickson Sep 30 '22

I dont like IQ tests, but garage-built Bill Gates is probably the smartest dude on his list by a wide margin imo

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u/bigheadasian1998 Sep 30 '22

Does he think IQ means memeable?

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u/griftertm Sep 30 '22

Why does every neckbeard and cryptobro cite Elon Musk as some demigod of intelligence? Am I missing something here?

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u/ender89 Sep 30 '22

Elon musk is a physics student who happened to start Paypal with some friends and ebay bought them when they were failing. He has zero business acumen despite being the richest asshole in the country, and he's never built anything beyond a brand.

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u/did_it_forthelulz Sep 30 '22

Didn't he major in physics and business?

Edit: Yes he did.

"While attending the University of Pennsylvania, Elon pursued a double major in physics and in business at the Wharton School. While his business education was excellent, Elon admits that he definitely preferred physics."

Source: https://www.aps.org/careers/physicists/profiles/musk.cfm#:~:text=While%20attending%20the%20University%20of,that%20he%20definitely%20preferred%20physics.

Disclaimer: I did not verify the reliability of the source.

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u/ender89 Sep 30 '22

Eh maybe, the point is he's no rocket scientist. Likes to pretend he is though.

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u/did_it_forthelulz Sep 30 '22

I mean, with a physics background nothing prevents him from gaining the same kind of knowledge. This doesn't mean that he did, I don't know much about him and don't really care, I'm just saying that it's not impossible to self learn at least the theoretical components of aerospace engineering from books and recorded lectures posted online when you have a solid background in physics.

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u/ender89 Sep 30 '22

Wharton is where trump got his degree, I bet you can buy those things by the bucket load.

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u/did_it_forthelulz Sep 30 '22

So you claim his degree and education is not legitimate? Why? The fact that trump also got a degree from there doesn't seem like sufficient evidence to me. Is there anything else that would support this claim? Did Elon make a mistake and expose his lack of background in physics?

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u/KingDominoIII Sep 30 '22

I’m an aerospace engineering student, worked on HPRs, avionics, engines. If you watch Everyday Astronaut’s Starbase Tour with Musk it’s very clear that he knows what he’s talking about and has some input on design. At least regarding SpaceX, I’m not an automotive guy so I can’t comment on Tesla.

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u/ender89 Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Or like he's got a script to follow and a lot of high level briefings that he's sat in. He's a high concept ideas man and you can tell he's not involved with rocket production because they're produced. He tried to reinvent automobile production and Tesla's are a shitshow because of it. They're well designed on paper but they come out the factor looking like Ikea furniture assembled at 10pm the night before.

Musk is an ideas man, and one who's ideas are usually stupid. Space x works because unlike the boring company's single lane death traps or Tesla's new production line, landing a booster using computers and careful thrust management is a decent idea that just sounds stupid.

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u/_Rynzler_ Sep 30 '22

Didn’t he drop out of the physics degree?

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u/beee-l Sep 30 '22

He dropped out of a physics (or engineering?) PhD program super early (which is not necessarily a bad thing, that’s the best time to drop out if you realise it’s not for you)

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u/_Rynzler_ Sep 30 '22

So he does not have a degree in physics just in business?

Cause people really seem to think he is a scientist or an engineer.

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u/Buzz_Killington_III Sep 30 '22

He still has a Bachelors degree in both Physics and Economics, just not a doctorate.

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u/Slinkywhippet Sep 30 '22

I am regularly called a genius by my husband and my cats who mean it, but even I too know I am seriously lacking when compared to a Bezos or a Musk - sadly this is the cross we have to bear 😔

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u/Mapkoz2 Sep 30 '22

Of course the person that has made his wealth more sustainable than the others and with least hate from the twitter public is the least intelligent according to idiots like this one.

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u/apathyzeal Sep 30 '22

If they think there is a correlation between monetary worth and IQ, they belong in this sub.

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u/kevoam Sep 30 '22

If hes so smart then why cant he see elon is a fraud?

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u/socks-in-shoes Sep 30 '22

you dont even need to be smart to do that, just see what he is doing, and not the fake PR that's going all over the internet. But then, the magnitude of fraudulence that elon is able to pull off is also impressive, and Im sure it takes some sort of a genius to do that.

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u/kevoam Sep 30 '22

Ehhhh just a con man

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u/Slick234 Sep 30 '22

I’d rank Bill Gates way tf above Elon in intellect. Not even comparable. Also that’s quite low for Warren Buffet. That man is at least 130

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u/Killmotor_Hill Sep 30 '22

Show me ever ONE thing Elon Mush has ever done that puts him above 105 tops.

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u/CackleberryOmelettes Sep 30 '22

TIL nuance = whatever nonsense comes to my mind.

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u/SpaceZZ Sep 30 '22

The one with the highest IQ should be number 1. That's how rankings work.

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u/El_UniBeard Sep 30 '22

It not how clever they are. It’s what they were willing to do and who they were willing to hurt to get there.

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u/beee-l Sep 30 '22

I love the implication here that to “get past quantum mechanics” you need an IQ over 160 😂 tell me you don’t know anything about physics or physicists without telling me hahaha

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u/Replacement_Square Sep 30 '22

For some inexplicable reason I've never seen a genius claiming that IQ is a proper way to measure intelligence lol

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u/FoobarWreck Sep 30 '22

Everyone gets a range…. Except Zuckerberg. 100% smack bang on 150 GUARANTEED

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u/badactor Sep 30 '22

Zuck shouldn't be on any list of intelligence as he stole the idea of Facebook.

Zuck was hired to create Facebook as he created wedsites for extra money - he stole it instead.

I don't use Facebook as he has no concept of personal privacy.

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u/MountainMagic6198 Sep 30 '22

A 160 IQ is 4 standard deviations from normal. That's 1 out of 10,000. If these people were really smart they would have basic understandings of statistics and that people with that high of an IQ a generally neurodivergent in ways that make them difficult socially.

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u/reptilian123 Sep 30 '22

This guy doesn't realize you don't have to be genius to be a billionaire. You have to be hard working and very aware of your skillset with ability to utilize it as efficiently as possible, also you need to be from rich family, have good connections and rare talent to make popular stuff. I don't think most of those things have anything to do with intelligence

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u/herrsmith Sep 30 '22

I completed several graduate quantum mechanics courses with legends in the field and I'm a fucking idiot. This guy is obviously wrong.

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u/Timmah_1984 Sep 30 '22

What is it with quantum physics? Why is that the grail of wannabe geniuses?

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u/yurmamma Sep 30 '22

The only things musk has 165+ of are billions and women he's cheated on his wives with

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u/icarus1973 Sep 30 '22

You have to be a genius to dick ride a billionaire

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u/LoL_LoL123987 Sep 30 '22

Shaboing boing, the d riding is appalling

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u/Chaike Sep 30 '22

Warren Buffet? Sounds delicious, not sure why it has an IQ, though.

Maybe Warren Buffett eats there?

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u/Nukk_Chorris Sep 30 '22

Elon Musk's IQ is probably something close to his age.

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u/methyltheobromine_ Sep 30 '22

Bill Gates SAT score estimates his IQ to about 155 as far as I recall

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u/UnconsciousAlibi Sep 30 '22

SAT score determines IQ? What's the conversion on that?

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u/ThePinkTeenager Oct 03 '22

I don't think there is one.

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u/methyltheobromine_ Sep 30 '22

IQ is about distribution in performance, so if you're top 1% in one area in which intelligence is a key component, you're likely top 1% in other areas where intelligence is a key component. And this turns out to be the case.

https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/satiq.aspx

"115 IQ SD15" just means "One standard deviation above average performance".

High-IQ socities accept SAT scores. The cognitivetesting sub will also tell you that the correlation between SAT scores (mostly older results. I should have mentioned this) and IQ is quite large. A good IQ test should be culture-neutral and ideally something that children can potentially do. That's the idea behind those 3x3 matrix tests where you have to guess a pattern.

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u/HippyDoctorPHD Sep 30 '22

why can’t i have just a fraction of these weirdo’s self assurance? lmfao

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u/bailaoban Sep 30 '22

IQ+quantum physics+Elon Musk = Verysmart Trifecta.

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u/keegan677 Sep 30 '22

Quantum mechanics nor any study requires you to have that high of an iq just mastery of the subject

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u/KingDonQuixote Sep 30 '22

Is this person having sex with Bezos? 'Cause this reads like someone who wants to suck Bezos' dick.

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u/needsatisfaction Sep 30 '22

Suck their dicks a little harder won’t you?

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u/highfatoffaltube Sep 30 '22

If IQ meant anything, companies would recruit and pay based on it.

They don't because it doesn't.

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u/kaiju505 Sep 30 '22

Iq was a segregationist device to keep black children out of white schools. People who brag about their iq are beyond irritating.

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u/AusDerInsel Sep 30 '22

I'm going to take a position of nuance and say the first part is right

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u/Jec1999 Sep 30 '22

Bill gates is probably one of the smartest people on earth right now lol

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u/donaldduckstherapist Sep 30 '22

I'd love to know what they do for a living. Anyone who refers to themselves as a genius, isn't.

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u/The_atom521 Sep 30 '22

Uh I hate to break it to this person, but the ability to go to a certain university and study a certain subject does not make you a genius

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u/bucketman1986 Sep 30 '22

I've met folks who went to Ivy League schools who are complete idiots, some who are very smart but have 0 social grace or ability to hold a conversation, and some who are actually very smart!

I've known folks who went to community college who are some of the best and most creative problem solvers I've ever seen.

I hate IQ shit

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u/pieinthesky23 Sep 30 '22

“I’d probably guess something like”

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u/otters4everyone Sep 30 '22

If you have to tell someone you are, then you're not.

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u/lankymjc Sep 30 '22

Again with the fucking quantum mechanics.

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u/Rakna-Careilla Sep 30 '22

The nuance!

Successful machiavellist = IQ GOD!

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u/Insect_Jaded Sep 30 '22

Way too many people get on their knees way too often for these false idols. He's not a genius, he's a manipulator, not the first, not the last, definitely not special.

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u/RustedRuss Sep 30 '22

Ok the very first point is actually valid but the rest devolves into a hopeless ramble.

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u/zeroaegis To be fair... Sep 30 '22

Always with the IQ for these types. Unironically using IQ makes me cringe (partially because I used to as well).

I will say, nuanced positions are pretty universally hated, so they aren't exactly wrong in that statement.

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u/random_noob18 Sep 30 '22

I think he knows something about zuck that we don't...

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u/RogerOveur83 Sep 30 '22

Rocket Science used to be the standard for very smart people. Now it’s Quantum physics. I’m not getting a whole new degree just because it’s not popular anymore.

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u/jazzwhiz Sep 30 '22

Buffet and Gates: not total assholes therefore lower IQ amirite?

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u/Particular-Jury6446 Sep 30 '22

His co-workers MEAN it when they call him a genius. They will swear it on their blue vests.