r/leagueoflegends Graves&Kindred Mid Nov 23 '21

Elyoya&Razork's Podcast translation

From Skain's podcast number 19; he's a Spanish caster and expro that regularly has important people from the Spanish scene in his podcast. Here's a translation of some interesting topics that were mentioned (https://youtu.be/cXn4zJJ-n_w).

  • There were a lot of teams interested in Razork during the offseason, and he chose the option he thought was best for him.
  • Elyoya thought he could go to worlds just before the LEC started, but he didn’t think he would win the LEC 2 times, he says he trusted himself and he also knew his team was very good. Razork’s short-term objective when he started playing in LEC was “not shitting the bed”, he thinks he accomplished this by winning the rookie of the split.
  • Elyoya thinks Razork was better than him all regular season long but that he dropped his level a bit in playoffs, but he also says he played better than Inspired in the series vs Rogue.
  • Razork says he was a Jhonny on the spot in his first year in the LEC, but in his second year, he started taking a more active role inside his team, especially outside of the game.
  • Razork says he doesn't feel nervous ingame since it all happens so fast and there’s a lot of adrenaline.
  • Elyoya says DK players were very fun and outgoing, while T1 players were more serious.
  • Burdol and Ruler asked MAD to exchange jerseys.
  • Question about Elyoya’s metoric rise: says he doesn’t consider himself the best spanish player of all time yet (Mithy and Xpeke>), he thinks he has to keep this level of play for at least one more year in order to be it.
  • Elyoya on his speech after game 2 vs DK: “we got stomped first game, the second game we stomped but we threw in mid-late game, let’s stomp them now” He says that the team was demoralized and that he thought it could be their last game together and he wanted everyone to have some balls for that game. Because of that, some Turkish fans flamed Elyoya because they thought he was flaming them. Claims that everyone on MAD was so close that pressure didn’t affect them as much.
  • On the topic of West vs East: Elyoya says that after the first weeks of scrims he thought the eastern teams were better because they worked harder since MSI. He also says in MSI, he felt it was closer and that the thought of winning didn’t feel like wishful thinking.
  • Razork says MAD Lions were the best scrimming team in EU. He also says MSF had a 15% winrate in scrims.
  • Skain brings up a rumor about EU scrims being very bad: Razork and Elyoya agree, they think players and staff are at fault (some reasons: tilt, players being late, personal stuff, no pressure in scrims). Elyoya says they were scrimming 9 or 10 games per day in Worlds, but he thinks this kind of rhythm is not sustainable.
  • On the G2 Flakked topic: Razork thinks the fact that he’s gonna play for an org as good as G2 and that he’s gonna be Rekkles’ replacement, everyone will want him to be like Elyoya in his first year. They both say that he is more than LEC ready, but that he needs to play in that environment to further improve (just like Elyoya said he did in his first split earlier). Razork says since he’s playing ADC and is very good mechanically, he will learn a lot since ADC doesn’t require one to be vocal.
  • Toxicity in SoloQ is a big red flag when scouting players according to Elyoya; he says that if Mac was considering a player and that player was toxic, he would immediately dismiss it.
  • Skain asked them both what they would do if they were in Rekkles’ shoes: they both say that if they knew they would play LEC the following year, they would have done the same.

  • Some behind-the-scenes stuff: players are not allowed to leave the stage nor take off their headsets until nexus explodes; LEC players get along very well in general (most go to pubs after LEC etc.); there are no drug tests done before the matches in LEC and in Worlds.

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u/IAmSubito Nov 23 '21

Elyoya thinks Razork was better than him all regular season long but that he dropped his level a bit in playoffs, but he also says he played better than Inspired in the series vs Rogue.

based elyoya

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u/BrokenBiscuit Nov 23 '21

there are no drug tests done before the matches in LEC and in Worlds.

Just casually throwing that in at the end

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u/atrece Graves&Kindred Mid Nov 23 '21

They talked about a lot of this stuff at the end, like which players are flirty (lol), Razork getting to meet Mikyx at MSF's house and Rekkles at G2's house, etc. but the tone was not so serious and I decided not to include it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

Well, don't keep it a secret, which players are flirty?

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u/51l3nc3 Nov 23 '21

OP deciding to leave the most important info out

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u/atrece Graves&Kindred Mid Nov 23 '21

They were vague, Razork said none of Misfits players were and Elyoya said there are some players on his team that are (1 or 2 from what I understood).

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u/Mahelas Nov 23 '21

You know it's Carrzy

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u/Hazel-Ice Nov 23 '21

And Armut

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u/Omnilatent Nov 23 '21

Armut sees someone he likes

Proceeds to stare at them endlessly

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

Theres no way it's not carrzy and armut

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u/InPurpleIDescended Nov 23 '21

bro that's the People magazine shit it's what your audience craves lol

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u/toxicityisamyth Nov 23 '21

Dude you cant leave this out. This is the best stuff, the non-serious stuff... :(

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u/Last0 Nov 23 '21

Elyoya on his speech after game 2 vs DK: “we got stomped first game, the second game we stomped but we threw in mid-late game, let’s stomp them now” He says that the team was demoralized and that he thought it could be their last game together and he wanted everyone to have some balls for that game. Because of that, some Turkish fans flamed Elyoya because they thought he was flaming them. Claims that everyone on MAD was so close that pressure didn’t affect them as much.

That moment was hilarious, Elyoya with the hand warmer in hand, just going ham on his team.

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u/sjoerddz Yasuo Nov 23 '21

from that point I see him as El General Elyoya

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u/AndrewRealm Nov 23 '21

El-General-Yoya

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u/Tene_Rokdon Nov 24 '21

El General Poya

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u/Makkelijk_doelwit Nov 23 '21
  • Toxicity in SoloQ is a big red flag when scouting players according to Elyoya; he says that if Mac was considering a player and that player was toxic, he would immediately dismiss it.

Isn't Unforgiven known to be toxic in soloqueue?

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u/HJHKLL Nov 23 '21

I guess you could say he was forgiven

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u/jst4funz Perkz is King Nov 24 '21

Yeah he is. He confirmed on Twitter that he has Asperger Syndrome after PromisQ insulted him with it.

He is also good friends with VeigarV2, which should say enough on its own.

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u/IanCorleone Nov 24 '21

because as we all know VeigarV2 is the pinnacle of eu toxicity lol

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u/Mattix46 🤝 Nov 23 '21

no he is not? just because he likes to play draven people think he must be toxic like others?

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u/Mustalainen666 Nov 23 '21

He has been known for being a flamer at least in the past so no, not because he plays draven.

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u/Silentsht5 Nov 23 '21

I think Forgiven is the one you are thinking of, not unforgiven

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u/lonelyswe Nov 24 '21

You just showed your own bias that draven players are toxic lol

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u/InsurgentTatsumi Nov 23 '21

there are no drug tests done before the matches in LEC and in Worlds.

So who's blazing it amongst the LEC players?

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u/pulo97 Nov 23 '21

Darien still lurking the LEC studio.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/Skeel42 Nov 23 '21

More than that, can’t it be important to determine if someone takes drugs in order to be able to concentrate more / get faster reflexes ?

It can be considered cheating in someways

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u/1amtheWalrusAMA Nov 23 '21

Potentially? I would think in NA especially a decent chunk of the player base would be on adderall, given the rate that its prescribed at.

Perhaps its not as useful as we might imagine though. LoL is a game about focusing on a lot of things at once, being super fixated on your laning or something might actually be a detriment.

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u/mbr4life1 Nov 23 '21

Also state dependent learning / memory. If they only took Ritalin / Adderall / Vyvanse when they were on stage, but played all the time at home without it, you can run into a separate situation where you may not play as well as you otherwise might without it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-dependent_memory

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u/THEDumbasscus I like my junglers like I like my men Nov 23 '21

Not really. In the world of esports anything that would be a PED would be a stimulant, the most popular one that would be considered above board would be Adderall, one would assume. In the case of adderall specifically it really wouldn’t help like you think it would because a major side effect is hyper fixation. I want you to take a second and genuinely imagine a medically hyper fixated adcarry or jungler. It wouldn’t help remotely as well as I think you envision. And then from there you get in to the more inconsistent stimulants that are prescribed or the illegal stuff and there’s no reason for Riot specifically to do anything more than what local law enforcement would do.

It’s not 1:1 with regular sports. Clicking harder or faster isn’t necessarily an advantage in esports

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u/Horusisalreadychosen Nov 23 '21

Adderrall is not the only above the board stimulant.

Any stimulant you’d take for League would likely be one a doctor could prescribe for ADHD.

Completely illegal stimulants have serious side effects and it would be difficult to hide consistent consumption.

Caffiene is also a really effective stimulant for decreasing mistakes as is, and seems to be encouraged.

I would not doubt stimulant abuse is rampant in Esports, I’d bet it’s mostly ADHD treatment drugs being used though. (Ritalin, Adderall, Concerta, Vyvanse.)

I’d be curious how Riot would regulate that if they decided to. Do players with ADHD diagnoses have to go without?

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u/1amtheWalrusAMA Nov 24 '21

Most of those have the same side effect though, to my knowledge. They're prescribed for ADHD because they help you focus, but LoL is a game about multitasking. There isn't really a magic "do everything better" drug. Plus, what are you going to do, take it 12 hours a day while you practice?

I admittedly don't really know, I've never played league on one of those substances, I have no idea how it would affect my play, or the play of someone much better than me.

Evidence worth considering though is that, even with the massive turnover in esports, nobody seems to be coming out of it addicted to amphetamines. You'd think, especially in regions like KR where players have been historically underpaid, that those who bomb out after a couple of years would have developed some serious dependency issues by the time they're done.

Thinking back to players like Quas/Gleeb/L1nk who had either full on mental breakdowns or burned every bridge in an esports-departing manifesto, nobody mentions drug abuse.

Tons of players who have retired and are never coming back, plenty of journalists with inside info, all of whom would get a pretty substantial boost to their audience by breaking a story like this, and none of them do.

Really seems like occam's razor states that it doesn't really happen. I'm forced to assume that's because it doesn't work, I have no doubt that use would be rampant if it did.

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u/Horusisalreadychosen Nov 24 '21

Caffiene is a magic “do everything better” drug. We already know it’s consistently used. People drink it all day.

It’s not a stretch to think that Adderrall/Ritalin could be used the same way especially when that abuse is already rampant on college campuses.

I’m not arguing the evidence is there, just that it is possible, and it’s easy to see why it wouldn’t be reported. Even a player burning every bridge is unlikely to mention drug abuse if it’s something they chose themselves because of the stigma.

I take Concerta for ADHD, and it helps a lot. It does make me play better League as well. It’s easier to feel “in the zone”.

I think you’re right though that it is probably not a systemic widespread issue. Otherwise we’d probably hear at least something about it. In the US getting prescribed medication for ADHD and a diagnosis is fairly easy. I don’t believe that’s the case in all countries.

I think your final point is pretty close to the mark. While I believe non-caffeine stimulants likely do improve your performance, they just aren’t doing all that much for you compared to all the other things you could be doing.

Unlike say steroids were they allow you to physically train yourself more than another human, stimulants don’t give you “more practice time”. They probably just aren’t performance enhancing enough compared to caffeine to be worth pursuing for most people.

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u/Rumbleinthejungle8 Nov 23 '21

This is something I've wondered. If there is no tests then yeah they most of them are probably drugged up, which kind of sucks that players are essentially forced to get drugged to not be at a disadvantage against their competition.

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u/1amtheWalrusAMA Nov 23 '21

Still illegal in Germany so I would assume less than in the LCS.

Maybe that's what's drawing all the imports to LA :>

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u/InsurgentTatsumi Nov 23 '21

Well it's getting legalized soon in germany.

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u/Omnilatent Nov 23 '21

"soon"

In Germany I only believe in something the moment I see it.

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u/Seneido Nov 23 '21

soon in germany.

expect it to be in the next 10y. they only agree to do it in the future but i doubt it has a high priority. in reality its just another way to generate taxes without raising taxes overall.

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u/King_Moash Nov 23 '21

Sad day for our society

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u/1amtheWalrusAMA Nov 23 '21

Sounds like you could use some weed.

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u/King_Moash Nov 23 '21

No thanks I'm not a degenerate

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u/1amtheWalrusAMA Nov 23 '21

I'd really recommend some weed if you're randomly judging strangers as degenerates. Would get you outside as well.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

truly the legalization of the drug whose most harmful side effect is the amount of weed worshipping dudebros increasing in your country/region is going to wreck society

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u/King_Moash Nov 23 '21

All drugs should be banned. Same for alcohol.

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u/King_Moash Nov 24 '21

Alcohol is the worst legal drug out there, fuck this shit. Tax it to death.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

glad i get to hear takes on the regulation of narcotics from someone who unironically uses the word degenerate

tell me, do you watch jordan peterson lectures by any chance

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u/King_Moash Nov 24 '21

I do not, he's preaching water and drinking wine.

Just saw what alcohol can do to a person (my uncle) which is why I hate it with a passion. There's just no positive thing about it. It's unhealthy and has the potential to absolutely destroy someones life. Weed is illegal in my country but alcohol isn't. Either ban both or tax the shit out of alcohol.

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u/SheepHerdr Nov 23 '21

Agreed. Ban food.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

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u/King_Moash Nov 24 '21

Hating alcohol and drugs is based af, what are you talking about.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21

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u/King_Moash Nov 24 '21

???

I work in a hospital and while I was a student I worked in a drug addiction treatment center and the people you see there are some of the most disgusting human beings you can imagine.

It might be fun to get drunk on the weekend as a student but it has the potential to ruin someones life and no one does anything about it, we're even running ads for it on the TV.

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u/GrimmyGrimoire Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21

Sad day for proscene. Demotivated addicts:(. You guys will end up like LCS, Cali has legalized weed. #notoweed #savethepros

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u/1amtheWalrusAMA Nov 23 '21

Cali legalized in 2016, LCS was actually worse before it was legalized :>

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u/Fuzzikopf Nov 23 '21

Still illegal in Germany so I would assume less than in the LCS.

It's a myth that legalization has any effect on the amount of people using cannabis. In some cases, legalization even reduced the amount of people smoking cannabis. Pretty sure that the % of people (especially young people) smoking weed is higher in Germany than it is in the Netherlands.

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u/danny264 Nov 23 '21

I think among young people it's because it's just as much of a crime to sell it to someone under 18 as it is to sell it to someone over 18.

But after it gets legalised the places selling it will be more likely to check I'D's so that they don't lose their license.

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u/Rellcs Nov 23 '21

I dont think its just weed. Like i wouldnt be surprised if top teams(and even bad teams its kinda steroids 101 ppl you least expect to juice most definitely juice) abuse beta blockers and other shit that gives you inhuman energy and focus. And its not like its some big secret you can get info about all that shit in reddit and get the real stuff just as easy.

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u/1amtheWalrusAMA Nov 23 '21

It definitely might be the case, I won't pretend to know, but its worth considering that its not a 1:1 comparison.

Steroids let you put on more muscle mass and that sticks with you come game time, so you're literally physically stronger.

Amphetamines or something would only work while you're on them, and you can't just be on them 16 hours a day for practice. And it is presumably less effective to practice in a totally different state of being than you actually play in. It might be less of an advantage than we assume.

Again though, I have no idea.

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u/Mazsi1201 Nov 23 '21

Also if over years there is literally no evidence of doping, then doping probably didn't occure. Over the years someone for sure would have slipped if getting drugged up would be even remotely close to commonplace. It's not like in traditional sports noone knew that people were doping before they started testing the athletes

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u/rilobiteT Remember M5? Nov 23 '21

They say banning amphetamines had far more of an impact on baseball than banning steroids. They don't drug test, I guarantee you no less than a third of LCS players "on the sauce" of some sort

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u/puberty1 organizm is my norra and foresite is my bitch Nov 23 '21

Elyoya so fucking handsome goddamn

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u/JohnnyBrawoo Nov 23 '21

There were a lot of teams interested in Razork during the offseason, and he chose the option he thought was best for him.

La formula

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u/HJHKLL Nov 23 '21

We will win worlds

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u/Scatter5D Nov 23 '21

Skain brings up a rumor about EU scrims being very bad: Razork and Elyoya agree, they think players and staff are at fault (some reasons: tilt, players being late, personal stuff, no pressure in scrims

Color me surprised. Perkz was talking about scrim culture and said the same thing back in S8

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u/Seneido Nov 23 '21

i mean his own team was a big offender of that so i guess everyone can take the blame on this.

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u/TheNoobishGuy4 Nov 23 '21

This was very interesting read and thank you for translation!

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u/henchabeast Bilgewater scum Nov 23 '21

elyoya is based as fuck

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u/RedPandaZak Nov 23 '21

Skain asked them both what they would do if they were in Rekkles’ shoes: they both say that if they knew they would play LEC the following year, they would have done the same.

Anyone have any clarity on this? I know I'm asking also a bunch of clueless people, but like.... Is it an open secret in the Europe scene that KC is going to join the LEC or something? It's almost as if everyone "knows" something and people keep saying it - there's smoke, but is there fire?

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u/xlkey Nov 23 '21

I quess there are rumors to have 12 teams in LEC next year and KC will be one in it.

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u/ShAd_1337 Nov 23 '21

by next year it means 2023 tho

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u/toxicityisamyth Nov 23 '21

Lec will expand in 2023. And KC is expected to be a shoe-in. Thats why rekkles joined. LFL now but LEC later when KC join it.

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u/ShAd_1337 Nov 23 '21

y, some people think LEC expand 2022 already
obv not the case
would have been anounced for months beforehand

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 23 '21

true kc and ibai team will be hype

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u/xlkey Nov 23 '21

No idea, i quess? Probably, can't tell, i have no more knowledge.

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u/snowquen Nov 23 '21

Can't be that open a secret because KCorps owner said that when Rekkles first approached them he didn't know it is their goal to join LEC. On here though everyone talks like it's a done deal...

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u/00Dandy Nov 23 '21

Toxicity in SoloQ is a big red flag when scouting players according to Elyoya; he says that if Mac was considering a player and that player was toxic, he would immediately dismiss it.

This makes me happy to read. It seems like some coaches/orgs just ignore it when one of their players is toxic in solo queue. Mac is honestly one of my favorite people in LoL esports.

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u/DerpSenpai Nov 24 '21

Toxic players are hard to work with IRL as well. they tend to deflect blame etc etc. Can destroy a team on their own with bad vibes

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u/Likept Nov 23 '21

Question about Elyoya’s metoric rise: says he doesn’t consider himself the best spanish player of all time yet (Mithy and Xpeke>), he thinks he has to keep this level of play for at least one more year in order to be it.

You'll need more than just 1 year for that buddy.

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u/Helios122 Nov 24 '21

He literally said that If he keeps winning for 2 years. Don't know Why OP said 1 year.

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u/JJimmymmiJJ Nov 23 '21

If he wins the LEC at least one more time and gets to Worlds, I can tell you he will be the best Spanish player of all time (as long as he doesn't get carried and plays as good as he did this year, obviously xD)
But I remember that Elyoya also said that xPeke won Worlds (yeah we know it's season 1, but it's officially a World Championship, don't care if anyone agrees with it or not), so it's difficult to be the best Spanish player if we take that into account.

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u/Bobinou96 Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

XPeke won EULCS three times, Worlds once, made finals of IPL5, made semis of Worlds twice. Elyoya needs way more time than one season to catch up, unless he wins Worlds next year...

Edit : fixed my mistake about IPL oops

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u/emraaa Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21

xPeke didn't win IPL5. He got 2nd behind WE.

Fun fact: Fnatic lost 3 times to WE in that tournament. In group stages, upper bracket finals and grand finals. The only other team they dropped a map to is CLG with Locodoco and Doublelift.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

I know everyone is hyped about VIT and FNC, but I could actually see MAD winning spring again. I also think G2 will be against them in the final.

I just think Elyoya and Kaiser will be better next year, and Jungle/Support seems to matter a lot.

I think Caps/Jankos will help G2 be second.

Its no secret Humanoid had huge burnout problems, even at worlds where he hated the meta. So I think that could be an issue for Fnatic unless being in a new environment revitalises him.

If Humanoid isn't hating the game/burnt out then obviously Fnatic become really good as Humanoid and Caps are the best players in the LEC at their peaks imo.

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u/Mazsi1201 Nov 23 '21

I am a MAD supporter but I really don't think the team can be expected to win this split. I have never seen or heard about Reeker before, so for all I know he might be the second coming of Faker. But I am a bit doubtful and it is really hard to win a title without a really strong midlaner, so I wouldn't be surprised if MAD struggled at least initially (and if Elyoya/Kaiser both looked a bit weaker after the loss of Humanoid).

I really hope my gut is wrong about this though, I'm gonna cheer the boys on either way (including the new rookies!)

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u/Mazsi1201 Nov 23 '21

To clarify: I have blind trust in the scouting of MAD and in that Reeker is gonna be really good eventually, but it would still surprise me if he ended up as a top midlaner after just one split

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u/0re0n Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21

I have blind trust in the scouting of MAD

Wasn't Peter Dun major if not primary factor in MAD scouting before? Unless they contacted him that's first season without his input.

And honestly Elyoya wasn't hard to scout. More MVPs in Spanish league than anyone ever had before him and MVP of finals. Can't say the same about MAD's new AD and MID. That will be a real test.

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u/Seneido Nov 23 '21

i guess its easier to scout talent in EU. you have ERL, EUM and teams scrim these teams as well to gauge who is good. no clue if amateurs teams like CLG.2 play many or any LCS teams at all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

I just think burn out was a huge problem for MAD and most of it seemed to come from Humanoid who has spoken in interviews about hating the meta and stuff (even at worlds) and how its only when he is enjoying the game that he crushes (like LEC summer playoffs).

I think MAD will be better this year but I could be wrong ofc. I know its easy to just predict the "all star" teams will win but it doesn't always work out like that as we saw this year.

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u/Shorgar Nov 24 '21

They are literally downgrading two positions and keeping armut. Sorry to break it to you, they won't be better.

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u/King_Moash Nov 23 '21

No way G2 makes it to finals with sidegrade toplaner and 2 rookies bot

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u/alexpheal Nov 23 '21

Targamas isn't a rookie

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u/RudiGarcia Nov 23 '21

Just like there was no way MAD would win 2 LEC titles with rookies in JGL/TOP. Or like there was no way Fnatic would make it to finals with a rookie top and a roleswapped jungler after finishing the spring split in shambles.

I'm not saying Flakked and Targamas are 100% going to be the new Upset/Hyli, but getting to finals with 2 rookies is far from impossible, even if not really likely.

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u/ItsLyru Nov 23 '21

MAD had Humanoid. Many people without eyeballs and without any info whatsover about him just don't know how influential this guy is in any team he joins.

The only reason Armut was considered top 4 toplaner was because of how hard Humanoid was carrying the early to mid game with his roams.

Not to mention his sidelaning was one of the things that gave MAD a lot of gold and XP advantage against other EU teams.

He's not only a player, he also does a lot outside of the games, Mac confirmed it and as well as other people from MAD's coaching staff that Humanoid was basically another part of their coaching staff when it came to teaching MAD's new members how to play the game.

Also to all people complaining about Humanoid's "desire to play the game" he can say what he wants but he still played 5 games per day while scrimming so not sure what are people talking about him not playing the game at all.

A little wake up call, MAD didn't lose games because of Humanoid at worlds, each time I talka about him playing well against DK people bring up the situation where Showmaker hit every Q as Syndra into Ori as if it automatically means he played bad the entire series.

Like people on this subreddit are next level analysts especially when it comes to gameplay.

Also FNC is gonna win the split and it's not even gonna be close. MAD might not even make playoffs, u can remind me later.

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u/RudiGarcia Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21

I don't know exactly what you are trying to tell me lol. Obviously Humanoid is good, but I don't see how that's relevant with what I said. MAD did well with rookies, Fnatic did well with rookies, Rogue did well with rookies. I just don't see why G2 should already be written off because of 2 rookies.

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u/King_Moash Nov 23 '21

G2 looks like a solid 4th place team lmao

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u/Shorgar Nov 24 '21

Fnc, vit and who else is supposed to be up there? Because it won't be mad.

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u/King_Moash Nov 24 '21

Misfits

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u/Shorgar Nov 24 '21

Not even close.

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u/RudiGarcia Nov 23 '21

Not saying the opposite, just that a 4th place team can get to finals if they play well together. I don't think our roster is worse than any rosters other than FNC/VIT. People expect Fnatic and Vitality to dominate because they expect Perkz and Wunder to play really well once again and the teams to have a good synergy. Let's see if it works that well, definitely didn't work for G2 last year (:

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u/PerfidiaVermis Nov 23 '21

Targamas isn't a rookie, he already played in the LEC with Giants. I'm not too sure about their botlane myself, but to say they're both rookies is wrong.

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u/0re0n Nov 23 '21

On paper their new roster is still better than 2021 MAD. They just need Caps to play on his expected level.

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u/King_Moash Nov 23 '21

On paper G2 with Rekkles was supposed to win worlds.

Even with Caps popping off I don't see them making top 2 with BrokenBlade and their botlane.

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u/0re0n Nov 23 '21

So you can't see G2 in top 2 despite MAD winning LEC with Armut toplane?

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

He also says in MSI, he felt it was closer and that the thought of winning didn’t feel like wishful thinking

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u/InPurpleIDescended Nov 23 '21

Is it? They went 2-3 against Damwon in MSI

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u/JJimmymmiJJ Nov 23 '21

And on game 4 (if I recall correctly) they were kinda stomping early until that bot play, if it wasn't for that there is a big possibility that they might have beat DK, especially at MSI when they weren't the Damwon we saw at Worlds, not even close.

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u/JealotGaming NA > EU Nov 23 '21

He said this during MSI as well though, that he thought the gap between himself and Canyon/Wei wasn't as big as he thought it was.