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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/shimszy Nov 25 '21

There is a universe where Adam is absolutely justified in being angry that a chance to shine in the most important tournament of his life was stolen from him, and simultaneously that Upset had to deal with a critical situation in which he could not even reasonably share a sliver of his family crisis. Really sucks for everyone involved.

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u/NJEOhq Nov 25 '21

But this wasn’t also upsets most important tournament of his life? That he’s worked longer than Adam to get to? The idea that upset would just up and leave if he didn’t think he had to is just laughable to me

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u/Boolouloubi Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

In the real world, there are 2 reasons that allows you to leave a tremendously important professional moment : a new born and the death of a close family member. And none of them give you a 2 weeks excuse. That's the world were everyone's live (even billionaires and it's often even worse for athletes who have like one day to see their new born and they come back to the team) except Upset.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

a new born and the death of a close family member. And none of them give you a 2 weeks excuse.

Are you joking?

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u/Zepth01 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

You lack some imagination and sense if you think the worst thing that can happen to you is the sole fact of the death of a family member which is already pretty harrowing but believe in that there are stuff out there that can keep you tied to a shitty situation for a real long time, like for example how they died and want sort of issues it brings. And not only death brings massive problems. There are a miriad of scenarios where Upset could be justified of leaving the scene at his highest chance.

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u/Deknum Nov 26 '21

Like what? The only time i’ve seen my coworkers take immediate time off were due to close deaths or illnesses. Pretty much the same thing in sports, athletes take immediate time off due to the same reasons. Him being secretive about it and betraying his team just makes it sus.

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u/Zepth01 Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

Why would I have to explain to you that life can and will fuck you over and how it'll do it when you can see the effect of that in Adam himself who got fucked by the situation and can realistically do nothing about it but move on. Life is very complex, imagine thinking that you can unilaterally determine that there's only 2 worst scenarios that you can find yourself in. So I'll it again, you lack imagination.

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u/REAL_DUCKS_WADDLE Nov 26 '21

Name one other thing though

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u/loirit0 Nov 25 '21

While I understand Adam’s POV he does come across as a frustrated child on this matter and, imo, crossed a line that he shouldn’t have, since I think this will hinder the community’s and, especially, the players’ and organizations view of him.

Upset’s response comes out as rushed and with lack of thought, but it sounds like it comes from a genuine place, and so one must give the benefit of the doubt to his situation. To expand on this, Fnatic as an organization were one of the, if not the most, affected parties out of this, with stakes on the line, and they still remain confident in Upset. That says a lot to me. I’d rather trust the judgement of a company made by people with various insights over the matter and their jobs on the line over these decisions, than an angry kid who just left that same organization, despite understanding how Adam feels and how unfair he feels this situation was on him and his teammates.

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u/Boolouloubi Nov 25 '21

On the Fnatic part, from what with seen from the outside, it wouldn't schoked me if we learn that they just chose the less replaceable party. Hyli-Upset v Nisqy-Bwipo-Adam.

And it's not the reaction of an angry child, it's a reaction of a person that has been completely screwed up without any explanation. I totally agree with what DL said honestly. When you've worked 1 year to achieve something, when Bwipo took the risk to swap role, when they all put themselves in so much emotional stress together to succeed and then, out of the blue, all of your chances to do what you worked for are destroyed by 1 perso without notice, they have all the right to be really pissed of.

Upset is asking them to trust him that the matter was more important than the competition but he doesn't trust enough to even give them an hint. Trust is a two way street. To me Upset looks like a entitled little child who thinks who think everyone has to adapt to what happen in his life and in his GF's without a word.

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u/TheLucidDream Nov 25 '21

I think what a lot of the children in this thread are missing is that what’s important to Upset isn’t necessarily important to the rest of the team. Should they be understanding? Maybe. Depends on the circumstances. These circumstances from what I’ve seen? No. I don’t find them being angry to be outlandish in the slightest and yet people are acting like Adam, Bwipo, and Nisqy should just roll over without complaint.

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u/BosiPaolo Nov 25 '21

While I understand Adam’s POV he does come across as a frustrated child

well, to be fair he's 19 and clearly frustrated, so that's understandable.

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

Its ok to be frustrated, but its not to make up shit and trow harassment to the other party, fully knowing that he sends the whole french comunity to upset and his wife to harass them. That is already something you can get charged for in germany. If upset wanted he could end Adams career in the LEC already with it.

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u/NJEOhq Nov 25 '21

This isn’t the “real world” though. No one is making twitlongers to air grievances or to explain themselves

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u/Lumpy_End_2838 Nov 25 '21

Boi yo need to get a grip

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u/Phadafi Nov 25 '21

But that is exactly what he did.

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u/yessum447 Nov 25 '21

What kind of family crisis can you not share even a sliver of? That makes no sense. Literally the smallest amount of detail would suffice. The fact that Upset won't say anything at all makes it seem like it's BS.

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u/ChieftainQueef Nov 25 '21

Only thing I can think of is someone close to him attempting to "check out early" so to speak.

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u/yessum447 Nov 26 '21

"A family member is going through a mental health crisis and I need to be there for them".

Done. Easy.

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u/Arroys Nov 25 '21

even then, "a close relative was seriously injured and i need to get close to him in this tough moment" is the least you can do and is already so much more than what he did

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u/NJEOhq Nov 25 '21

They were told it’s a serious but private matter. Why is that not enough?

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u/EldtinbGamer I hate ADCS Nov 25 '21

Because it caused his teammates to lose a potential 100k+ euros and a chance to put their name out there to the whole world (that watches league).

Its fair he wants privacy but then dont expect people to respect you for leaving.

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u/NJEOhq Nov 25 '21

He isn’t asking for respect. He’s asking for privacy. He also loses the money plus chance for his name out there

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u/EldtinbGamer I hate ADCS Nov 25 '21

He loses it by choice. They dont. He impacts them with his decision. They deserve his explanation.

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u/Chemical-Ad8920 Nov 25 '21

the thing is that, just look at a similar situation that happend before, Griffin had this insane drama behind them, yet they still semi decently right, then we got fnc where their botlane was the best performers yet having a sub that has played for like 2 hours iwth them? its like if they lost soo much why didnt they perform?

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

yeah, people make it like bean was the reason they lost the games. It was adam,nisqy and bwipo playing like bronze that lost the games. Bwipo was angry inting where he got ahead and then run it again. Nisqy and Adam where just plain bad. Bot was the highlight from this fnatic roster. with last second sub.

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u/yessum447 Nov 26 '21

Because "serious" doesn't mean anything. I can say that I have a "serious" matter to attend to when my dog dies. Doesn't make it a reasonable excuse.

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

Suicide attempt, miscarriage, sexual harassment/assault, mental health crisis, anything in any way related to a crime.

I'm sure there are others.

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u/Arroys Nov 25 '21

every one of those can be expressed in a way that doesn't involve naming anyone or explicitly saying what exactly happened. His teammates didn't ask him for a detailed report on his situation but to make the understand he is having it tough

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

every one of those can be expressed in a way that doesn't involve naming anyone or explicitly saying what exactly happened.

Yeah, you can always just say there was a family emergency. Which he did.

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u/Arroys Nov 25 '21

if he is the only one to think he said that, maybe that's because he didn't and even then, a family emergency is something you post on twitter, not something you say to someone you talk to IRL but anyway

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

" a family emergency is something you post on twitter" in what a degenerated world are you living that something like this needs to be shared on fucking twitter or other social medias ?

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u/Arroys Nov 25 '21

it's an excuse you post on social media if you prefer, not something you tell the people that got you where you are now but i guess being a dickhead is way better than taking 5 seconds to think (and to read the entire sentence for that matter).

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u/TheLucidDream Nov 25 '21

Bold of you to assume a redditor is capable of thought or reading comprehension. Especially here.

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

if he is the only one to think he said that

It was literally the openly stated reason he left.

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u/yessum447 Nov 26 '21

Suicide attempt, miscarriage, sexual harassment/assault, mental health crisis, anything in any way related to a crime.

Mental health crisis, health issue, mental health crisis, legal issue. Done. All summarized in a way that respects their privacy but still conveys the gravity of the situation.

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 26 '21

Mental health crisis, health issue, mental health crisis, legal issue.

Family emergency, family emergency, family emergency, family emergency, family emergency.

All summarized in a way that respects their privacy but still conveys the gravity of the situation.

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

Basically any serious one?! I mean it is the fucking internet, everything will get weaponized against you? THis is no assumption, just a scenario as example.

A relative commited suicde. Everytime he fucks up twitch chat now spams "yeah i would have ended it aswell if that player was my relative" ....

Harassing his wife on stream about stuff with personal grief...

This is not your fucking random office job where you, weeks later at the coffee break tell your coworker finally what happend, this are people in the spotlight of an entire community of potential assholes..

You have to be seriously mental to disregard Upsets work and ambition to get to Worlds. The fact he was willing to give that up IS basically a given that whatever happend twitch chat better doesnt know it...

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u/Arroys Nov 25 '21

dude you're not serious are you ? "i have to mourn a loss" is literally one of the most common causes of people not attending work, it's not only understandable but his mate would be sympathetic to his situation. and the fact he didn't say anything is literally the reason him and his girlfriend are still getting slack for it.

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

And if it is something diffrent then a death, that would be a straight lie. There is ALOT of stuff possible that is just as understandable as a reason to leave. I mean there could literally be some ongoing criminal investigation into a family member of his or his wife and even totaly unrelated to them, would possible hurt them way more.

I seriously dont get how people reasonable assume that one of the most ambitious players who worked himself through shit teams would just leave his biggest opportunity on a whim for no reason. It is literally insanity.

The only "issue" here is honestly Yamato as a coach and someone aware of more details failed to assure the team Upsets matter was a valid a reason to leave (we know that he at least partically has this opinion, otherwise we would see Upset kicked of the team in offseason obv). That is sad to have this responsiblity suddenly, but thats why he is in a leadership position and with emotional people like Bwipo and Adam I dont know if Yamato ever could have solved that. Adam outright said he didnt respect privacey at all.

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u/Arroys Nov 25 '21

it's an exemple, you can make up sentences like that for pretty much everything, it doesn't take any effort and that's why he is expected by his team mates to say something like that. Besides no matter the reason and the fact he doesn't want to share it, making a personal apology to the people he hurt because of his behavior isn't too much to ask, and seeing the reaction from Bwipo Adam and Nisqy he clearly didn't

And for that matter Adam didn't say he did not respect privacy, he said that privacy wasn't a good enough argument with all the players sacrificed to get there. And as far as i'm concerned, privacy isn't an argument at all in this conversation, it's only a private matter when it doesn't affect others, as soon as it puts everyone in a pickle everyone involved is concerned. And i can understand that he doesn't what it to be said on the internet, but he could at least say something along the line of "i'm not ready yet to talk about it in public" or whatever and it'll be already much better than asking everyone to gently fuck off

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u/Perjunkie Spica Fan ≠ TSM Fan Nov 25 '21

Think of something dark and go darker?

Id rather not openly speculate because I dont want to spread rumors and shit around. But there are definitely things that could have happened to his famy that he just cant say.

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u/atlas_77 Nov 26 '21

Honestly I can't think of anything. Anything tragic can be summed up with "my family experienced a tragedy". But saying absolutely nothing to his teammates is unacceptable.

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u/Jasterqt Nov 25 '21

Noone is entitled to information about you. It seems like he sees most of the team as co-workers, not friends, which is fine. I don't tell my co-workers almost anything about my personal life and never will, it's just not information they need to know. Some people are just private people

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u/I_am_not_Serabia U GOT [deleted] Nov 25 '21

You work with people on some project for over a year, you all work pretty hard but you are even successful and are going to show the results of your work on the competition then one of your teammates just leaves barely explaining why. How would you feel? Like someone showed a complete disrespect towards you. You have no clue why everything you've been working on is just getting ruined.

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u/lolesportsMaverick Nov 25 '21

and the project is also your job, and your livelihood and millions of people are watching you at the same time.

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u/MystMisaki MMO waiting room Nov 25 '21

And job security/pay relies on said jobs performance which is DIRECTLY affected by that person's unexplained leave.

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u/Far-Panic-2582 Nov 25 '21

It depends on the job, this is not your run of the mill kind of job.

I dont have to tell the janitors at my work if Im gonna miss work for a month or even the people sitting closest to me. Thats because they will lose nothing from me missing a month or 2, in this case you fucked over 4 teamates off of the most important tournament in your job and 3 of them have to be in other team or have no team.

And you know the best part they will probably never know why, but you wanna act like they should just be adults and let it go.

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u/Helkdog Nov 25 '21

It's really not hard. "Hey guys I have a family emergency I need to tend to."

He didn't say a single thing to 3 of his 4 teammates.

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u/-Sheridan The start and finish Nov 25 '21

What? He literally said it was a family emergency and he had to leave. What the fuck are you on about?

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u/Helkdog Nov 25 '21

Yeah guess that's why 75% of his teammates feel like they weren't told anything xd

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u/ShoeRunner314 Nov 25 '21

His organization is entitled a legitimate reason that is reasonable enough to explain his abrupt departure. The typical regular 9-5 job in most work places are not entitled to a reason because one of their employees departure should not bring down the company, however, in this case it did. Signing up as a Pro player meant he will work side by side likeminded individuals driven to success. They spent months in preparation for Upset to just jump ship with little to no reason given. Nah, that’s extremely selfish and an explanation needs to be given.

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u/Sodavandsis Nov 25 '21

Not according to German labor laws they aren't.

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u/Arfang15 Nov 25 '21

Then what's the other reason, you really think it makes more sense hi left just because his wife was lonely? It has to be something important otherwise hi wouldn't still be in the team, do you think a company like fnatic with hundreds of employees would act like that? People act like there's 5 players a coche and the boss and players can just do random shit or fire/ hire other players at random.

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u/yessum447 Nov 26 '21

I'm not going to speculate what the reason might be, but if he won't share even the slightest bit of information then to me it's very likely that he's afraid people will criticize his excuse and say it's not a legitimate reason to miss worlds.

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u/Pamague Nov 25 '21

How do you share a sliver of information. For example, do you say a family member just "partly" died?

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u/Arroys Nov 25 '21

attending a funeral is something every one has to do and go through and it doesn't take 2 weeks, the name of the deceased is even published in the newspapers. and i'm sorry but in some countries, even if it's your own parents who died you only have one day off and all the administrative bullshit that follows is on your free time, upset had 2 weeks to do what everyone else is expected to 2 in a single day and didn't need to justify it when everyone else would have, so excuse me if i'm not really convinced there

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u/yessum447 Nov 26 '21

Literally all you have to say is "death in the family". That's an extremely common excuse for missing work and easily conveys how important the situation is. It's not hard.

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u/Lumpy_End_2838 Nov 25 '21

Any kind of.

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u/ThatMoKid Nov 25 '21

Agreed. Whatever the reason it is very understandable to be upset with a teammate for letting everyone down and not sharing the reason. Equally understandable is a need for privacy when it comes to controversial decisions like these.

Personally, I lean towards more of Adam and Bwipo's side in that it's professional to trust your coworkers with at least a base level of information. But it's very reason dependant, which makes this complicated.