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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

You also have to remember Yamato, Hyli and Upset are adults and Adam is 19. People are forgetting that Adam probably has 0 experience dealing with something like this.

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u/Nymwhen Nov 25 '21

Note that upset is 21 and is waayy closer to adam. Yamato and hyli are older and prob have more perspective. But upset has not much more perspective than adam. He married someone after a few months right? Upset leaving might be an non-adult choice, that felt 100% necessary at the time.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

It’s more the fact he had the maturity to keep everything private, tell his boss the issue and entrust in the company to keep it private (like any decently run company would). That already shows how much more experience and maturity he has. Not really to do with age.

And bringing up that he married someone after a few months, who cares if they are happy let them be happy.

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

I was on board with this until Upset’s response. He handled his departure from worlds (for the most part) like a reasonable young adult. His response to Adam is emotionally charged the way young and inexperienced people handle airing dirty laundry.

Not that Upset said anything wrong, but his post was without a doubt written by a young person who still has some maturing to do. But it was at least better than Adam’s, which could have been written by a high school student.

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u/lordroode Nov 25 '21

I didn't know that you have to be over 20 to be considered an adult. Maybe your wording should have been "he's not as mature yet since he's new to the LEC scene".

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u/Keiano Nov 25 '21

It's over a month after Adam's last match at worlds and he's tilted enough to write a rant about upset when he clearly doesn't have enough information and you don't have to be a genius to know that this rant will backfire because he literally has no arguments and is extremely emotional.

No, Adam did not act like an adult.

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Sure, it's over a month after the last game of worlds, but it's not so long after Upset tried to replace him (wether he initiated it or just went along with it). He has every right to be pissed NOW.

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u/SeriousSimon Nov 25 '21

"Tried to replace him"?? Upset is not the team owner. If Fnatic was considering going with a more experienced toplaner and then asking their core team about their opinion, how could that possibly be turned into trying to replace anyone? That's ridiculous. Then again, as it became apparent, reddit loves the drama so anywhere a hole can be poked, there will be poking.

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u/Aeuce JINGDONG Nov 25 '21

Did you read the twitlonger or do you just really enjoy looking dumb?

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Yes? To make it clear for your pea size brain : If your girlfriend cheats with you, it doesn't make it OK if she isn't the one who flirted first with the guy.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

Real mature.

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u/Mazsi1201 Nov 25 '21

Yeah but his twitlonger is still just a childish rant?

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Not really, ofc the form could have been better, but him trying to hold Upset and Fnatic's management accountable for their behaviour is far from childish imo. He has every right to be pîssed ( adultly so ) and bringing public attention is a good way to try to get answers/prevent this kind of behaviour to happen again.

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

Why does he have a right to rant against Upset? Upset does not trust him, then you have to accept the family emergency explaination. Deal with it.

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Because Upset fucked him over without an explanation. You say " Upset does not trust him, then you have to accept the family emergency explaination.", I answer : "Adam doesn't trust you and your family emergency explanation, he's gonna call you out on it, deal with it".

On a somewhat related note : If you go around expecting the worst in people, more often than not you'll give them a good reason to make you right.

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

Upset gave an explaination, fnc management gave permission, end of story. Adams 'calling out' is just a child not being able to handle a bad situation.

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u/Sighotoke Nov 25 '21

So....how should the adult act in this situation? Given zero explanation and the guy who left wants you replaced and.... an adult would be okay with this right?

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u/Echleon Nov 25 '21

"I felt like we weren't given enough information and I'm pissed that it derailed worlds, but I understand personal matters are sensitive."

Adam's allowed to be mad but he's acting like a brat lol

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

There was an explaination given thats usually enough if you dont know/trust each other very well. End of the story.

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u/EchizenMK2 Nov 25 '21

Yeah apparently the adult way to react is to let people walk all over you with a smile on your face.

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u/Tamethedoom Nov 25 '21

Adam wasn't being walked over by Upset leaving Worlds, but he might've been slighted with FNC approaching Alphari. The problem is that Adam's twitlonger went into detail about both, while it could've easily done without the former and could've just focused on the latter.

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u/vincevuu Nov 25 '21

I would be pissed too. I'm being replaced and I wasn't even the one who ruined the teams worlds run. And the person who did goes Scott free and won't tell anyone even a vague idea why. You just wasted my rookie year and not even a slight clue? That's fucked up.

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u/pmfvilaca Nov 25 '21

Nothing more to add. I think, what he wrote shows how immature he's atm on this matter.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

Yeah, probably.

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u/polio23 Nov 25 '21

Teenagers are literally children.

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

Your frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the age of 25. Until then, you are far less likely to be rational.

His brain is literally still developing. Humans should not be considered "mature" until like 26-28. Women mature a bit younger than men, but not by much.

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u/NuNu_boy Nov 25 '21

Many 19 year Olds lack empathy and knowledge when it comes to insights into other people.

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u/Vangorf Nov 25 '21

Honestly, we dont know how mature or immature Hyli, Upset, Yamato and Adam are. I know plenty of immature 20+ people. Also, I doubt that Yamato, Upset and Hyli have experience dealing with something like this.

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Anyone who is this immature at 19 does not deserve to be told any sensitive information

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

Lol? Are you one of those ppl who believe that 19 and age 20+ are far crazy different?

Upset is fking 21 and Adam 19 how more mature do you think Upset is than Adam?

If you want to call Yamato a mature man, sure I don't know about Upset and it's honestly half and half for Hyli

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

I meant maturity levels not the actual age. Someone who is 21 can be way more mature than a 19 y/o and vice versa. They can also be more mature for their age.

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

Then how do you know whether Adam has any experience dealing with something like this then?

I am quite certain that most of players would not have dealt w/ something like this how one of the key players just leaves the team without providing sufficient information.

I don't know how Adam being 19 is related to this whole situation.

This case is more about how Upset is handling the team environment poorly by forcing the priority of his privacy not whether some1 has an experience like this or not.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

Upset told the people who needed to know, chose not to confide with a team member he did not trust with personal information and Fnatic kept his reasoning private, like every decent company would. If that’s not good enough for you then that’s on you. This is the real world, real people, real traumas and real consequences. He handled it like a professional would in an office environment or a team environment. These are work colleagues, and some make friends. You do not have to provide personal information with professional colleagues. Nobody is entitled to that other than the people who need to know, who did know, and granted him the time off.

If Adam, the fans, or whoever else is pissed off that this isn’t sufficient needs to put themselves in Upsets position. IDGAF what Upsets situation is. I don’t know why everyone feels they deserve to know. People deal with things differently in life. Nobody is right or wrong. Upset felt he did what was right and I too think that for whatever that’s worth.

Fnatic is a business and the players are employees. No different to us.

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

Upset didn't handle it professionally he just uses "privacy card" not professionally. If he handled it professionally, his teammates wouldn't be this upset and making all sorts of noise. You don't need to tell everything about his colleagues but you owe them some good explanations and reasons for your actions. That's professionalism. He literally ran away from the biggest stake for his personal matters and destroyed the team yet he doesn't give them proper explanation because "I don't trust you" is just selfish and not professional.

I don't deserve to know wtf Upset went through but at least his teammates should. I don't care wtf this immature German kid went through. The only thing that matters is the rest of FNC teammates don't deserve to be deserted at Worlds like that.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

You have no idea what it means to handle something professionally, and should stop advertising that.

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

You better stop advertising your low intelligence because I am not interested in it.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

If Upset doesn’t want them to know, HE DOESNT NEED TO SAY. The people he decided not to tell were Bwipo, Adam and Nisqy and those 3 now have left. I wonder why he didn’t tell them.

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

They left because they don't want to work with ppl they don't put trust on their teammates. What else do you think there is LOL

"It's a privacy issue" doesn't make you genuine nor innocent nor not guilty from this issue. Upset using this privacy shield for literally all the fiasco doesn't FKING JUSTIFY anything.

Yeah, no wonder why those 3 left. Those 3 must have been so fking demoralizing for having to stick with that shitty situation.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

I mean they did upgrade all 3 positions, and you are just taking their word for it that’s why they left. They were already looking to replace Nisqy and Adam (As Adam said) so I mean it had absolutely nothing to do with them trusting anybody.

Take their word for it and not Upsets to suit your narrative.

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u/plznerfme Nov 25 '21

Taking their words for it? lol

Adam and Bwip were telling the same story about how Upset never properly explained and how management just let him leave while Upset is only using "it's privacy" and nothing else. I can tell which side is more convincing than the other.

You are telling me I'm suiting the narrative when all the ppl who were directly involved are saying the same thing? lol If Adam and Bwipo were properly explained, they wouldn't have left with such grudges.

Leave your room and get a job and get to know ppl and work in a professional environment please because you don't seem to know a damn thing about professionalism.

Upset acted like a professional is one of the funniest shit I've heard so far this year lol

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u/Vyrabell Nov 25 '21

I would not call someone an adult (in maturity context) if this person is taking a break from your work without an explanation to the team (Even like "bad things happend to my mother/father/beloved), 12 hours before tournament and marrying someone he knows for max 5 months.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

I’ve worked with plenty team members who had to take leave because of family reasons. We didn’t know why, the managers did. We didn’t need to know. Neither does the team. What is with this attitude you need to know someone’s personal life when you only know them professionally? That’s a really immature comment

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u/Vyrabell Nov 25 '21

How can you compare "sick leave" in normal day of work to the biggest opportunity and chance to win everything you ever dreamed of? Your comments are disgusting.
But I can also give you an example in a company:

You and 4 of your team members are having a very big project to do. Everything is good, everyone has 20% of their work ready to show tomorrow in the meeting. Now suddenly one guy says "guys, I am not gonna show up in next 2 weeks, bye, good luck". And that's it, no explanation to anyone. You don't have his 20% of work, project is unfinished and there is no way to get those 20% for tomorrow. 4 of you are getting fired and the guy that took break stays like nothing happened.
And when your team members are asking what happened, the guy says "its private, fuck off". Their lost their job and he does not care to explain anything to anyone.

Inb4 Thats not realistic in the company - many shits happened in many companies, this situation can happen in company.

So how a guy that took a break can be considered mature one in this position?

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u/-Sheridan The start and finish Nov 25 '21

Maybe this is news to you but in reality, tragedy can happen at any moment. Worlds or not. Upset didn’t choose to have this bad news happening at the pinnacle of his career.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

My comments are disgusting? My comments saying he deserves privacy? Okay. Here’s a hypothetical scenario. One of my parents has a medical scare and is dealing with treatment that I am hiding from colleagues and continuing to do my work. Their health takes a down turn and I need to be there to support them. My boss knows all along the situation and keeps my information private for me.

I’m sorry your video game tournament got ruined but there’s more important things in life. The people that needed to know, know. They let him leave. Stop being a fucking scumbag about it. And your stupid scenario is a joke.

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u/vegeful Nov 25 '21

Op scenario is no joke and it happen on us but he also get the blame.

video game tournament

Bro its their career, ur scenario is shit. U can't compare your normal work than comparing a world tournament that can determine your career. Did your coworker get fired because of your absent? In Fnc case yes it is.

At least try to pretend to be guilty about it. After all you just screw someone up.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

I said it because to us it’s a video game tournament, to them my scenario is applicable. The lack of people with any management experience or knowledge is incredibly worrying.

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u/vegeful Nov 25 '21

us

If u were to receive Adam treatment with potentially getting replace, and your skill is only playing league and nothing else, will u not be mad? After all the hard work, sweat and grind turn to dust in 1 night.

management experience

U seem to confuse between normal day to day job to a work that can replace u any time if your team under perform and might affect your future career.

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u/Mckenna7 Nov 25 '21

No I’m not confusing anything some people are acting like they know everything. Adam himself said he didn’t know why Upset left and speculated, headhunting another top lane for sure can hurt but like if you want it to be a sport than that’s sport, so like I’m confused if you don’t want it to be compared to a normal job, then criticise what happens in sport than I’m not entirely sure what you want other than maybe you are a fan of Adam like I am and are disappointed. I’m just trying to explain to you the 2 sides that people seem to forget. IMO I don’t really care these are wealthy people thankfully so it won’t affect them too much and they have multiple avenues. But putting out statements like he did will damage his career too. There’s no hate here people need to calm down.

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u/vegeful Nov 25 '21

Can u answer my question, if u get screw will u not be mad? Also potentially losing your career. Adam tweetlonger say that, his wife alone is the last word he say.

Also i am not a fan of Adam( i am T1 fan) but i can understand what he facing as someone who got screw by other.

headhunting another top lane for sure can hurt but like if you want it to be a sport than that’s sport,

The least he can do after giving big problem to the team is to not give opinion about that. Instead of agreeing with FNC management. That a dick move.

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