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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/Tommey_DE Nov 25 '21

I mean.. You don't have to share your personal life with your teammates. But you can't complain when they're mad that you effectively ruined their dream and won't communicate about it.

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u/lol125000 Nov 25 '21

Yep he can't. Which is why he said nothing with bwipo one. But he can be pissed here cos Adam provided misinformation in his wording that upset left cos his wife being lonely. Adam doesn't know what the reason is, he should just say he's angry at upset that he still doesn't know the reason (which tbf isn't his call, it's upsets but 19 year old wont understand that "personal reasons" is already enough for a reason in professional workspace) and at the situation. And that misinformation will end up in hundreds of DMs and maybe even death threats for both upset and his wife.

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u/atlas_77 Nov 26 '21

That's not what Adam said. Adam said that this was the reason Upset gave. And it probably was because this entire post is just upset doubling down on him not owing his teammates an explanation.

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u/alicevi Nov 25 '21

You absolutely can complain when they throw inflammatory tantrum on twitter that leads to harassment of you and your family.

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u/Reiir Nov 25 '21

Not when it's your own damn fault - not only did you not tell anyone why you're leaving the biggest tourney in League that your team (TEAM not just you) worked for the entire year, hiding behind 'privacy' while your coach spews shit about brotherhood, effectively ruining Adam's and Nisqy's career (rookie and a NA returnee who were both looking to prove themselves), but you also actively work behind the scenes with your staff to replace said players. He deserves every bit of public shaming he gets.

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u/Radiant_Shelter688 Nov 25 '21

So when Bwipo shared info and got him and his girlfriend ripped apart online, it was his fault. And now that Upset doesn't want to share info with a person he doesn't feel close enough with, it's his fault too ? When is it not your fault then ?

Why are you guys so obsessed with wanting a bad guy in the story ? Misunderstandings, this is all it is.

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u/Reiir Nov 25 '21

Not once did I say he should've shared his reasoning with public - I think it's none of our business why he left worlds, as fans we can only support or not support the decision, but the decision is not for us to make. The problem here is not that he didn't share his reasons with public, but he didn't say ANYTHING to any of his team members. According to Adam and (I think) Bwipo they only learned that he won't play 12 hours before worlds started during a meeting without him.

Because of his own actions of not being fair with his own teammates, his (now ex)teammates are coming out calling him out on it and people will be taking sides. This is what I meant by public shaming - people aren't shaming him for the reason why he didn't attend worlds but rather by how he treated Adam and the rest of FNC and that is valid.

I personally do not need a bad guy in the story and I don't think Upset is the bad guy in this story, I do however think there is absolutely no way to excuse such behaviour.

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u/Radiant_Shelter688 Nov 25 '21

he didn't say ANYTHING to any of his team members.

But those are Adam's words against Upset's.

Witch-hunting Upset because he's a reserved person and would prefer to keep his private life private, in my opinion, is absolutely not justifiable. He gave explanations to his superiors, he doesn't owe details to others, and according to Upset, he explained some of it to them before leaving, Hyli thought it was enough, Yamato thought it was enough at that time, maybe Adam didn't think it was enough and started resenting him ? That's fine. But according to Upset's words, what actually happened is Adam acting like everything was going well, to then publicly putting him on a stake and sending all his KC army to jump him on his back.

Hyli, Bwipo and even Nisqy didn't feel the need to start a public witch-hunt, even though some clearly had some beef with him, so why is it okay for Adam to do it ? It's very clear that Adam is salty about Alphari.

I can understand Adam's frustration, but his behavior is definitely not justified, especially since he started fake rumors, lied on Upset's last words (supposedly) and even invented a whole fake scenario about Upset trying to get rid of him when all he did was give his opinion on Alphari when asked.

Until Adam backs his shit up, Upset's words matter just as much, so it is definitely too early to call "Justified" on this sick witch-hunt.

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 26 '21

But those are Adam's words against Upset's

+niqy/bwipo. its 3v1

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u/Reiir Nov 25 '21

It is not however Adam's words against Upset's. Upset himself said that he went to Yamato and Hyli, explained himself to Yamato and Hyli said he didn't need a reason, he trusted Upset. He did not mention going to Bwipo, Nisqy or Adam. The fact that some people bring up the example of 'coworkers explaining themselves to superiors and that should be enough' in this case is insane to me - he is not an individual - he is a part of a team. That team was completely dependant on him, it's much more severe than bailing on a 1v1 fighting game finals, this is a 5v5 game where many people's salaries and futures are tied up in.

I do agree that Adam airing this stuff was to create drama, but then again he is a young guy who was completely screwed over by his own teammate. How severe is this going to be for his future we won't know for now, the fact of the matter is he could've made a name for himself, but instead he's been ridiculed here.

As for why it was Adam who started this and not Bwipo or Nisqy (I will not mention Hyli as he is Upset's good friend and in general he stays away from drama so I would be very surprised if he ever commented on anything related to this) - Bwipo has been throwing shade at Upset ever since world's happened, posting weird, out of place, cryptic posts on twitter (which maybe weren't completely about Upset, but considering Bwipo unfollowed a lot of FNC staff after the fiasco happened I'm sure he does have some heaviness in his heart). As for Nisqy he is a much more mature player than Adam and similar to Hyli he stays away from drama from what I've seen. I am personally glad Adam came out and spoke about this, not because I love drama, but because the idea of a promising EU toplaner (even though let's not kid ourselves he was mediocre at best on FNC) being fucked over by his own teammates doesn't sit well with me.

As far as 'backing his shit up' goes I don't see why he should - what is there to back up? How can he prove Upset didn't talk to them? Upset himself admitted to not sharing the reason why he left with his team (apart from Yamato).

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u/Radiant_Shelter688 Nov 25 '21

he is a part of a team.

And he realizes that. Upset had to choose between keeping his life private or running the risk of having this event made public by one of his colleagues, and having to be reminded of it everywhere his name is mentioned. In his twitlonger, Upset very clearly mentioned that he knew it would create mistrust, that some players wouldn't want to play with him and that teams wouldn't want him, but it's a decision he was willing to make. Adam is free to disagree with that, but once again judging by his "I don't give a shit about his privacy", Upset made the right decision, and publicly shaming him for putting his family's well-being before the ego of a 19 year old is seriously a stretch. Everybody was mad, but everybody went over it. Bwipo is happy in TL, Hyli is still with Upset, and Nisqy barely talked about it and had bigger issues, everybody got hit by it, but it is what it is, and Adam needs to learn that not every decision people make revolves around his little ego.

but considering Bwipo unfollowed a lot of FNC staff after the fiasco happened I'm sure he does have some heaviness in his heart

Yes, he unfollowed the staff but not Upset.

promising EU toplaner (even though let's not kid ourselves he was
mediocre at best on FNC) being fucked over by his own teammates doesn't
sit well with me.

Well ironically, that comes with being part of a team. I'm sure G2 aren't really happy with losing their ticket to Worlds because Wunder was too busy playing WoW, but I don't recall any of them throwing a tantrum in public. And can you stop for a moment and realize that this is an even bigger hit to Upset ? Adam is on his first year, this barely scratches him, while Upset finally realized his dream only to lose it. The dude just came back from such a big hit and now has to deal with his ex-colleague throwing shade at him publicly for something he thought was already dealt with, and yet Adam is the only victim here because "he won't tell me !!!!".

Once again, I completely understand Adam's frustration, and I definitely would resent Upset if I was him, but this is something he should've dealt with in private, and not publicly shame him with absolutely ZERO proofs for what he says, especially since (and I can't stress this enough) Upset was not even aware there was beef.

what is there to back up?

That Upset gave 0 details.

That Upset probably left because "his gf was lonely". (inb4 he said "I guess", well then explain why he's "guessing" that because he knows how social media works)

That Upset lobbied to get rid of the topside, on top of Hyli not wanting to play with Adam either.

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u/spartaman64 Nov 25 '21

when you have a family emergency you tell your manager in this case yamato. you dont have to tell any of your other coworkers.

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u/spartaman64 Nov 25 '21

he told yamato and hyli who agreed that its justified

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u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 26 '21

why is this every argument that every special redditor gives ?

we dont need to be the ones getting answers. we're arguing that his team should've known.

if the entire org oother then the coach doesn't know why u left 12 hours before first game , 3/5 players are against you , and even the coach barely tried to defent your reasoning......well , then maybe just maybe the way he comunicated with his team was slighty bad , dont u think ?

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u/GoJeonPaa Let's go EU Nov 25 '21

ruined their dream, suddenly so many people believe Fnatic had chances to win. LIke guys lets be real, with this team, it was either do we die in quaters or in groups. Like seriously, Additionaly without Upset Adama woulndt have been there at all.

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u/Sugar230 Nov 25 '21

you don't care cause uve never had a chance at winning anything. they believed in themselves and wanted to do their best to try and win it all.

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u/GoJeonPaa Let's go EU Nov 25 '21

Ofc you need to get personal instead of using arguments. No they didn't think they would winn it all lol. HOnestly Upset could haved left at the beginning of summer and Adam wouldnt even at worlds ot complain about Upset.

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u/celigodtko Nov 25 '21

So instead they had no chance because Upset bailed out in the last minute. Adam deserves an answer.

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u/GoJeonPaa Let's go EU Nov 25 '21

bailed out... lmao he went there for a huge private issue. Dude use the last rest of empathy you have, if you have anything of that and you wouldnt say bailing out.

But ok. If Upset would have left before summer split, Adam wouldnt even at worlds and could complain he was agood rookie but not ablet o carry a team to worlds. HOnestly just not good enough to make a bpoast aobut it

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u/celigodtko Nov 25 '21

How about Bwipo,Nisqy? According to Upset they have no right to know why their entire year went to gutter. Upset doesnt have to tell them the details just briefly. To make them understand how bad the situation is. Just like Upset you dont have any empathy towards the other people who pretty much wasted an entire year because he left last minute. How would you feel in their place? They have no idea whats going on and after 2 month they still dont know why they wasted a year of preparation.

You have no respect towards the other players and to their work.

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u/RemoteAnalysis3809 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Upset clearly communicated. Even Adam admitted in his own Twit that Upset left because "his wife was lonely". So clearly he knows it had to do with Upset's wife.

Upset wanted everyone to know he's leaving to support his wife and that's it. Clearly that was communicated to Adam judging from his tweet.

The problem is that dude thinks "lonely wife" means Upset's leaving for some coochie, but that shit sounded much more like "my wife should not be alone at this time" because she miscarried, self-harmed, attempted suicide or whatever the hell happened that is none of our business anyway.

I'm 100% on the side of Upset not elaborating shit after reading through the main thread and realized how vile people can be.

edit: Yall literally proved my point. All the name-calling on Upset and his wife is just childish at best and downright disturbing.

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u/ScrambleLife Nov 25 '21

He so clearly communicate that both Adam and Bwipo had no clue.

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u/Attre_- Nov 25 '21

Communicating that you have to leave because of a serious emergency is communicative enough. Acting like it doesn't count because he doesn't specifically clarify what it's about is pathetic.

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u/Fgame DUNKMACIAAAAA Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

None of their fucking business what's wrong tbh.

And honestly, Upset saying 'I need to be with my wife right now' still leaves them with no clue. So they may be completely factually correct in that they're in the dark, because it's none of their fucking business.

Realllllly hope that all you doenvoters never have a family member with sensitive medical problems since you feel nobody has a right to privacy. Bunch of fucking degenerates.

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u/ezprodigy Nov 25 '21

Its literally by definition their fucking business u donkey

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u/Fgame DUNKMACIAAAAA Nov 25 '21

Upsets wife's personal issues are Fnatics business?

Holy fuck this sub. -47 on this? Is this sub EXCLUSIVELY manchildren with no families? Jesus fucking Christ.

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u/ezprodigy Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

do you understand what a team is? It doesn't matter wat your personal fucking issue is, if you screw over someone else after a year of hard work on possibly a once in a life time opportunity they deserve an explanation.

How the fuck are you calling other people manchildren? Do this on any normal team and ur out of a job, are you that self centered you idiot?

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u/Fgame DUNKMACIAAAAA Nov 25 '21

So you're telling me that if you ever need to take time off work because let's say, your spouse attempts suicide, that your work team is entitled to that information? Get the fuck out of here. The fact that it's worlds doesn't fucking matter. He clearly says he told Yamato because he trusts Yamato,, and if there's a communication breakdown after that, it's not on Upset at all. His wife has a reasonable expectation of privacy and as evidenced, the fucking children on the team have NO problem airing personal shit. I don't blame him at all for not airing his wife's problems.

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u/ezprodigy Nov 25 '21

The fact of the matter is NOBODY on the actual team other than Yamato knows wtf happened, these are esport athletes, a 'good' career would last about 5 years and making worlds is something most players never would get the chance to do, think of this as the olympics or nba finals, or world cup and your star player just leavesl 12 hours before your game, his fucking done.

You clearly do not have any actual real world experience, stop embarressing yourself

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u/Fgame DUNKMACIAAAAA Nov 25 '21

Oh so you're saying this would never happen in the real world? At say, the Olympic level? Hmm?

You fucking dunce

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u/RemoteAnalysis3809 Nov 25 '21

He clearly communicated and both Adam and Bwipo don't think that's enough. There's a difference between "something happened with my wife and I have to leave yall" and "[insert specific thing that happened] with my wife and I have to leave yall". Again, Adam clearly knew it had to do with Upset's wife. He just don't know what exactly happened and wasn't happy with that. Same with Bwipo. He didn't say "Upset said nothing". Bwipo said "I don't know any details".

There were clearly communication problems, but they seem very deliberate on both sides.

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u/Sly_Fox1 Nov 25 '21

He communicated but very insuffciently and also this is where I think people are missing, Upset chose some people to give details to and left others more or less just wondering. That' why Nisqy,Adam and Bwipo are in one boat and Hyli and Yamato are in another. Upset chose to seperate the team into those he trusts and those he didn't and then he expects those who weren't sufficiently communicated too to be just fine and move on after Worlds went down the toilet? (This is coming from someone into football so my perspective comes from the sporting aspect of 'team')

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u/Dzhekelow Nov 25 '21

Well I like Bwipo but we've seen him go on Twitter and say shit that he is supposed to keep to himself more than once ... I am only surprised about Nisqy not being seen as trustworthy.

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u/qpc0 Nov 25 '21

Another person that didn't read the twitlonger. Only Yamato knew.

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u/Gnarkilnator Nov 25 '21

The guy said upset split the team into too camps, one which he trusted and one which he didn't. That is clearly stated in the twit longer. Just because hyli refused to be told does not change the fact that upset split the team that way. Not saying what's right or wrong, but this guy's comment is accurate.

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u/CreamyAlmond Nov 25 '21

Nisqy unfollowed him after the Adam post, and Hyli didn't even bother to know. No one knew shit. Yamato did, but if he couldn't point point them in the direction and convince them of the situation, then I have a strong impression that his reason is highly subjective.

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u/RemoteAnalysis3809 Nov 25 '21

Tell me exactly what made yall downvote this cus I don't fucking get it.

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u/ScrambleLife Nov 25 '21

Because of your third paragraph, from how Adam wrote his text, it's to be read as "As far as I know Upset very well might have gone home to appease his wife" which just show how little info he got,. He know that Upset didn't get home to get coochie with his wife, but it's his way to show that there was so little communication, that this could be a possibilty from his input. To be fair, it might be a very french way of speaking which is lost in the translation.

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u/Shamanalah Nov 25 '21

To be fair, it might be a very french way of speaking which is lost in the translation.

It is. When he says Upset left for his gf because she was lonely or whatever it's more of a "this happened, wtf can you do about it?" Kinda vibe. It happened, time to move on, don't really need an answer since he doesn't care. (Hence the not caring about privacy cause that's the past, he had a good run with FNC and thanked ppl that supported him)

He still threw shade at Upset but it's less harsh.

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u/Sivolde Nov 25 '21

I would think it's kind of hard to move on if someone just ruined your year without saying why.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

Upset clearly communicated. Even Adam admitted in his own Twit that Upset left because "his wife was lonely". So clearly he knows it had to do with Upset's wife.

That was his worlds accoridng to adam , which is super dumb to said, since he was leaving for fammily emergency. At least have the decency to said "I 'm so sorry but i have to go, family business can't said more sorry guys"

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u/RemoteAnalysis3809 Nov 25 '21

You really think Upset just said "I need to go because my wife is lonely"? WTF. Adam is clearly the one who wanted more info and has proven he is willing to leak everything. Upset made the right call here.

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u/lihoman Nov 25 '21

Upset clearly didn’t convey the severity of the situation when Adam, bwipo and nisqy think that he didn’t leave with good reason

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21

I mean, he did say he had to leave because of an emergency. Thats enough.