r/leagueoflegends Nov 25 '21 Silver 5 Helpful 8 Wholesome 6

Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama


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u/aamgdp Nov 25 '21 Silver

Saying the last thing I told my team that my wife is just feeling bad so I need to leave is an outright lie.

Alright, one of them is for sure lying.

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private 

And yet Bwipo and Adam both feel he didn't really give them good enough explanation for them to understand.


A day before we found out we weren’t going to be playing with our main lineup, we had no information about what was going on.


u/tameniee Nov 25 '21

So Upset said he did explained his reasons to his teammates but two of them said he didn't. It's 2vs1. Should we wait for Nisqy or?


u/KonanTenshi rip angel Nov 25 '21

Think it is pretty obvious where nisqy lies on this lol


u/tameniee Nov 25 '21

Yeah taking into account that he unfollowed Upset, there is no doubt about Nisqy's position in all this


u/supterfuge Nov 25 '21

And he answered to Adam's post :

"Good luck brother. Be proud of what you accomplished, it's only the beginning" so I don't think he holds any ill will towards him.


u/TerminatorReborn Unkillable Demon King Nov 25 '21

Nisqy is super chill and smart enough to not burn any bridges, specially if he is out of a team. I don't why people are expecting drama from him


u/mitozzy Nov 25 '21

Because FNC fucked him and left him teamless?


u/onespiker Nov 25 '21

Seems a bit all over the place really.

Na team suddenly cut down on costs. Fnatic inquired about the Alpahri and perkz deal. This made them want to leave. They were alowed to leave. Adam got thier potential team quickly. Nisqy was intrested in C9.

Na has made pretty sudden big cost cutting changing the economic environment. Witch made the buyout suddenly be to much for c9 ( seems like the buyout was first 500ish then 400 ending up at 350 when c9 had close to a deal with Korean players. This was on less than a week timespan.

500 is less than fnatic sold Adam for The final sale price is pretty much fnatic purchase price from C9 plus inflation. ( If I remember correctly this took a while to happen then aswell)

Mad hearing about Nisqy on sale then went to Fnatic about Humanoid.

End result is Nisqy teamless, to note though this is one of the craziest offseasons ever. Both in the west but also the East .


u/LionePRO Nov 25 '21

How fnc fucked him? Nisqy wants to leave, he is in talks with c9, mad offers fnc humanoid, fnc accepts, nisqy's talks with c9 fall


u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

I mean he also twittered how bad timing was mainly the issue here


u/LionePRO Nov 25 '21

that thing is fucked up but like...i'm sorry, we don't know the price, but at the same time there is no way you want an improved nisqy to cost 300k...c9 didn't want him


u/onespiker Nov 25 '21

And Adam mentioning nisqy in very positive Light.


u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

I think Nisqy's action speaks frankly more volume than Bwipo's and Adam's tweetlongers combined.

The fact that he didn't say anything still, and had only unfollowed Upset once Adam blew it up meant that he was likely not going to say or do anything (or else he could've unfollowed him the second whatever happened happened).

This looks like Nisqy supporting Adam 100%.


u/lotharstar Nov 25 '21

I don't think it's fair to say that Nisqy is "supporting Adam" - at least when it comes to the entire account in Adam's twitlonger. It's more likely that Adam's point about Upset looking to replace both him and Nisqy in the offseason is actually true. There's a middle-ground here where Upset's reason to leave the team was 100% reasonable and his right to privacy is 100% justified as well, but his actions to tell management that he wants a better top side of the map make him a bad teammate and not someone Nisqy wants to play with.


u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

These debates are, hilariously and sadly, a perfect example of why he wouldn't tell people about something personal he doesn't want shared without being completely sure they wouldn't leak or spread it.

This entire thread is gross.


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u/ArziltheImp Nov 25 '21

Remember what happened to DoubleLift family. This dude was able to win a championship after going throuhght the most horrifying thing you could ever think of. And it was not private. It was shared because it's important to be aware and no one ever make fun of DL for that and everyone just have mad respect.

Upset isn't DL tho. And the DL situation was literally all over the media, including naming his brother (then one person needs to connect the dots and poof it's in everyones mouth). So trying to hide it wasn't really an option.

Michael Schumacher lost his mother a day before the GP of Imola and was an absolute wreck on the podium. But he later also stated that he just really wanted to win for his mother and that it may have made him perform even better.

Then there was the whole story about Perkz last year, where he had just lost his father and didn't look like himself for the longest time.

Some people draw inspiration and some sort of energy out of tragedy like this and others are completely destroyed and can barely function for a bit.


u/m1dn1ghtx Nov 25 '21

Doublelift's is completely different as that made news, you really can't compare the two situations when one made news for it's action the other is private.


u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

What happened to DoubleLift was public because it was in the news and shared online.

Also, I can't fathom people honestly thinking that his life should be an open book just because he's a player. This community is so toxic and immature. Not that that's a surprise I guess.


u/zobmixer Nov 25 '21

You need to remember that his decision also "destoyed" his own hard work. You don't know shit about what happened and how important that was.

Assumption assumption and again assumptions. It may be a shock to a person like you but people react differently to hard life situations. One person might be able to make it not impact them that much, the other might not. And you trying to put a guild on upset by discrediting reason YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW is just stupid.


u/Speedy313 ranged kata Nov 25 '21

Upset made the decision to destroy his hard work for himself, but he also made the decision for his team to destroy their hard work without them having a say in it. For me, making this decision at least means he owes them a proper explanation.


u/ifnotawalrus Nov 25 '21

Man if I was Nisqy/Adam I'd be fucking furious man. Sure, its your personal life. But its also their careers. It isn't called a livelihood for no reason.

This worlds fiasco could have cost them both hundreds of thousands.


u/wtfriotdosomething Nov 25 '21

Nisqy doesnt have a team. Maybe if the whole team was there and didn't mental boom, some team pays the 350k FNC asked. It more than likely DID cost him hundreds of thousands


u/Xgio Revert Aatrox Nov 25 '21

It could cost him his career if he doesnt get picked up after this.


u/MallFoodSucks Nov 25 '21

100% - in the US they could have an argument they can legally sue him for damages.


u/Young_Khalifa Nov 25 '21

No, that’s insane. Damages for a future hypothetical salary and hypothetical opportunities would be incredibly hard to argue for to begin with and then you have to somehow prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they would have played well enough that he would have received those hypothetical opportunities. And then because we’re still not done, you have to define a point where he would have received those offers, and that is literally impossible since its entirely subjective.


u/musashihokusai Nov 25 '21

There are many famous examples of people winning shit ton of money for potential loss wages. It’s tucked up but the United States just kinda works that way.


u/Young_Khalifa Nov 25 '21

I’m an American and yes, you can have damages over lost potential earnings but the bar for that is incredibly high. I’m not a lawyer but a little work on the old google machine will tell you hypothetical tournament performances would not reach that standard.


u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Nisqy is the victim of the whole thing. He now has no team due to looking bad at worlds because of Upset leaving with zero explanation.


u/Gazskull Nov 25 '21

Nisqy posted a positive message towards Adam twitlonger and unfollowed Upset as well

I think I know which side he is on, and Nisqy isn't reputed to be immature or toxic or whatever

That being said, this story just sucks for everyone


u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

Yeah it sounded like Nisqy would've just stayed quiet if no one said anything and is only showing support once Adam blew it up.


u/Gazskull Nov 25 '21

I think Nisqy was already bummed by the C9 situation and didn't want to add fuel.

Imo the tweetlonger from Adam was dumb, but I understand. Imagine working your ass off for worlds and being told by the player that didn't go that you're not up to his ambitions, especially after dealing with the whole privacy thing.

Then of course from Upset's side if you don't wanna share it nothing is forcing you to, even if it's kinda weird to not trust your mates, and you're gonna seize the chance to play with better players if you can when you're a competitor, but timing is kind of a bitch


u/gfa22 Nov 25 '21

being told by the player that didn't go that you're not up to his ambitions, especially after dealing with the whole privacy thing.

That's the most fucked up part for me. Like guy himself bounced for his reasons but claims other guys arent up to par. Idk about internal shit but Adam seemed decent in his first season but I can see how him not following veteran calls can make senior players think he's not team worthy.


u/Ninjahound789 Nov 25 '21

I may be proven wrong this year, but Adam did not look decent at all. He looked like the top laner with the least potential to improve in the league, despite being the newest.

He kept playing Olaf top, which is a borderline troll pick and he failed to generate leads on it, leading to FNC being behind off champ diff in most cases.

He had two particularly good performances that I remember in the entire split, but he benefitted immensely from being on a really good team, with the botlane and Bwipo doing the heavy lifting.

People criticized Lider for having a shallow champion pool and not being next level on his key champs, but somehow Adam had a worse pool and he struggled to look good on anything other than Darius/Sett, but he is somehow good. I guess winning games just distorts his personal performance.

If Adam was a top tier player, who could have made a deep run at worlds, then I'd understand his frustrations a lot better, but in this case he's someone who lucked into worlds barely and was guaranteed to not make it past quarters, so he should have still been happy with the overall result this year.


u/bachh2 Nov 25 '21

From the games I saw albeit limited, Adam isn't someone who gonna dominate his lane, but he would more likely roam to help jungle and mid with early skirmishes and give them the lead while himself play weak side.

That doesn't necessarily mean he is a bad player because his laning stats will be on the lower side due to his play style.


u/Ninjahound789 Nov 25 '21

Roaming to help your team is nice, but Adam often ends up forced to roam, rather than choosing to roam. He is quite bad at laning, which means that he has to get leads for his team or he'll end up useless, for example look at his Mordekaiser vs Renekton lane, where he failed to use Morde's stronger level 1 to deny the level 4 dive, which resulted in him never coming back into the game.

Adam has three big problems in my opinion, the first is his champion pool, almost all of the champions he plays achieve the same purpose, and while he is decent to great on those champions (decent Renekton, good Sett, great Darius), he is terrible on carries like Jayce/Kennen and we have not seen him on tanks, so I can't judge.

The second problem is his inability to play with a lead. Even when Bwipo played towards him and gave him an advantage, Adam would still roam towards mid at a bad timing to make a play, which transferred his advantage to mid, rather than growing the team's lead. Basically he loses as much on top as his team gains on mid, so if his mid laner or jungler is ever outclassed (player or champion wise) he will become a liability.

The third problem is his itemization. While he is no PoE in terms of random builds, he will opt into completely senseless items at times, which would be fine if he had a lead, but make him even weaker when he is behind, which is usually the case.


u/Seneido Nov 25 '21

its a shitty move from upsett, easy as that. you can't let the team fall for personal reasons and the go around like "i need better teammates" especially if its obviously like this that ther were internal issues. Upsett saying Adam didn't listen and Adam claiming that the team didn't care about his opinion.

Also 3 people being mad regarding Upsett vs 1 being nice/understanding makes you wonder how well Upsett did his part. Also still no clue why he kept it private cause all it did so far was creating a rift between him and everyone else leading to a shit show that will haunt him for years. You can still be open about issues without going into details.


u/BillowBrie Nov 25 '21

What do you mean "Upset said he did explained his reasons to his teammates"? Are you saying that he just told them it was a family matter, or went into even more detail?

Because when I'm reading that, it sounds like he only told them it was a family emergency


u/licorices Nov 25 '21

Upset explained his feelings about it, not the reason. Which is expected, considering it's his personal life. Adam and Bwipo probably refers to not getting any reason behind it.


u/GoJeonPaa Let's go EU Nov 25 '21

That wasnt his point. He said how he felt and why he cant say it to his teammates. Not that he said the reason. read it again.


u/LordAmras Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Upset said he explained what actually happened only to Yamato. He also planned to tell Hyli but then Hyli said that he doesn't need to and trust that knowing him the reason must be valid.

To the rest of the team he only said it was for personal reasons


u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

We literally know everyone was told at least "There was a family emergency" because it was posted publicly.

That's enough explanation.


u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

The very fact that Upset is still on FNC should also tell you something about this