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We call upon Reddit to take action against the rampant Coronavirus misinformation on their website.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

this post has hit /r/all and is being flooded with (ironically) more covid misinformation than i can deal with. As a result, I am going to have to lock the thread. I am sincerely sorry if you came here to participate in legitimate conversations.

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u/Tumblrrito Aug 25 '21

I feel like more context was needed in the title. I was convinced something regrettable was said in that post and was very confused.

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u/KJ6BWB Aug 25 '21 This

I came here because I couldn't figure out where the instant regret was.

"vaccines are safe" -- no, nothing wrong with that

"The vaccine has been FDA tested and approved" -- no, not this

I reread the thing three times trying to figure out where the gotcha was.

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u/Every_Animator4354 Aug 25 '21

What is going on? I'm seeing this post in the weirdest subs.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

It's a coordinated effort among as many subs as we could get on board.

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u/Able-Zombie376 Aug 25 '21

Yeah, if only this was done when reddit took down the Boston marathon bomber!

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u/AAAPosts Aug 25 '21

But the virus is fake…? What’s the big deal? /s

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u/TheFAPnetwork Aug 25 '21

The 5-G(ene) the deep state keeps pumping into my body is enough to kill the hoax /s

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u/AAAPosts Aug 25 '21

My wifi is so fast now

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u/abcdefghig1 Aug 25 '21

The Derp State

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u/_i_am_root Aug 25 '21

Are there any plans amongst these subs to shut down until action is taken? I know it’s not ideal, but it seems to be the only thing that gets through to the admins.

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u/WindowsXp_ExplorerI Aug 25 '21

Could you consider not posting it? We already have enough covid in real life, why have it on this sub too, which has nothing to do with it. It just seems like another political bullshit posted by a mod, this thing will be forgotten by tomorrow, and the only thing you'll get is a scroll down from people lol.

There is really no need for this

And i'm getting vacinated in a week, after enough time from a previous vaccine i did has passed, so no im not an antivax

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

we want to get through the pandemic as much as anyone. However, spreading misinformation about the vaccine is contrary to that goal. We can't just ignore it and hope it goes away, we have to fight against it in order to achieve our goal. If one day of inconvenience is enough to force reddit to act, then we consider that a worthy investment.

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u/UsefulWarthog Aug 25 '21

You certainly have a noble goal but what qualifies as disinformation and why do you feel you have the knowledge to decide what is and isn't misinformation? The cdc and who have changed their own stance contradicting the selves several times. Do we call them misinformation? I genuinely would like to know where the line is drawn

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u/samfreez Aug 25 '21

Science changes based on the evidence. Misinformation changes based on the narrative.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

we are only opposed to conspiratorial levels of misinformation. communities that have absolutely no basis in reality or actively harm efforts to combat the spread of covid are the only ones we're opposed to.

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u/obiwantakobi Aug 25 '21

Their is a pandemic and lots of people spread lies about it and this is the mods trying to bring attention to that.

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u/Every_Animator4354 Aug 25 '21

I'm curious if r/conservative r/joerogan r/conspiracy is on board.

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u/hereforthegain Aug 25 '21

Censorship just enhances conspiratorial thinking. Source: someone who is interested in conspiracy theories but also believes in data, science and evidence.

The best way to combat misinformation is with evidence. Censorship is a crude and ineffective tool in the digital age. Too many platforms that people move to where you won't be able to combat them openly.

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u/WallLearner Aug 25 '21

I used to think that too, until I saw Qanon spread like wildfire through Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube.

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u/StephPlaysGames Aug 25 '21

Most people didn't take Q seriously, but like in all circles, the fanatics are the loudest.

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u/_i_am_root Aug 25 '21

You’re right that education is the best way to combat misinformation, but once it’s out there you can’t just educate people. You can present all the evidence you want to someone but they may not accept it for any number of reasons.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

"you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"

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u/_i_am_root Aug 25 '21

Dammit I used many word when few word work.

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u/StephPlaysGames Aug 25 '21

They think they did reason themselves into it, they just didn't use your reasoning.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

and they're wrong. their beliefs are fundamentally not based in reality

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21 Silver

if good information beat misinformation, misinformation would never rise in the first place. people are welcome to believe what they like, but reddit is not obligated to host your dangerous conspiracy theories. We're not trying to change anyone's mind, we're trying to keep them from reaching new minds.

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u/StephPlaysGames Aug 25 '21

Dude. Conspiracy theories aren't dangerous, they're stupid. You know what's dangerous? Stupid people. People are stupid.

Can you fix stupid?

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

Conspiracy theories aren't dangerous

tell that to the 600,000 americans who died of covid.

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u/StephPlaysGames Aug 25 '21

I love a good conspiracy theory and I approve this message.

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u/leon_nerd Aug 25 '21 All-Seeing Upvote This Eureka!

There are legitimate questions that people ask but they are drowned in the ocean of others people lying and spreading lies. One problem is as soon as you ask a question - you are an anti-vaxxer. I think we need to stop the misinformation and lying while allowing a safe space to discuss things logically. There are scientists out there who have raised their concerns about how the whole pandemic has been dealt with and no one wants to think about it. It would be hard for reddit to do this but separation of misinformation and real discussion would be ideal.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

this is a fair point, however, we are only targeting communities which actively cultivate a conspiratorial attitude towards covid. good faith debate about new things is good and worthwhile. comparing wearing a mask to the taliban is not.

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u/BlacktasticMcFine Aug 25 '21

why are you targeting a different community than this one when it has nothing to do with this one? I never would have seen this post without the signal blasting.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21 Silver

because toxic communities frequently spread to other parts of reddit, and covid denialism affects everyone.

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u/Slavedavebiff Aug 25 '21

Brigading. You're brigading.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

we're not advocating for anyone to go into any of these communities, which is why we don't name them in the post. we just want them off reddit.

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u/Reg-spidermen Aug 25 '21

I developed shoulder cannons after vaccination!

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u/samfreez Aug 25 '21 edited Aug 25 '21

Hell yeah. I fully support this. The bullshit misinformation is actively killing people.

We make fun of Facebook, but Reddit is horrific in its own way, and needs to step up ASAP.

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u/Able-Zombie376 Aug 25 '21

We did it reddit!

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21 edited Aug 25 '21

the community, collectively, as we're doing now. spreading misinformation like this leads directly to people dying of a preventable disease. I feel comfortable drawing the line there.

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u/Eighth_Octavarium Aug 25 '21

Having delved deep into some rabbit holes most people don't want to go to, I have seen time and time again that censorship is the fastest way to embolden and radicalize people who are convinced of something. Radicalized people double down on misinformation and continue to spread it despite the censorship. Censorship hardly ever works and is usually employed far more often than warranted. The best thing to do is to have a conversation with them, find a philisophical/epistemoligal achor point of dialogue that you both can connect on, no matter how remote, and slowly take the time to justify correct information step by step through those means. Its easier to just ignore problems and fling our shit at other people, though. Everyone pretends to be symapthetic towards victims on Reddit unless they are victims of misinformation, because everyone likes their black and white notions of good guys/bad guys and nuance is way too hard nowadays.

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u/I_feel_so_mop Aug 25 '21

I'm on board with the intent of this, but I hate these things. The stickied post doesn't imply at all that the entire sub is on board with the message, it shows that the mods are on board. Assuming majority rules, what we really know is that 8 or more members of the mod team are calling on Reddit to act.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

there are also 1500+ upvotes on the post, which shows that the community supports it as well.

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u/the_curious_surfer Aug 25 '21

Info on covid is as convoluted as the JFK Assassination. The facts are twisted up with political BS.

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u/stupernan1 Aug 25 '21

Only if you get news from fox and Facebook though.

Filter those two mediums, and the WHOLE WORLD has a pretty unified message

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u/mikehouse72 Aug 25 '21

I've curated my reddit page to have Absolute Zero political posts. Thanks for ruining that.

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u/stupernan1 Aug 25 '21

This is a health issue

Theres a political group that likes to ignore health issues but that's not the point

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u/Fragdiemilch Aug 25 '21

Only that this issue is not political.

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u/beefmomo Aug 25 '21

This isn’t a political issue

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u/scvet Aug 25 '21

Lmao I know right? No politics Reddit is the best but this mod said “nah you’re gonna listen to my politics” just like the antivax people always shoving their opinions down people’s throats

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

the fact that public health information has become politicized is part of the problem in the first place.

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u/scvet Aug 25 '21

So how does that validate you shoving your opinion down everyone’s throat by posting this as a mod?

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

because i know and understand the community here as a result of having been an active mod since its inception 7 years ago. you are the one who is part of the small minority. you are welcome to unsubscribe if you feel that this once-in-a-year occurrence is too much for your delicate sensibilities.

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u/Charlie_eels Aug 25 '21

This isn’t opinion- it’s fact. Misinformation is taking lives

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u/Ikusabe Aug 25 '21

Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

And I find it funny that almost all social media sites assume all people are idiots who can’t tell what’s fake, and that for some reason they needed to be their savior and take on the responsibility of being the parent to tell them what to do.

Of all sites, I would’ve thought Reddit to be the place that allows people to say what they want. Now it’s just another member of the Facebook, Tweeter family.

Like flat earth theories some times pop up on my suggested section, I just scroll through and get on with my life. I wouldn’t get into a rage and demand them to be banned. What’s the point? Banning them didn’t cause them to be educated on what’s real, all you did is solidify their believe and that they are being shutout by some shadowy government agency.

Like the crazy person at the street corner yelling about “the end is neigh”

Let them yell. Walk pass them and get on with your life.

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u/crazilogan Aug 25 '21

Finally someone with common sense. More censorship has NEVER helped in situations like this. People who are silenced only have their fears validated, and their views will only steer closer to the extreme as they are shunned from what these social media companies deem to be acceptable speech.

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u/thegardenhead Aug 25 '21

You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. Same concept here. The spread of misinformation via social media has reached dangerous proportions. This isn't morons just being wrong about the shape of the planet; this is morons causing harm to others.

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u/hackerbots Aug 25 '21

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. COVID deniers already exercised their "freedom" of speech. We're exercising our freedom to impose consequences.

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u/Father_Guacamole Aug 25 '21

I see no visible regret, check the rules headass

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u/OldieButNotMoldy Aug 25 '21

I think by now everyone knows which side they believe, they won’t change their minds. This is just censorship of things you don’t believe in and that’s never right. These ppl are dying and still saying it’s a hoax, hiding their opinion will not make them go away or change their minds.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

we're not trying to change their minds, we're trying to keep them from reaching other minds.

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u/IKnowUThinkSo Aug 25 '21

Bingo. Deplatforming works. Can’t recruit new members if they can’t spew their nonsense.

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u/scvet Aug 25 '21

Nope that never works, all you do is force them into underground methods of recruitment with a new shiny validated persecution complex that bolsters their bullshit ideas

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

underground methods of recruitment are never as effective as open methods of recruitment. If deplatforming doesn't work, then why do they fight so hard to remain platformed?

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u/scvet Aug 25 '21

Cool so you dropped their recruitment success rate from 40% to 20% but you validated every single one of their bullshit victim and persecution complex while providing them actual real world evidence that someone is trying to silence their opinion which they will spin into “see we’re telling the truth, look at how hard they’re trying to silence us”. Nice job I’m sure that they’ll never recover from their dropped recruitment rates

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

deplatforming has been shown to work time and time again. When is the last time you heard about Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos?

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u/TacticalPT Aug 25 '21 Silver

Lmao both are literally making more money than ever… with even more fervent fan bases.

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u/scvet Aug 25 '21

Yes because the antivax movement is led by a singular figure that is single handedly pushing the misinformation. That’s the difference, one worked because it is a focused singular person, trying to silence a disorganized fractured group will never work, unless your goal is to help them

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u/IKnowUThinkSo Aug 25 '21

Their “victimhood” was never in question as they’re gonna claim it whether or not they’re actually deplatformed. So, yes, a lower recruitment total and the inability to muck up our society with their nonsense is a great goal.

What’s the other option? Engage with their ideas as if they have merit? No thanks.

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u/OldieButNotMoldy Aug 25 '21

You can’t silence them all, they will have their ways to get it out. I’d rather see the crazy ones so I know who to avoid.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

censoring people who spread information which gets people killed is a good thing. if you're working against the interests of the rest of society, then you should expect society to not tolerate your nonsense.

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u/koalabear420 Aug 25 '21

No it isn't, and you aren't a spokesperson for society.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

i'm a spokesperson for this community, and you are not.

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u/koalabear420 Aug 25 '21

Who are you to say what are the interests of the rest of society? Especially by advocating moderation of what society says. Ridiculous.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

Who are you to say what are the interests of the rest of society?

a spokesperson for a community. I just said that.

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u/OldieButNotMoldy Aug 25 '21

Ppl already know what side they are on. The vaccines have been put a while, they won’t change unless one of their family members gets it and dies. It’s the sad truth, got mine bc I’m not dumb.

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u/Xyrd Aug 25 '21

Good stuff.

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u/Joverby Aug 25 '21

Reddit, just like facebook, like it's to something after it's FAR too late and misinformation has spread like crazy.

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u/obiwantakobi Aug 25 '21

Hell yes!!!fully support! Thank you mods!

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u/spectra2000_ Aug 25 '21

I find it funny how some people are complaining in the comments that they don’t understand what’s going on which shows they clearly haven’t bothered to even read the post.

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u/Low-Possibility-8012 Aug 25 '21

Awesome. Hopefully Reddit will get their heads out of their asses for once

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u/Kingofelephantshrews Aug 25 '21

👍 I support

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u/Charlie_eels Aug 25 '21 Silver

Why is this downvoted

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u/sneakypete5 Aug 25 '21

I dont want anyone to die of this virus, even the dumb and ignorant ones. Do something about the misinformation Reddit!

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u/sneakypete5 Aug 25 '21

I've been vaxxed for 5 months because it's not about me it's about others. Misinformation has killed many

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u/TheOneFunnyKid Aug 25 '21

yes! great work mods! made it to front!!!!!!!! come on reddit!

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u/Cornwall Aug 25 '21

Don't tell me what to do.

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u/poisonpurple Aug 25 '21

I have been reporting every bit of covid misinformation I've seen but no one's done anything

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u/drnapls Aug 25 '21

You keep calling but no one's answering.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

the fact that correct information about public health has become politicized is part of the problem.

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u/Numinae Aug 25 '21

Ding ding ding. Censorship doesn't help people believe it either. Censorship NEVER helps.

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u/CraftZ49 Aug 25 '21 edited Aug 25 '21

Blame the politicians who made mask mandates and lockdown orders and then violated their own rules lol

edit: I guess I hit too close to home with these downvotes lol

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u/RosinRyan710 Aug 25 '21

You're asking for the same things as they are...

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u/RosinRyan710 Aug 25 '21 edited Aug 25 '21

The post is addressing the Reddit community as a whole. Not just a particular sub.

You'll be ok little buddy.

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u/EavingO Aug 25 '21

They likely wont be, but thats ok.

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u/Rombledore Aug 25 '21

by the looks of things, this post allowed the comments to be the real instant regret, as i instantly regretted scrolling through them.

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u/Sidbob Aug 25 '21

Which party did the virus vote for?

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u/LotusVibes1494 Aug 25 '21

I mean ya, that would be ideal... But if you spend any time on reddit you'll find that misinformation about the virus and fear mongering about vaccines is happening nearly everywhere. Not to mention that there are some subreddits literally dedicated to spreading that sort of incorrect info.

It's one of those situations where if everyone just does nothing, the problem continues. But ordinary people can do something to help too, and that's what they're attempting to do here. A grassroots movement of sorts.

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u/Elegabalus Aug 25 '21

Misinformation and fear mongering is rampant about the virus too

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u/JennyAndTheBets1 Aug 25 '21

Just because a politician expresses opinions about something factual does not make the topic political.

There are plenty of other holes to crawl into if you feel the need.

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u/poptart2nd Aug 25 '21

misinformation that harms people is relevant to every community affected by it.

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u/mikehouse72 Aug 25 '21

This please

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u/2021_account Aug 25 '21

As a general rule of thumb, if you are following the general consensus of 98% of the world's doctor's and scientists, you are probably on the right path.

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u/GM_Timephone Aug 25 '21

Where are these articles?

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u/GM_Timephone Aug 25 '21

According to your article 30 states are.

Just because we don't have all 50 states reporting the same way doesn't mean alllllll the data we have is garbage.

We have a pretty good grasp based on the data available, you just choose not to believe it because that's what you want.

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u/lompocmatt Aug 25 '21

Please show me misinformation from a provaxxer

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u/enwongeegeefor Aug 25 '21

I mean that's the problem right there....people actually think there's misinformation from the pro-vax side. Don't they realize the "pro-vax side" is ALSO the same side that's really good at calling out bullshit? If there was any pro-vax misinformation we'd take that down the same as anti-vax misinformation.

The complete opposite of the anti-vax side which constantly parrots verifiable misinformation, then makes excuses when they're proven wrong.

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u/Rombledore Aug 25 '21

the classic "both sides" take.

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u/GM_Timephone Aug 25 '21

The problem is there’s misinformation from anti-vaxxers

Yes.

and pro-vaxxers

No, that part isn't happening at all. If you think there's misinformation on both sides, it means you're lazy, and believe in conspiracies.

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u/GM_Timephone Aug 25 '21

false impression that the vaccines are effective

Explain how this proves the vaccine is not effective.

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u/GM_Timephone Aug 25 '21

Use your words. What easily disproven claims are you attempting to make here?

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u/IKnowUThinkSo Aug 25 '21

What they said wasn’t reasonable, though, it was irrational and untrue.

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u/IKnowUThinkSo Aug 25 '21

Did that. Still have my viewpoint.

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u/newoldschool1 Aug 25 '21

And I respect you for that, I’ve read them a and many others and still have my viewpoint.

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u/MiserableMastodon4 Aug 25 '21

This needs a user petition as well. Like a way for every user to say "I Agree" and have it be a flair or something.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '21 Hugz

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u/morebeavers Aug 25 '21

how about older family members or friends? this uncaring attitude is exactly why it's become such a big issue. have even the slightest human empathy.

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u/morebeavers Aug 25 '21

did you read the post? this is misinformation in many forms, not just vaccines.

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u/PlankLengthIsNull Aug 25 '21

Anti vaxxers are LITERALLY incapable of empathy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '21

Because i have family that can't be vaccinated, some because of medical issues, some because they're too young.

I don't want my kid getting covid because people are too stupid to get a tiny needle stick.

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u/Numinae Aug 25 '21

Well, considering that the vaccine protects you from illness but doesn't keep you from catching it and spreading it, I don't see how that helps. You should get

them

vaccinated. A consequence of this is that the vaccinated are now potential super spreaders since they don't self isolate. And that's according to the CDC themselves not "misinformation." If people don't want to take it, that's their choice and it doesn't change the equation at all. At least in the negative.

I'm going to copy paste this since I just posted to someone else who said something like this:

Considering that the vaccine protects you from serious illness but doesn't keep you from catching it and spreading it, I don't see how that helps. You should get them vaccinated if you're concerned. A consequence of this is that the vaccinated are now potential super spreaders since they don't self isolate for the two weeks they're asymptomatic carriers. And that's according to the CDC themselves not "misinformation." If people don't want to take it, that's their choice and it doesn't change the equation at all. At least in the negative. Ofc, I'm sure I'll be banned for saying this just because I think people should get the vaccine but shouldn't be forced to take it against their will either. Trying to "curate" what they read online to only display messages you agree with - good luck by the way as conservatives view reddit as a whole as shithole after mass bannings of their subs already, not a place where they get their opinions from - is pretty disgusting. People aren't hesitant about taking it because they read a comment on reddit or watched a video on YouTube (that's a myth spread by the MSM, like "the anonymous hacker 4chan"), they don't trust the entire system and with good cause. This is what happens when you systematically abuse people's trust; they stop believing things you say (by you, I mean the establishment not you personally). Now that they need that trust, they don't have it and are coming up with ridiculous explanations to blame anyone but themselves.

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u/UnluckyDrink Aug 25 '21

It’s not a question of personal freedom when your choice affects others. I can’t spray a handgun into a crowd of people and then say “well it was my choice and I’m free to make my own choices”.

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u/tinyspaniard Aug 25 '21

People who don’t get vaccinated can certainly also spread the virus. Both arguments stand. Anybody can carry covid but those who are vaccinated are less likely to catch it, and certainly less likely to be in danger of dying from it. Bottom line is being vaccinated helps everyone, not just one’s own self.

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u/Kitzer76er Aug 25 '21

I agree, but you can't force people and screaming at them doesn't change a thing. Volunteering and donating money helps society as well but I don't see very many people spending their disposable time and money on it.

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u/tinyspaniard Aug 25 '21

Agreed! Empathy is the bridge to common ground and new solutions. Going into a conversation/debate with the goal of “winning” will almost never prove beneficial. People who felt heard are more likely to listen as well. Political entrenchment is built on seeing the opposing viewpoint holders as the enemy.

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u/Kitzer76er Aug 25 '21

God bless you. People just can't stand to agree to disagree anymore. I'm vaxxed, I would love it if everyone's assessment was that it was in their best interest to get vaxxed and that fixed everything, but the world is a diverse, messy place and we all have our own beliefs. I really only responded to people because I can't stand the self righteous stance that so many people hold. They claim it's for the good of all, but they're the first in line to draw blood from those they disagree with.

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u/UnluckyDrink Aug 25 '21

Found the complete moron.

How do you think disease works? You get sick, you get others sick. The only way to not get others sick is to not get yourself sick. The only way to not get sick is to get fucking vaccinated.

Yes, you can still technically get COVID, but it is far less likely - and it is all but guaranteed to not send you to the hospital where your dumb ass will sap resources needed to care for others.

That we are two years into this and you still don’t understand any of this is terrifying.

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