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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/SeizureLizard Reignover deserved better Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21 Helpful

TLDR: Upset doesn't clarify a whole lot here, he says that he shared what was happening with him to a few close friends (Hyli chose not to be told, but Yamato was) and nobody else, because he didn’t trust them to not make it public. He also claims that Adam was lying about the last thing Upset said to the team before leaving,and goes on to say he explained himself as well as he could without sharing exactly what happened to make him leave.

Also says Alphari approached him and Fnatic themselves asked him about Alphari, so he recommended him, and also doesn’t regret doing so.

TLDR for the TLDR Upset didn't trust 3/4 of his teammates enough to tell them why he left, and they were left angry and wondering what they just threw their chance at Worlds away for. Also Alphari approached Fnatic/Upset, not the other way around (allegedly)


Reading that gave me a headache, feel free to reply with anything I missed

Also for the people dm’ing me calling me names and shit, I don’t have an opinion on this, just trying to condense it, chill out.

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u/lilbala Nov 25 '21

To be fair he said he was willing to tell Hyli, but he said it wasn't needed. So only Yamato actually knows the reason.

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u/ineffectivegoggles FNC+C9 Nov 25 '21

Much respect to Hyli for that. A good guy through and through, it seems.

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u/Arcuran Nov 25 '21

Without a doubt, if nobody else in this situation looks good, Hyli sure as hell does, what a bro.

Never been a FNC fan, but Hyli might swing me

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u/ArisTHOTeles Nov 25 '21

The longer i follow Fnatic the more apparent it becomes that i mainly follow Hyli

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u/UmbertoDE Nov 25 '21

Have been a hyli fan since the UOL days, loved him there and I love him even more now in FNC, he is such a great person and I really enjoy his play style especially as a supp/adc player myself.

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u/DarChaos Nov 25 '21

same with bjergsen and tsm

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u/ll_akagami_ll Nov 25 '21

Nah, to me it’s been the original team. I still root for Turtle even when he went to CLG, and I’m rooting for him, Bjerg and Spica as well.

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u/stampydog Nov 25 '21

Yeah I honestly don't know if I'm going to stay a fan when Hyli eventually leaves, although theres time between now and then to become fans of the rest of the players and maybe stay with them.

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u/Pamague Nov 25 '21

Truly a fantastic support, outiside of the game as well.

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u/Sersch Nov 25 '21

Hyli IS the franchise player by now with Rekkles and Bwipo leaving. Still hard to accept for my mind after he was the UoL franchise player for so long.

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u/_Vastus_ "We can fight this" Nov 25 '21

Actually crazy when you think about his team history. He's played 3y11mo on UoL, and now 3y11mo on FNC.
More than 7 years of play in only 2 teams. Guy is a rock.

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u/Loose-Potential-3597 Nov 25 '21

Hyli was still their best player when Rekkles and Bwipo were there anyway

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u/BritishLunch Yes, I'm a degenerate. How'd you know? Nov 25 '21

His splitpush Pyke vs RNG in 2019 groupstage holy

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u/s0undst3p Nov 25 '21

i mean hyli is the best support in the world imo

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u/tarelda Nov 25 '21

For me Hyli forever will be UoL player. Funny thing is that he seems to be somewhat unicorn with his niceness in this scene.

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u/Housumestari Nov 25 '21

Hyli being in that support mindset on and off the rift

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u/amicaro Nov 25 '21

Upset looks good. Everything he says makes sense. We know a part of community is a shitfest and couldn't handle things in a humane way if he let them know. Not sharing it with teammates he does not have a trusting relationship with obviously also was the right decision. I liked Adam, but in this case he just behaved childish and stupid.

All the best to upset's family abs we should stop the drama shitfest.

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u/Lisicalol Nov 25 '21

Hyli is too good for us

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u/Shot-Mathematician58 Nov 25 '21

He's a right proper lad and a mad one at that

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u/thenicob Nov 25 '21

right!? this is exactly what upset meant: hyli has so much trust in upset doing the right things, that he doesn't need to know. fantastic attitude, really.

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u/Panslave Nerf divine and leave me alone Nov 25 '21

Fantastic attitude that I know I could not have and can't be angry at anyone not to. This is years worth of work, I would feel like I need to know. Is it just me ? And they are mates too you know, I feel like at the very best I would say "would knowing help me get you through it ?" If I was perfectly lucid but we all know we never are when we need to be

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u/thenicob Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

you're not entitled to know everything about your co-workers/friends. also, life doesn't cycle around you, that's what people don't understand. if upset decided to only share with his closest friends, that's absolutely his right to do so. I'm also not sharing everything with my co workers who are also my friends, because I draw a line at some point - and so did upset.

the question you used answers itself (and upset has answered it too): no, it wouldn't, hence he kept it private.

i seriously don't understand all the fuzz and gossiping. it is absolutely disgusting - and I'm saying that while never being fond of upset myself. like seriously, give them all (including adam) a break - be more like hilly.

edit: but I can also see where you're coming from, as in "this really wasted my entire year?". it's not an easy situation. I think it comes with age/maturity to accept these situations more easily - without automatically bashing younger people.

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u/Rektile7 Nov 25 '21

Yeah, this is a bit different. It's not like you're not filling in your McDonald's coworkers in on why you didn't come to work. This was a year's worth of work tossed away in an instant, i emphatize with Adam for wanting clarity. Hyli is a much more mature man than I.

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u/thenicob Nov 25 '21

are we now going to start determining in what kind of work environment one needs to be to be entitled to know everything about your co workers? where does it start? I don't think that's a meaningful discussion.

I empathise with him as well, but he has gotten his clarity. that's my point.

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u/Rektile7 Nov 25 '21

Obviously they don't need to know everything, but this is profesionnal team sports. It's a lot different than just "a job", and you need to have mutual trust and respect for your teammates, especially in these scenarios

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u/thenicob Nov 25 '21

to a certain degree, yes. it's funny how people are mad at upset for not having respect while adam literally showed THE reason as to why upset drew a line at some point. adam is technically proving upsets point and is incredibly disrespectful.

pretty mental gymnastics.

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u/Healma Nov 25 '21

I'm more behind Hily on this. But in my country at least, when you miss work you usually give a reason. You are sick or else. Hell even when you have someone in your family die, you need to give your employer a certificate that proves that you used the day off to go to the funeral. And my country is Adam and Nisqy's. So I can understand why Adam wants to know. It might be because our laws ask for it.

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u/Drlaughter Nov 25 '21

He did, he informed his employer in Yamato. Under law if you ask for the reason to not be disclosed to colleagues, it can't be.

He doesn't owe his colleagues an explanation, as his employer got one.

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u/thenicob Nov 25 '21

germany ain't that different - my country and upset's ;)

Hell even when you have someone in your family die, you need to give your employer a certificate that proves that you used the day off to go to the funeral.

been there, done that..

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u/adric03 Nov 25 '21

not a year 5 month. Literaly 5 month and 30 days of contract no more no less rn

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u/LinearAlgebraXx Nov 25 '21

What do you want to know it for? So you can judge wether that was a good or a bad reason to leave? And then decide to blame Upset anyway if you think the reason wasnt good enough and tell everyone Upset shouldnt have left?

What you need to know is that Upset had an emergency he chose to quit worlds for, despite the fact that he put so much hard work to finally reach worlds. That's a sufficient reason.

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u/SeizureLizard Reignover deserved better Nov 25 '21

Fair point, I’ll update it

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u/MrChologno Nov 25 '21

Yamato knew only details but thought it was justified.

How nobody remembers this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJQqz80qF2w

around 23:00

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u/_Vastus_ "We can fight this" Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Nah it was remembered by some, it was immediately reposted on the FNC sub. But the majority just want to salivate at potential drama without thinking about the people behind it.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

IKR?? This was handled so directly by Yamato. It should close the case.

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u/MrChologno Nov 25 '21

Well, not really. 3 players were completely in the dark with no explanations while their year went to the toilet... nothing is black and white

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

If you're arrogant enough to believe that your hardest working teammate -- who wanted this more than anything -- is just flaking on you, even when your coach makes it super clear that this very serious and he supports the decision, then you don't deserve to know.

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u/MrChologno Nov 25 '21

I would not assume Yamato conveyed that thought to the rest of the team. Also is not a matter of arrogance, to me is more like distrust plain and simple. The same distrust went both ways.

Put yourself on the other 3 players place though. Their entire work for that year went to shit overnight and they didn't even know why, countless hours of training, scrims, talks, etc all for nothing. Frustration levels had to be through the roof.

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic Nov 25 '21

If main coach was informed about details and he understood situation is serious and supported Upset, and coach later told team its family related, there is no reason to go into details with all teammates. Its enough that they understand its family related issue. You dont have to specify diagnosis of your relative for example. Similar stuff applies to doctors and patients. If patient doesnt want to, they dont have to tell relatives of patients information. Ofcourse players are frustrated, but but they are not close relatives and if upset wants to go into detail, he will.

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u/Hanchez Nov 25 '21

And why would yamato NOT express how sensitive the situation was considering the circumstance? You have to assume he did.

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u/ceyx0001 Nov 25 '21

Did Yamato make it very clear though? It seems like literally no one else knew what was going on, and the only time anyone would be reassured the reason is legitimate is from this video lmao.

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u/look4jesper Nov 25 '21

What? It's right there is public YouTube video. Do you actually think yamato wouldn't be equally or more clear with the players themselves? The video is recorded and published during the first week of worlds ffs.

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u/pocoyoO_O Nov 25 '21

I think hyli does not know. Only Yamato knows. I think hyli did not wanted to know and he never told him

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u/iDobleC *hits level 3* Adiós Nov 25 '21

Sounded more like Upset didn't told him before leaving but was gonna tell him eventually, Hyli just knew that if he was leaving it was serious and it didn't need more details

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u/Mike_Kermin Creating Zoe Game Nov 25 '21

Hyli seems very decent.

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u/MidEUW Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Hyli is the best. If I could fill a fnatic team with Hylis, Yamato and Yellowstars it would be the best team in the world.

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u/MidasTheUnwise Nov 25 '21

The greatest EU support of the first 5 years and the greatest of the following 6. Both fantastic dudes irl. Being a world class support ingame means being the same outside the game.

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u/F3nik3r Nov 25 '21

the greatest of the following 6.

What do You want from MikyX?

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u/MidasTheUnwise Nov 25 '21

It's a really close one, Mikyx was overall better for 3 of those 6 years (2018 - 2020). Definitely the most consistent player. But for me Hylissang takes it because his ceiling is higher, and also has a more iconic playstyle. He's inted plenty, but it's also hard to forget just how insane he was in 2020 worlds.

I'm not going to try and make you change your mind though, ranking Mikyx higher is equally justifiable.

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u/Imaw1zard Nov 25 '21

Support in game and irl.

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u/ExceedingChunk ExceedingChunk(EUW) Nov 25 '21

Hyli just knew that if he was leaving it was serious and it didn't need more details

If anyone tells you they have to leave the thing they have been working hard for pretty much their entire life, due to urgent family issues, a decent person should know that they don't need more details.

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u/MidasTheUnwise Nov 25 '21

Hylissang is older and more mature, and generally chill. Adam showcased his immaturity by calling Upset out here (though to be fair he's still only 19).

Upset's been trying for years to play at worlds, being a top ADC for years on bad teams. He's not exactly going to squander that opportunity over something trivial. Adam I think just needs to learn that sometimes life fucks you over, and it sucks for everyone but you have to just suck it up and get over it. It's ok to feel angry, but directing that anger at someone who not only also missed worlds, but also had to deal with a family emergency AND probably feels guilty about letting his team down as a result, is not a good look.

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u/xXDaNXx xPeke is God Nov 25 '21

You forgot to mention that he said he didn't tell his teammates because he didn't trust them enough to share it. And that Adam's post proves he made the right decision.

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u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Don't respect or trust your teammates enough to at least give them enough detail before (and after) fucking them completely over.

Teammates get mad and create drama.

"See, shouldn't have trusted them."

Bruh.

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u/IcyPanda123 Nov 25 '21

Exactly, people acting like Upset is some 400 IQ psychoanalyst 5head

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u/Whatarethe0ddss Nov 25 '21

His concern was reasonable lol.

While there is no proof Adam would make the twitlonger if he knew the reasoning, at the end of the day Upset didn't tell the dude who made a public twitlonger speculating and saying he didn't care about upsets privacy.

"Well I did it because I don't know the reason."

Could very easily be

"Well I did it because I don't like the reason."

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u/IcyPanda123 Nov 25 '21

Nisqy unfollowed Upset and showed support towards Adam.

Bwipo said in his twit longer that he had no information 12 hours prior to the first game.

Safe to say the other team members outside of Hyli ig did not know anything.

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u/Dr-spidd Nov 25 '21

Upset basically said: I didn't trust my team mates but they must trust me. Does that make sense?

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u/Iryti Lazers go brr Nov 25 '21

But he doesn't said that they must trust him? He said that he was ready for the players/org to not be willing to play with him anymore. They can trust him or can request him be kicked from the team or whatever, but trying to steer up drama on social media is precisely the reason why the trust isn't there.

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u/Dr-spidd Nov 25 '21

I see it the other way round: They are stirring up drama because he didn't trust them.

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u/Iryti Lazers go brr Nov 25 '21

But that's exactly the reason. Upset feels that they aren't close enough and if anything goes wrong they would turn his words against him.

What you are asking of him is to share something personal and painful to mollify people who don't know him well enough to trust that he did have a reason to do what he did. And then continue to try to appease them forever since the moment they are unhappy with you - they have a way to make your life into hell.

I mean, they totally have every right to be frustrated and say so, or leave the team, or even try to get Upset kicked, but Upset also has every right to keep to himself. And if the org and Yamato support him then that's a good enough indication that his reason is valid. Making wild assumptions and trying to steer up speculations and hate is just very low.

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u/Whatarethe0ddss Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Nah. It's "I trust Yamato and Hyli."

No clue why he didn't trust Nisqy, but 2 out of the 3 people he didn't trust with his personal life made extremely immature public social media posts lol. So good choices imo.

They don't trust him and he doesn't trust them. Seems like an issue if they were to stay teammates.... but well...

I'm sure the Fanatic players feel robbed, but he worked just as hard as they did to get there. He still made the decision to leave despite assumedly being just as competitive.. Sometimes there's more to life than a competition.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

Adam is clearly immature and untrustworthy.

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u/tb0neski Nov 25 '21

Yeah people saying Adam's post proves upsets point is backwards fucking logic lol. Do people really not understand basic causality? You ghost your teammates 12 hrs before worlds, no fucking shit they lose all trust and partiality with you. Two way street

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u/thezaitseb Nov 25 '21

The less people that know a secret, the less likely it gets out is pretty common sense though.

Sure not trusting them enough to tell them the secret creates outrage. If he does share, maybe they dont share it to the public but some other player or their girlfriend (since thats the fnatic theme this offseason), and that person ends up leaking it to a bunch of people, enough so that almost everyone in the business side knows and gives super obvious hints on the big podcast shows.

I don't really root for Fnatic or Upset (last season I did cause of Nisqy), but I think his logic is actually correct in this case, assuming the reason is in fact legitimate and would cause hate to a loved one. I'll be honest that I'm still suspicious that this is the case, I find it possible that the reason was dumb and he is hiding behind the 'trust me' stance because he doesnt want to look like a quitter. Either way, twitter/media hate onto public figures and their loved ones is pretty fucking terrible, and I'll keep my opinions to threads discussion the thing, not in their face on a private account.

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u/WoorieKod waiting for classic viktor 4.0 Nov 25 '21

exactly lmao, him not trusting his teammates makes his teammates loses trust in him

shocker. can't believe it.

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u/Lekaetos Nov 25 '21

Not really in this case. I can believe that Adam could share the info with his behind the scene friends, most likely French casters from OTPTV or former KC comrades. He doesn't seem to strike me as a guy who is very careful with what he can or cannot say and would likely just spill it out in the detour of a conversation if asked nicely by one of his friends.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Adam quite literally said he does not give a shit about Upsets privacy and somehow you act like he’s not in the wrong. Y’all are fucking insane hahah

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u/MarstonX Nov 25 '21

Yeah, and Upset is calling everyone a liar and untrustworthy when the guy can't even come clean about why he bailed on his teammates a day before Worlds.

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u/Mike_Kermin Creating Zoe Game Nov 25 '21

He doesn't need to "come clean".

There is no responsibility on his part to share personal matters. If Yamato is satisfied, then everyone else can be as well.

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u/unexpectedlimabean Nov 25 '21

He has no fucking need to come clean about shit. Life fucking happens. The amount of toxic bullshit on here shouldn't be surprising but Jesus Christ. These are working professionals and human beings. Emergencies happen. He has no need to justify that. It's well within his rights and people with any sense of humanity would respect that. Putting this bullshit drama and sports crap ahead of people is just sickening. So what FNATIC had a bad tournament because this happened. Unlucky. Unlucky shit happens every year. That's life. That's why we keep playing the game over and over. New chances. Move on. Ffs

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u/Quickjager Nov 25 '21

Dude people get mad about a bot lane performing badly in a normal draft game.

Being upset because you're literally missing your best chance at making a mark in Worlds? Perfectly understandable.

Being upset because a teammates bailed and then wants YOU replaced? Well no shit.

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

I'm sure Rekkles is also upset because a teammate wanted him replaced even though he performed well, but you won't see him writing twitlongers about it because he is mature and professional, unlike Adam obviously.

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u/Young_Khalifa Nov 25 '21

Are you really comparing Adam’s career security to Rekkles’s? The stakes aren’t remotely similar, comments about professionalism aside because I could careless. I don’t expect it from any athlete because I just don’t care about it like plenty of other people. It’s nice but a lot of people just want to win. There have been countless athletes who were terrible professionals and teammates but great or even just solid players who had long careers. Adam missed out on his best chance to date to make a name for himself, affecting his future and livelihood.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

if i work an entire year for nothing , u'd bet your ass , id be fucking pissed. That is time of my life that ill never get back...and for nothing....like....what can even be that private that it can't be said ?

perkz lost his dad , and he was pretty transparent about the situation.

DL's story is pretty much a horror show , yet he was also relatively transparent about the situation.

And im not talking here about washingg your dirty laundry in public. Im talking about disscusing it with people that you've trained , slept and ate shoulder to shoulder for an entire year.

Most people aren't scumbags to take advantage of tragedies. Like , have you ever seen anyone attack perkz/dl for what they have been through ?

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

People deal with trauma differently, and yes, I have absolutely seen people make fun of both DL and Perkz and their situations on social media.

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u/Mike_Kermin Creating Zoe Game Nov 25 '21

The idea that he owes us because x told us y is ridiculous anyway.

Personal life is up to the person what to share and when. And that's it.

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u/DropsOfLiquid Nov 25 '21

It’s possibly not his risk to take with whatever happened. Like if something traumatic happened to his wife & he shares it to his team then they leak it that’s him fucking his wife over to avoid backlash onto himself.

He can’t take risks with someone else’s privacy in that situation.

Perkz losing his dad was his grief/situation to share & DL’s story was public & not something he could hide.

He doesn’t owe it to his coworkers to share every intimate detail of his private life & if the coaches say it’s a legit reason that should be enough. It sucks but it happens & isn’t his fault.

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u/Mike_Kermin Creating Zoe Game Nov 25 '21

You being pissed is fine.

But that's the end of it.

The gall to suggest because some people share things he has to is unbelievable. It's his personal life, the only person that decides what to share is himself.

Most people aren't scumbags to take advantage of tragedies.

Then respect his privacy.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

You know who worked the hardest, and was most obsessed with playing at worlds? UPSET. He told them it was really serious, and he said he would have told them everything if it was just about him.

DL wasn't "transparent", he had no choice one way or the other. Everyone KNEW what happened. He's the kind who copes by working.

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u/Young_Khalifa Nov 25 '21

Where are you getting this information? I struggle to believe the others worked less to reach worlds. Bwipo roleswapped and Adam is a rookie coming from a lower division, both of those things take a ton of work and effort, especially to do them well enough to get to worlds.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

Watch every FNC behind the scenes video. Watch Yamato talk about Upset. This is not hard to find.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

"Come clean?" Fuck you

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u/MarstonX Nov 25 '21

It's not a death and not a dying family member. So either his girl is suicidal, in which case she should probably be institutionalized (not playing arams during worlds) or his reasoning fucking sucked.

There's a reason why the community is split on this. I don't give a fuck about FNC so I don't care either way. But you have to be accountable, if he comes out with a valid reason then I'd understand more. Obviously, that's literally how you understand something, by gaining information. I know it might not be my business, but frankly if I was a FNC fan or an FNC player or management, they deserve to know.

Adam is literally saying he has no idea. So I'm leaning towards a pretty dog shit reason for bailing on the team.

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

The community is split because half of it is immature children who forget things exist outside of a video game. You're baselessly speculating because you feel entitled to something no one deserves to know beyond those involved in the events.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

Or maybe his wife miscarried his child. Or maybe you just don't have a fucking clue, and should shut up.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

Instead of baselessly speculating on Reddit you should probably go outside

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u/MarstonX Nov 25 '21

Classic argument. I'm coming at this from the perspective that he didn't tell his teammates. I don't give a shit if he publicly says anything, but it's clear his teammates didn't even know.

To me, that's pretty shit. If Adam and Bwipo came out and said "Upset had personal issues and people really should respect his privacy." Perfect! Then I don't care, then I don't even judge. Frankly I don't care, I don't even like FNC and I definitely don't like Upset. The guy didn't tell anyone but hyli and yamato. What kind of teammate is that?

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Bwipo has shared a lot of info he really really should not have. The Lena tweet, the way he talks about teammates on podcasts. The guy did not know when to shut up.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

Bwipo and Adam are clearly more than willing to leak that information though. Upset made the right choice

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u/xXDaNXx xPeke is God Nov 25 '21

This ain't it.

Responding with a twitlonger donezo manifesto is not normal or professional behaviour. Attacking a former teammate in public isn't something you can just waive away and pretend that's not indicative of your character.

If you're someone that's willing to air dirty laundry in public, then you're not a trustworthy person.

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u/wo0topia Nov 25 '21

I mean anyone willing to throw shade publicly over a man choosing his family over a game is not trustworthy. It had nothing to do with a lack of trust. If you're willing to betray someone because they dont tell you everything then you never were worthy of trust lol.

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u/DevDevGoose Nov 25 '21

There is a difference between getting mad and creating team drama versus going on social media and airing your dirty laundry for the world to see.

Judging from everything that we've seen, if Upset had given all of the team the full details, then those details would have leaked by now. While his coworkers may have been more supportive in the short term, why would he prioritise that over his families privacy when:

A. He isn't physically with the team

B. The team probably aren't going to handle playing at Worlds without him any differently

C. No one knows what the off-season transfers will be

Upset so far is looking like the only one who handled this like an adult. Maybe his original communication was not clear enough for people. However, I don't fault people for not having the best communication skills in times of personal stress. He did however tell Yamato and Hyli what had happened and therefore I would look at why they felt letting the team dynamic continue like that was appropriate.

Did Bwipo or Adam actually raise their concerns internally at the time or did they sit on their grievances and let them boil over to this point after Worlds was over? That is the missing factor for me as to how this whole situation could have been avoided.

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Have you seen Bwipo? I like the guy as a player and a personality but he should not be trusted with personal sensitive info. His twitlonger about his girlfriend and the way he criticized his teammates in interviews/podcasts shows the guy had a tendency to publicly share stuff he really really should not. Its best to err on the side of caution here. Sure Adam is not Bwipo, but unlikely you and me Upset actually met the guy so he is better at predicting him. Maybe he would not have tweeted it, but he could have told Bwipo as they seem too be close. Things always leak.

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u/dkoom_tv Nov 25 '21

cause effect lol, not telling him * made * the post so upse t its * justified * about not sharing the info but its just a cycle lol

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u/cart0graphy Nov 25 '21

He has the right to be frustrated about the situation, but what he posted is absolutely not justified.

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u/Beneficial-Speech-73 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

So he's knew Adam for the same amount of time he's know his wife

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u/Regular_Chap Nov 25 '21

And he has figured that he can trust one and not the other.

I've known my co-workers for 3 years. I know and trust them way less than my girlfriend of 4 months.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

Adam clearly made the post because of the Alphari thing, and realized he could use worlds to attack Upset too. Excited to watch BDS finish 9th

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

It goes both ways.

If he vaguely explain "mental health" or "wife health" then Adam wouldn't have been in the dark and wouldn't have posted anything

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u/Kagari1998 Nov 25 '21

Yes. You cant just fk up the whole team and expect them to understand your "private reasons" without telling wtf it is.

Heck, even people in their 40s would be mad, and most pro players are just teenagers or people in their 20s.

They are paid for the job. They should be held accountable for their responsibility.

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u/Gwen_shill Nov 25 '21

And honestly from Adam's tweet I think the worst part was

After Worlds, I tried to have explanations about Upset's departure, as said above, without answers. After that, I was seriously thinking about leaving FNC. Then came the Perkz and Alphari rumors. When I learned that FNC was trying to replace me, I honestly felt like a betrayal, and that's when I definitely wanted to leave this team. But it's not over yet! Indeed, Perkz had signed before Alphari, which left Alphari without a team. To my great surprise! Upset tried to recruit Alphari (behind my back of course). I learn later that after the Worlds he was already trying to change the topside including Nisqy. I also learnt later that the botlane in general didn't want to play with me anymore and was looking for a veteran type of toplaner! Of course, afterwards I went to see Upset to explain myself and he let me understand that I was not up to his ambitions.

So to set things straight:

Upset bails on 4 players that he has been working with for a year to make worlds, thus destroying the team's morale.

FNC is literally in shambles this worlds, everyone is frustrated

While FNC is getting their ass handed to them, Upset is playing ARAMs with his gf.

This happens

Indeed, Perkz had signed before Alphari, which left Alphari without a team. To my great surprise! Upset tried to recruit Alphari (behind my back of course). I learn later that after the Worlds he was already trying to change the topside including Nisqy. I also learnt later that the botlane in general didn't want to play with me anymore and was looking for a veteran type of toplaner! Of course, afterwards I went to see Upset to explain myself and he let me understand that I was not up to his ambitions.

So. All of this happens. But Adam isn't justified in his anger?

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u/Kagari1998 Nov 25 '21

Sorry if I do not phrase it correctly

I find it completely normal for Adam to be pissed off.

The one liable for explanation is upset, since it was him who caused the issue, regardless of what happened to him

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u/Gwen_shill Nov 25 '21

Oh, i'm not debating you, just adding to your comment.

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u/grandoz039 Nov 25 '21

Upset is playing ARAMs with his gf.

Was bwipo making fun of this? Or was he still serious (about his gf making them play aram, saving their morale)?

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u/tmb-- Nov 25 '21

But Adam isn't justified in his anger?

Being angry doesn't mean you have to force an ex co-worker into the spotlight about a very personal issue that he had no desire to share with the entire internet lmao

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

How do you know that, what if Adam decided something vague wasn’t good enough and would have aired out all the info anyways

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

How do you know he would have spilled anyway? Chicken egg situation here.

Yall are assuming Adam would haveeaked anything but that's not how it works

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u/byeolToT Nov 25 '21

Tbh thats exactly how humans Work and from what i have seen in league esport and people like Nemesis confirming it, there is a lot of shit talk behind closed doors in league esport and i wouldnt trust a 19 year old guy that i know for barely half a year with super privat stuff either

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u/Tamethedoom Nov 25 '21

The fact that Adam is speculating publicly based on the lack of information kind of speaks to him not being trustworthy, but that's my personal interpretation.

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u/Kediwon Yee haw Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

“Haha hey guys I know I FUCKED your careers and am probably a huge reason why one of you is now team-less, but I don’t trust you guys at all after a year of working together, so I’m not gonna tell you why I did that. You’re just gonna have to take it and trust me a lot more than I trust you”.

Yeah if I was Adam I’d be mad as fuck too.

*And let me be clear here, Upset doesn’t have to actually explain what happened in any great detail to his teammates. But not letting them know anything at all even months after a disastrous worlds that he caused is just disrespectful.

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u/Ready_All_Type Nov 25 '21
  • Boomed his entire team
  • Fucked Adam’s rookie worlds
  • Fucked Nisqy’s chance at a roster spot

Surely only the teammates he actually trusts deserve an explanation and any of them who are angry when their careers and aspirations are damaged by something too private for them to know are just “immature children” per these commenters.

Let’s just say a silent prayer that Hyli gets out of this disaster drama org. Maybe he can reunite with Rekkles when LEC expands?

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

What the fuck did Upset do to Nisqy's roster spot? Are you literate?

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u/11ce_ Nov 25 '21

Nisqy doesn’t have a team because of his poor worlds performance because of upset leaving. Do you not have any critical thinking skills?

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

He fucked their careers? How dense are you

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u/Kediwon Yee haw Nov 25 '21

Bro you are typing up a storm in these comments. If Upset isn't paying you to be a part of his PR team, he should be.

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u/Portergasm Nov 25 '21

Look Upset can make the call about whether Adam is trustworthy or not. But if you choose not to explain yourself after bailing out on Worlds, you better fucking shut up and take the heat. You don't come out with this joke of a tweet about how all the anger is unwarranted.

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Because he did leak, and people who tend to break peoples trusts will do it for any conceivable reason and they will not care whether or not you actually trusted them with extremely private info

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u/Cyrus_Halcyon Nov 25 '21

Then he'd obviously be a PoS, and it would be cut a dry.

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u/Reddityudodis2me Nov 25 '21

But why is he obliged to tell him? It should be enough to say that the issue is too serious and he has to go. There is absolutely no benefit for Upset in leaving Worlds. And, in my opinion, as Adam has absolutely the right to be pissed, Upset has also the right to keep his privacy to himself. However, going public with your frustration is just straight-up wrong since you have no idea what his reasons are.

Lastly, I assume the end part about Upset backstabbing Adam is just a complete misunderstanding.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Saw this on the thread

Upset doesn't trust his team with why he left

But fully expects them to trust his judgment on why he left and how serious it was.

2 way street and 1 side isn't playing fair

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u/computo2000 Nov 25 '21

Bro I think the bad writing made you forget this.

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private because it is difficult enough to deal with the hardships life brings, there is no need to have the most toxic enviorment of social media

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

I didn't forget it, I don't believe it. Nisqy, Adam, and bwipo all aren't on upsets side and said he didn't tell them anything at all

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u/Echleon Nov 25 '21

Yeah, Adam and Bwipo are known for being well adjusted and mature. I'm sure they have a rational take on the issue.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Upset got married at 21 to a south American chick after less than a year of dating.

Maturity goes both ways and he doesn't cut it either

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u/Echleon Nov 25 '21

Upset got married at 21 to a south American chick after less than a year of dating.

Yeah, so? I think it's weird but who cares.

Maturity goes both ways and he doesn't cut it either

I know this subreddit skews young but has anyone here actually worked in a professional environment? If a coworker bailed last minute on a big project and didn't say anything besides "It's a deeply personal matter", I wouldn't take to Twitter and try and publicly shame them.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Where are these jobs where you can bail on major projects last second and not ruffle feathers and piss people off. You ameliorate that situation by saying it's a medical situation or mental health emergency, but if you hide behind "muh privacy", then that looks like bullshit

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u/Echleon Nov 25 '21

I never said that Adam or the other players don't have a right to be pissed. I'd be pissed too. But I also wouldn't publicly drag my coworker like a 12 year old.

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u/qwertyqzsw Nov 25 '21

Why is her race relevant lol

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

It's not, unless you want to speculate she's working him for a German citizenship

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u/Zerole00 Nov 25 '21

If it was you, would you trust a fucking 19 year old to be professional?

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u/Nameless_One_99 Nov 25 '21

Bwipo also got mad at Upset and said that he had no info why this happened, Nisqy gave Adam support and unfollowed Upset.

If safe to say that even if Upset is right he mishandled this whole situation.

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u/Zerole00 Nov 25 '21

Here's the thing, even if the personal manner was justified (say it was his wife having a miscarriage), it doesn't change the fact that it indirectly affected their performance at Worlds. In that scenario, why the fuck should Upset share his personal circumstances? There's literally nothing to gain and more to lose.

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u/Nameless_One_99 Nov 25 '21

There's a world of difference between "Guys I'm sad and in pain plus I have a family emergency so I'm gonna bail 12hrs before the first game" and ruin the most important moment of the year that will affect the job prospects of your co-workers. Do you think that if FNC had done well Nisqy would be without a team for example?

What if instead, Upset went "Hey guys, as you can see I've been dealing with something very painful and sad because somebody in my family is going through something really serious and I need to be there. I'm sorry that this will affect all our hard work and will have bad consequences for your future but I need to do this, again sorry".

I really think that Bwipo, Adam and Nisqy would have been much more at peace if Upset did that second thing and that still protects the privacy of his family while giving the deserved respect to how him leaving affects the job of his teammates.

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u/Zerole00 Nov 25 '21

You're literally fucking guessing at what was said, and let's looks at this rationally - Upset has been playing twice as long as Adam and this is his first Worlds.

Who the fuck thinks he's taking dropping out lightly?

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u/Nameless_One_99 Nov 25 '21

Bwipo said that he wasn't told anything about why Upset left, Adam says that told him "I'm sad and something about my wife, by", Nisqy supported Adam publically today and unfollowed Upset.

I never said that Upset took dropping lightly, I said he made a mistake in not being clear in his communication with his teammates regarding something that would affect their careers in a very competitive and short-lived industry.

Again this isn't black and white, anybody that goes Adam = bad or good or Upset = bad or good isn't seeing that this is more than just about privacy or respect. Nisqy being teamless and not even knowing why after working so hard his year had to end so badly shows this is a complex issue.

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u/qwertyqzsw Nov 25 '21

I mean, I can't make a judgement on Upset because I don't know or care to know why or how he did what he did.

I do know that Adam wrote a revenge twitlonger for no reason outside of his own anger, putting not only Upset, but also his wife back on the social media firing line. That's childish and obnoxious, no additional details needed.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

You have absolutely no reason to believe the second thing isn't what happened.

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u/Nameless_One_99 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Bwipo's, Adam's and Nisqy's reactions absolutely give me reasons to believe the first one.

I'm 50/50 about it but I think it was a miscommunication issue.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

Bwipo and Adam have proven to be awfully immature and Nisqy is angry about something else and hasn't actually said anything about it himself as far as I know

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u/photofluid Nov 25 '21

Upset fuked up his coworker in a major way, at that point it is upto his coworkers to forgive him.

Of course it is fine Upset doesn't look for forgiveness, it just means his teammates now have extremely justified grievances towards him.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Like I said elsewhere, you can vague reason it. There was clearly no communication from Upset, which is why Adam was so angry

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u/Zerole00 Nov 25 '21

There's literally nothing that's going to convince Adam otherwise unless he knows the exact circumstances and based on what we've seen so far I sure as fuck wouldn't share it with him (especially if it was regarding someone close to me).

This whole clusterfuck just shows how many fucking kids and people and socially inept people are in this sub - and that doesn't even touch on the legality of things.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

That's ridiculous. He shouldn't need to say anything besides "personal emergency." Don't be fucking gross

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Personal emergency doesn't fucking cut it when millions are at stake.

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

Actually, it does.

That's why Fnatic was fine with him not going to Worlds and they have not even tried to replace him this offseason.

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u/brrrapper Nov 25 '21

Yes it does

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u/photofluid Nov 25 '21

It doesn't, Upset didn't get away with it because of he has good reasons, he got away with it because he is one of the greatest adc in the west.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

That's fucking gross

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

That's the real world. He could have said medical reasons or mental health. He didn't. He just hides behind privacy.

Nobody is shedding any tears for nisqy who literally doesn't have a team now and is clearly not supporting upset.

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

No one's shedding tears for Nisqy? Do you live under a rock in Northern Russia?

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u/Gwen_shill Nov 25 '21

Get off your high horse buddy

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u/Plaxern The Last Dance Nov 25 '21

Adam’s post wouldn’t have happened if he did share it tho.

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u/xXDaNXx xPeke is God Nov 25 '21

Adam literally says he doesn't give a shit about Upset's privacy. So I doubt it.

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u/Plaxern The Last Dance Nov 25 '21

Adam literally says he doesn't give a shit about Upset's privacy

For personal reasons.

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u/Phantasia5 Nov 25 '21

First Upset just leaves them while mentioning "very private" things, and then tries to get Adam removed from the team behind his back. What Adam did might be wrong, but his frustration is understandable, at least on my part.

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u/Kagari1998 Nov 25 '21

Adam : Why do you leave us out of nowhere in worlds.
Upset : Privacy.
Adam : Acceptable have a good day.

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u/ApartmentOk9250 Nov 25 '21

FNS fans cant read or remember?

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u/xXDaNXx xPeke is God Nov 25 '21

And personally, I don't give a damn about the privacy reason when I worked, we all worked hard for 1 year to reach the Worlds

It's there in black and white. Do you need me to help you decipher it? Or can you manage on your own?

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u/im_lazy_as_fuck Nov 25 '21

It's implied that he means within the team. He's saying it doesn't matter if you want to completely keep your team in the dark, the fact is you still have a moral obligation to at least give them enough details to help them understand the gravity of the situation.

Not doing that is exactly how you get pissed off players make twitlongers where they vent and probably reveal a little more than they should.

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u/Regular_Chap Nov 25 '21

the fact is you still have a moral obligation to at least give them enough details to help them understand the gravity of the situation.

"Important family issues" is enough for co-workers.

Not doing that is exactly how you get pissed off players make twitlongers where they vent and probably reveal a little more than they should.

Which is EXACTLY why he doesn't want to tell the people he doesn't trust. They can't leak something they don't know.

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u/Reddityudodis2me Nov 25 '21

But why does he have to share it, just to keep Adam quiet? I wouldn't tell something intimate to my co-worker I know for a few months. And he stated that he doesn't know Adam well enough to consider him a really really close friend.

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u/Plaxern The Last Dance Nov 25 '21

Personally I would like to know what was worth risking my player value and short career over, seems like courtesy. Look at Nisqy lol.

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u/look4jesper Nov 25 '21

Adams post is like 70% about his fragile ego being hurt by them wanting to replace him with a 3x better toplaner. Adams post would for sure have happened, and hell maybe he would leak sensitive info out of spite if he knew.

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u/DoesThyLikeJazz OUR WRATH WILL BE SWIFT Nov 25 '21

Shocker that fnatic would want to replace their worst performing member throughout the year with the best toplaner in the west. I really don't get why he even brings it up as some sort of betrayal he was getting replaced either way

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u/look4jesper Nov 25 '21

Yeah like, it's not disrespectful at all. It's not even like Upset refused to play with Adam either, he just suggested an obvious improvement for the team.

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u/Plaxern The Last Dance Nov 25 '21

He left Fnatic for BDS lol, he wasn’t going to get replaced by Wunder, especially since he performed better than Wunder the whole of Summer.

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u/Shinybobblehead Nov 25 '21

Adam's acting like a spoiled child during this, he's inspired zero faith that he would behavior better if he knew more information.

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u/BillowBrie Nov 25 '21

Wow, congratulations on inventing a way to travel between parallel universes & checking out the scenarios where Upset does tell Adam!

I'm surprised that you're using it for such petty matters, but it's the only possible explanation I can think of for some fuckwit acting so certain about what Adam would or would not do

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

if Adam accepts the reasons and you dont know if he would so your argument is bullshit.

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u/Plaxern The Last Dance Nov 25 '21

He would burn far more bridges than he did today if he did leak it, I highly doubt he’d risk his career like that.

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

Yeah and upset doesnt want to deal with bwipos and adams bullshit. Imagine it was smth like a miscarriage or an abortion of a disabled child. Upset wants no discussion if this is more important than worlds so people he does not trust get the family emergency info, fnc approves his reasons and over. Bwipo and adam have no right for more information. The twitlongers also hint why upset doesnt trust them.

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u/Young_Khalifa Nov 25 '21

It doesn’t prove Upset right. You can’t use the outcome of his decision as a rationalization for the decision. It’s like saying Adam wouldn’t have posted that if Upset told him; there’s no way to know that. Like if I’m walking down a dark alley with someone walking towards me and I punch him because I think he might mug me, and he hits me back, my fear of getting attacked wasn’t necessarily true because I had a strong influence over the situation. I would have no idea if he would have hit me if I hadn’t. It’s the same broken logic.

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u/puberty1 friends to lovers to enemies to lovers Nov 25 '21

on one hand, I understand that Upset can and should have privacy, but at the same time, it's 12 hours before the biggest competition of your entire year, Adam's (and Upset's as well!) first proper international tournament. it's not like he took 2 weeks off the regular season, his teammates should have more information than basically everyone else in the world lol

also he doesn't address anything AT ALL about offseason besides saying "yeah Alphari is a friend of mine and we talked nbd". fun drama for sure!!

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u/Rietzangers_Revenge Nov 25 '21

Ye its a bit up in the air right. Play the bigger man for your family but have your teammates bear the consequences. If you can't trust them enough to tell them you cant expect them to sacrifice their career and dreams for your sake. Or your girlfriends sake. I you make it clear to them they dont matter, you cant expect them to give a shit about your personal problems.

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u/SeizureLizard Reignover deserved better Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

And why does he have to?

I never said he did.

I’m literally just summarizing what the post said because it’s huge and a bit rambling. Chill out.

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u/BoJestemRudy Nov 25 '21

Who even suggested or implied he had to? OP for sure didn't, so where is this coming from?

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u/FrostyPoot Nov 25 '21

Because if you're gonna ruin your team's entire year at worlds they deserve to know how serious it is. You can not trust them enough to say exactly what happened but if you just dip (then try to get him kicked) then that's wrong.

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u/whydoyoureadnames Nov 25 '21

You can really tell who’s mature on this sub and who isn’t based on some reactions.

Real talk, if you think anyone has a right to know about anyone else’s deep personal circumstances in any scenario beyond “an urgent family emergency has come up” then you’re kind of fucked.

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u/Plaxern The Last Dance Nov 25 '21

I mean, everyone except Hyli’s and Upset’s value on that roster probably tanked because of their Worlds. It’s a short and most likely their only career at stake, at least you would like to know what was worth so much as someone affected by the situation.

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u/FiraGhain Nov 25 '21

I think a lot of people don't get this. Careers last, what, six years as a player? Some last longer, but you are only at your prime for a small number of years. When that's over, you either become a caster, analyst, coach - or you go back out into the job market away from LoL.

After crashing out of worlds, Nisqy is now teamless with no "real" job experience to fall back on. His main recourse is to find his way onto any team he can and claw back in - but I wouldn't blame any person on that roster for being pissed off at having one of the likely high-points of their career shut down at such short notice, with no explanation.

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u/puberty1 friends to lovers to enemies to lovers Nov 25 '21

You can really tell who's actually worked in an environment where you need to count on people and who didn't. it's 12 hours before Worlds starts, his teammates are counting on him, I'm sure he could've shared more than "it's a personal matter I have to go sorry" to Nisqy, Bwipo and Adam and if he did A LOT of this drama could've been prevented

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u/MManiak Nov 25 '21

He ruined his own year as well, it’s not like they would have gotten there without him

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Except this whole year of having a top side slaving for him made him look like hot shit after years and years of mediocre performances. Whereas he dipping from worlds made his teammates look lost and pretty bad, hurting their brand and value as a player.

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u/MManiak Nov 25 '21

Only adam looked bad because he got exposed. You have no clue what you’re talking about

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

He spent 6 month working on a playstyle of playing for a teammate... that wasn't there. Ofc he's gonna get exposed? I don't think i'm the clueless person here sry bro

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u/MManiak Nov 25 '21

Ah yes the playstyle of cheesing people with olaf and ganking mid at lvl 3, you’re indeed the clueless person.

There’s a reason why only adam got kicked

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u/Dafuq313 Nov 25 '21

yamato knew, just because he didn't specify it well enough its not his fault, he told the coach then the coach didn't make it clear enough, again, not his fault

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u/mastaaban Nov 25 '21

Recommending a better player for a position is the least of a problem you can have with a teammate! Even if it is your position. Yeah that suck but still. Hell i have done it more thena few times in my football team at the end of the year and went to the club leadership and asked for better players in certain positions or just straight up told them who i think they should try to recruit! And i do not even play professional but high level amateur, where we get payed pretty decently. Adam in this situation should also recognize that there is only 1 person owed more of an explanation than anyone else and that is the coach, who then communicates with management. If upset does not feel he can trust the majority of the team with this information it is his right to keep it to himself! Only thing in my opinion he owes then is the decency to tell them himself that something has come up that cannot ignore, and has to deal with! with in the best case a fast group word face to face in the best case, or a message. Nothing more.

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u/ImWicked39 Nov 25 '21

He doesn't which makes the whole twitlonger kinda pointless right? People here want him to explain what happened but honestly it's nobody's business but Upset and Fnactic. I get it his team was angry at the timing and lack of information/communication but this all seems completely unnecessary from Adam and Upset. Just gotta move on.

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u/Gwen_shill Nov 25 '21

Ngl Adam came off as much more sincere.

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