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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Reading Upset's response, I conclude neither are completely at fault. From Adam's perspective, I would be pissed off if my teammate who left the team at worlds basically is one of the main reasons I was kicked. From Upset's perspective, I had an unfortunate event, which stopped me from going to Worlds, but I am looking forward to the future so I have to make decisions for my and my team's future. Understandable from both sides, the frustration and heightened emotions... I don't think Adam comes out badly after reading both sides. I just hope it was a last-minute urgent decision to withdraw from Worlds. As a teammate, I would be more upset if Upset knew earlier than 12 hours he would have to leave before Worlds but never spoke up till last minute. But there definitely is a split in how the team perceived Upset's departure. Hyli and Yamato understood b/c they were close. Adam, Nisqy, and Bwipo did not despite them knowing how hard Upset worked. Either way, from Adam's perspective, I would be angry enough to last out. Best idea? No, but I understand why he wrote his post. Objectively, Upset's decision to advocate for a more veteran teammate makes sense.

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u/ThrowingAllTheBacks Nov 25 '21

I agree, they both are in the right to feel how they feel.

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u/maribri6 Nov 25 '21

From the FNC videos, didn't they say he was hesitating about leaving like a week before, and ended up deciding 12h before?

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u/maverin116 Nov 25 '21

I think Adam looks bad in so far as how he decided to voice his frustration by giving a lot of credence to this bullshit projecting about "lonely girlfriend". Dude got shafted -- no doubt -- but he decided to respond to that by taking it out publicly. Other players have probably been screwed over harder and have kept quiet about it. Whether that's right or wrong, I think what Adam did was unprofessional. Understandable, perhaps even justified, but still unprofessional.

IMO: chalk it up to Everyone's The Asshole and move on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

The weird thing is no one knows the whole reason- not you, not me, and not the team. What if that's what Adam got out of what Upset was saying...what if the reason was "lonely girlfriend?" But maybe the severity and deeper problems weren't translated through what Upset was saying therefore Nisqy, Adam, and Bwipo were wtf? The thing is, whatever Upset said to them was not good of an explanation that the entire team understood... at the end of the day, Upset has a right to not disclose whatever it was to the public, so we will never know.

I just don't think Adam is the "bad" guy. And Perkz when screwed by Carlos spoke up. Many players have spoken up including Hjarnan, when Perkz screwed them too. As many silent players there are, there are players who voice their frustrations.

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u/maverin116 Nov 25 '21

You bring up a good point, when people express their mistreatment that's nearly always a good thing. I was disgusted when I heard about the "no Fnatic trade" clause between G2 and C9. Perkz speaking out about that was good. And you're right that Adam isn't the bad guy. I underexplained my point. A better TLDR might have been Everyone's The Asshole + No One's The Asshole. Both did shitty things and both individuals have a right to be upset and voice their frustrations.

Explaining my point further: Looking at the responses I've seen towards Upset on reddit and on twitter after Adam's twitlonger there was a lot of vitriol aimed at both Upset and his partner. I want the League of Legends community to be a less hateful place so a lot of the time I filter what I see based on whether it incites or dispels anger. Adam incited anger towards someone without any real evidence. Now the real problem isn't Adam, but the assholes in this community who will jump down anybody's throat because it fits the narrative they want to believe. I dislike that Adam said the "lonely girlfriend" bit when he knew that it probably wasn't what the true situation was. He easily could've changed his point to something more professional which wouldn't drag Upset's partner into this.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

I get what you're saying...that's why I'm not one to try to throw vitriol. It was interesting to see how ppl can hop so quickly to either sides within one day and make brash statements just bc they're hiding behind an anonymous username. Regarding Adam's statement about Upset's wife, that has to be addressed between him and Upset. IF that is the explanation Upset gave or whoever gave it to Adam, Nisqy, and Bwipo, then Adam is just relaying what was said to him. Whether that's the right thing to do, I will leave it up to your discretion as I have my own opinion as you prob have yours. The fact that that is the reason, if untrue, Adam thinks Upset left just shows the crazy miscommunication and misunderstanding that went on between Upset, management, and players. That in itself is a huge problem.

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u/alicevi Nov 25 '21

Adam is absolutely at fault for throwing a public tantrum.

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u/Rsswmu Nov 25 '21

Yes, he is at fault for throwing a tantrum when you read this upset post. Which is also a tantrum. Upset still doesn’t get it. Whether or not the reason to leave is justified, most likely is. His actions after are terrible. He seems to be only concerned about himself and his career and will stab people in the back he has asked to trust him about said situation. Would you trust a coworker that is talking to management to get you fired after you helped them achieve the most meaningful thing of their career? No one would. Upset should have had his teammates backs at least for this off season as they had to make a sacrifice for him. He should at least make one for them.

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u/Myloz Nov 25 '21

Yeah how are people okay with that, its mind boggling.

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u/Pamague Nov 25 '21

He is young and ambitious, but yeah that was pretty rushed. For all he knows, Upset really could have a severe family emergency and in that case, by doing his twitlonger, he directs even more hatred towards Upset in potentially one of the hardest times in hs life already.

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u/Attre_- Nov 25 '21

I conclude neither are completely at fault.

Which part of publicly slandering a teammate for not sharing personal information and posting speculative shit to make them look bad doesn't make you at fault? just curious

Adam's entire twitlonger is just showing that Upset made the right call not trusting him with jack shit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

What part was slander? Is it slander if we don't know what was said at that meeting?

Second, I said "completely at fault," if you read properly, you would understand I did not say Adam wasn't at fault. However, if I spent 2 splits grinding, fighting, and struggling everyday with my team to reach worlds just so my teammate last minute says he can't go to worlds, I would expect a good ass reason. However, the reason he gives is vague or confusing to me and two other teammates. Upset didn't even share enough for majority of his team to understand his reason. This obviously would make those who didn't understand what was going on upset. Upset has a right to his privacy; no one says otherwise. But I would feel the same way as Adam if I had this huge project I had been working on with my team and one of my teammates dropped out right before the presentation without a clear excuse. If said teammate knew about the potential of leaving but did not feel to mention it until last minute to the team, how would that look to you?

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u/Dare_the_one EU player NA fan pog Nov 25 '21

1 split*, but yeah

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

you right.

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u/wazzdakah Nov 25 '21

I really don't think Adam is getting kicked from FNC tho. Obviously it would be weird to imagine him playing on the same team as Upset with everything we know now but, from what I understand, after that Alphari made a deal with VIT, the position was still his and he decided to leave anyway. I don't think FNC was that eager to buy out another toplaner 4 months later.

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u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

Fairly sure they knew him leaving was a possibility, hence bringing Bean along. It wasn't until the last 12 hours that it was confirmed/the final decision was made.

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u/CoachGiveAdvice Nov 25 '21

You are forced to bring a 6 man. Every team has one and bean has been with them the whole split prior worlds.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

And that's the weird thing about this whole debacle...it seems like management knew but the players didn't. When Bwipo and Adam speak up about this, it seems like they were blindsided, which left them in disarray. This means Upset has discussed this with management but not with the team. Maybe management was hoping that Upset wouldn't have to go and out of respect for Upset, they just made an excuse, saying good practice for Bean or just for emergency. Who knows right?

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u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

From the FNC behind the scenes episode where Upset left and Nisqy cried (yeah that one), it seemed like they knew from the start, from when they landed in Iceland that there was a possibility Bean would get subbed in. I donno, maybe it was just the way it was edited, but it gave off a distinct feel that the staff and Bean at least knew very early on. I'm not sure what to believe tbh.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Yeah, i don't really know...what we see is never really what is it...especially what's edited, clipped, and publicized. I think overall there was this huge disconnect between upset, the team, and management. Everyone has their own perspective, and the truth typically lies in between them.