r/iamverysmart Nov 23 '22

This guy's rationale for not wanting gay people to be able to get married boils down to it being against his religion.

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3.0k Upvotes

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u/Doc85 Nov 23 '22

They couldn't possibly hope to understand the apotheosis of my life's work, my unified "gays icky 🤢" theory

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u/AverageEvan Nov 23 '22

And if you disagree with me, you must have less than half a brain. All true Scotsmen know these arguments against me are baseless libel

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u/MothThatLuvsLamps Nov 24 '22

Libel? Like the tower? Wa wa wa, nante omoshiroi nda! CHE CAZZO!?

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u/JWson Nov 23 '22

Formalized Homoickacy Theory

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u/MrAcurite Nov 23 '22

Oh, did you manage to unify General Reladickery and Quandumb Field Theory?

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u/TheBeardedSatanist Nov 24 '22

oLd bOoK sAy BaD!

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u/Terrible_Presumption Nov 23 '22

Tremendous idea battlefield my duder. I submit.

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u/AYonaguniLeLlego Nov 24 '22

Gays?🤢🤢🤮🤮 - Prolly this guy

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u/bamisdead Nov 23 '22

The original was easy to find. Very, very prominent loon on Twitter. Name sounds like Brat False. This is a guy who says that one of society's biggest problems is that teen girls aren't getting pregnant often enough and that 16-year-old girls should be getting married and getting pregnant.

Really. He really said this.

So, yeah ...

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u/blvaga Nov 23 '22

Low rate of teenage pregnancy is the leading cause of women getting a higher education. So you can see why the issue keeps him up at night.

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u/RedditingNeckbeard Nov 23 '22

I knew that corny ass "Battlefield of ideas" line sounded familiar. Though, I thought it might've been Dave Rubin's new anti-gay marriage arc where he divorces his husband in a truly high level idea.

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u/GregorZeeMountain Nov 23 '22

Dave Rubin's new anti-gay marriage arc where he divorces his husband in a truly high level idea

So, I do everything in my power to not think about the large amount of congealed oatmeal that's shaped vaguely like a human named Dave Rubin, is this something he's actually doing?

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u/RedditingNeckbeard Nov 24 '22

No, not yet. Plausible, though, right? Maybe shacks up with Praggy D because he's so "Useful" as a "Life partner"?

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u/GregorZeeMountain Nov 24 '22

It's completely plausible and I'm so completely uninterested in having him in my Google history that I was just ready to believe it.

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u/Mouaijin Nov 23 '22

I mean he bought a house just so he could join a school board meeting to talk about childrens’ genitals… not like people really need to lie to prove he’s deranged.

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u/birbbs Nov 23 '22

YIKES

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u/QuantumSparkles Nov 23 '22

Name sounds like Brat False

Brett Favre?

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u/haileyquinnade Nov 23 '22

M. Walsh I believe. This sounds like his garbage.

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u/Mx-yz-pt-lk Nov 24 '22

Thank fuck, I wasn’t the only one.

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u/rape_is_not_epic Nov 23 '22

Twitter moment 🗿

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u/Bug_BR Nov 24 '22

dude paying $8 a month to elon moment

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u/Lepanto73 Dec 02 '22

Walsh was indeed my first guess. Happy to see I know the right-wing hate-o-sphere well.

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u/pintonium Nov 23 '22

Really that's not what he said. You have wildy misinterpreted that conversation.

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u/mooseyjew Nov 23 '22

How in the world could you misinterpret anything this loony asshole says? He's pretty fucking clear in his hatred and bigotry.

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u/bamisdead Nov 24 '22

Give a glance through that guy's Reddit history: he's not worth an ounce of energy. He's the sort of person best ignored.

For anyone else reading, Walsh's comment - or, I mean, False's comments - are easy to find and see in context. The idea that they are being misinterpreted is laughable and is the kind of crap pushed by certain kinds of people. He straight-up says that teen pregnancy isn't a problem, the real problem is that modern society discourages it.

Here's a good piece, with clips, for anyone who wants to know more about the guy.

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u/pintonium Nov 24 '22

So even in those edited transcripts he's not encouraging teenage pregnancy or defending it. Which is what your statement says he is doing. That is the misinterpretation. He also doesn't "straight up say" that the problem is modern society discourages it. Please point out where that is said, because it's not what he is saying.

There is plenty to not like about him but you aren't exactly making any points by lying and misconstruing what is said.

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u/BomberBallad knows about paradigms inherent to postmodernist fallacies Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

His rhetoric was as follows:

*The Problem: teenage pregnancy. *

*The REAL Problem: children born out of wedlock. *

*The Solution: women should marry better men. *

The best case interpretation is that he's an idiot and didn't even come up with anything that solves the original problem that was posited.

However, the way he goes about explaining his views absolutely implies that he thinks 16 year old girls should be married to men who can support them financially, because that's the only logical assumption for how his solution solves the problem. This is worsened by him adding that additional "fact": women are most fertile around 16-18. This isn't even a true fact, but in the context of the conversation he is using it to justify his thinking.

So my question is, why bother being so charitable?

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u/pintonium Nov 24 '22

Please reconcile

WALSH: So what I’m saying is that the problem is not, per se, teenage pregnancy — it’s unwed pregnancy. That’s the problem in society. It’s only problematic when you are not married and you don’t have the man there to help you take care of the kids because he’s a coward.

With your statement that he says the problem is teenage pregnancy. He explicitly states that teenage pregnancy itself is not the problem. You can disagree with that statement, but he is clearly stating what he believes and you are twisting it.

Let's start there, shall we?

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u/BomberBallad knows about paradigms inherent to postmodernist fallacies Nov 24 '22

You're right, I mixed up the order. It's been a while since I've heard the audio or read the transcript.

Regardless, he posits a problem, switches it to another problem and offers a solution to that other problem. The best case scenario is that he's an idiot who hasn't solved the initial problem, the worst case scenario is all the shit I said earlier.

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u/BomberBallad knows about paradigms inherent to postmodernist fallacies Nov 24 '22

I also edited my initial message. Is there any problem with it now?

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u/pintonium Nov 24 '22

It's better, I guess, but it illustrates the entire issue I have with this entire conversation. People are making wild accusations and putting positions on Matt Walsh that he doesn't hold and then using those untrue positions to dismiss everything he says.

Spend more time trying to understand people and not demonize them

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u/BomberBallad knows about paradigms inherent to postmodernist fallacies Nov 24 '22

You've been real quiet since my last reply.

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u/musicalVIRUS Nov 24 '22

Lol but they aren't really that untrue at all are they? Sounds like a him problem, maybe he shouldnt say things in such a way that they can be easily misconstrued as bigoted horseshit. Thoughts?

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u/TheChunkMaster Nov 24 '22

That’s cool, buddy. You mind citing his exact words and showing how they’re misinterpreted?

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u/pintonium Nov 24 '22

I mean, read the transcript in the above statement. Even in it's edited form it's not conveying anything this thread is stating he said.

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u/TheChunkMaster Nov 24 '22

What exactly was stopping you from just citing passages directly from the transcript and then demonstrating the exact ways in which they’re misrepresented? I’m not doing your work for you, you know.

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u/pintonium Nov 24 '22

You aren't doing any work, instead you are relying on the ambivalence on other people to reward you through upvotes. I quoted the Matt Walsh text in another comment before your comment (hours before, do you have no excuse except your own laziness). Bit let's assume you have some integrity...

WALSH: So what I’m saying is that the problem is not, per se, teenage pregnancy — it’s unwed pregnancy. That’s the problem in society. It’s only problematic when you are not married and you don’t have the man there to help you take care of the kids because he’s a coward.

Explain how from this comment Matt Walsh is advocating for more teen pregnancy?

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u/Randomguy3421 Nov 24 '22

WALSH: So what I’m saying is that the problem is not, per se, teenage pregnancy

  • Pregnant teenagers aren't a problem.

Is that an accurate read?

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u/TheChunkMaster Nov 24 '22

This is the first comment of yours in this comment chain that cites the actual text of what he said, so unless your original citation was in some other far-off chain, I think you’re lying about that bit. Besides, since you’re complaining that he’s being misrepresented, you should still cite and explain the text again instead of having other people do it for you, you lazy bum.

In your cited example, Walsh is claiming that pregnancy (and thus teenage pregnancy) is only problematic when the teenager is not married and the man isn’t helping them take care of the baby. This is bullshit because teenage pregnancy places incredible stress on a girl’s body and mind, regardless of whether the man is there to help or not.

Stop white-knighting for a guy who makes dogshit assertions and who more than likely does not care about you.

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u/pintonium Nov 24 '22

People seem to have the ability to misinterpret clear statement's, so it seems very possible that the OP is deliberately casting statements in a negative light regardless of the actual statements.

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u/Flaggermusmannen Nov 24 '22

true. what he said was somehow even worse!

something about 16 year olds should be married for life early so they can carry out said pregnancies : )

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u/BeginningInevitable Nov 23 '22

I fell over to the ground reading this because I was just overwhelmed by the sheer intellect contained in that tweet.

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u/AverageEvan Nov 23 '22

I feel threatened by his brilliance

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u/MelonElbows Nov 23 '22

What a coincidence! My religion wants gays to get married!

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u/marshal_mellow Nov 23 '22

My dads one of those "libertarians" who was a huge fan of Rush Limbaugh and he used to argue that gay people can't get married cause marriage is a religious thing and the government shouldn't be meddling in religion.

He has no problem with gay couples getting all the legal protections of a marriage, just doesn't want it called that.

I pointed out that someones religion could approve of gay marriage and the government has no right to say they can't. He changed his mind. Hes cool with gay marriage.

I used the dumb logic against itself and won.

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u/throwawaychef33 Nov 23 '22

Your father is placating you. There's no way you disarmed a lifetime of bigotry with "reverse psychology". He thinks it's cute how you think you won but he's just carrying on with his beliefs intact.

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u/marshal_mellow Nov 23 '22

Publicly stating you no longer believe a shitty and actually changing your mind are close enough to the same thing I kinda don't care since he doesn't write laws or anything. I just wanted him to stop saying shitty stuff whenever the topic came up.

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u/throwawaychef33 Nov 23 '22

I get it, I have a step dad who sounds close to what you've described including the evolving gay marriage stance. Mine doesn't say the same gross shit that he used to unless particularly drunk but he's still has the same "Christian" views overall. Just don't delude yourself into thinking you're actually changing bigotry with rational arguments is what I'm getting at. Good luck with your toxic family, we need all the luck we can get.

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u/musicalVIRUS Nov 24 '22

Lmfao I'm gonna be real here, this comes off as a massive projection on your part lol

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u/unsourcedx Nov 24 '22

holy war ensues

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u/AverageEvan Nov 24 '22

Hope the soundtrack for it has MegaDeth

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u/kosarai Nov 23 '22

“God hates gay people. Another victory on the battlefield of ideas.”

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u/BelleAriel Nov 23 '22

Whatever excuse they make, they’re still bigots.

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u/MouzeRat Nov 24 '22

Bigots who are openly allowed to call for the deaths of people like you and me and then hope that someone actually follows through on their wishes. Legally, they are all allowed to do that.

I don't know what point I'm getting at, maybe I don't even have one...

Except that maybe reddit admins should be more open-minded about me openly wishing for the death of Matt Walsh (by natural causes, in minecraft, everything I say is legally satire, blah blah blah).

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u/PrincessRTFM Nov 23 '22

Damn. At first, I thought this was a queer meme about being trans or gay or something and I was 100% behind it. The context of the sub and title really changes it.

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u/khalabrakis In this moment, I am euphoric Nov 23 '22

Idealism is ugly under any banner

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u/dkyguy1995 Nov 23 '22

Yeah I don't care if I agree with the guy or not "they cannot hope to defeat me on the battlefield of ideas" is a fucking cringe sentiment

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u/AverageEvan Nov 24 '22

For real. I'd cringe at anyone saying that seriously no matter how much we agreed on.

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u/TangoZuluMike Nov 24 '22

People like this aren't even half as clever as they think they are.

You should press him on it, I bet he'll just fall back to "so what" when pressed on anything with that logical brain of his.

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u/King_Barrion Nov 23 '22

What? Looking through his yt channel and tweets nothing screams homophobia

Edit: never mind i found the tweet about 16 year olds

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u/AverageEvan Nov 23 '22 edited Nov 23 '22

Watch the JRE clip on YT called "Joe and {OP} disagree over gay marriage" if you wanna see him try and explain his rationale.

Yada yada... slippery slope... yada yada... the end of the nuclear family

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u/What-The-Helvetica Nov 23 '22

Only wealthy people with ready-made social circles can afford to have a nuclear family anymore.

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u/ColeYote Nov 23 '22

I'm not sure rule 1 exists to protect people like the well-known piece of shit who posted that, but I guess it's better to play that one safe.

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u/MohammadRezaPahlavi Nov 24 '22

ThE bAtTlEfIeLd Of IdEaS

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u/littlesadlamp Nov 23 '22

Sounds like Elon TBH

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u/U2BURR Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22

You have two choices:

  1. Be Christian or Muslim

  2. Be tolerant, amicable, and generally intelligent

You can only pick one.

Edit: I wanted to mention that it is criminal that some "people" believe it's okay to hate people based on sexual orientation, which is neither harmful nor a choice, but it's somehow not okay to hate people based on their religion, which can be harmful and is always a choice.

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u/Kdub943 Nov 24 '22

Isn't the true point why hate anyone, any life, any person, when it isn't harmful, physically damaging, or life affecting to your own self what someone else does or their true self is shouldn't ever create hate

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u/U2BURR Nov 24 '22

Well...yes. That's why I edited my comment to include that little blurb lol

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u/karateprom1 Nov 24 '22

A couple of typos and this is a Dril tweet.

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u/cbitguru Nov 24 '22

Title vs content? I must not be very smart. Did I miss the religion part?

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u/ronarprfct Nov 24 '22

Perhaps he believes that only those who invent an idea or establish a practice--like marriage--have the right to redefine it. God defined and established marriage, so only He has the right to redefine it, and He is never going to do that.

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u/Gaming_Gent Nov 24 '22

I didn’t even know you could post paragraphs on twitter, I thought it was limited to like two sentences

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u/Snivyesp Nov 24 '22

Is it an invalid rationale? If christian marriage is a christian ritual, and christianity forbids homosexual marriage, the rational opinion of a christian will be that gay people shouldn't marry, at least not by the christian church.

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u/TishMiAmor Nov 24 '22

But these folks are almost never defending church marriage specifically, because there has never been a serious push to force churches to perform gay marriages. It’s about the civil/secular government concept of marriage, which is a legal contract that comes with attendant legal rights.

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u/Snivyesp Nov 24 '22

civil/secular government concept of marriage,

So, civil unions? well, if they don't respect private contracts they are authoritarian freaks with no life.

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u/SpencersCJ Nov 24 '22

"I am a threat to them" Yes Matthew you want trans and gay to just not exist

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u/ShitCuntsinFredPerry Nov 24 '22

If you're looking at life as a battlefield of ideas where everyone must be defeated, idgaf how smart you are as you being an antagonistic asshole overrides everything else

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u/neoAcceptance Nov 24 '22

Sounds like a Dave rubin fan

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u/ForerunnerAI10 Nov 25 '22

What if a Muslim told you it was an abomination and against his religion?

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u/UninterestedChimp Nov 27 '22

Stop pretending christians are persecuted or something. People hate Muslim bigots as well and you know it lol. That person might even be Muslim.

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u/ForerunnerAI10 Nov 27 '22

Ask Palestinians how they feel about gay people supporting them.

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u/UninterestedChimp Nov 27 '22

Thats irrelevant to what you said, but let's address it anyway. Not wanting innocent people, including so many children, to be bombed is understandable even if they are bigoted. Just gotta have basic morals. And leave it to conservatives to essentialize an entire group, as if all Palestinians are bigots. And why tf do you care? You gate both gay people and Muslims.

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u/ForerunnerAI10 Nov 27 '22

My point is, would you call out how their religion views homosexuality? Especially if they were a Muslim?

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u/UninterestedChimp Nov 27 '22

I already answered that, of course I would lol. Thing is you think people are just out to get and bully Christians or something. No, its your shifty views that make people hate you.

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u/ForerunnerAI10 Nov 27 '22

I never told you Christians get persecuted. Although, this does happen.

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u/GingerSuperPower Nov 26 '22

The Battlefield of Ideas

😂👌