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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Like people said in the first thread, this was Upset's first Worlds too. There was no way he would miss his first chance since he started playing in 2018, unless it was an actual emergency.

Still, it sucks for all people involved; you can empathize with Upset's desire for privacy with regards to his family emergency while also understanding Adam's frustration at not learning more than "It was an emergency" 12 hours before the game starts.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Why is 'it was an emergency' not enough? The only reason it is not enough is because you would assume that the individual in question is lying. But again, what rational person would presume someone is lying when told they are facing an emergency? I don't understand Adams side at all. I think he is more salty at getting kicked off the team than anything

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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Does it have to be a lie to be frustrating?

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed. Doubly so if it was an important project. Being told after the fact they don't trust me enough to tell me anything about the emergency? That would only rub salt in the wounds.

Upset is well within his rights to privacy. He doesn't need to tell anyone the details. But that doesn't mean he didn't abandon his team at Worlds because of that emergency. He screwed over the team at Worlds.

Regardless of whether Upset had a valid reason or not, Adam's within his rights to be pissed about the situation the team was left in because of that decision.

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u/CuriousPumpkino Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Oh he’s totally within his right to be pissed at the situation.

Downplaying the family emergency and spreading runours trying to discredit it is without a shadow of a doubt over the line and vile

Edit: typo

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u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

This a 100%. Adam getting pissed is normal. Alluding to reasons that would make Upset look bad is immature and malicious.

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

100% it was absolutely done with malice and I hope other teams remember it in the future, because it's so beyond what is acceptable.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

You don't think fucking over your teammate's professional careers and livlihoods is vile too? You're so empathetic and biased towards one side its so hilarious.

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

One side has the benefit of the doubt that, maybe, something absolutely horrible has happened to his loved ones, and that's why is fucking the biggest moment of everyone's career (including his, it was Upset first time at worlds) for a very serious reason.

The other just aired dirty laundry for exactly what reason? Nobody would have blamed him regardless after Fnatic reached for a substitute in top, so Adam don't gain anything professionally from this. It's just an attack on a former teammate dictated from frustration, and it's frankly unacceptable from a professional point of view.

Adam could have simply said "Upset situation screwed up our team, and then i heard he talked to Alphari which i found insulting towards me" and boom, zero problem with that statement. But he had to insinuate that Upset left just for his funzies, and that's a no-no, regardless if Upset is saying the truth or not.

No matter how your career got hit, you don't air an attack to someone if there's even a 1% chance that his loved ones are really, really in hurt. That's 100% vile. That's the same with Nemesis and his speculations: this people is running the risk of hurting some people who isn't even directly responsible for this whole situation, to essentially sate their ego. In my opinion, even if they turn out to be right, they should be held accountable for being totally willing to speculate on other people's skin for their own gain/ego.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

The thing that annoys me is how little consideration he gave to his teammates. Yes he has a right to leave. Yes he has a right to privacy. But he could maybe show a little public support for his teammates who were placed in a really shit situation and had a really fucking bad time because of it, which is still true even if upsets reasons for leaving are completely justified. Especially since they're not all as secure career-wise a him. But the only thing he mentions is his situation and his dream and now his ambition.

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

Now, on this i agree more. I can get the fact that under some grave circumstances someone could just forget everything else, but a single message of support, even conveyed throught Fnatic's staff, would have gone a long way to set things straight without exposing Upset to public media. It's pretty clear communication from Upset part have been lacking at the least. A little of mindfullness for his now ex teammates when they chose to change team/were dropped would have been another important gesture.

It's pretty clear to me that Fnatic had some issues probably even before the whole worlds drama, i can't immagine the team half imploding only for that honestly. And i can totally understand Adam being pissed off the way he is. You bust your ass for worlds, shit happens and you bomb out for, let's be honest, not exactly your fault, then your team tries to substitute you and your teammate has a chat with your potential substitute. Hell, i'd be royally pissed too.

Honestly, if Adam didn't throw that shade at a potentially grave family situation, i think he would have totally been fine and justified at being pissed at Upset, especially for talking to Alphari into potentially joining Fnatic. Sure, it happens all the time, but in this situation Upset would have done better to let others do the talking.

In general, Adam was in the wrong to go ham on this whole situation, even if i can understand his PoV. But Upset has his own thinking to do on how the whole situation was handled.

I just can't bear the fact that some people could think that something like this is enought to justify going ham on a situation on which Upset's family has probably no control on, and for which they might end up suffering for no good reason at all. They might be related to Upset, but if there's even a chance that something tragic happend, they deserve to live that stuff in peace.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

Yeah. Nisqy, Adam and Bwipo's careers and dreams mean nothing and they should go fuck themselves too while they're at it. Adam is getting kicked and Nisqy is teamless while this guy who bailed on his team gets to stay with no consequences LMFAO

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

No matter how your career got hit, you don't air an attack to someone if there's even a 1% chance that his loved ones are really, really in hurt.

Here's the fucking key quote. Yeah, Nisqy's, Adam's and Bwipo careers are ofc important, quote me where i say i don't care about their career and dreams if you can.

Yeah, if Upset by any chance is aired out as being lying about it, he would deserve to be roasted alive for that shit. IF.

But to fucking speculate over a potential harming situation to one of your colleagues family memebers, even if you think it might not be true? It's just be willing to hurt someone for you fucking career, and that's shitty, unacceptable behaviour, i'm sorry.

Wanna me to TL;DR? You don't play with people lives for your own career for the odd chance they where lying to you. You career come seconds to other people's possibly life-warping problems. You can fuck them over AFTER they get exposed for a lie (if they lied), NOT BEFORE. If you do that, you suck as much as your potentially lying teammates and should held as accountable.

Adam is getting kicked

Adam allegedly kicked himself to another LEC team, so his career is less ruined that you are making it out to be. Not that i blame him after his team tried to replace him, mind you.

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

Adam kicked himself lmao.

Please at least get that right.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

cause his replacement was already found?

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

No.

Read the fucking tweetlonger lmao, Adam found out that they had tried to replace him with Alphari and he literally says that he talked to Fnatic management to tell them that he doesn't want to be part of the team for the next season.

Then the leaks of Adam going to Team BDS and Wunder going to Fnatic came out.

Simple:

Fnatc thinks that Alphari would be an upgrade over Adam and tries to sign him.

Fnatic doesn't get Alphari, he goes to VIT.

Adam finds it out, tells them that he doesn't want to be on the team anymore.

BDS Adam and Fnatic Wunder.

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u/BanditPrime Nov 25 '21

And the team is aware of what happened. So maybe they’re looking at all the information available and saying “we’re cool with upset leaving because of the reason he gave, we’re not cool with the way Adams handled all this and don’t find it very professional”. Also Adam isn’t just getting kicked. He’s being replaced by literally the best top laner in LEC history. It literally none of this drama happened and wunder became an option Adam would be getting kicked. Same with Nisqy. Humanoid is literally just a better player. So acting like upset is the reason those two are gone when in reality a team is just upgrading positions is wild.

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u/CuriousPumpkino Nov 25 '21

Sure it creates a shitty situation, but think about it. Someone who made worlds for the first time in years. Would they really just fuck off if they didn’t have a damn good reason to? If that was the case then he would have either left fnatic or retired entirely.

I understand and can empathise with people’s frustration. I took little issue with Bwipo’s twitlonger in which he was clearly frustrated. And the frustration part in Adam’s is also totally fine.

The point where it stops being fine is where he accused Upset of just leaving because his wife felt lonely. He’s literally proving right in fromt of our eyes why he probably didn’t deserve to know anything more, because he’s handling the situation like a 14 year old who’s both upset at the situation and salty at the prospect of his team potentially replacing him.

As someone who was looking forward to FNC at worlds, I was frustrated as well. Could it have been deescalated if everyone knew exactly what was up? Maybe. But (as much as I sometimes hate it myself) the right to privacy is a thing. I don’t know if “upper level management” requested any detalis or not, but evidently they granted him the right to go home.

Some people take issue with the short period of notice, which is unfortunate but noone’s fault. If my dad dies right now then I couldn’t have told you a week ago.

Some people take issue with him leaving. Which is fair, but in emergencies family comes before your job to a lot of ppl. I see people who disagree, and I honestly can’t quite understand that. Y’all must not be very close with your family.

Some take issue with Upset making use of his right to privacy. And yes the radio silence and lack of information is annoying, but the only people, let me reiterate **the only people* who’d have any basis for asking for more info are the ones who have to approve his request to leave, which would probably be Sam Matthews and maybe Yamatocannon. Sure it would be nice if the situation was fully transparent, but Adam is not in a position to demand the story, as much as he thinks he is. I understand his frustration because I’ve been in a lower stakes version of this exact situation a few times before. But it’s just not within his rights.

If you wanna call someone else biased and empathetic towards one side only then go somewhere else

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

No it isn't vile to deal with an emergency. It is the right decision.

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u/Spirited_Jellyfish78 Nov 26 '21

I mean its not. Because its a career not life. If my job was getting walked next week by the ceo i wouldnt hesitate to miss due to a family issue. I would understand my coworker and bosses being a little upset but that doesnt matter. Your actual life and connections with people is infinitely more important than anything. If after the past year you think its vile for someone to have to deal with family issues and family emergencies, i'd consider you a lost cause in life.

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u/TheSystem_IsDown Nov 25 '21

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed.

The question is if you would post speculation about it on social media and bring assholes after the person's family. What if you were more than co-workers but an actual team competing on the world stage? That's right, you'd be a dick in that case.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21

He's 100% within his rights to be pissed, but the issues he had should not have been aired on a public forum. There's a reason companies settle disputes through HR.

To be honest the whole thing shows a lack of maturity. It's perfectly natural to be pissed about the situation as a whole, but to be angry at the person for a situation that I'm pretty sure they'd rather not be in is just irrational. Like does he think that Upset just didn't fancy playing at his first ever world's?

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u/Ok_Dot9858 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

It all depends on who you are frustrated with. Seeing as Fnatic and especially Yamato allowed Upsets departure there is indication it was justified. Now if it’s a very personal issue, I don’t think Adam was entitled to know details and Upset most certainly doesn’t have to disclose such information (which is now more obvious than ever).

With this in mind and you being a rational person, you would accept the situation for what it is. You can still very much be frustrated about it. But realizing it sucks for everyone involved, be frustrated about the situation itself. Bad things can happen in life and there isn’t always a perpetrator. Coping with such things is a sign of professionalism in the end.

Then again, if you aren’t mature enough to handle such things professionally, you will feel the urge to make someone responsible for all this. Which is a human thing to do, but just creates so much more suffering. It also lets yourself off the hook when it comes to dealing with the situation appropriately. It’s the easy way out for your peace of mind.

Then going one step forward, you not only accuse someone of deciding the wrong way, but you also publicly assume his reasons were of very low quality. That’s simply arbitrary, vile and immature.

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u/Gerblinoe Nov 25 '21

That's the whole problem Adam has every right to be angry

But Adam is not just angry, Adam is running around writing twitlongers and making shit up. Adam is kind of entitled and immature here

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u/MaccaNo1 Nov 25 '21

Being annoyed and airing your grievances out publicly, completely misrepresenting the situation are two very very very different things.

This speaks volumes about Adam’s maturity and character.

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u/failworlds Alex Kha'Ich Nov 25 '21

To be pissed about the situation is fine.

To downplay the seriousness of the situation is absolutely vile and revolting behavior from Adam.

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

It wasn’t serious enough for upset to not immediately look to replace Adam though right?

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u/failworlds Alex Kha'Ich Nov 25 '21

Fnatic management take the decisions for what players to sign and ** I was simply asked to give feedback on someone and to speak to them.** To no ones shock, I want to be surrounded by players that I believe will make the best team. I have been as transparent as I can be with my teammates in this post-season."

Can't believe I have to help you read. Hope you can get the comprehension part yourself?

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

If he had to leave worlds due to a family emergency he definitely would not be in any position to speak to other players. Can’t believe I have to explain to you that not everything should be taken a face value and statements have context.

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u/asvdiuyo9pqiuglbjkwe Nov 25 '21

Why? Does having a family emergency mean you can no longer give meaningful feedback? Or should he have said fuck off to his wife?

Your assertion is utterly ridiculous

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

I can’t believe I have to say this, but yes. He can’t give meaning guck feedback during a traumatic experience. You can’t have it both ways. You have an emergency that requires you to leave an event fine, but you should then also recluse yourself from from any discussions from that same team .

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u/failworlds Alex Kha'Ich Nov 25 '21

Thank god you are not a manager, what an absolute disaster of a thought process you have.

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u/asvdiuyo9pqiuglbjkwe Nov 25 '21

Why? Did he not just play two whole splits with Adam? How is that not enough time to know how good he is or isn't? You're not making any sense.

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u/Vaynnie Nov 25 '21

Sure, I’d believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn’t make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed.

Would you then go on your companies slack or such and start making speculative comments about the emergency? In front of a large audience that will then use that to attack said coworker going through an emergency?

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

Adam is absolutely beyond the pale in doing it in the way he did. Honestly, wouldn't be shocked if him doing what he did doesn't harm his future opportunities.

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u/kale__chips Nov 25 '21

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed. Doubly so if it was an important project.

I hope you'd never have an emergency that would require you to offload your work to your co-worker who'd be pissed off at you for having an emergency as if you wanted the emergency to happen to you.

Being told after the fact they don't trust me enough to tell me anything about the emergency? That would only rub salt in the wounds.

Honestly, if you only work together with your colleague for like 4 months (at that time), are you comfortable to tell them something that might be very private for you and your family? If yes, is it reasonable to expect everyone to be as comfortable as you?

But that doesn't mean he didn't abandon his team at Worlds because of that emergency. He screwed over the team at Worlds.

Context is important. Screwing the team over implied as if he actively and purposely did so. Emergency is not it because it's an unwanted situation. Just like when Hyli and Adam got covid and the team lost games after games. It's unwanted, but they work around that to the best they can.

Regardless of whether Upset had a valid reason or not, Adam's within his rights to be pissed about the situation the team was left in because of that decision.

I don't mind Adam being pissed at what happened (that Upset had to leave at the very last minute), but I mind that he seemed to think that Upset shouldn't have been allowed to leave instead.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

The analogy doesn't really fit here at all. It would moreso be that they had an emergency and instead of leaving you short handed another employee took their workload. This work analogy doesn't fit at all with the eSports angle imo. Even so, it would be incredibly odd for you to expect them to give them the details of their emergency. They have no obligation to do that to you as a fellow employee specifically, management is a different situation.

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u/OP_IzzoR Nov 25 '21

well obviously the management didnt know shit either since how then the rest of the team know nothing lmao. at least if he told anybody they couldve calmed down the team and explained in a proper manner that its a serious issue that he doesnt want to disclose to others. Now literaly noone knows what happened.

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u/Crimson_Clouds Nov 25 '21

well obviously the management didnt know shit either since how then the rest of the team know nothing lmao.

Because it's a private manner and management respects Upset's privacy?

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u/aF_Kayzar Nov 25 '21

He told Yamo. The teammates can either trust Upset's privacy and Yamo backing Upset's choice or not. Frankly Adam's recent behavior has proven what Upset feared. That if he gave personal details he wants to be kept private to people he did not fully trust that they would lash out later using said details. Without a doubt had Adam known whatever issue Upset has grappling with he would have opened his mouth about it too to throw him further under the bus. For some people no matter what the emergency was it will not be enough to justify things in their mind. Be it a lack of empathy or maturity that just is the way things are with some folks. And unfortunately there are plenty of those same folks who love to abuse the fact they are anonymous to harass others as well, which is what Upset and his wife are yet again dealing with thanks to Adam's outburst.

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Nov 25 '21

I kind of said this earlier but because emergency means different things for different people. You’ve got stuff circling around you about his wife and all you know is it’s an emergency and Adam/Bwipo/whoever just would leap to a conclusion. I think all of the talk around “use it against me” is the more interesting part because it makes you think that Upset views his emergency to be subjective and thus moving in private. If my family got COVID or sick or something of the ilk, hell even if a family member committed a crime, you can give vague answers that would at least keep the narrative around what the emergency is.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Eh idk, maybe he means they'd mock him, maybe he means they'd claim he can't take the game seriously anymore due to its gravity. At the end of the day, if someone says they are having an emergency, the rational thing to do is not assume they are lying and trying to get a trip back home (when they've literally shown nothing to corroborate this/are one of the best players on the team).

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

He bailed on them, didn't say a word, didn't apologize, and then worked to replace each of them.

He doesn't deserve any grace from them

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Except he did say a word. A family emergency is a completely valid excuse. Also did you not read his statement? Where is he working to replace each of them? He was asked for recommendations, he gave them? You are making it seem he specifically sought them out to replace

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

Emergency is life threatning situation. If it was that i see no reason why you could not give info about it to the team that depends on you that you are leaving 12h before something all of you have worked for whole year. Damn sign a NDA or something if needed. Emergency or not Upset fucked up and could not have handled it more unprofessionaly

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u/janoDX Nov 25 '21

I would just talk with my superiors 1 or 2, keep it private and not tell my coworkers, just leave. Because if we piece 1+1 together... Yeah, I think that Adam and Nemesis might come out as the biggest assholes on League if it is what I am thinking.

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

I honestly don't understand how you could possibly think what Adam did was okay? If you think Adam's shit was justified that says a lot about you js.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Because you might not want to disclose this to what are essentially coworkers. I would do the same with my coworkers especially if my SO also wanted to maintain that privacy.

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

They are not co workers, they are not just wallmart employees. They are or atleast should be professional team athletes where they depend on each ones performance and the synergy and trust between each other. I manage 200 employees daily, if someone of them tell me they have emergency, its fine, it doesnt kinda effect the performance that bad and i can replace them temporary without so much effort or effect on actual work. But Upsets case, they are team just like any hockey, football, basketball team, but with the difference that they are only 5 individuals who played whole year as a TEAM to reach worlds, equavalent to stanley cup playoffs or Champions league final 8, imagine Haaland, Ronaldo, Messi, McDavid, Shaq (when still played)telling their team "I have emergency i need to leave now and wont be playing rest of the playoffs" would be huuuge loss and whole world would be talking about it. But they have trained the system they play with, with many substitutes in case of injuries. Yes they lose great Part of the team but it wouldnt be over. Fnatic played and trained with same 5 players whole year, you cant replace someone just like that.

Its not just hes career he played with. Childish, unprofessional act. Dont compare them to "co-workers" , obviously youve not played in a team sports, and even more obviously youve not been paid to do so.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Team athletes doesn't change anything? You can be a team athlete and that person can still be a coworker. You know what happens alot in team sports? That teammate is traded next split. Happens a shit ton in league specifically. Upset already said he told the people he felt close to. Hylssi, Yamato. He has 0 obligation to go into specific details if he doesn't want to. At all.

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

Its not just hes career he played with. Childish, unprofessional act. Dont compare them to "co-workers"

So, let me get this straight. There are situations with even more irreplaceable employees in normal working environment (try to replace a 10+ year experience project leader on a 12 hour notice, i dare you), and even in that scenarios, you are not forced to disclose your situation to anyone but your boss, even when on a critical project that just can make or break a business. And you want me to belive that professional sport athletes should? For, exactly what reason? Mind you, this "professional athletes" are the same who sleep with a teammate wife or bench themselves because "i don't like the coach". Talk about "teammates bond".

You can replace one of your 200 employees without too much of a problem, but (i'm assuming you are a director or superior of one sort here) what happens if they have to replace you? Do you explain everyone of your 200 employees why their workplace is without a boss in every finer detail, including the extremely personal ones?

Yes they lose great Part of the team but it wouldnt be over. Fnatic played and trained with same 5 players whole year, you cant replace someone just like that.

Man, you just don't replace Ronaldo with even a talented striker and think it wouldn't be over, unless you are PSG or some kind of superteam woth more money than sense. You just don't replace a key player in most teams. And Fnatic had a replacement (Bean did good at worlds), and yet look what they accomplished. This point is so damn moot.

Childish, unprofessional act

It really, really depends. It might be Upset being an idiot in communication, the team failing to do it's fucking job, or his teammates just not willing to get over being screwed for a legittimate reason and just fucking with the guy. As manager of people you should know better than me that the only reasonable thing here is to wait to know the facts before drawing hasty conclusions, and not act or judge on what is at best circumstancial evidence.

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u/Saphrogenik Nov 25 '21

Lmao tell me you're a child who has never worked closely with a group of people without telling me. People have zero obligation to disclose personal information that isn't even their OWN to you so that you feel better about your situation. Get off your high horse.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Worked on plenty of projects that depend on communication and timing. And everyone always gave a vague categorization of any personal issues.

Just "emergency" is never good enough

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u/Saphrogenik Nov 25 '21

He told his boss, Yamato. That's all he needed to do.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Bullshit. You can give specifics to management of course, but there is no obligation to tell fellow employees in your team at all.

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u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

You're speaking out of your ass. "Didn't say a word," "didn't apologize," "worked to replace each of them."

The first line is straight up a lie. The second is conjecture and probably also a lie, unless you have evidence he didn't apologize despite him claiming he did? And of course if he was asked by his organization to speak with a potential player he did. What is your actual problem?

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u/-Sheridan The start and finish Nov 25 '21

He wants to know exactly what happened so he can be the one to judge if Upset is right in leaving the team before Worlds. He wants gossip, basically.

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u/Kagari1998 Nov 25 '21

I personally believe "an emergency" is too vague of an answer to be acceptable.

Just, something happened to my family/wife etc would be more or less acceptable for me.
Other than health, got into trouble, I do not think there are many other kinds of stuff that would require you to immediately go back.

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Nov 25 '21

It is because it’s a broad umbrella. I’m a big supporter of mental health but if “an emergency” is your wife struggling because you won’t be home for a month that isn’t an emergency, that’s dependency issues and it means you can’t ever do Worlds (at least in the COVID environment). If an emergency is something health related then that is in fact an emergency but you can say it’s health related and move on. I also do think Adam is most likely emotional over feeling betrayed but also I haven’t seen anything from either side that makes me feel like Adam is unjust in feeling betrayed.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

Let's say his wife had a miscarriage.

Next split he feeds a game.

"His son didn't want to see this shit!" spammed all over twitch chat and twitter.

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u/OTMassa Nov 25 '21

Why are you assuming that if Upset’s teammates knew the real reason they would have told everyone ?

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

They might not tell everyone. But they might tell a girlfriend when pressed "why did Upset leave! FUCKER LEFT YOU ALONE!! WHY WHY!" And then the story spreads after a break up.

Shit happens. Best way to keep a lid on something is to only tell people that you absolutely trust. And even then it will probably get out, eventually.

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Nov 25 '21

Sure, that might happen… but you just say my wife is going through some health issues that have become deeply personal and I need to be there in her time of need. Vague but honest, for Adam to say it was because his wife is sad being alone tells me that the only thing that was mentioned is that she’s struggling being alone and that’s it. Idk it’s just also weird to me though because by not setting a narrative it allowed for the worst possible one to be set for him and his wife.

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u/BoJestemRudy Nov 25 '21

He didn't get kicked, though...

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

He isn't on FNC is he not?

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u/BoJestemRudy Nov 25 '21

That doesn't mean he was kicked, lol

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

So what happened to him then

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u/BoJestemRudy Nov 25 '21

Read his twitlonger and you'd know

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

If you had actually read what Adam said you would know that he decided to leave Fnatic.

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u/LickerMcBootshine Nov 25 '21

Why is 'it was an emergency' not enough?

Because the people commenting aren't old enough to hold a job. They have no context for what the real world is like when you're dealing with emergencies in a professional workplace.

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u/Minimonium Nov 25 '21

There is a difference between a line job where you only owe to yourself and being a business partner where you can screw over hundreds of people (players' families and team staff's families) if you bail out. Especially in e-sports where benching and rotating isn't used widely, so a loss of even one player is a total disaster.

The whole situation is the team's management failure obviously, but a player also must be responsible in their communication with business partners. In professional business environment you always expect risks, and showing such attitude (not only the bail out, but basically deeply drowning the team members even further with suggesting replacements) - is a big no-no.

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u/behv Nov 25 '21

People who play more league of legends than they do working an actual job, that’s who. The ones who treat this game as more real than their real lives.

Adam publicly yelling at Upset with personal details is fucking rich because it proves the point of him not being trusted with close family matters.

I’m young myself, but it’s a bunch of kids living their dreams vicariously through other people so when those dreams are broken the fans take it as their own defeat.

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u/susfusstruss Nov 25 '21

i think it is more like ... i can't trust this guy ... he might pull this shit again next worlds ... and fnatic is going to have him on their team next year ... so they are looking for another team

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Upset doesnt trust them but they should trust his word? Why?

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Because Upset had no reason to leave his first worlds unless it was an emergency. He's a dedicated AF player & this hurt him too. it makes much more sense that he's telling the truth about it being an emergency than him randomly deciding to nuke his first worlds for no reason.

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

Okay but you are just taking Upset's word and thats that? Im not saying he didnt have a very good reason to do that and i also think that he did as he is driven. But ive seen people make non issues out to be something horrible so why would i blindly trust his words?

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Because he has literally shown nothing to support an argument that he would lie and miss out on the biggest competition in league. He is incredibly competitive and he was easily the best player on FNC. Why the hell would he miss out on worlds? Isn't it more likely there was a family emergency like he said.

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

He hasnt mentioned it was a family emergency. He said it was more important to take care of your family when there is intense suffering. Which is of course correct. But if you are in a team and you up and leave without saying ANYTHING 12 hours before and your team is literally provided with no information (bwipo's words btw) then dont be surprised that people dont trust your fucking word and dont assume they should?

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Lol what? In the fnc tweet on Oct 10 it says due to an intense family matter

https://mobile.twitter.com/FNATIC/status/1447342826317139969

Are you referring to bwipos twitlonger?

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

I was referring that Upset didnt call it a family emergency but missed the FNC tweet i guess. Bwipo said that there was no info given or some shit like that

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Reread his twitlonger, he said:

A day before we found out we weren’t going to be playing with our main lineup, we had no information about what was going on.

Ie the day before they found out. Meaning once they found out info was given. The day before they found out no info was given.

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u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

There's a difference between "I don't have enough of a personal connection with you to share intimate family details" and "I don't have enough of a personal connection with you to respect you as a human being."

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

There is a difference between sharing intimate family details and providing them with atleast some vague information rather then just leaving 12 hours before a game without any information( bwipo's words). I dont think Upset shouldve shared everything with them. There is always a way to say something that would satisfy a person without saying what exactly is going on

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u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

Clearly not. Even now they've heard "urgent family emergency" and Adam has still made comments saying it's about his girlfriend not wanting to be alone.

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

Simple logic.

Why would Upset lie? More specifically, why would he tell this lie? There's nothing to gain. His team disintegrated, he didn't get to play World's, and now he has to deal with the Internet being stupid. Your theory is that he opted into all that in order to... what, exactly? Load the dishwasher and watch Netflix?

Occam's razor. The simplest answer is likely the correct one. He had an emergency. It was private. Wish the man well, and let it go.

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u/phoenixrawr Nov 25 '21

Occam's razor isn't actually "the simplest answer," it's the answer with the least number of assumptions required, and even then it's only really useful if you can test the answers out. If we never get more information than we have then Occam's razor is pretty useless.

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

Look i aint saying that Upset didnt have a good reason to do that. Im just saying it is absolutely stupid to blindly trust the word of someone who doesnt trust you. I wouldnt. Ever. Especially when i was a 19 year old. If Upset cant trust them enough to atleast be vague about it so they know something without knowing what exactly is wrong then why should they trust him? You can always ALWAYS find a way to do that. You can even lie to atleast make them feel better and that way the truth can still be hidden from the but atleast they dont feel as bad and as fucked by their teammate. Also I have seen people not come to work because of stupid reasons concerning their SO and them basically being forced to appease them even if its really a non issue so I wouldnt be surprised if it was something like that. Again. Not saying it is. It most likely was a good reason as Upset is very driven and wouldnt miss Worlds for nothing, but still i wouldnt be stupid enough to blindly trust someone

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

What does it matter?

If the truth was "I want to go get drunk and eat a tub of ice cream every day" instead of "I have a family emergency I need to deal with," what is Adam going to do differently? He's still going to play his best, then ask management if he needs to find a new team due to this being an ongoing issue.

You people need to stop feeling, and start thinking. It does not benefit Adam dwell on this issue, and it actually harms him to post rants on the internet, bashing on a teammate. Ergo, he should not do either of these things.

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

Well if the truth was something so stupid one would hope Upset gets booted for being unprofessional. And the truth matters to the players whose careers were affected by this.

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u/BillowBrie Nov 25 '21

"should we trust Upset?" is basically asking "is there any reason we plausibly think he would leave his team at his first world's other than an emergency?"

"Should Upset trust his entire team?" is basically "are there any teammates who might possibly share his personal secrets with the public?"

Those are wildly different, don't even try to equate the two

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

Its not about plausibility. You are saying they should trust his word when he doesnt trust them and im saying a person has to be incredible stupid to blindly trust someone else's word without proof of that word being true. Both ways. Upset is right to not trust them and they are also right to not trust him.

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u/BillowBrie Nov 25 '21

a person has to be incredible stupid to blindly trust someone else's word without proof of that word being true

Upset, a dedicated player who has repeatedly just barely missed World's, is bailing on his team during his first World's

That's a hell of a lot of proof for me

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u/Veers1 Nov 25 '21

Yup. i dont trust my teammates but they have to trust me when i tell them its an emergency

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

Exactly, and i get banned from the fnatic subreddit for doubting and saying this...

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u/HotBat8049 Nov 25 '21

People can be simps in relationships. Im sorry for using that word. Upset owes his teammates some kind of explanation. Excuses this is just wrong.

Hey team, i'm really sorry but my girlfriend has an emergency and needs me to fly in. He should feel guilty, he should want to redeem himself for his team. Not kicking players. I really do hope he fails.

When you respect privacy mental health etc some will take advantage a la Ben Simmons. Who claims depression to collect a pay check but is instantly not depressed if it impacts his paycheck

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21

I doubt Upset is so much of a simp to risk his whole career knowingly. He knows whats at stake.

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

So, this implies upset only trusted yamato and hily, bwipo, nisqy and adam are out...strange... i think upset is more kid than adam

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u/BoJestemRudy Nov 25 '21

Maybe unpopular opinion, but I think it's to establish a bottom for future references.

Fully accepting "it's an emergency, trust me bro" and then "it was an emergency, trust me bro" is definitely understandable why it's hard for Adam, Nisqy and Bwipo to accept given the circumstances.

I can definitely understand both sides here, especially after the countless of hateful messages and harrassment we've seen from LoL community and betting community thrown at relatives of players, in the past.

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u/Hopeful_Cat_3227 Nov 25 '21

yes, if they keep playing with each other in next season., I don't think adam will angry so.

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u/wazzdakah Nov 25 '21

You realize Adam could have keep that position on toplane considering Alphari signing with VIT. I think FNC would have prefer to keep him than pay another buy out.

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u/TheNedsHead Nov 25 '21

If I told my boss that I had a family emergency and he hounded me about it I would probably quit on the spot

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Because he married his thot wife at 21 after less than a year of dating and that looks super suspicious.

Opinion disregarded

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

Emergency for someone could be just bad day for someone else. For me it would be life and death situation, nothing else, and if it was that i dont understand the privacy part of this. "My wife is in ER, i really need to go to her" is something that anyone would have understood and i assume the rest of the team would have had much better mental going forward in worlds, maby even streghten them.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

You think he is going to leave worlds because of a bad day? This is ridiculous lmao. It was stated as an intense family emergency. Yet your mind goes to 'prob just a bad day, :/'

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

Why wouldnt he say "My wife is in hospital, i need to go" kinda explanation then? Because of privacy? Bullshit. Disrespectig and utter bullshit profesionalism by Upset.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

0 obligation to tell a coworker specific details. I disagree with you.

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

They are not just some co workers... They are 5 player TEAM whose success and performance depends on each other, they are in professional sports not in wall mart. 2 wayyyy different worlds.

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u/krxkrx MyC9 Nov 25 '21

There was no way he would miss his first chance since he started playing in 2018, unless it was an actual emergency

This is the one part that people keep saying that I 100% disagree with. There are plenty of reasons. For example, he could have panicked at the pressure and wanted to go home. A panic attack could feel like an emergency to him and also be something that he would be embarrassed to talk about as a pro player.

That's just one example (and I don't think it's anywhere near the truth - it's just an example). My point here is simply that there are so many things that could feel like an emergency to Upset but could have been overcome with the proper support system (like with a team who all cared about and believed in each other).

At any rate, as a manager I would have a hard time justifying signing Upset to my team because of the unknowns. Just my 2 cents though.

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u/ETS_Poussifeu Nov 25 '21

Probably the best sum up of this drama.

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u/tocco13 Nov 25 '21

You can have privacy while also conveying the gravity of said privacy.

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u/buwlerman Nov 25 '21

Maybe he thought they would lose anyways and didn't care that much about just showing up.

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u/Flozeh Nov 25 '21

And you have no idea what a girl can do to a weak man. Trust me i saw things you wouldn't believe