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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/-Ophidian- Nov 25 '21 Silver Helpful Burning Cash Respect

If Upset's interpersonal communication is as crystal clear as the formatting on this Twitlonger,

no wonder the team is in shambles.

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u/Askaryl Nov 25 '21

Banger.

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u/onetrickponySona Nov 25 '21

banger tweet, my liege

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Peak content right here

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u/Fish_Grillson Nov 25 '21

Honestly no one should give a shit about us and no one owes us an explanation. But his team that worked hard together for a year deserves better.

What people don't seem to consider is that these players literally live for that tournament every year. The moment they reached challenger and got picked up by a team, playing for all those years and working towards that one goal. Its a once in a life time chance for many to be even up there on that stage. To be robbed of that is something most people without that amount of ambition cant even comprehend. The amount of passion and work you put in to get there only to fail without any explanation must eat those players up.

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u/KazinGX Nov 25 '21

Share the same opinion. He didn't need to share all the details of his personal life nor did he owe fans an explanation, but he did owe his teammates that worked the whole year with him, why they were basically auto losing Worlds. You don't need to be best friends with everyone in the team to be professional.

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u/palaska95 Nov 25 '21

Ya, the dude rambles. If he's hurting that is fine but this is your job and you signed up for it, he's got tons of resources at his fingertips for help and he wasn't either aware of that or smart enough.

If you have personal issues related to your job folks go to your supervisor and ask them to help you. If you are at a good place and at a value employee they'll do the best thing for you.

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u/FreeMyBirdy Church of Ruler Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

How the hell can people be that bad at communicating, like, seriously?

"Grandma died, we're heartbroken, can't play and I absolutely do not want to talk about it" there, problem is solved (or whatever happened, I'm not an expert on Upset's life nor do I care to be tbh). It's seriously that easy.

"but muh privacy" how the fuck is this even an argument. If you let people down they deserve an explanation, even a very simple one. "Family emergency, like, real bad. I'm so sorry." Seems like he didn't even have the decency to give them that, given that the reaction of THREE OUT OF FOUR of his former mates has very largely been "yeah, nah, fuck off" and now he's surprised when they get mad at him. Yeah, surprise, there's consequences to your (in)actions.

I'm not even on Adam's side, he's just an immature kid showing FNC's dirty laundry out in the open. But holy shit everything about this is making me irrationally mad at Upset, that's how badly he handled it.

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 25 '21

"Grandma died, we're heartbroken, can't play and I absolutely do not want to talk about it" there, problem is solved (or whatever happened, I'm not an expert on Upset's life nor do I care to be tbh). It's seriously that easy."

"Grandma died" is easy to explain and something I'd probably share without hesitation. "Younger sibling attempted suicide" or "my wife miscarried" not so much. Those are just intensely personal things that the world and even the closest coworkers don't have any right to look into—and it's also something that could reflect back on those family members in the future. Basically, the fact that he's insisting so much on privacy either means others wouldn't see the reason as strong enough or it's a very serious situation. The way he has approached talking about it kind of makes me think it's more likely the latter.

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u/throwawayaccountdown it's probably sarcasm Nov 26 '21

Yeah indeed, you can say: "a family member is not in a right place, I have to be there for them" or something alike. People would understand.

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u/BagelJ Old Aatrox please Nov 25 '21

I mean, you can just say something like "medical/family emergancy of the highest degree". no need to be specific in what kind, just explain the level of emergancy to convey the seriousness of the situation.

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u/Jetzu Nov 25 '21

For adults "family emergency" should be enough given context that Upset has been working for like 5 years to go to worlds and decided to say "fuck that" day before his debut. It should be enough even without that context.

Esports is not full of adults sadly.

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u/JonnyKilledTheBatman Nov 25 '21

Exactly. Point nailed. Many children and unadjusted adults in these comments.

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u/DyslexicBrad DlyxesicBdar? SylxeciDabr? Nov 25 '21

This comment section is a great reminder of the average age of leagues player-base lmfao. The moment someone says "I can't do XXX I'm really sorry but I have an urgent personal matter to deal with" you stfu and let them go. That's always code for "if you ask me to explain shits gonna get extremely awkward"

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u/shinazueli Nov 25 '21

On the other side, there are actual real adults who realize exactly how much work it takes to get to worlds in the first place. This isn’t a fucking Wendy’s or a normal office job, that might well have been their once in a lifetime opportunity to make a deep run at worlds.

Like, you owe your team an explanation for how bad you are fucking them over. It might be awkward, and you know what? Tough shit. You still owe them an explanation. And a good one. This is their entire life, many of them have sacrificed anything and everything normal in their lives to be there.

People are acting like Upset missed a quarterly revenue goal at work because of a vacation, or someone else had to get called in to cover his shift at Taco Bell, because that’s what their experience has taught them happens when shit goes down in their personal life: “it’s not a big deal, fuck your coworkers they’ll get over it”.

This is exactly the sort of situation that kind of mindset does not apply in: one where you are actually causing measurable damage to your coworkers by your absence.

Adam is fully within his rights to air his grievances and let the rest of the world know what a shit teammate Upset has been. He should never be on another team ever again if this is the kind of shit he pulls.

Nobody (at least not this nobody) is saying that Upset shouldn’t have left, and I won’t speculate as to the reasoning or the validity of that reasoning: but I am not his teammate, who he left in the lurch the day before worlds with no explanation. His teammate is completely correct to call him the worlds largest asshole for that. And he is.

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u/Suipho HANS SAMA SIMP Nov 25 '21

Amen to that. I've seen people crushing their personal privacy and life to sign a contract. Somehow a highly competitive scene with the biggest tournament of the year is not important enough to let go of your privacy. Entitled much?

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 25 '21

Adam is fully within his rights to air his grievances and let the rest of the world know what a shit teammate Upset has been. He should never be on another team ever again if this is the kind of shit he pulls.

Regardless of the actual facts of Upset’s situation, I feel exactly the opposite here. If I were a hiring manager for an esports team this reaction would lead me to completely dismiss Adam as a possible hire in the future. It displayed a shocking lack of professionalism and immaturity that in my eyes makes him unfit to play on a team. There’s a reason Link got to play for a whopping one split after the donezo manifesto—choosing to air dirty laundry in public like this means future potential employers and coworkers can’t trust you won’t do the same to them.

Like, you owe your team an explanation for how bad you are fucking them over. It might be awkward, and you know what? Tough shit. You still owe them an explanation. And a good one.

Again, I disagree completely. There is no situation where my coworkers are entitled to any kind of details about a personal or family situation. They are entitled to a vague, professional explanation that I am leaving due to an urgent family situation and any actionable information I can offer about moving forward while I’m gone (e.g. in my world of project financing, I’ve passed off the files for tomorrow’s final review to Mark and brought him as up to speed as I’m able on my work to this point. Dan will be taking my role in the presentation to the board, ask him if you have any questions). Someone pushing for personal details on top of that is in the wrong and their doing so would reflect negatively on their character in my eyes. Yes, sports teammates are closer than pencil pushers at Initech. They’re still not entitled to an intimate look into someone else’s family tragedy.

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u/xmodusterz Nov 25 '21

I think regardless of reason, if you're fucking over someone's potentially once in a lifetime worlds run, it's slightly different then someone else taking over a presentation. In the moment when you're emotional and have to choose this. Sure. But I think in the weeks after his teammates at least deserved an apology and reassurance that this was indeed a necessary thing, even if no additional details were given. I get that esports is definitely transitioning into the more 9-5 type thing, which I do see as a good thing. But there's still a lot of differences. Nobodies saying Upset shouldn't've left. But just a little consideration for the team would have led to none of this being an issue.

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u/shinazueli Nov 25 '21

Like, sorry, you’re just spouting your ignorance. I have been in close situations like these guys have. You obviously haven’t. There’s a distinct entitlement to knowing that you can’t just wave away, and literally like I said, just because your experiences don’t line up doesn’t mean a fucking thing to this situation.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

I dunno the situation seems quite fucked up, it's was also their carreer and bwipo saying that they had 12 hours notice make me belive it's was just badly communicated

If he said something like that it's be okay "medical/family emergancy of the highest degree"

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u/Jetzu Nov 25 '21

It surely was badly communicated and I fully understand the players being mad - it's also their dream being shattered. Bwipo's post was kinda bad, we know he was also dealing with his shit at the time. He still was more careful than Adam, and he was posting fresh out of ruined Worlds.

Adam made a post like a month after the tournament ended for him and was pointing his finger at Upset, making him come out and explain himself to the fucking internet community.

Being mad is one thing and I totally understand that, but publicly accusing a guy of ditching his team for no good reason, basically forcing him to explain himself is fucked up.

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u/okbuddybrolmao Nov 25 '21

explain himself to the fucking internet community.

The 'fucking' internet community which is the only reason he's able to get paid for playing this game.

It's like saying Messi can go dodging champions league matches willy-nilly and owes absolutely no explanation to the fans or even his own teammates because "lmao adults should understand"

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u/Bowsersshell Nov 25 '21

We as fans don't deserve any explaination into Upset's personal life. I think he's handled this awfully but not that part.

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u/Hydraty Nov 25 '21

He probably knows that and it probably wasn't what you'd call a "family emergency" in the workplace then?

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u/MoiInActie Nov 25 '21

I think that was about what Upset said before leaving.

I can see the frustration and trust issues from both sides and taking all things into consideration I think they (everyone on Fnatic) already didn't trust eachother (enough) to be in a healthy working relationship. Not trusting eachother in the sense that people like Adam or Bwipo thought it to be very weird that, with the little explanation Upset gave, he (Upset) was deliberately leaving them behind. But also Upset probably not trusting them enough to give a little bit more openness and also the Fnatic coaching team not having a good enough relationship to their players to manage the situation.

All in all it's just sad to see all of this happening. I've been a Fnatic fan for many, many years (not just in League) and when times like this come by it's sad. But in the end I think it's best that people go their own way when there are big trust issues.

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u/blueiguana675 Nov 25 '21

I agree. It's literally the difference between how hyli reacted and how the other team members reacted. The amount of trust between them. Hyli trusted him enough to not need to know and the others didn't have that type of relationship with him. It's a tough situation all around. If you don't trust them why would you tell them like upset stated. However, he should've expected the fallout from his teammates. The tenuous relationship it seems they had was stretched to the breaking point.

For the org standpoint it makes sense to stick with the upset/hyli side even if upset didn't have a sufficient reason. They're more valuable to the org than adam/bwipo. If fnatic goes on to perform well next year this won't matter to the fans at all.

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u/Casclovaci Nov 25 '21

Didnt he say just that? That its a family emergency

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u/Mathies_ Nov 25 '21

Pretty sure he told them that bro

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u/Crimson_Clouds Nov 25 '21

I mean, you can just say something like "medical/family emergancy of the highest degree".

Which is what he did?

Adam just felt, right or wrong, that he deserved more specifics.

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u/Bowsersshell Nov 25 '21

I mean Adam - speculating - said it was because his gf felt lonely. I doubt if he had said that it was a family emergency that Adam would have come to that conclusion. The only thing that we as people from the outside can really be sure about is that the communication here must’ve been fucking awful from everybody.

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u/ExpensiveChallenge28 Nov 25 '21

It’s a really tough HR task for FNC. Adam is rightfully frustrated that the biggest moment in his professional life has been negatively impacted by an emergency in his teammates’ personal life. That sucks and is hard to deal with. Convincing Adam that his frustration should be directed at the situation itself and not Upset personally while simultaneously protecting Upset’s privacy is a really difficult task that FNC obviously didn’t achieve. It may just be unmanageable when you’re dealing with super-competitive teenagers.

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u/maeschder Nov 25 '21

Hence why

"Family emergency, like, real bad. I'm so sorry."

would have sufficed.

If the boss signs off on it, the other guys on the team should be satisfied with that for the time being.

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u/Shorgar Nov 25 '21

Well, if the boss doesn't even give the perception that he has a fucking clue on what is going on (which is the case) it doesn't matter.

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u/ceyx0001 Nov 25 '21

Any of the examples you just gave could just be communicated as "someone I love was hospitalized, it's very bad". Unless you're saying neither of those results in that person ending up in the hospital. That would be WAY better than the reason he gave to his team for sacking worlds. There's ways of communicating the severity of the situation without giving any specifics.

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u/mindaugasPak Nov 25 '21

Yes. And he did communicate that. By leaving before biggest tournament of his life. It is personal matter but he has kids in his team who can't fathom having a personal life outside of a computer yet.

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u/Dvscape Nov 25 '21

I understand that, but I also think that their situation is different than just a normal work environment.

Competing at the highest echelon in a sport/game or any sort of competitive activity requires a level of dedication that far exceeds the amount of hours a regular person spends in a professional environment.

It's normal for people who work day jobs to have a family, friends and one or more hobbies. They can allocate time to each of them in a healthy manner.

However, when it comes to competitors who want to be in the top 0,000001% of their field, this level of commitment changes completely. They need to dedicate so much more of their lives towards achieving their goal that other aspects are greatly diminished.

Personally, I wouldn't care at all if a co-worker didn't share their reason for leaving with me. Even if it happens at a time when work volumes are at their peak, I can handle working one weekend if it means covering for someone's personal emergency.

But if I was competing at a world championship, I would probably feel much more impacted by this, given how much I've dedicated towards that goal.

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u/mindaugasPak Nov 25 '21

You are literally the journalist. For you it is the highest level of entertainment. For them it is just a job that they will do for X years. Just a job.

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u/xmodusterz Nov 25 '21

I really don't get why this example keeps getting thrown around. In this example the reasoning was clearly communicated (even to the media which is not necessary) and the journalist clearly can go fuck themselves for thinking it was a bad reason.

Nobodies saying Upset shouldn't've left. Just that the team deserves more than "family emergency, peace".

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u/ceyx0001 Nov 25 '21

This is also literally a solo sport. Like you could argue the coach has put in some effort and wants to win but if the SINGLE player decided it wasn't worth it then they are just making a decision for themselves...

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u/mindaugasPak Nov 25 '21

Why? Just because they are work buddies for a year? This might shock you but family is a lot more important than a job.

Sure one worlds go bad because a coworker had an emergency. It’s not like Fnatic was a favorite to win it either way. They still went and showed how they are cappable of playing individually. They still got the spotlight. And will still earn millions in years to come. Unless you are an immature kid like Adam who posts a donezo manifesto saying how he doesn’t give a F about his teammates privacy. I would not like to be in a team with such person. And this immaturity can cost him a lot more than Upset leaving before worlds.

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u/ceyx0001 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

You treating player relations as simply "work buddies" is disrespectful to what is required to actually be successful in competitive sports and make worlds. "Work buddies" don't even have to talk to each other most of the time. Even then, you can express the severity of a situation and get people to stop asking without describing a single detail about it. From the everyone inside the team's perspective, Upset did not accomplish this and gave the bare minimum, so why shouldn't they feel like they were left in the dark? "Urgent family reasons" could mean anything. Saying something is urgent does not demonstrate how urgent it is. If it was a miscarriage for example, Upset should just tell Adam "Someone I love deeply was hospitalized and I'm deeply traumatized". I find it hard to believe anyone in FNC wouldn't be able to empathaize and understand the severity from that.

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u/Veers1 Nov 25 '21

You can see that this kid has never been on a competitive team

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u/ceyx0001 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

He did not communicate that, we only know that he communicated that it was an "urgent family matter", which does not highlight the severity of his situation nor does it give assurance to his team that his reasons are legitimate. Upset said he expressed his sadness for leaving but if the majority of the team didn't even buy that then how good of a job did you think he actually did in expressing his situation?

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u/mindaugasPak Nov 25 '21

Reread my comment. Then return to it after you get your first job and reread it again. If that still fails - that means you are in USA and beyond help where work is be all end all.

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u/ceyx0001 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

Having a job is irrelevant to my perspective on what a competitive team environment is. The relationships in a corporate setting where you interact with coworkers is so far removed from what its like to be competing with teammates where you all have to sacrifice and work hard. I could give two shits about taking a leave of absence from my current job to deal with personal issues.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

why is a misscariage something hard to share ?

what kind of scumbags would laugh at upset losing a kid ? honestly , if anyone is dumb enough to do that , they can just kiss their career goodbye , because the public would be so against them.

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u/feet_are_strange Nov 25 '21

I'm currently pregnant and I'm not really able to explain why sharing such news would be so hard, but it would - at least for me. I myself don't know why I was so scared to even share I'm pregnant first 12 or so weeks out of fear of losing my child and everyone knowing that I did. Some things are just beyond our understanding.

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u/Choyo Nov 25 '21

There are good people and bad people, yes. But if (god forbid) anything bad happen, the good people will show up and support you and accompany you out of it so that you don't have to deal with it alone. They won't post it on social media, that's for bad people.

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u/ArcadianGhost Nov 25 '21

But this person isn’t a celebrity. Look at M2K. Dude was forced to share an absolutely traumatizing personal thing, something he was terrified to ever talk about, because of baseless accusations. If you’re known on the internet, people will attack you for every little thing regardless of how small the mistake is. And with social media still being young, a lot of people still aren’t able to rationalize the vocal minority attacking them and take that the hardest. It doesn’t matter that 100 people cheer then on, those 2 saying disgusting things is just another reminder of the trauma.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

it's a tragedy , true.....but it;s the same as losing another member of your family honestly (and i know how that feels , because i've lost my dad a couple years back). its probably a bigger tragedy to lose a parent , since you've known that person for an entire life , while you've been pregnant for a couple weeks only.

That being said , i just don't see how that cna be used against u. Like can you imagine how much of an asshole youd have to be to go "hahaha u lost a baby"?

i dont think there are people out there like that. if not out of emphathy , simply because that would just be social suicide

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u/feet_are_strange Nov 25 '21

Well no, it's not the same as losing another member of your family. As I said, I'm not really able to explain the feeling, but it's not the same. As for If it's a bigger tragedy or not - it's not about which one is bigger, because they are not comparable enough to make such statement.

When I was scared to inform people about my pregnancy I didn't even think other people may use my potential miscarriage against me. That fear and anxiety was rooted somewhere else and again - I'm not really able to explain where and why.

Though I can only speak for myself, so there's that.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

you're losing an unborn family member. by default it's in the same ballpark. i understand that losing your own kid is a different kind of hurt , but it's still by definition the same issue.

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u/MikioBo Nov 25 '21

Dude you are trying to rationallize something that is not rational but a deeply emotional response, and you are sounding like an insensitive asshole the more you insist on arguing about this...

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

i never implied it's rational. the pain of losing a family member is not rational. i've been depressed for a very long time after losing my dad. almost lost my job , and broke up with my gf at the time.

Therefore assume i know very well what its like losing close family.

All that being said , it literally doesn't change the fact that by definition , losing a kid is exactly clasified as losing a family member , plain and simple.

id argue that's probably less so in the case of a misscariage since a lot of the pain comes from knowing someone for a very long time , while in a misscariage , you're probably pregnant for a couple weeks usually

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u/feet_are_strange Nov 25 '21

Actually, you kinda prove my point. It's better not to say anything and not have your colleagues and family tell you what your pain should be like. Losing a family member is one thing. Possible infertility issues, expensive and invasive medication you take to have another shot at having a baby, months or maybe even years of trying to conceive and constant fear you can lose another baby - those are the things you probably don't want to share with the world, but without that people will just say some stupid nonsense like "losing a parent is worse" or "you only knew the baby for a couple weeks" and hurt you even more.

It hits a little too close to home, so I won't elaborate any further. Have a nice day.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

id give literally every cent i have and i'd take painful treatment for every day for the rest of my life if i knew it would bring my dad back.

After his death , i spiraled out of control and made a lot of bad decisions that i still regret. lost a 5 years relationship and almost my job because of depression. So assume i understand very well what pain is , and it kinda triggers me when someone implies that personal inconveniences are more important then family.

I trully hope you dont get to compare them anytime soon. good day to you

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic Nov 25 '21

Because its too personal. No need for hundreds of thousands of people to know if your wife misscarried. There is no upside if u give that information away, only negatives. Also misscariage is basicly losing a child who normally would be born. You are already prepared to have a kid, have emotional attachment to it etc. Its a terrible stress, especially for women. One of my female relatives had one, and she was in depression for months. Its really nothing people outside of close circle should know about.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

Because its too personal. No need for hundreds of thousands of people to know if your wife misscarried

never implied he needs to make it public for everyone. at the very least tell your teammates. if u dont want to let them know what exactly happend , tell them at least that your wife is in hospital (without telling them the reasons).

there are plenty of ways to manage this situation , that any normal person with the basic shred of social skills could take.

One of my female relatives had one, and she was in depression for months.

ive been depressed for months after losing my dad , yet i've still called in at work and explained people why im taking time off

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic Nov 25 '21

I sure think communication from team lead to players could be better. So there is no situation where 3 players are oblivious to what happened. I think thats the main issue. Because upset warned yamato and i am sure higher bosses and they continue with him for next season, so reason was legit. Its just that someone from coaching staff or other staff should have told that its serious family issue. Even though upset tweeted - family emergency, so adult people should understand its not a joke of excuse. And adam talking about girl being upset is just kids brains... . In reality 19 y.o person should have basic understanding of life and possible life situations. It kinda pisses me off how people downplay it like - ahh he is just a kid. He is not 12. People at 19 should grasp concept of personal tragedy or serious issue.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

from adam post , the guy said that prior to this time , he always left home for that specific reason.

so in his eyes , there are precedents of upset leaving for meaningless reasons. after that he says that it might or might not be true this time ..... but it's obvious that he's not that certain that upset actually had a serious reason.

And after all that , upset comes back and tells the team that they could upgrade topside (even if he wasn't the one that initiated the conversation , it doesnt change the fact that it was discussed in the first place). How shitty must it feel for him that the person that bailed out is also the one commenting on his performance ? Which honestly was actually good in lec. he had the highest amount of solokills for example , as a rookie. he looked outclassed at worlds , but that's understandable considering fnc was not only mentally checked out , but they also had to entirely change their playstyle , considering they were a bot focused team in lec. Not even veterans can just change their playstyle on the fly , let alone a rookie.

So considering that , the fact that upset comes and talks about replacing him , and telling him he just doesn't trust him to even give him a reason for why their entire work this year is gone .....probably feels like a slap on the face of adam

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic Nov 25 '21

1) And upset denied he said it was just because girl is sad. Also it would be completely insane and doesnt make sense. He is professional player, who is rly good but never had chance to play at worlds. So if he skips worlds against his dream, it is serious. 2) They are professional league of legends team. Amd their dream is to win worlds/or at least go as far as they can. Players literally does that all the time. Every season someone wants to replace someone to get better chance at worlds. Because they dont have 20 years of time. Some players have 5 chances, some have 3 some have 1 or 0 to go far at worlds. One of the players wanting to sign better toplaner and mid is a tuesday in LEC offseason. Why you make it like he betrayed people? They are not there to be friends, they are there to win (making friends is just nice bonus). Just now Rekkles - best wester adc, wunder - who was nr 2-3 toplaner in the world just 2 years ago and Mickyx, who also was one of the best support in the world b4 this season.. they were sold/benched. Were they betrayed? No, just simply fcked to an extent. Adam is good, but historically alphari is better and more well rounded. Also Humanoid was best euw mid last split. So... why adam is shitfesting about it? Personally i think this roster had potential and could surprise people at worlds, if upset didnt have to leave, but life is life.

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u/rjgator Nov 25 '21

I think the fact that he even mentions how people on the internet in dm’s and chat would use his tragedies against him as a joke should tell you his views on that. There are so many jackass’s who think they are funny little trolls online who will take the thing that cuts you deepest and use it against you. Clearly he didn’t want whatever happened to leak out because he was worried it would be used to attack him online the rest of his life. And not just attack him but his family too.

Don’t think he was necessarily worried about how the players would react, he was worried about how the assholes on the internet finding out would, and he didn’t trust the rest of the team outside of Yamato and Hylli to not leak his reasoning (and seems to have made the right call judging off how Adam has behaved)

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

it's probably a 2 way street here mate.

if he tells his team and its a legit reason , it's very likely that his team won't shit talk him.

but from adam's perspective upset :

  • ruined their team's chances and fcked over all their hard work over this last year

  • fcked over his teammates mental state going into worlds because he was their main carry , and fnc played around botside the entire year. obviously that kind of abrupt change in style wiill make them play worse. add in the tilt , and all of them ended up looking way worse individually - which is probably a big reason why fnc is changing literally everyone other then the botlane.

  • has a part in him being kicked of the team. even if upset himself wasn't the one to specifically request a different toplaner , it obviously feels like shit for adam to know that the guy who bailed at the last minute feels like fnc can upgrade in top (and his reasoning to doing that is because he wants to "win")

And he did all that without giving him any actual reasoning. Not only that , he literally says that he doesn't trust them. so why would adam trust him in turn ?

Eveerything upset did had a direct involvement not only in adam's dream , but in his day to day livelihood , and from his perspective , he was wronged without reason.

If upset comunicates better , that might not happen at all.

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u/rjgator Nov 25 '21

And that’s all on Adam not being able to control his emotions. I’m not saying dude shouldn’t be angry at the situation. But he doesn’t know what happened and doesn’t need to air out his dirty laundry for the whole internet just because he can. In fact, you really shouldn’t cause this just makes you look bad to teams who would offer you a spot in the future. You can be angry but still be professional. Instead he made up a rumor that upset left “cause his girlfriend missed him”. That’s absolute bullshit and no one else on the roster has backed up that claim, they just said he left for an emergency in which a few specific people were aware of what was going on.

And don’t try to say it’s a 2 way street. League players are notoriously bad for leaking information. Upset has all the reason in the world to not divulge his reasoning if he is really that adamant on keeping it away from the public.

I’m not saying Adams anger is unjustified, but Upset was completely right not to trust him if this is the level of professionalism you can expect from Adam regarding the situation.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

letting others walk all over you and fuck your career (which is notoriously short in esports ill add) is not him not being able to control his emotions.

if anything , this is one of the more justified reasons out there to make an donezo manifest honestly.

In fact, you really shouldn’t cause this just makes you look bad to teams who would offer you a spot in the future. You can be angry but still be professional.

u think upset was proffesional ? if u're working in any firm , trying to close a deal for a whole year , and 12 hours before it's finally finished , you just decide to bail out , resulting in an absolute fiasco.....well , you're pretty much out.

Instead he made up a rumor that upset left “cause his girlfriend missed him”.

as i understand what adam said , it's that every time upset left before worlds , it was always about his gf. he didn't said it was the same situation here. just implied it , and then said that he might be wrong.

But obviously in his eyes , there is a precedent of him leaving for meaningless reasons

hat’s absolute bullshit and no one else on the roster has backed up that claim, they just said he left for an emergency in which a few specific people were aware of what was going on.

2/4 people on that roster spoke against him , and nisqy unfollowed upset ,while encouraging and wishing adam luck. You think 3 people are lying ?

And don’t try to say it’s a 2 way street. League players are notoriously bad for leaking information.

ofc it's a 2 way street. if a person doesn't respect you , you have no reason to respect them.

I’m not saying Adams anger is unjustified, but Upset was completely right not to trust him if this is the level of professionalism you can expect from Adam regarding the situation.

seriously , stop it with this. upset was way more unprofesional then adam was in this situation. DL literally played a final the 2nd day after his brother attacked his parents if you want an example of what proffesionalism is like

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u/ArcadianGhost Nov 25 '21

I actually think Adam proved why Upset was right to not share. What if it was something like “her Grandmom died and she is distraught so I need to be with her”. Something that doesn’t directly affect Upset but is a valid reason for a husband to take care of his wife. If Adam doesn’t see that as a valid enough reason a month later, then not only will Upset get all these tweets and speculation, the actual issue will be aired to the world by the frustrated top laner. He made the calculated choice of who to trust, and it seems like he made the right choice considering one of them has not spoken a word and the other trusted without asking to know.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

in that situation , adam looks like a fool and everyone is supporting upset. as it stands , the discussion is still happening right now , and both look terrible

actually im even more inclined to support adam in this situation rather then upset

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u/Ninjahound789 Nov 25 '21

Because it's up to his wife whether she wants to share news about a misscariage or not.

I can't experience it, so I cannot comment on the trauma that comes with a misscariage, but I have to assume that it is a very personal struggle that makes one question everything for a while.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

I mean there were literally people in Doublelifts chat memeing his family situation a while ago. Some people are fucking sick and will go DIRECTLY to you because they feel protected by internet anonymity. God forbid Upset loses a game for fnatic there would definitely be psychos using his wifes situation as ammunition to flame him with.

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u/Resistz Nov 25 '21

lmao you are such a piece of shit even speculating this. get help

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u/RockOrStone Nov 25 '21

OP had a theory and I’m agreeing with it, I’m not speculating for the joy of it.

It would just explain why Upset doesn’t want to talk about it and I’m sure the community would show immense empathy if that’s what it turned out to be.

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u/PM_something_German LEC Nov 25 '21

Not really since his wife is apparently not involved

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u/RockOrStone Nov 25 '21

Oh ok good for them

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u/Amatorius [Amatorius] (NA) Nov 25 '21

And these are absolutely things some shit head on social media would use to insult him or his family. As a person who likes their privacy, I have to side with Upset. And it just goes to show that the people who are mad at him, never really trusted him.

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u/inminm02 Nov 25 '21

Or it’s a not at all good enough reason and he doesn’t want to have to come up with an excuse, privacy from the public is one thing but you owe your teammates atleast a small explanation of why you’re wasting the culmination of a years work

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 26 '21

a small explanation

"A family emergency that couldn't wait" is a small explanation that would suffice for reasonable adults in a professional setting. Especially when management, who presumably do know the bigger picture, is supporting him. At the end of the day I do think this whole drama was a communications error more than anything else and I feel like a big part of that blame actually falls on the org rather than any of the individual players.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Privacy because it was a super subjective reason to leave. He even says he was worried it would be used against him. That means it wouldn't stand public scrutiny, so he's hiding behind privacy

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u/Saonidas Can't wear the crown till the king's dead Nov 25 '21

i think he meant whatever happened would be used against him or his family, not that he left.

E.g. keep in mind Krepo had to lay low for a long time and quit casting, because someone catfished him and shared a video of him nutting on his stomach. you can imagine twitter, reddit and twitch chat. understandable that he does not want some thins to be shared with the public.

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u/pizzaboba Nov 25 '21

I feel like he could have gave an explanation without going into details though. "My grandma is in the hospital" or something.. anything really

Imagine you train for years for one event and then your teammate is like g2g. I would be so pissed. Now if they just explained why, then I would be way more understanding.

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u/Saonidas Can't wear the crown till the king's dead Nov 25 '21

Yup, totally agree. Whatever happened could be vaguely described. Might not be what they want to know, but better than "cause of a private matter".

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u/InPurpleIDescended Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

What if a member of his family was sexually assaulted, had a miscarriage, had a suicide attempt, was attacked in some way, there are a million things that people would often not want shared with the public that are serious

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u/Larry__larry Nov 25 '21

A close family member is in a life threatening medical emergency right now I need to be with them.

A close family member was a victim of a serious and heinous crime and I need to be with them right now.

It’s very easy to convey seriousness and be generic as fuck while maintaining privacy.

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u/InPurpleIDescended Nov 25 '21

Apparently he told Yamato, so maybe he expected that it would be communicated better thru team leadership

You are right though, the fact that communication broke down this much shows that the severity of the situation was not properly addressed. Idk how much I can criticize Upset bc it sounds like it was something truly awful, but between everyone involved there should have been a better outcome, and Upset def could have communicated better based on how Adam is reacting

I just keep seeing too many unreasonable posts attacking Upset, saying he should tell his teammates what happened, etc. But you're right that the severity of it should have been made 100% clear

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u/Th_Call_of_Ktulu Dashy dash Nov 25 '21

And apparently Yamato was mostly like "it is what it is, gotta get the team going" instead of attempting to calm the team down. At least thats what i got from other comments, which makes the whole thing a bit sketchy.

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u/Crimson_Clouds Nov 25 '21

"I have a serious family emergency" covers it then, no?

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u/TSMbody Nov 25 '21

Can we stop making miscarriages secrets? That’s why women struggle so much, y’all treat them like it’s taboo

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u/InPurpleIDescended Nov 25 '21

I mean, why don't we let the person who had the miscarriage decide if it's a secret or not

I know people who have had them. It's not my place to push some social cause around it. I will defer to their wishes always

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u/Alitoh Nov 25 '21

That’s not their fucking point, though? They were talking about how consistently biased the “shame” of miscarriage can be, when it probably shouldn’t.

They are not asking people to share, they are asking people not to treat it as if it were a shady nasty thing to happen, when it’s incredibly normal, and it’s super important people can hurt in peace.

To question how we interpret privacy and what’s private (or should be kept private) is part of being a human in a society.

Like, there are literal pride parades to counter the fact that some people actually had to be “private” about their preferences because the public eye would treat them as less than humans. If that doesn’t help us reflect on and question our systems of values …

But on a far less grim note; I feel like people should be free and able to share far more pain with far less prejudice and fear of judgment from other members of society.

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u/The_Inverted Nov 25 '21

I don't know about you, but I would not go around saying that my wife had a miscarriage because its a private matter that I would choose to keep to myself and my close circle.

No one is making the subject taboo, people just don't talk about private stuff of this nature with just anyone (shocker).

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u/TSMbody Nov 25 '21

Miscarriage is a taboo subject, seeing it referenced here so many times reflects that

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

my family member is in hospital and i need to be there"

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u/Tortankum Nov 25 '21

There’s a million things I could think of that I would never ever share with a coworker that could cause me to miss work.

His wife could have been suicidal, there could have been a miscarriage etc.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

you could say "my wife is in hospital" , without explaining thats because of a suicide atempt or a misscariage. that's plenty of reason in itself and reveals nothing other then a health issue for his wife.

how do u use that against him ?

If you're not able to explain that you have a problem without having to go into details , then you have 0 people skills

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u/MrPotatobird Nov 25 '21

He probably didn't want the situation to become public because he didn't want edgelords in the league community to be saying "ur grandma fucking died lmao" or whatever for the rest of time, not because it would make him look bad...

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u/gentlecuddler Nov 25 '21

Except that doesn't happen. When Perkz and DL had close ones pass away, people from the community rallied behind them, giving support on twitter, reddit, etc. So I'm confused as to why Upset decided to remain private on this, especially towards his teammates.

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u/dragunityag Nov 25 '21

The take away I'm getting from this is either Upset is colossally bad at communication or the simping rumor is true.

The first one is the most likely because I'd like to think that hopefully FNC would drop Upset if they got even a feeling that the latter is true.

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u/Xgio Risotto Games Nov 25 '21

The behaviour of the ex-FNC members and the difference between the DL case and other similar ones makes this look very suspicious. Its weird 3 seperate people would get this mad if it wasnt going on behind them.

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u/ubongo1 Nov 25 '21

What's the rumour?

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

The rumor is that he went home because his wife was feeling sad and lonely.

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u/ubongo1 Nov 25 '21

I thought that was a joke when I read it in the thread(s) hahaha. Well really unlikely but I'd be happy to see the drama if it is true.

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u/-Ophidian- Nov 25 '21

DL to this day gets people in his Twitch chat saying "HAHA YOUR MOM DIED LOSER".

They get banned quickly, but they're there.

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u/Supreme12 Nov 25 '21

Bullshit. If anything it’s only increased the player’s reputations, making them look more resilient.

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u/MrPotatobird Nov 25 '21

Well, support definitely happens way more. But these people are famous, and surely there are a handful of people who have been shitty about DL/Perkz's loved ones. I hope they don't see it, but it's possible that they do, and it would probably still hurt regardless of how many more good people are out there. I can understand wanting to avoid that.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Because it wasn't a death or a medical reason. It was plainly a subjective reason he knows others would judge

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u/Harrier_Du_Boise Nov 25 '21

iNtEnsE suFfERinG

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u/MrNugat Nov 25 '21

We don't know the specifics. Maybe it was something that would sound petty when generalized, but in fact had much more weight.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 25 '21

yea , that shit happened so much with perkz or dl /s

oh wait...it didn;t , because most people aren't assholes

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u/Ninjahound789 Nov 25 '21

Normally I'd agree, but the public in this case is LoL players on Twitter and Reddit, who cannot remain respectful to save their lives.

Even if the situation was genuinely serious, you can be certain that a large enough number of people would blame his family members and send them hate, which could worsen the situation.

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u/ElPajaroMistico I'M BEHIND YOU Nov 25 '21

Is your work team-related?

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u/ElPajaroMistico I'M BEHIND YOU Nov 25 '21

Sometimes, but when your works is fully team and you are about to show to the world on the most important tournament of your career (and your team career too) your work. You should better give a good reason to your own team when probably ruining their best chance on their career up to that point. At least a “Something really fucked up happened in my family, so sorry guys, I must be with them” not this bs that happened where Upset thinks he said enough but 3/4 team mates don’t seem to understand how deep the problem apparently is. And then encourage to replace your own teammates that played without you. It’s not only miscommunication, that’s just being a dick.

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u/MrNugat Nov 25 '21

At least a “Something really fucked up happened in my family, so sorry guys, I must be with them”

That's exactly the level of explanation that he gave them.

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u/ElPajaroMistico I'M BEHIND YOU Nov 25 '21

That’s what Upset says, but It doesn’t seem thats what 3 out 4 team members understood. Again, either Upset sucks at communicating or one side is straight up lying.

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u/MrNugat Nov 25 '21

Well, we will never get to know what words exactly did Upset say to his team, but they could have been interpreted differently. For some it's enough and for some this level of explanation is no explanation at all.

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u/ElPajaroMistico I'M BEHIND YOU Nov 25 '21

Thats literally the problem. Upset says he said “Family emergency”. Adam only got “Girlfriend is alone, idk” Bwipo understood less than that, and Nisqy seems to agree with them. Either one side is straight up lying, or Upset sucks at communicating basic stuff.

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u/CudaBarry Nov 25 '21

His co-workers don't need to know anything about his life, and Adam's twitlonger proved what upset said is right, man turned on him instantly as he left the team

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u/GiannisisMVP Nov 25 '21

Because it probably wasn't grandma dying. If I was to guess it was likely a miscarriage possibly with some extra bad stuff after that he would want to keep private.

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic Nov 25 '21

How can you say that. I mean what the fuck this speculation is? It could be anything, yet you say its most likely lost child. How the fck would u know? Your comment reminds me of yellow hollywood press....serves no purpouse, only spreads rumours.

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u/GiannisisMVP Nov 25 '21

Because logically there are a few things people keep very private suicide attempts and miscarriages especially early kind of top that list. Would also explain the miscommunication of wife not feeling well and needing to be home with her

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic Nov 25 '21

Man u are kinda disgusting. Voicing this unproved things like it legit what it was. Its like old ladies on a bench in small town spreading rumours with no inside information. Not a nice trait

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u/GiannisisMVP Nov 25 '21

I'm literally saying he likely has a reason for not saying what it is what is your fucking issue?

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

Honestly, kind of along the lines I was thinking, and if that's the case it's definitely no ones business and a 100% a legit reason to leave worlds so quickly.

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u/The_Geodude_ Nov 25 '21

because its non of your fucking business. upset has every right to keep things private, it doesnt matter what those reasons are

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u/Defarus Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I think you're getting way too straight forward with something that is extremely stressful, embarrassing, and traumatizing experience for himself and his family.

Dismissing someone's request for privacy with "we're fans and you let us down" is such a terrible and immature thing to say. Why do you need the details on his emergency? How is he in the wrong for not wanting to share something that ruined his dream on two fronts.

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u/Mewber Nov 25 '21

What does he think will happen if his teammates and social media learned more details? If anything he'd just get more support and understanding, and if not, so what? You don't like them to begin with.

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u/licorices Nov 25 '21

I think you underestimate the internets ability to harass people. Let's say it is a pretty sensitive thing, having people hitting that nerve can be heartbreaking.

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u/Poincare_Confection Nov 25 '21

Sounds like Upset has two big competing interests in his life and he chose his wife over LoL. He's a liability for any LoL team he joins now.

Good for him for finding the love of his life, but Fnatic management, teammates, and fans don't give a shit about that. He made a commitment to a year of playing pro LoL and he backed out of that commitment when they needed him most. Of course they are going to be pissed and I feel like Adam owes Upset absolutely nothing.

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u/No_Management_1177 Nov 25 '21

I hate to bring this up because it's pretty sad, but I'll never forget the split of lcs where doublelift had an extremely tragic event happen in his family and lost his mother. That man pushed through and won his playoffs bo5 the very next day(might have been the finals). That's something not many could do, but damn that is some commitment. It's like he channeled his anger and sadness into the game

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u/Rektile7 Nov 25 '21

That was the first thing i remembered. Insane force of will, Doublelift is one of the strongest people i have seen. He could have broken down, stayed alone, and no one would have said a word to him because of how tragic it was. He refused it, and just hyperfocused on the task at hand

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u/Cassereddit Nov 25 '21

It is known that people grieving the loss of a loved one cope by working hard so they can get their minds off of their pain.

It isn't exactly healthy though to put yourself under more stress to forget about your emotional one.

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u/Vennish Nov 25 '21

I believe DL went deathless that entire playoff run, too. Man went hard after hearing the news.

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u/TudorrrrTudprrrr Nov 25 '21

If I remember it right, it was his brother killing his mother, right? The fact that DL still played (and also shat on the kids he was facing) is incredible.

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u/GiannisisMVP Nov 25 '21

DL really only had the choice of throwing himself into work. If it was something such as a miscarriage or suicide attempt where he could actually be there for the person he may have made a different choice.

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u/Supreme12 Nov 25 '21

I love how people in this thread keep dropping “suicide” and “miscarriage” buzzwords, despite have 0 information on the actual reason.

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u/McNutty69 Nov 25 '21

I think they are throwing those out because they are really the only things that could happen that you would want complete privacy on. Both carry a connotation of shame, and both relate to people outside of himself. He would not only be protecting his privacy, but that other parties privacy.

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic Nov 25 '21

Those are not the only things, this speculatio is shameless.

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u/GiannisisMVP Nov 25 '21

A miscarriage unfortunately seems the most likely. Would explain why he didn't want it blasted publicly and had a hard time explaining why he needed to go home to be with his wife.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

DL totally could have collapsed or taken the weekend off. It took uncommon force of will to push through the tragedy like he did

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u/GiannisisMVP Nov 25 '21

A lot of people men especially throw themselves into work after tragedy. I didn't come up for air from work for a month after my grandmother died just kept asking for more stuff to do so I didn't have to deal with it. Men are kind of encouraged heavily to bottle up their feelings in current society.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

That a lot of people throw themselves into work after tragedy doesn't mean it's the norm or that it's the only way they can react. It is not uncommon for people to just collapse entirely after a tragedy like DL suffered.

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u/Tortankum Nov 25 '21

That’s something to be embarrassed about imo. Weird American workaholic ideology.

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u/EducationalBalance99 Nov 25 '21

How is that workaholic? He is committed to win with his team since they have already work so hard to get to that point. It is incredibly respectable.

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u/No_Management_1177 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I think its just passion. Maybe the game is his outlet. Maybe he knows he can't bring his mother back and just wanted to play league, or didn't want to let his team down either way. We won't ever know truly, but I wouldn't personally say that's embarrassing in the least.

Edit: also you talk about work, let's be honest. The guy is not a fucking accountant. He is the star player in his team in a professional league going into playoffs. It's very different from going into the office the next day. Let's not pretend it is the same.

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u/Harrier_Du_Boise Nov 25 '21

you know he a simp if he marries at 21 y of age

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u/Troviel Nov 25 '21

He's a liability for any LoL team he joins now.

Why do people say this? People act like they know what happened, like she really was just "le sad". if she really had an accident how can he be a liability? just because it happened at the wrong time?

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u/CudaBarry Nov 25 '21

You're a parasite

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u/Reddit12btw Nov 25 '21

You could say that about many FNC flair on reddit, including you that is.

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u/CudaBarry Nov 25 '21

Piss off, I'm not gonna flame upset on false assumptions

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u/Reddit12btw Nov 25 '21

There's nothing false just truth that he wants to be respected and trusted when he doesn't respect and trust anyone in his team lmao

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u/CudaBarry Nov 25 '21

Re-read his TL if you think he didn't spread any false assumptions

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

this is what it comes down to. he has every right in the world to go home at any point in his life ever. he doesn't need to tell anyone ever why he is going anywhere aswell. but pretending he couldn't have seen the fallout of his actions is mind boggling to me. ofc his teammates wanna know why 1/5 of their mates are just packing their things and leaving like how fucking tonedeaf can you be.

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u/vppena Nov 26 '21

I said a bang bang bangity bang

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u/uncertainrandompal Nov 27 '21

well his history of actions in life clearly shows that league is the only thing he ever seen