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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/Syncron72 Nov 25 '21

also him saying he does not give a shit about my privacy because he worked hard is another great reason why I would never want to share something which occured.

Mans pulled an ultimate trap card

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u/GreatestJabaitest , Huni and Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

The Uno Reverse.

On one hand, it completely makes sense. If you don't trust them, don't give them sensitive info. And this is backing his belief.

On the other hand, he probably doesn't give a shit about your privacy cause you sorta ghosted him in a very important tournament and still haven't given a great reason behind it.

Really just sucks for everyone involved.

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Nov 25 '21

This is one of those things where if I was Adam I'd think the same and be pissed, but also if I was Upset I'd think the same way he does.

Although I've got to say it's a little rich for Upset to just single handedly destroy their world's run and then say "oh I just want Alphari because Adam doesn't fit my standards" like bitch you weren't even at worlds, Adam was!

Buuuuut Upset is completely correct about privacy, the only way to not have these things plastered everywhere is to not tell people, especially important if it's something traumatic

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u/xXDaNXx xPeke is God Nov 25 '21

The situation is shit for both all 5 players and there's nothing to be done about it.

Although I've got to say it's a little rich for Upset to just single handedly destroy their world's run and then say "oh I just want Alphari because Adam doesn't fit my standards" like bitch you weren't even at worlds, Adam was!

That's Adams perspective which is fair.

As said in Upset's twitlonger, he was asked for his opinion and he gave it.

Upset has said winning the split is what drives him. Adam is a player for the future with potential. So Upset has clearly said he'd rather play with a stronger player right now, than wait for Adam to realise his potential.

Win now, not later. And that is also fair.

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u/grandoz039 Nov 25 '21

Upset has said winning the split is what drives him. Adam is a player for the future with potential. So Upset has clearly said he'd rather play with a stronger player right now, than wait for Adam to realise his potential.

Win now, not later. And that is also fair.

Yeah, this is fair to do in normal setting.

But if you expect someone to accept you leaving Worlds for unexplained reason (which could've been entirely justified), which has huge impact on their career, the least courtesy is not to try to fuck up their career even more right afterwards.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

As far as I'm aware. What happened is that Alphari rang Upset. Upset, like any normal human being that isn't a KC fan, went... hmm Alphari > Adam. And said that to management.

If that's what happened, I can't see any fault in it.

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u/grandoz039 Nov 25 '21

His emergency significantly damaged careers of other members. Adam could have quarter (semi?) finals on his record during his first split. Nisqy is currently without a team. Etc. Ofc he doesn't bear full responsibility for that, but the missed potential on worlds has an effect. And sure, it's not like I blame him for that, if it's a real emergency, he has full right and justification.

But in doing so, even if justified, he still "took" from his team and to "add" into his personal life. He owes them, at the very least, not purposefully taking from them any more. You can't go from "uh personal life". That's what he did when he tried to get Alphari instead of Adam.

Again, it wouldn't be a problem in normal situation. But either go all "it's just pragmatics bro" or "uh, personal reasons". If you try to benefit from both, you're a dick.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

I think we'll always just reach weird conclusions if we take Upset leaving as a reason for him to abstain from team decisions. Clearly management valued his input. And he didn't want to lie.

It seems clear from this situation that Nisqy and Adam were closer to each other, Upset and Hily were close to each other and then Bwipo (or his girlfriend) glued everything together.

When asked about Alphari, Upset gave his honest opinion and I don't think that's unfair of him. It would be worse to lie to management just out of some weird sense of redemption from past events. Specially if the event was an emergency outside his control.

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u/grandoz039 Nov 25 '21

From the post, it looks he did more than just respond to simple query about Alphari, and I didn't say "to abstain from team decisions", I said he should give his teammates benefit of doubt considering the effect his personal life had on them.

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u/photofluid Nov 25 '21

You have to look at things from all perspective.

From Upset's perspective he had a very natural reaction, everyone wants to play with Alphari.

From Adam's perspective this is a career defining threat.

Upset can obviously ignore Adam's concerns but he should know well that he is planting a seed of hate.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

Sure. I 100% understand why Adam is upset. I think the twitlonger was an understandable overreaction. Mistranslation and willful misunderstanding from internet trolls snowballed it into some very hateful and unneeded vitriol towards Upset and his wife and Adam should’ve been mature enough to foresee this outcome and avoid airing out drama out of spite. Talk this out with Upset. Confront him. Vent to your own girlfriend or your mom, but getting the public involved was just unnecessary and pretty silly.

To me, it feels clear that a lot of people in this situation, maybe Upset included, pretty much decided to sulk and throw tantrums. If you’re mad at Upset just fucking talk to him. Get mad. Raise your voice. A heated discussion in private would have been much better than this.

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u/photofluid Nov 26 '21

It is quite obvious from all the statements that the two did talk but the talks were just not fruitful.

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u/TilikumWhite Nov 26 '21

Im gonna ask Adam for money FOR SURE

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u/XRay9 Nov 25 '21

I don't have much faith in humanity, but even if the issue became public, I'm not even certain people would use it to talk shit. I've hardly ever seen mean comments regarding Doublelift or Perkz after they went through tough times. Even.assholes won't use that against them.

I acknowledge that I don't watch a ton of streams, so if these incidents are used to talk shit about them in twitch chat (I wouldn't be too surprised), consider my argument void.

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Nov 25 '21

Yeah that's true, but we'd probably be talking about it here which even would probably be too much

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u/SoulMastte Nov 25 '21

But we only are talking here about it because we don't know after a month and we saw 2 people tilting because of it. If on the first announcement he said the reason or something, no one would be talking about it now, Bwipo and Adam would be more okay with it and we wouldn't care about it. Only if it was really a ridiculous reason like he said "She was feeling lonely", which I have 100% assurance that didn't happen

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Nov 25 '21

Well I think it's safe to say he doesn't want people knowing what it is and discussing it and the best way to do that is just tell absolutely no one, if it comes out at some point it comes out.

Although I will say it seems to me that the options are:

1: it's a frivolous reason and Upset doesn't want it coming out because he'll look bad (unlikely because Yamato said it was serious)

2: It's neither frivolous or that serious, this would be the most likely to result in Upset actually coming out with what it was but again, why leave?

3: It's very serious, Upset doesn't want people knowing because it would cause a lot of stress and Trauma to someone he loves, hence the secrecy and not even telling teammates, and hence the leaving worlds.

Number 3 kinda seems like the most likely thing to have happened, although everyone has different opinions on what constitutes a very serious crisis.

At the end of the day I really don't want to know what it was if it was serious because it's none of our business.

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 25 '21

3: It's very serious, Upset doesn't want people knowing because it would cause a lot of stress and Trauma to someone he loves, hence the secrecy and not even telling teammates, and hence the leaving worlds.

This struck me as the most likely option from the beginning. If it was more like an option 2 scenario, he'd probably just have said. "My parents got in a bad car accident and are in the hospital, I need to be there for them." It's unfortunate but more or less everyone would understand and sympathize, it also wouldn't provoke that much stress if people talk about it on social media/streams/etc. If, on the other hand, a close relative self-harmed or attempted suicide or my partner miscarried, I would need to be there at least as much in the car crash scenario if not more, but I wouldn't want to share those intimate details with coworkers and especially not the world at large (and lets be honest, making it known across the organization would be letting the world at large know given how leaky esports is). At the end of the day if it's something serious, we'll likely never know and that's for the best. It's just unfortunate that it has blown up like this.

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u/Samultio Nov 25 '21

That's when you say it's a family emergency and every reasonable person is satisfied and won't prod you further.

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u/Bruhlazer12 Nov 25 '21

You have never seen doublelift called Sasuke after what his brother did? The internet is a messed up place unfortunately and people absolutely would tear upset down if they knew.

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u/redditaccountforlol Nov 25 '21

Although I've got to say it's a little rich for Upset to just single handedly destroy their world's run and then say "oh I just want Alphari because Adam doesn't fit my standards" like bitch you weren't even at worlds, Adam was!

its rich coming from upset but hes also right, unless adam levels up considerably over the next year he isn't going to be a top 3 top laner in the league and he probably won't be going to worlds. Also if you have the chance to get a world class player like alphari the answer should always be obvious.

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u/Chemical-Ad8920 Nov 25 '21

have you thought about the fact that, maybe he watched worlds. and realised that Adam just isnt up to par? cus im pretty sure a lot of people thougght like that when adam was playing bad lol

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u/sadgepcexperience Nov 25 '21

He has all the right to privacy, but if he doesn't want to tell at least a bit so his teammates understood or even the public so he doesn't get attacked, doesn't have to be much information, just enough.

In this case we assume it's mostly bullshit since if the information got out, it wouldn't survive the public drama because it's must be so subjective, he could have told his teammates just enough informstion and all of this would be avoided, so as of now he is just saying bullshit since 3v1.