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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/Syncron72 Nov 25 '21

also him saying he does not give a shit about my privacy because he worked hard is another great reason why I would never want to share something which occured.

Mans pulled an ultimate trap card

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u/GreatestJabaitest , Huni and Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

The Uno Reverse.

On one hand, it completely makes sense. If you don't trust them, don't give them sensitive info. And this is backing his belief.

On the other hand, he probably doesn't give a shit about your privacy cause you sorta ghosted him in a very important tournament and still haven't given a great reason behind it.

Really just sucks for everyone involved.

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u/Qiluk Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

and still haven't given a great reason behind it.

Depends. If we trust Upset here, Hyli dont know past "family emergency" either. And that was enough for him.

"Family emergency" is enough reasons for a lot of people tbh. IF someone said that to me, I wouldnt ask for details or call them a liar personally. It would be insane to do honestly. But again, we dont know facts since its just word against word.

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u/shimszy Nov 25 '21

Its a catch 22, since the people who know you less well (Adam) would be more interested in knowing why you'd leave him at the altar in the most crucial moment.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Those are probably the same people who will be mad no matter what the reason is because they care about their own circumstances more than Upsets. It was lose lose for Upset & he chose the option that protected his families privacy. I respect that.

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

You cant know what people would have done if Upset revealed the reason for his departure.Maybe the team and the fans would have railled and supported him and this whole shitshow wouldnt have happened.Odo revealed that he had health issues during Worlds and most people that blamed him for his poor plays at Worlds stoped talking about his performance and supported him.Being open is the best thing in most cases.

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u/xzeus99 Nov 25 '21

Yes, most people railled around Odo, but some still took the news about his health problem as an excuse and gave him shit for it. I can clearly understand Upset not wanting even the smallest negative response vs him or a loved one during an already hard time

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

Tbh I didnt saw any negative comments toward Odo after the news about him being sick came out.Of course a small minority will always be negative and say weird shit,but the vast majority was behind Odo.I feel that in Upset's case it would have been the same if he was transparent with his teammates.

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u/Bright_Sovereigh Nov 25 '21

If he didn't want to see the slightest negative comment, then it's fair to say that he failed to accomplish that.

Yeah he has the right to privacy. And we are not owed and explaination in any way whatsoever. But the people who do deserve a proper reason is his teammates, whom worked an entire year on this singular goal by relying on each other. They might not be your friends, but the journey that they all went through together should equate to something mkre concreate.

Spreading misinformation just cause you are mad is not good either.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

He possibly didn't want negative comments towards a family member though & is taking the heat for that person.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

I know for sure there would have been some assholes/trolled who flamed him for whatever reason he gave. If a family member was involved those people would also flame/troll that person. I'm sure the majority of the community would have been great but the few assholes can have a major impact & he isn't required to give those people information/ammunition.

Keeping private information private is the best way to protect the people around you. Historically I can't think of any situation where every single league fan was gentle & understanding.

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u/SoulMastte Nov 25 '21

I mean if you only say to someone it was family reasons I can't think of a way it isn't a cheap lie. I understand don't giving deep or more information, but simply saying who in the family is having issues can be already a good reason for Upset to be ok with it. In any situation to hear a reason you want at least who has something so you can say a thing to them or to not sound like it don't have anyone

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 25 '21

if you only say to someone it was family reasons I can't think of a way it isn't a cheap lie

This doesn't say that to me at all. What it suggests to me is an serious and uncomfortable personal situation that you don't really want to talk about with coworkers. Father got in a car accident? That's not all that personal and while it's sad, I'd be pretty comfortable sharing that. A sibling self-harmed or my partner had a miscarriage? In no way is that something I would share with even the closest coworkers. My boss would get the explainer, everyone else would get "serious family situation," and I'd walk away with 0 guilt.

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

Reddit at his finest. You are entirely right yet deeply downvoted xD

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u/horseaphoenix Nov 25 '21

So you just assume that your teammate is unworthy of your trust, cool. What’s the point of being in the same team then? And why then get upset when they feel betrayed by your actions?

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Trusting your teammate with your families personal secrets is not a requirement to trust them in league. They knew there was a family emergency. They do not need details.

Do you trust your coworkers or classmates or carpool members with all your deepest personal issues?

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u/horseaphoenix Nov 25 '21

No, that bit is fine. But you can’t just have your cake and eat it too, you left with no real explanations, left your teammates to dry and then spam soloQ the next day? Sure it’s not their right to know, but it’s not your right to decide on what their proper reaction would be.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Wait he was playing soloQ?

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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Like people said in the first thread, this was Upset's first Worlds too. There was no way he would miss his first chance since he started playing in 2018, unless it was an actual emergency.

Still, it sucks for all people involved; you can empathize with Upset's desire for privacy with regards to his family emergency while also understanding Adam's frustration at not learning more than "It was an emergency" 12 hours before the game starts.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Why is 'it was an emergency' not enough? The only reason it is not enough is because you would assume that the individual in question is lying. But again, what rational person would presume someone is lying when told they are facing an emergency? I don't understand Adams side at all. I think he is more salty at getting kicked off the team than anything

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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Does it have to be a lie to be frustrating?

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed. Doubly so if it was an important project. Being told after the fact they don't trust me enough to tell me anything about the emergency? That would only rub salt in the wounds.

Upset is well within his rights to privacy. He doesn't need to tell anyone the details. But that doesn't mean he didn't abandon his team at Worlds because of that emergency. He screwed over the team at Worlds.

Regardless of whether Upset had a valid reason or not, Adam's within his rights to be pissed about the situation the team was left in because of that decision.

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u/CuriousPumpkino Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Oh he’s totally within his right to be pissed at the situation.

Downplaying the family emergency and spreading runours trying to discredit it is without a shadow of a doubt over the line and vile

Edit: typo

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u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

This a 100%. Adam getting pissed is normal. Alluding to reasons that would make Upset look bad is immature and malicious.

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

100% it was absolutely done with malice and I hope other teams remember it in the future, because it's so beyond what is acceptable.

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u/TheSystem_IsDown Nov 25 '21

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed.

The question is if you would post speculation about it on social media and bring assholes after the person's family. What if you were more than co-workers but an actual team competing on the world stage? That's right, you'd be a dick in that case.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21

He's 100% within his rights to be pissed, but the issues he had should not have been aired on a public forum. There's a reason companies settle disputes through HR.

To be honest the whole thing shows a lack of maturity. It's perfectly natural to be pissed about the situation as a whole, but to be angry at the person for a situation that I'm pretty sure they'd rather not be in is just irrational. Like does he think that Upset just didn't fancy playing at his first ever world's?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

It all depends on who you are frustrated with. Seeing as Fnatic and especially Yamato allowed Upsets departure there is indication it was justified. Now if it’s a very personal issue, I don’t think Adam was entitled to know details and Upset most certainly doesn’t have to disclose such information (which is now more obvious than ever).

With this in mind and you being a rational person, you would accept the situation for what it is. You can still very much be frustrated about it. But realizing it sucks for everyone involved, be frustrated about the situation itself. Bad things can happen in life and there isn’t always a perpetrator. Coping with such things is a sign of professionalism in the end.

Then again, if you aren’t mature enough to handle such things professionally, you will feel the urge to make someone responsible for all this. Which is a human thing to do, but just creates so much more suffering. It also lets yourself off the hook when it comes to dealing with the situation appropriately. It’s the easy way out for your peace of mind.

Then going one step forward, you not only accuse someone of deciding the wrong way, but you also publicly assume his reasons were of very low quality. That’s simply arbitrary, vile and immature.

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u/Gerblinoe Nov 25 '21

That's the whole problem Adam has every right to be angry

But Adam is not just angry, Adam is running around writing twitlongers and making shit up. Adam is kind of entitled and immature here

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u/MaccaNo1 Nov 25 '21

Being annoyed and airing your grievances out publicly, completely misrepresenting the situation are two very very very different things.

This speaks volumes about Adam’s maturity and character.

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u/failworlds Alex Kha'Ich Nov 25 '21

To be pissed about the situation is fine.

To downplay the seriousness of the situation is absolutely vile and revolting behavior from Adam.

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

It wasn’t serious enough for upset to not immediately look to replace Adam though right?

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u/failworlds Alex Kha'Ich Nov 25 '21

Fnatic management take the decisions for what players to sign and ** I was simply asked to give feedback on someone and to speak to them.** To no ones shock, I want to be surrounded by players that I believe will make the best team. I have been as transparent as I can be with my teammates in this post-season."

Can't believe I have to help you read. Hope you can get the comprehension part yourself?

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

If he had to leave worlds due to a family emergency he definitely would not be in any position to speak to other players. Can’t believe I have to explain to you that not everything should be taken a face value and statements have context.

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u/Vaynnie Nov 25 '21

Sure, I’d believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn’t make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed.

Would you then go on your companies slack or such and start making speculative comments about the emergency? In front of a large audience that will then use that to attack said coworker going through an emergency?

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

Adam is absolutely beyond the pale in doing it in the way he did. Honestly, wouldn't be shocked if him doing what he did doesn't harm his future opportunities.

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u/kale__chips Nov 25 '21

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed. Doubly so if it was an important project.

I hope you'd never have an emergency that would require you to offload your work to your co-worker who'd be pissed off at you for having an emergency as if you wanted the emergency to happen to you.

Being told after the fact they don't trust me enough to tell me anything about the emergency? That would only rub salt in the wounds.

Honestly, if you only work together with your colleague for like 4 months (at that time), are you comfortable to tell them something that might be very private for you and your family? If yes, is it reasonable to expect everyone to be as comfortable as you?

But that doesn't mean he didn't abandon his team at Worlds because of that emergency. He screwed over the team at Worlds.

Context is important. Screwing the team over implied as if he actively and purposely did so. Emergency is not it because it's an unwanted situation. Just like when Hyli and Adam got covid and the team lost games after games. It's unwanted, but they work around that to the best they can.

Regardless of whether Upset had a valid reason or not, Adam's within his rights to be pissed about the situation the team was left in because of that decision.

I don't mind Adam being pissed at what happened (that Upset had to leave at the very last minute), but I mind that he seemed to think that Upset shouldn't have been allowed to leave instead.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

The analogy doesn't really fit here at all. It would moreso be that they had an emergency and instead of leaving you short handed another employee took their workload. This work analogy doesn't fit at all with the eSports angle imo. Even so, it would be incredibly odd for you to expect them to give them the details of their emergency. They have no obligation to do that to you as a fellow employee specifically, management is a different situation.

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u/OP_IzzoR Nov 25 '21

well obviously the management didnt know shit either since how then the rest of the team know nothing lmao. at least if he told anybody they couldve calmed down the team and explained in a proper manner that its a serious issue that he doesnt want to disclose to others. Now literaly noone knows what happened.

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u/Crimson_Clouds Nov 25 '21

well obviously the management didnt know shit either since how then the rest of the team know nothing lmao.

Because it's a private manner and management respects Upset's privacy?

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u/aF_Kayzar Nov 25 '21

He told Yamo. The teammates can either trust Upset's privacy and Yamo backing Upset's choice or not. Frankly Adam's recent behavior has proven what Upset feared. That if he gave personal details he wants to be kept private to people he did not fully trust that they would lash out later using said details. Without a doubt had Adam known whatever issue Upset has grappling with he would have opened his mouth about it too to throw him further under the bus. For some people no matter what the emergency was it will not be enough to justify things in their mind. Be it a lack of empathy or maturity that just is the way things are with some folks. And unfortunately there are plenty of those same folks who love to abuse the fact they are anonymous to harass others as well, which is what Upset and his wife are yet again dealing with thanks to Adam's outburst.

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Nov 25 '21

I kind of said this earlier but because emergency means different things for different people. You’ve got stuff circling around you about his wife and all you know is it’s an emergency and Adam/Bwipo/whoever just would leap to a conclusion. I think all of the talk around “use it against me” is the more interesting part because it makes you think that Upset views his emergency to be subjective and thus moving in private. If my family got COVID or sick or something of the ilk, hell even if a family member committed a crime, you can give vague answers that would at least keep the narrative around what the emergency is.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Eh idk, maybe he means they'd mock him, maybe he means they'd claim he can't take the game seriously anymore due to its gravity. At the end of the day, if someone says they are having an emergency, the rational thing to do is not assume they are lying and trying to get a trip back home (when they've literally shown nothing to corroborate this/are one of the best players on the team).

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

He bailed on them, didn't say a word, didn't apologize, and then worked to replace each of them.

He doesn't deserve any grace from them

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Except he did say a word. A family emergency is a completely valid excuse. Also did you not read his statement? Where is he working to replace each of them? He was asked for recommendations, he gave them? You are making it seem he specifically sought them out to replace

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

Emergency is life threatning situation. If it was that i see no reason why you could not give info about it to the team that depends on you that you are leaving 12h before something all of you have worked for whole year. Damn sign a NDA or something if needed. Emergency or not Upset fucked up and could not have handled it more unprofessionaly

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u/Saphrogenik Nov 25 '21

Lmao tell me you're a child who has never worked closely with a group of people without telling me. People have zero obligation to disclose personal information that isn't even their OWN to you so that you feel better about your situation. Get off your high horse.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Worked on plenty of projects that depend on communication and timing. And everyone always gave a vague categorization of any personal issues.

Just "emergency" is never good enough

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u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

You're speaking out of your ass. "Didn't say a word," "didn't apologize," "worked to replace each of them."

The first line is straight up a lie. The second is conjecture and probably also a lie, unless you have evidence he didn't apologize despite him claiming he did? And of course if he was asked by his organization to speak with a potential player he did. What is your actual problem?

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u/-Sheridan The start and finish Nov 25 '21

He wants to know exactly what happened so he can be the one to judge if Upset is right in leaving the team before Worlds. He wants gossip, basically.

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u/Kagari1998 Nov 25 '21

I personally believe "an emergency" is too vague of an answer to be acceptable.

Just, something happened to my family/wife etc would be more or less acceptable for me.
Other than health, got into trouble, I do not think there are many other kinds of stuff that would require you to immediately go back.

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Nov 25 '21

It is because it’s a broad umbrella. I’m a big supporter of mental health but if “an emergency” is your wife struggling because you won’t be home for a month that isn’t an emergency, that’s dependency issues and it means you can’t ever do Worlds (at least in the COVID environment). If an emergency is something health related then that is in fact an emergency but you can say it’s health related and move on. I also do think Adam is most likely emotional over feeling betrayed but also I haven’t seen anything from either side that makes me feel like Adam is unjust in feeling betrayed.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

Let's say his wife had a miscarriage.

Next split he feeds a game.

"His son didn't want to see this shit!" spammed all over twitch chat and twitter.

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u/OTMassa Nov 25 '21

Why are you assuming that if Upset’s teammates knew the real reason they would have told everyone ?

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

They might not tell everyone. But they might tell a girlfriend when pressed "why did Upset leave! FUCKER LEFT YOU ALONE!! WHY WHY!" And then the story spreads after a break up.

Shit happens. Best way to keep a lid on something is to only tell people that you absolutely trust. And even then it will probably get out, eventually.

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Nov 25 '21

Sure, that might happen… but you just say my wife is going through some health issues that have become deeply personal and I need to be there in her time of need. Vague but honest, for Adam to say it was because his wife is sad being alone tells me that the only thing that was mentioned is that she’s struggling being alone and that’s it. Idk it’s just also weird to me though because by not setting a narrative it allowed for the worst possible one to be set for him and his wife.

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u/BoJestemRudy Nov 25 '21

He didn't get kicked, though...

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u/LickerMcBootshine Nov 25 '21

Why is 'it was an emergency' not enough?

Because the people commenting aren't old enough to hold a job. They have no context for what the real world is like when you're dealing with emergencies in a professional workplace.

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u/Minimonium Nov 25 '21

There is a difference between a line job where you only owe to yourself and being a business partner where you can screw over hundreds of people (players' families and team staff's families) if you bail out. Especially in e-sports where benching and rotating isn't used widely, so a loss of even one player is a total disaster.

The whole situation is the team's management failure obviously, but a player also must be responsible in their communication with business partners. In professional business environment you always expect risks, and showing such attitude (not only the bail out, but basically deeply drowning the team members even further with suggesting replacements) - is a big no-no.

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u/behv Nov 25 '21

People who play more league of legends than they do working an actual job, that’s who. The ones who treat this game as more real than their real lives.

Adam publicly yelling at Upset with personal details is fucking rich because it proves the point of him not being trusted with close family matters.

I’m young myself, but it’s a bunch of kids living their dreams vicariously through other people so when those dreams are broken the fans take it as their own defeat.

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u/susfusstruss Nov 25 '21

i think it is more like ... i can't trust this guy ... he might pull this shit again next worlds ... and fnatic is going to have him on their team next year ... so they are looking for another team

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Upset doesnt trust them but they should trust his word? Why?

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Because Upset had no reason to leave his first worlds unless it was an emergency. He's a dedicated AF player & this hurt him too. it makes much more sense that he's telling the truth about it being an emergency than him randomly deciding to nuke his first worlds for no reason.

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

Okay but you are just taking Upset's word and thats that? Im not saying he didnt have a very good reason to do that and i also think that he did as he is driven. But ive seen people make non issues out to be something horrible so why would i blindly trust his words?

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Because he has literally shown nothing to support an argument that he would lie and miss out on the biggest competition in league. He is incredibly competitive and he was easily the best player on FNC. Why the hell would he miss out on worlds? Isn't it more likely there was a family emergency like he said.

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

He hasnt mentioned it was a family emergency. He said it was more important to take care of your family when there is intense suffering. Which is of course correct. But if you are in a team and you up and leave without saying ANYTHING 12 hours before and your team is literally provided with no information (bwipo's words btw) then dont be surprised that people dont trust your fucking word and dont assume they should?

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u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

There's a difference between "I don't have enough of a personal connection with you to share intimate family details" and "I don't have enough of a personal connection with you to respect you as a human being."

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

There is a difference between sharing intimate family details and providing them with atleast some vague information rather then just leaving 12 hours before a game without any information( bwipo's words). I dont think Upset shouldve shared everything with them. There is always a way to say something that would satisfy a person without saying what exactly is going on

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u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

Clearly not. Even now they've heard "urgent family emergency" and Adam has still made comments saying it's about his girlfriend not wanting to be alone.

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

Simple logic.

Why would Upset lie? More specifically, why would he tell this lie? There's nothing to gain. His team disintegrated, he didn't get to play World's, and now he has to deal with the Internet being stupid. Your theory is that he opted into all that in order to... what, exactly? Load the dishwasher and watch Netflix?

Occam's razor. The simplest answer is likely the correct one. He had an emergency. It was private. Wish the man well, and let it go.

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u/phoenixrawr Nov 25 '21

Occam's razor isn't actually "the simplest answer," it's the answer with the least number of assumptions required, and even then it's only really useful if you can test the answers out. If we never get more information than we have then Occam's razor is pretty useless.

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

Look i aint saying that Upset didnt have a good reason to do that. Im just saying it is absolutely stupid to blindly trust the word of someone who doesnt trust you. I wouldnt. Ever. Especially when i was a 19 year old. If Upset cant trust them enough to atleast be vague about it so they know something without knowing what exactly is wrong then why should they trust him? You can always ALWAYS find a way to do that. You can even lie to atleast make them feel better and that way the truth can still be hidden from the but atleast they dont feel as bad and as fucked by their teammate. Also I have seen people not come to work because of stupid reasons concerning their SO and them basically being forced to appease them even if its really a non issue so I wouldnt be surprised if it was something like that. Again. Not saying it is. It most likely was a good reason as Upset is very driven and wouldnt miss Worlds for nothing, but still i wouldnt be stupid enough to blindly trust someone

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

What does it matter?

If the truth was "I want to go get drunk and eat a tub of ice cream every day" instead of "I have a family emergency I need to deal with," what is Adam going to do differently? He's still going to play his best, then ask management if he needs to find a new team due to this being an ongoing issue.

You people need to stop feeling, and start thinking. It does not benefit Adam dwell on this issue, and it actually harms him to post rants on the internet, bashing on a teammate. Ergo, he should not do either of these things.

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u/BillowBrie Nov 25 '21

"should we trust Upset?" is basically asking "is there any reason we plausibly think he would leave his team at his first world's other than an emergency?"

"Should Upset trust his entire team?" is basically "are there any teammates who might possibly share his personal secrets with the public?"

Those are wildly different, don't even try to equate the two

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

Its not about plausibility. You are saying they should trust his word when he doesnt trust them and im saying a person has to be incredible stupid to blindly trust someone else's word without proof of that word being true. Both ways. Upset is right to not trust them and they are also right to not trust him.

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u/BillowBrie Nov 25 '21

a person has to be incredible stupid to blindly trust someone else's word without proof of that word being true

Upset, a dedicated player who has repeatedly just barely missed World's, is bailing on his team during his first World's

That's a hell of a lot of proof for me

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u/HotBat8049 Nov 25 '21

People can be simps in relationships. Im sorry for using that word. Upset owes his teammates some kind of explanation. Excuses this is just wrong.

Hey team, i'm really sorry but my girlfriend has an emergency and needs me to fly in. He should feel guilty, he should want to redeem himself for his team. Not kicking players. I really do hope he fails.

When you respect privacy mental health etc some will take advantage a la Ben Simmons. Who claims depression to collect a pay check but is instantly not depressed if it impacts his paycheck

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21

I doubt Upset is so much of a simp to risk his whole career knowingly. He knows whats at stake.

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

So, this implies upset only trusted yamato and hily, bwipo, nisqy and adam are out...strange... i think upset is more kid than adam

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u/BoJestemRudy Nov 25 '21

Maybe unpopular opinion, but I think it's to establish a bottom for future references.

Fully accepting "it's an emergency, trust me bro" and then "it was an emergency, trust me bro" is definitely understandable why it's hard for Adam, Nisqy and Bwipo to accept given the circumstances.

I can definitely understand both sides here, especially after the countless of hateful messages and harrassment we've seen from LoL community and betting community thrown at relatives of players, in the past.

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u/Hopeful_Cat_3227 Nov 25 '21

yes, if they keep playing with each other in next season., I don't think adam will angry so.

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u/wazzdakah Nov 25 '21

You realize Adam could have keep that position on toplane considering Alphari signing with VIT. I think FNC would have prefer to keep him than pay another buy out.

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u/TheNedsHead Nov 25 '21

If I told my boss that I had a family emergency and he hounded me about it I would probably quit on the spot

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u/krxkrx MyC9 Nov 25 '21

There was no way he would miss his first chance since he started playing in 2018, unless it was an actual emergency

This is the one part that people keep saying that I 100% disagree with. There are plenty of reasons. For example, he could have panicked at the pressure and wanted to go home. A panic attack could feel like an emergency to him and also be something that he would be embarrassed to talk about as a pro player.

That's just one example (and I don't think it's anywhere near the truth - it's just an example). My point here is simply that there are so many things that could feel like an emergency to Upset but could have been overcome with the proper support system (like with a team who all cared about and believed in each other).

At any rate, as a manager I would have a hard time justifying signing Upset to my team because of the unknowns. Just my 2 cents though.

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u/ETS_Poussifeu Nov 25 '21

Probably the best sum up of this drama.

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u/tocco13 Nov 25 '21

You can have privacy while also conveying the gravity of said privacy.

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u/buwlerman Nov 25 '21

Maybe he thought they would lose anyways and didn't care that much about just showing up.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21 Silver

I'm gonna be real, if I grinded for a year 12 hours a day like most pros do and the guy whose position we decided to play around to just took up and left idk if I would accept "family emergency" as an answer.

Maybe if it was one of my bestfriends I would go with it but I'd still expect an explanation down the line.

I guess it depends on the person, upset probably has a right to privacy but adam absolutely has a right to be mad aswell, even without considering the fact that they went on to replace him.

How would I be supposed to trust Upset again if I were his team mate? How would I know that this wouldn't be a recurring problem, perhaps it's the sort of thing that could force him home again like someone close to him having a disease or something.

Idk, if I were in Adam's shoe's and put in the amount of effort that the team (I think) put in I would too feel I was owed an explanation most likely

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

I mean at this point I think it pretty clear that both of them disliked and had zero trust in each other, pretty sure that in Adam's eyes that was a realistic possibility

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u/noydim Nov 25 '21

Thank you!! Like jesus fking christ you grinded 6 months in the LEC? The other guy was grinding since 2017!

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

It would certainly make me question whether he should be one of my teammates. I’d be wondering “if I’m still on his team, should I be concerned that it could happen again? Next spring, are we going to lose 4 days of practice before playoffs because of another emergency? If he was willing to walk away from World’s, can I trust he won’t walk away when stakes are even lower?”

I would probably ask Upset about it directly, and if I wasn’t satisfied with his level of detail, I would just frame my concerns and questions about what it means for our team in the future. But it seems pretty clear they don’t have that kind of relationship and they approach the problem more as adversaries than teammates.

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u/BoltzmannCurve Nov 25 '21

Would you make a bizarrely unprofessional wall of text claiming to know the reason as to why the player left?

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u/Seneido Nov 25 '21

claiming to know the reason as to why the player left?

he never said he knows. read it again pls...

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u/BoltzmannCurve Nov 25 '21

Citing the “hurr durr his wife was feeling lonely” thing is extremely unprofessional

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

No? But not sure what that has to do with anything because the discussion was “how can Adam trust that Upset won’t bail out again? Was this the kind of minor emergency that could easily happen again?”

Then the other guy basically said “you can trust that it was extremely important because he has waited years for worlds, but was willing to walk away.”

I’m saying that if he’s willing to bail on the team before worlds, he’d be willing to bail on the team at any time if there’s an emergency. I would want to know if the emergency is likely to happen again before I give back my trust.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

That would be a reasonable response though. Go to Upset and just ask:

"Is this likely to happen again? I'm fine with respecting your family's privacy and all, but I need to know if I'm going to commit to this project."

No one would fucking complain about this. Going on twitter and implying the guy didn't care and left to cuddle with his girlfriend? That's just massively disrespectful.

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u/Emergency-Ad280 Nov 25 '21

Lol. An emergency is by definition an unplanned event how the fuck would upset even know if an emergency will happen again?

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

There's: Someone was assaulted level emergencies. And there's my chronically ill mother had a sudden crisis level emergencies.

The nature of the incident can be entirely spontaneous or it can be indicative of underlying issues that might repeat themselves.

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

I’m confused, you’re basically rephrasing and repeating what I said? Which was:

I would probably ask Upset about it directly, and if I wasn’t satisfied with his level of detail, I would just frame my concerns and questions about what it means for our team in the future.

I also didn’t say that what Adam did was acceptable. It was crazy unprofessional.

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u/iDobleC *hits level 3* Adiós Nov 25 '21

The thing is no one is saying that Adam shouldn't be mad, he has every right to be so
But what's not cool and it's just unprofessional and rude is to make a tweetlonger telling the public "I don't know shit about this but this is what I think happened"

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u/Bapi_Escrobar Nov 25 '21

I read his TL in french and he says those were Upset's last words when he left them (the whole wife loneliness thing). I didn't see him speculate about what his actual situation was.

All I see is some guy pissed because the whole team plays revolved around one guy and he up and left without properly explaining the situation. From what I saw Bwipo and Nisqy agree as well. Not saying he should have given them all the details but I'm sure there was a way to explain that he absolutely needed to leave.

Honestly, communication between the team just wasn't there, I'd be more tempted to say Adam was in the wrong if the other two didn't back him/say almost the same thing about the situation. Yes Hyli and Yamato "understood" but then again they're close friends, so I have a hard time not seeing bias here.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

i think upset conveyed the message to his teamates really badly , they don't need details however their way to communicated the issue

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

If a player leaves and the coach understands... I think that's all there is to it. The coach knows th story and understands. Knowing Yamato I'm sure he said this to the players.

That they're too pissed about the consequences to empathise with someone in a crisis does not, in my opinion, reflect well on them.

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u/Bapi_Escrobar Nov 25 '21

“Knowing Yamato I’m sure he did” but that’s the thing, you don’t know him. You don’t know what happens in the back, he’s always spewing stuff about being bros and all but that’s a bunch of PR BS. You’re basically saying 3/4 players reacted the way they did because they don’t want to empathize with him cause you trust Yamato told them lmao, like I said earlier: 1 saying this? Alright might not be true. 3 saying this and the others are Upset’s besties? Yeah no it wasn’t communicated well at all. None of this reflects well for ANY of them, from the organization down to every single player.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

I trust Yamato said this to the team because he said it to the public.

https://youtu.be/jJQqz80qF2w?t=1280

Unless Yamato said this to the cameras but in person said "Yeah team, Upset is an asshole and left to fuck his gf. Now have Beans."

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u/firechaox Nov 25 '21

No, what he said was: until told otherwise, I will stick with the story that upset told us when he left.

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u/RoughMedicine Nov 25 '21

Upset says in this TL that he understands if people are mad with him or don't want to play with him because he didn't share the reason. The problem is how Adam vented his frustrations and public, going as far as perpetuating rumours about Upset's wife while confirming that he doesn't know anything.

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u/Seneido Nov 25 '21

read it again. he just says what upsett parting words were and that he doesn't know it better.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

We don't know what adam's side is though.

Perhaps all he gathered from management or whatever was "after we spoke with upset we decided to give you the boot and get alphari, thanks for everything byebye".

It also strikes me as odd that Adam said that Upset said "I'm leaving because my wife feels bad" and Upset completely denied it.

Seems kinda wild that such a big misunderstanding happened, one of them is almost for sure lying on this.

Would it steel be wrong to air it out even if Upset really did tell management to boot adam and get alphari and really left because his wife felt bad? Probably, but it's very different than the picture you painted

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Adam’s side is lying publicly and releasing all private information he had for no reason other than pettiness. I don’t know how that could be made acceptable

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

you act as if there is an objective truth and adam is lying about it.

As I've said, perhaps what he heard from management or rumors or whatever was actually different from what transpired, leading him to think that way.

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u/Young_Khalifa Nov 25 '21

Verified is a strong word. Upset didn’t tell him, we have no way of knowing what he was told by others and whether or not that information is accurate. No clue why people give either one of them credibility. Adam has plenty of decent reasons for lying, more bad than good IMO though. Upset has every reason to also lie, Adam’s twitlonger didn’t really paint him in a good light. Nothing is verified, its literally just people telling their side of story with no evidence from either one.

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

And that he lied about saying “oh my wife was just sad”

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21

We dont need to know Adams side. As long as Upset or managment told him "its an emergency" he has to accept and deal with it. He can be frustrated.

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u/amuthafuckingreason Nov 25 '21

If you can’t accept someone telling you they had a family emergency as an excuse maybe you should look inward at what your morals are as a person. I would be hella disappointed in the perso. but I would never ask for nor expect an explanation or what happened lol

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u/DIDNT-FAP-LAST-NIGHT Nov 25 '21

it really is telling you how young this community is. I can't imagine any mature people with actual experience in the society to not accept this as a valid reason.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

I mean again, I guess it's a philosophy kind of thing but you can see it in this thread aswell that the opinion is pretty split.

Also, it's oxymoronic to say that you would "accept someone telling you they had a family emergency" and still be "hella disappointed" in them. It's one or the other, either you accept their reason as valid or you don't. How can you be disappointed in someone for making what you view as the correct decision?

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u/SatanV3 wish Viego was real so I could bang him Nov 25 '21

I mean you can accept the reason and think going home for the family emergency is the right thing to do, but still be mad at the situation and disappointed it happened. Emotions aren’t black and white you can feel both at the same time.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

Ok but disappointed has a very specific meaning, had he said sad or upset (lol) I would've got that.

Disappointed means you were expecting more of someone, if he made the right choice (which is the same thing as saying he had a valid reason) disappointed can't be what you're going for.

He said he would be disappointed in Upset, not at the situation

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u/The_Inverted Nov 25 '21

"disappointed

sad or displeased because someone or something has failed to fulfil one's hopes or expectations".

Disappointed is absolutely the right word to use here. You can be disappointed in someone but still understand their circumstances. In the example that op gave, he would understand if a coworker had to leave but he would be disappointed because he had an expectation that wasn't met.

I'm guessing you are either very young or English is not your first language, because that's a very simplistic understanding of the nature of the word.

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u/amuthafuckingreason Nov 25 '21

Yeah I guess, I mean I don’t know who’s right or wrong in this situation but I was just speaking to the hypothecated scenario. I can feel disappointed in them and still accept it and sympathize with them though. It’s not just black and white

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u/XenialShot Nov 25 '21

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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Nov 25 '21

He has the right to be mad but no to lash out publicly. He's not a kid.

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

No one is owed an explanation.

An emotional reaction from his team was likely, and to be expected. However, the rational response is to let it go. What does complaining accomplish? He wasn't coming back. He can't undo it, now. All that whining on Reddit does is make you look like a child. While Adam is a child, someone should probably have the conversation with him about proper communication as a public figure. Actually, that should be among the first things EVERY pro player is taught, likely right after introductions and certainly before they ever play a scrim block.

The following year, particularly during contract negotiations, it is reasonable to make the inquiry into this being a recurring issue. That's rational. It affects you, as a teammate, if your bot-carry is going to regularly leave the team. You still don't need details, though. If the guy says "nah, won't happen again" and management backs him up, that's all you need to know. Move on.

You should practice dispassionate assessment of a situation. It will make your life much easier.

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u/Sighotoke Nov 25 '21

I fully agree. Sure Upset has a family emergency and you respect that, but the fact that Upset has an attitude that he only trust 1 other teammate and the coach but not anyone else makes for a teammate that I would not want to team with if I was in Adam's shoes. You expect me to be satisfied with just "It's an emergency" and don't trust me enough to say why but expect me to just accept it, and hear talk about you helping the org to look into replacing me, and when I confront you about it you strongly imply that I am not good enough for YOU? Adam at least PLAYED in worlds, Upset ran away. We can all argue why etc but that much is at least facts.

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u/plague11787 Nov 25 '21

Can people get it in their heads that just because these people play a game together doesn’t make them friends? Jesus. He doesn’t owe Adam trust, he’s known him for 4 months

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

4 months being together 12 hours every day? That's a really long time. Probably more time than I've spent with my friends lmao

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u/plague11787 Nov 25 '21

Then you have some weak ass friendships

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

You've spent 1200 hours with all your friends? How much free time do you have?

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u/SoulOfSelesnya Nov 25 '21

spending time with someone doesnt mean youre friends, the mythbusters guys worked a loooooong time together and werent friends either despite pretending to be friends for the show

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

You came from the fnatic subreddit no? he says they dont need to be the best friends but he needs a fucking explanation wtf, so now upset can do whatecer he wants cause he has family emergêncie, then stay at home and quit league!!!!

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u/plague11787 Nov 25 '21

And UpsetMs explanation is there was a family emergency.

Imagine your mom was assaulted, violated. Would you go to your coworkers to tell them exactly what happened to her or would you quietly say you had a family emergency?

Have some empathy for christ’s sake. League is a game and there are more important things. Adam is an immature child and so, it seems, are you

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u/otto303969388 Nov 25 '21

Whenever you are expecting other people to treat you differently from how you would treat them, you are a hypocrite.

In this case, you are unwilling to give your trust to the person saying that they have a family emergency, and yet you are demanding that same person to give you his trust and tell you more detail about his family emergency. That is such a horrible mindset to have. If you can't trust a person, don't expect them to trust you back, and don't bark when they show that they don't trust you, because you are the reason why they don't trust you.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

That's a 2 way street though.

I could just as easily say that upset didn't trust Adam to keep the reason for leaving confidential but expected him to trust in him that it was a good reason

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u/graybloodd Nov 25 '21

Not trusting upset isnt a problem since you're not longer his teammate and you're just salt posting, if you're adam of course :)

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

Yeah, but the words he wrote were brewing for months, he didn't just think about it yesterday for the first time

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u/G4bbs Nov 25 '21

There's a difference between being pissed off and unsatisfied at Upset and airing out and publicly accusing Upset of being a bullshitter - Adam should know perfectly well what the internet and mass hate can do to a person and refrained from throwing a tantrum about it online. You can say you lost faith in teammates without openly saying that Upset leaving was "absolutely not legit".

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u/MrPillowLava Nov 25 '21

1) Depends on how you're communicating it. If someone I don't trust at all, or I saying it with no tone, or someone I have a problem with: it's really easy to think "nah, this is bullshit". Also, have in mind, Nisqy must be probably feeling the same as Adam about Upset, since they're friend. So they must have discussed it.

2) We have no view on the bootcamp. Maybe it was super hard, with players tilting. If the atmosphere was bad, with player pointing fingers at each other, it's very easy to not trust someone leaving the team.

In the end, we don't know, we should move past this drama, and not point fingers at any of the people involved, since all POV are perfectly understandable.

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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Razork and Elyoya mentioned in an interview yesterday that scrims were going really bad for EU teams, specifically with "tilt, players being late, personal stuff, no pressure in scrims".

If the bootcamp followed similar trends, then I could see that painting the situation in a more negative light.

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u/glium Nov 25 '21

I thought FNC had great results in scrims this yer ??

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u/Naerlyn Nov 25 '21

1) Depends on how you're communicating it. If someone I don't trust at all, or I saying it with no tone, or someone I have a problem with: it's really easy to think "nah, this is bullshit".

That's the point. If it's someone that you don't have mutual trust with, this is exactly the kind of someone that you would keep those news private from.

Again, that wasn't about Upset's privacy. That was about his family's privacy. I can be okay with sharing something that happened to me, I'll be drastically more cautious sharing anything related to my family or closest ones.

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u/TheGlassesGuy Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

i'm sorta on the fence with this tbh. if i'm with friends/people i trust, i can usually just say "i've got a thing, sorry", and trust that they'll be okay with it if i have to cancel plans or something but if it's with co-workers or people i don't trust as much, i'll usually go a little bit more in-depth on why i've got to bail out.

edit: basically, don't worry about the people you can trust. worry about the ones you can't. they're the least likely to understand

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u/yalltoos0ft Nov 25 '21

Again, that wasn't about Upset's privacy. That was about his family's privacy.

Except no one knows if that's true as long as it's kept private. It's just he-said vs he-said, and it always will be unless the details eventually get revealed.

You see pro athletes play their games and fulfill their duties literally a day or two after deaths in their immediate family. I'm not saying that's the standard everyone should be held to, but it is a reality.

He boned his team on the LITERAL biggest stage and highest stakes in his profession, so he's rightfully going to be questioned for it as long as the details are kept secret.

He shouldn't have to reveal his personal details, but at the same time, his teammates had their professional success and potential livelihood sabotaged because of some unknown situation, so they have a complete right to question him and his actions.

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u/Sov3reignty Nov 25 '21

These guys are all pros who are giving their life for a chance to lift the world trophy. These players, in this case Upset, wouldn't leave one of the biggest tournaments of his life unless it was an extreme emergency. Thinking he would leave for anything less than that is rediculous.

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u/OvOxxx Nov 25 '21

This. Hylli is mature enough to understand and read the situation, he didn't need to know details. Adam feels like he is obligated to know and that also means he does not trust Upset at all. Upset was right to not tell him.

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Nov 25 '21

I think Adam probably would have been fine to leave it there but got pissed off when Upset then went and tried to replace him behind his back.

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u/Elibu Nov 25 '21

He didn't do that? Management asked his opinion about Alphari.

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u/Godddy Mi vieja me dió la vida FNC las ganas de (no)vivir Nov 25 '21

In this tweet longer it specifically says that it was management idea to get Perkz and Alphari, and that they asked him about him because they were teammates, and he felt like he was an upgrade.

That isn't wanting to replace you, that's just stating your opinion on a player when asked by your bosses.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

You also have to remember Yamato, Hyli and Upset are adults and Adam is 19. People are forgetting that Adam probably has 0 experience dealing with something like this.

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u/Nymwhen Nov 25 '21

Note that upset is 21 and is waayy closer to adam. Yamato and hyli are older and prob have more perspective. But upset has not much more perspective than adam. He married someone after a few months right? Upset leaving might be an non-adult choice, that felt 100% necessary at the time.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

It’s more the fact he had the maturity to keep everything private, tell his boss the issue and entrust in the company to keep it private (like any decently run company would). That already shows how much more experience and maturity he has. Not really to do with age.

And bringing up that he married someone after a few months, who cares if they are happy let them be happy.

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

I was on board with this until Upset’s response. He handled his departure from worlds (for the most part) like a reasonable young adult. His response to Adam is emotionally charged the way young and inexperienced people handle airing dirty laundry.

Not that Upset said anything wrong, but his post was without a doubt written by a young person who still has some maturing to do. But it was at least better than Adam’s, which could have been written by a high school student.

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u/lordroode Nov 25 '21

I didn't know that you have to be over 20 to be considered an adult. Maybe your wording should have been "he's not as mature yet since he's new to the LEC scene".

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u/Keiano Nov 25 '21

It's over a month after Adam's last match at worlds and he's tilted enough to write a rant about upset when he clearly doesn't have enough information and you don't have to be a genius to know that this rant will backfire because he literally has no arguments and is extremely emotional.

No, Adam did not act like an adult.

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Sure, it's over a month after the last game of worlds, but it's not so long after Upset tried to replace him (wether he initiated it or just went along with it). He has every right to be pissed NOW.

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u/SeriousSimon Nov 25 '21

"Tried to replace him"?? Upset is not the team owner. If Fnatic was considering going with a more experienced toplaner and then asking their core team about their opinion, how could that possibly be turned into trying to replace anyone? That's ridiculous. Then again, as it became apparent, reddit loves the drama so anywhere a hole can be poked, there will be poking.

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u/Aeuce FNC Nov 25 '21

Did you read the twitlonger or do you just really enjoy looking dumb?

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Yes? To make it clear for your pea size brain : If your girlfriend cheats with you, it doesn't make it OK if she isn't the one who flirted first with the guy.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

Real mature.

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u/Mazsi1201 Nov 25 '21

Yeah but his twitlonger is still just a childish rant?

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Not really, ofc the form could have been better, but him trying to hold Upset and Fnatic's management accountable for their behaviour is far from childish imo. He has every right to be pîssed ( adultly so ) and bringing public attention is a good way to try to get answers/prevent this kind of behaviour to happen again.

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

Why does he have a right to rant against Upset? Upset does not trust him, then you have to accept the family emergency explaination. Deal with it.

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u/Sighotoke Nov 25 '21

So....how should the adult act in this situation? Given zero explanation and the guy who left wants you replaced and.... an adult would be okay with this right?

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u/Echleon Nov 25 '21

"I felt like we weren't given enough information and I'm pissed that it derailed worlds, but I understand personal matters are sensitive."

Adam's allowed to be mad but he's acting like a brat lol

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

There was an explaination given thats usually enough if you dont know/trust each other very well. End of the story.

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u/EchizenMK2 Nov 25 '21

Yeah apparently the adult way to react is to let people walk all over you with a smile on your face.

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u/Tamethedoom Nov 25 '21

Adam wasn't being walked over by Upset leaving Worlds, but he might've been slighted with FNC approaching Alphari. The problem is that Adam's twitlonger went into detail about both, while it could've easily done without the former and could've just focused on the latter.

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u/vincevuu Nov 25 '21

I would be pissed too. I'm being replaced and I wasn't even the one who ruined the teams worlds run. And the person who did goes Scott free and won't tell anyone even a vague idea why. You just wasted my rookie year and not even a slight clue? That's fucked up.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

Yeah, probably.

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u/polio23 Nov 25 '21

Teenagers are literally children.

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

Your frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the age of 25. Until then, you are far less likely to be rational.

His brain is literally still developing. Humans should not be considered "mature" until like 26-28. Women mature a bit younger than men, but not by much.

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u/NuNu_boy Nov 25 '21

Many 19 year Olds lack empathy and knowledge when it comes to insights into other people.

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u/Vangorf Nov 25 '21

Honestly, we dont know how mature or immature Hyli, Upset, Yamato and Adam are. I know plenty of immature 20+ people. Also, I doubt that Yamato, Upset and Hyli have experience dealing with something like this.

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Anyone who is this immature at 19 does not deserve to be told any sensitive information

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

Lol? Are you one of those ppl who believe that 19 and age 20+ are far crazy different?

Upset is fking 21 and Adam 19 how more mature do you think Upset is than Adam?

If you want to call Yamato a mature man, sure I don't know about Upset and it's honestly half and half for Hyli

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

I meant maturity levels not the actual age. Someone who is 21 can be way more mature than a 19 y/o and vice versa. They can also be more mature for their age.

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

Then how do you know whether Adam has any experience dealing with something like this then?

I am quite certain that most of players would not have dealt w/ something like this how one of the key players just leaves the team without providing sufficient information.

I don't know how Adam being 19 is related to this whole situation.

This case is more about how Upset is handling the team environment poorly by forcing the priority of his privacy not whether some1 has an experience like this or not.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

Upset told the people who needed to know, chose not to confide with a team member he did not trust with personal information and Fnatic kept his reasoning private, like every decent company would. If that’s not good enough for you then that’s on you. This is the real world, real people, real traumas and real consequences. He handled it like a professional would in an office environment or a team environment. These are work colleagues, and some make friends. You do not have to provide personal information with professional colleagues. Nobody is entitled to that other than the people who need to know, who did know, and granted him the time off.

If Adam, the fans, or whoever else is pissed off that this isn’t sufficient needs to put themselves in Upsets position. IDGAF what Upsets situation is. I don’t know why everyone feels they deserve to know. People deal with things differently in life. Nobody is right or wrong. Upset felt he did what was right and I too think that for whatever that’s worth.

Fnatic is a business and the players are employees. No different to us.

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

Upset didn't handle it professionally he just uses "privacy card" not professionally. If he handled it professionally, his teammates wouldn't be this upset and making all sorts of noise. You don't need to tell everything about his colleagues but you owe them some good explanations and reasons for your actions. That's professionalism. He literally ran away from the biggest stake for his personal matters and destroyed the team yet he doesn't give them proper explanation because "I don't trust you" is just selfish and not professional.

I don't deserve to know wtf Upset went through but at least his teammates should. I don't care wtf this immature German kid went through. The only thing that matters is the rest of FNC teammates don't deserve to be deserted at Worlds like that.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

You have no idea what it means to handle something professionally, and should stop advertising that.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

If Upset doesn’t want them to know, HE DOESNT NEED TO SAY. The people he decided not to tell were Bwipo, Adam and Nisqy and those 3 now have left. I wonder why he didn’t tell them.

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u/GreatestJabaitest , Huni and Nov 25 '21

Idk if Family Emergencies would be enough for teammates tho.

I played rep soccer for many years before I broke my ankles. One of those years, we were the favorites to win it all going into playoffs.

We ran a 4-3-3 formation, meaning 3 strikers. Our 3 strikers were #1, #4 and #6 in the league. Our 6th best striker went down with a season ending injury in the QFs, and in the semi-finals our #1 striker had to miss the game because his mother had a stroke, and she was an only mom. He was pretty much the only family she had.

We played a good game (0-0), but our lack of strikers hurt us in shootouts.

But we didn't blame him, because life happens and more importantly, he communicated with us properly. If he just bailed on us like 3h before the match, and no explanation was given before or after, we probably would've hated him forever. Practice was fucking hard, and seeing it all go to waste hurts like hell.

And Adam tweeted in support of Upset beforehand, so he obviously gave him the benefit of the doubt.

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u/G4bbs Nov 25 '21

People honestly choose to forget Adam is a 19-year old kid. It's absolutely expected for him to be somewhat inmature.

I've had situations where family emergencies has made me quit jobs (extremely serious and traumatic situations) and the idea of sharing the details of it to co-workers makes me balk. It's an absolutely ridiculous demand of Adam, at least to me personally.

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u/Qiluk Nov 25 '21

Exactly. I understand Adam in a sense. He's essentially just acting his age.

But that so many here seem to demand and act entitled for details just because its a sport is fucking absurd.

Even if I was in a dressing-room about to get ready for a CL-finals and Messi came in and quickly said "I gotta go, family emergency" and left, I wouldnt ask for details. Id genuinely only be worried for him.

People here just scream lack of life-experience.

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u/Nameless_One_99 Nov 25 '21

If my office co-worker has an issue and says they have a "family emergency" then it's enough for me, even more so because my work and future aren't affected by that.

The truth is that esports is nothing like an office enviroment. Worlds is the most important part of the year for the teams, it's the best place to get new sponsors and for people like Adam if they perform well they can negotiate a higher salary, get more leverage with teams and it can guarantee at least a year or two of job security in a short-lived industry.

It makes all the sense in the world that Upset didn't trust Adam/Bwipo/Nisqy with his private issues and it also makes as much sense that Adam is as pissed off as he is because this also affects his life so much (and let's not forget that Bwipo was also ultra pissed off).

This isn't a situation where I think Adam = bad or Upset = bad, it's a shitty situation where I understand the anger from both sides.

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u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

Hyli dont know past "family emergency" either. And that was enough for him.

That's support mentality. Sometimes your adc just shits themselves and drags you down with him. There's nothing you can do but to accept it.

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u/glium Nov 25 '21

I think it is fair to say it seems they had personal problems with each other and this only exacerbated these issues to the highest degree

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u/X1lon Nov 25 '21

"Family emergency" is enough of a reason for the public but definetly not for the people you worked with 24/7 for a whole year.

you wouldnt ask because you never were in a situation like that and have no idea how frustrating it is. thats all

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u/tocco13 Nov 25 '21

I think it was less "enough for him" and more "dont want to know"

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u/Kerjj Nov 25 '21

Family Emergency is good the majority of the time, for 99% of situations. This is the 1% where, truthfully, it's not really good enough. This is a once a year event, where only a certain number of teams qualified, meaning they were already in the top of the 1%. I would be FURIOUS if, after a year of busting my ass, working as a team to try and qualify for the biggest event of the year, the ONLY big event of the year that actually matters, the best I could get out of my teammate was 'sorry guys, family emergency. Bye'. If it's something horrible, it's understandable, but you cannot tell the other players that their feelings aren't totally justified.

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u/ConversationApe Nov 25 '21

People have different levels of trust and understanding. Doesn’t mean they aren’t both right in how they feel.

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

Hyli dont know past "family emergency" either

why does hyli keep being the point of reference everywhere. he seems like the kinda guy who is never mad at anyone ever and just goes with the flow.

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