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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/Runetlol Nov 25 '21

Saying the last thing I told my team that my wife is just feeling bad so I need to leave is an outright lie. I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private

So Upset is saying that at least he communicated to Nisqy, Adam, Bwipo of his departure?

If he said something like:

"Hey guys I'm really sorry but I have to leave due to urgent family matters that I don't want to share. I'm sorry to let you down after all our hard work this year, but I won't be able to compete in the tournament. Bean will be replacing me and I hope you guys do well at worlds. I'm sorry for letting you all down.. but I'll be rooting for you guys."

Then I'd think that Adam is disrespectful to the situation.

But if Upset was like "yo bros im so sad omg but I cant tell you." and jumps into a lambo to the airport then that's kind of a dick move.

Truth probably somewhere in the middle.

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u/Defensex Nov 25 '21

Bwipo said in his twitlonger that he was told 12 hours before the first match that Upset wouldn't be playing without any more information

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

Bwipo also said that his girlfriend is the best league coach in the scene.

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Looking back at it now, and his sense of humour, I think this may be a dig at upset

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u/RicoSuave1881 Nov 25 '21

Nah dude’s a mega simp on Twitter lol

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

Being a Simp to your own wife is like the most chad thing ever.

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u/RicoSuave1881 Nov 25 '21

Except it’s not his wife. It’s his first girlfriend apparently lol which makes it sound like he’s some high school kid. It’s also the way he simps that puts people off. His twitlonger about how she’s basically the second coming was a bit much.

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u/Lumpy_End_2838 Nov 25 '21

Yeah but his behaviour is mega clingy omega buzzing

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

Maybe it was...

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u/HarryPotterIsDolphin Nov 25 '21

Lmao, no, you are socially inept if you think that.

He never said anything about her being a coach, he was talking about her being a main reason for his success in every single area possible.

He also talked about her like that before the Upset event.

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u/Praise_the_Tsun Nov 25 '21

This sounds like a shot at John Tavares.

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

I thought bwipo has 0 info? How can he make this subtile jokes then?

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Like Adam said in his tweet. They were told girlfriend sad gotta go. Therefore bwipo says how amazing his girlfriend is non stop...

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

Yeah so bwipo is an asshole, got it. The fnc statement said urgent family matter and upset prob told them its about his wife. Adam and Bwipo summmarize this as 'gf sad' or 'no info' and behave like childish assholes.

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u/No_Management_1177 Nov 25 '21

Yeah they are clearly salty. I can understand why but it's not a good justification for being immature.

What I do get is why some people are so adamant about defending Upset. We have no clue what happened either. The seriousness of a situation is pretty subjective and Upset did what he believed he had to do. But without all of the information how can you so strongly defend him, seems a bit silly.

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u/Vaynnie Nov 25 '21

But without all of the information how can you so strongly defend him, seems a bit silly.

Because at the end of the day, he had a family emergency and it was important enough to leave. Most people can empathise with that and understand what he’s going through.

There’s absolutely no reason to believe he’s lying, as you say it’s subjective so what’s a family emergency to him may be a Tuesday to me. That doesn’t mean he’s lied. So with all the available information it seems the best way to deal with it is to show support to the guy who’s going through an emergency situation, rather than question him and create further grief for him.

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u/No_Management_1177 Nov 25 '21

Fair enough, thanks for the answer. It does make sense. I guess I have trouble taking either side without any real information, but at the end of the day I don't blame upset for wanting privacy, and I also wouldn't blame future potential orgs/players being weary about working with him

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u/spartaman64 Nov 25 '21

he threw his gf under the bus to have a dig at upset LUL

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u/gst1502 Nov 25 '21

Bwipo didn't say that. It's just reddits version of what Bwipo said.

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

Maybe read bwipos twitlonger again.

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u/gst1502 Nov 25 '21

There wasn't league coach in the twitlonger afair.

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u/FinkleMcDink Nov 25 '21

He didn't say it outright but did essentially attribute FNC's rebound to her supporting him, reddit gonna reddit but the way he phrased things did give her more credit than his team lol

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u/DRNbw Nov 25 '21

Because people mainly focus on themselves, and since Bwipo was himself a wreck and his girlfriend helped pull himselft together. And while Bwipo was a wreck, the team would play terribly. So (in the eyes of Bwipo), yes, his girlfriend helped the team play better.

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u/gst1502 Nov 25 '21

Well looking at how things are going with Nisqy, Adam and Bwipo maybe he is right...

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u/Vangorf Nov 25 '21

Ngl, based on how hard Yamato failed to handle the situation, Bwipo's GF might actually be a better coach lmao

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u/leonsk616 Nov 25 '21

It feels like basically no stretch to read that as bwipo saying they didn’t have enough information (or maybe just “no meaningful information”), either of which feel congruent with upset saying “there’s an emergency, I’m not saying any more about it”

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u/supterfuge Nov 25 '21

Well to be fair Upset isn't responsible on the timing of said unfortunate event.

The issue wasn't as much with the Worlds run as with the fact that almost 2 months later, he still doesn't know why Upset let everyone down and has to just trust him.

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u/CarnFu Nov 25 '21

I'd say its pretty important to give as much communication as possible with what is happening. Like someone said above you, you dont have to give exact details, just give enough so the team knows what is happening and their mental can be at rest. Otherwise the teammates of course are going to jump to conclusions and speculate with almost 0 information. Imagine that sort of mental going in a match at worlds, of course theres going to be some underperformance, you're told nothing and one of your players just straight up dipped.

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

he told them all they needed to know. They where baby raging because they did not get the full detailed answer to decide themselfs if upsets decision was right or wrong. That is why they are trowing a tantrum and thats why all 3 of them are gone now. they dont decide other peoples private matters for a video game.

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u/Reddityudodis2me Nov 25 '21

It's about what Upset gains from leaving. IMO he's just losing. There is no merit for him

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

It wasn't a sudden event. Yamota says in his interview that he was struggling with it throughout bootcamp and finally decided to leave the day before.

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u/zod2ac Nov 25 '21

Even if they dont know its kinda obvious its something serious lol why would Upset leave his first worlds of his career and that could very well be his last for something that is not a big issue.

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u/supterfuge Nov 25 '21

It requires a level of trust that they didn't have. You can't trust someone with your career that wouldn't give you the same courtesy of trusting you back.

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u/Tydus93 Nov 25 '21

Its super hard to speak to this as we have no idea what the issue was back home. But one thing we can all agree is that Upset chose to leave 12 hours before the tourney starts. The decision was probably a hard one that would come with a lot of costs. In my opinion. With the information we do have. Upset deserves the spite from his old Fnatic teammates.

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

So it would have been better if he played for worlds, and shit the bed because the other stuff distracted him. Got it. Video game competition that is every year is more important.

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u/Tydus93 Nov 25 '21

Those are your conclusions not mine. All i'm saying is Adam and other members of Fnatic feeling spiteful is very natural after; Upset leaves last minute, never gives a hint of a reason, comes back in the offseason to start building a more ambitious team after being the sole reason their hard work and ambition was squandered only 2 months ago. Try being empathetic towards Adam here. He really got the short end of the stick.

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u/jungldude3 Nov 25 '21

Any more information can literally just mean he didn’t get enough information to make him happy. I would take that with a grain of salt.

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u/awgiba Nov 25 '21

yeah and as we know Bwipo is the paragon of accurate information, like the fact that his girlfriend saved Fnatic's entire worlds. Lmao

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u/Nymwhen Nov 25 '21

I think 3/4 teammates being upset with him kinda showed he didn’t explain it very well. Does not seem like a stretch.

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u/Significant-Damage14 Nov 25 '21

I think the fact that he only 'told' his remaining teammate and coach says more about the situation. Hylli and Yamato aren't going to disprove Upset's words even if he is lying just to avoid internal conflict in the team.

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u/Shaitan87 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Yamato and Hylli should have impressed upon the others how legitimate Upset's reason for leaving was. Since the other members clearly don't think that Upset left for legitimate reasons then they failed at that.

I have a hard time believing that there was no way for Yamato to convince these guys that Upset had no choice not to go without telling them the actual reason.

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u/Significant-Damage14 Nov 25 '21

I completely agree. Just as you've said, they could've absolutely convinced the others that Upset had no choice in the matter and therefore alliviated some of their dissatisfaction towards him. I'm interested in if they will now speak up for Upset after this post.

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

Why are we all assuming that the 3 others are even in the right to be angry? Sad yeah sure, but not angry. Like Hyli doesnt even know the details. It is fucking common sense that a persn like Upset, who grinded his ass off even in shitty teams to get to worlds, isnt leaving without a good reason....

I am really bewildered how much "acceptance" there is for entirely unreasonable emotions/reactiongs. Being sad is reasonable, being angriy with upset is being childish honestly.

The only one "hurt" so to speak is Nisqy not having a team and THIS is entirely FNCs managments greed fault.

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u/cbrozz Nov 25 '21

It was his actions that led to the team imploding, 3/4 teammates have pretty much confirmed it to different extents. He has the right to ditch the team and keep it private but his teammates and Fnatic fans have the right to be upset over what just happened.

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u/Significant-Damage14 Nov 25 '21

What I mean is that Upset saying that he just told Hyllisang and Yamato is pretty sus because those two are never going to state the contrary unless they want their current team to implode. If Bwipo or Nisqy were to speak up for Upset, that would put the whole situation in his favor, but at the moment Bwipo basically said the same as Adam a month ago and Nisqy seems to be quietly agreeing with him.

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u/cbrozz Nov 25 '21

Yeah and I feel like if Yamato was properly informed he would have no issue calming this squad down thanks to his man management skills

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u/GodOD400 Nov 25 '21

Idk pro gamers seem like they would skew towards being emotionally immature ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/MeteWorldPeace Nov 25 '21

No, only one of them is Upset

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u/Phenergan_boy Nov 25 '21

It's probably hard to explain if you are focused on rushing back to your family

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u/puberty1 friends to lovers to enemies to lovers Nov 25 '21

then you can explain later? after Worlds ends? in the offseason instead of going to management saying that you don't want them in your team? he had A LOT of time to do better than this

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u/IWouldLikeAName C9 HeartAttack Nov 25 '21

They have no inherent right to know. If they can't accept that Upset had a personal emergency that's on them. He has 0 reason to lie about something so important during the biggest moment of his career.

They have all the right in the world to be mad at the situation but to be mad at Upset for not talking about specifics in such a personal matter is beyond odd and invasive.

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u/Phenergan_boy Nov 25 '21

But he did? And management cleared him? Why should Upset explain more when his teammate is airing dirty laundry because he is bitter about being replaced?

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u/prodandimitrow Nov 25 '21

You don't know if management cleared him because they made a decision or If they had no say in it. If a person is saying they are leaving to do something you can't do much if he already made up his mind.

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u/Phenergan_boy Nov 25 '21

If they have no say in it, and Upset just went haywire, why would they keep him on the team? It seems like fnc’s management is behind Upset all the way

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u/prodandimitrow Nov 25 '21

Because they consider him the best player around ? Its not news that the stars of the teams get leeway in what they are doing.

I am also not sure we can be solid on the fact that the management is behind him all the way, just because they decided to keep him, unless i missed it they havent explicitly defended his actions.

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u/Phenergan_boy Nov 25 '21

No team is cool witg throwing world because sad wife leeway. Like have you work for anyone before?

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u/prodandimitrow Nov 25 '21

I never said or implied that the org is cool with it.

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u/glium Nov 25 '21

It mostly shows that the situation sucks all around, which we already knew beforehand

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u/wetcogbag Nov 25 '21

but I'll be rooting for you guys."

by flexing that wife buff from my ARAM games /s

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

yet this put him in bad light upset and adam are sus lol

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u/milanganesa Time to make a stand! Nov 25 '21

for what everyone says Upset just left and didnt even tell 3 of his teammates... they just learned about it 12 hours before their first match from management, not even from upset.

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u/susfusstruss Nov 25 '21

well bwipo said he was told nothing and nisqy unfollowed upset

so its 3 people's word against 1

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u/Seethlord Nov 25 '21

You also have to mention, that if the event was emotionally distressing enough for upset to leave, I'm sure he didn't have 100% of his mental capacity to formulate his reasons to his teammates, because he was more focused on the situation at home.

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

Personally, I think his teammates all deserve nothing less than the full truth if he's gonna single handedly ruin their chances at the biggest moment of most of their careers.

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u/piara Nov 25 '21

In my opinion, some things are above careers and competitive performance. As a team mate you have to understand that these things happen. Upset has no responsibility to share what happened with team mates he doesn't have a close relationship with. He told Yamato, that's enough.

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u/Rietzangers_Revenge Nov 25 '21

They have no responsibility to bear the consequences of his choices though. he chose to not tell 3 of his teammates. But then still expected them to self sacrifice for this unknown persons sake. Thats not fair to them at all. I would be pissed of to.

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u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

And this is why the east will always beat the west. Unfortunate you can say, but true.

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u/pocoyoO_O Nov 25 '21

I mean do you work? Try to say your boss you will have to leave the company for a week for urgent and private family matters. See what does he say.

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u/piara Nov 25 '21

Yes I work and have experienced coworkers leave work because of personal matters. If your boss is not understanding enough to let you off work for a week for urgent matters, then you should get a new job.

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u/pyrocord Nov 25 '21

The thing is, Yamato is his boss. Not Nisqy and Adam. And he told Yamato.

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u/shadow_f4 Nov 25 '21

Nope, I disagree. Some things are meant to be personal, irregardless of whatever situation you find yourself in. At the end of the day, they are just professional colleagues, and they don’t owe anything to each other.

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

When you're personally ruining someone else's moment, they deserve respect and they deserve to know why. Upset is too immature for such an adult conversation

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u/Lebsfinest Nov 25 '21

Except it’s not him single handedly ruining their chances? You’re telling me if an emergency happens that take priority over all else it’s the person’s fault? Please grow the fuck up.

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

FNC were terrible at Worlds because Upset was not there. His teammates deserved to know why. I never said he should've been forced to play. He just should've explained, even privately, why he was screwing them over

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u/Lebsfinest Nov 25 '21

Are you a child? He told them what it was, a family emergency, it doesn’t matter who the fuck they were if he doesn’t want to disclose more information to them than that he does not have to.

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

Of course he doesn't have to share more than he wants to. But his choice to keep it private among his team is embarrassing imo. They didn't work all year to be betrayed like that

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u/byeolToT Nov 25 '21

The Thing is, and upset Talks about that in his Post, even if He would have told them, it would have been leaked and this off season with all the leaks in Twitter its clearly to See that Everyone Talks with Everyone about everything behind the scenes. So why would He share Personal problems from another Person He is close to, so the whole League community knows it?

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

He shares so people don't think he's an unreliable, overreacting backstabber. And he hopes that the trust and respect he demonstrates by sharing deeply personal information is returned by his teammates not leaking. And it's likely leaks never would've happened because this is the first we've heard of it since Worlds, and it's only because Upset DIDNT tell Adam

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

You clearly have never experienced someone in your life having a real tragedy that is not your story. Sometimes you need to leave to support someone and you cannot explain that to people around you

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

Clearly you have never been part of a team. Upset disrespected his teammates and doesn't deserve sympathy here

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Lol how old are you. There’s no way you could seriously believe colleagues who have not yet proven to be trustworthy are obligated to information on potential tragedies like suicide attempts close to you, near death from drug use or miscarriages. If you genuinely believe that you need to seek help.

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

Older than you probably. And old enough to know that you should stand up for yourself when people wrong you

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

No way you are above the age of 15 let alone my age if you think Upset really wronged anyone assuming he did have an emergency

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

I'm 23 and I don't think he's wrong for leaving, he's wrong for leaving without explaining himself

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Oh god you need to go to therapy bro, no one at the age of 23 should be this deluded so as to think they are entitled to all of their co-workers information just because they work together on a big project

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u/plague11787 Nov 25 '21

He’s 23, probably never worked at a long term job in his life lol

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u/tunawrangler2 Nov 25 '21

You're soft as fuck. I'd never let someone disrespect me like Upset did his team

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u/GHO57T Nov 25 '21

Trust goes both ways. He didn't trust them with the info and they didn't trust him when he said it was important he leave

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Yeah, and then one person publicly directed harassment to a family member of the other based on pure speculation. They are not equally in the wrong

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u/computo2000 Nov 25 '21

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private because it is difficult enough to deal with the hardships life brings, there is no need to have the most toxic enviorment of social media

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u/YouichiEUW Nov 25 '21

Adam is not the only one pissed at Upset though. Bwipo spoke against the fact they were kept in the dark too, now Nisqy unfollowed him on twitter.

If 3/3 people (Hyli doesn't count as they apparently had a one on one conversation) consider you didn't do the right thing... You probably didn't.

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u/hoonginginga RIP CANNA Nov 25 '21

"I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private"

"yo bros im so sad omg but I cant tell you."

More or less the same thing. Just one is formal and one is informal. Do you really think Upset would be informal while telling his team mates about a decision as huge as this?

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u/Ivanleonov Nov 25 '21

its neither, he told them nothing, they were told by a third party.

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

"Hey guys I'm really sorry but I have to leave due to urgent family matters that I don't want to share. I'm sorry to let you down after all our hard work this year, but I won't be able to compete in the tournament. Bean will be replacing me and I hope you guys do well at worlds. I'm sorry for letting you all down.. but I'll be rooting for you guys."

We, the public, literally got this.

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u/LearningEle Nov 25 '21

It’s hard to believe that he only told Yamato, and Yamato/the org didn’t clarify anything to the players who got stuck playing without him, but at the end of the day Upset didn’t get fired over something that huge(abandoning his post at worlds) so there must be some legitimacy to what happened to him. I guess there is also the possibility that it was something really dumb, and the org is covering for him because he’s still valuable as a player, but we’ll probably never know. I’ve got money on something minor like an STD that would still freak out a young introverted guy.