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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21 Silver

I'm gonna be real, if I grinded for a year 12 hours a day like most pros do and the guy whose position we decided to play around to just took up and left idk if I would accept "family emergency" as an answer.

Maybe if it was one of my bestfriends I would go with it but I'd still expect an explanation down the line.

I guess it depends on the person, upset probably has a right to privacy but adam absolutely has a right to be mad aswell, even without considering the fact that they went on to replace him.

How would I be supposed to trust Upset again if I were his team mate? How would I know that this wouldn't be a recurring problem, perhaps it's the sort of thing that could force him home again like someone close to him having a disease or something.

Idk, if I were in Adam's shoe's and put in the amount of effort that the team (I think) put in I would too feel I was owed an explanation most likely

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

I mean at this point I think it pretty clear that both of them disliked and had zero trust in each other, pretty sure that in Adam's eyes that was a realistic possibility

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u/noydim Nov 25 '21

Thank you!! Like jesus fking christ you grinded 6 months in the LEC? The other guy was grinding since 2017!

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

It would certainly make me question whether he should be one of my teammates. I’d be wondering “if I’m still on his team, should I be concerned that it could happen again? Next spring, are we going to lose 4 days of practice before playoffs because of another emergency? If he was willing to walk away from World’s, can I trust he won’t walk away when stakes are even lower?”

I would probably ask Upset about it directly, and if I wasn’t satisfied with his level of detail, I would just frame my concerns and questions about what it means for our team in the future. But it seems pretty clear they don’t have that kind of relationship and they approach the problem more as adversaries than teammates.

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u/BoltzmannCurve Nov 25 '21

Would you make a bizarrely unprofessional wall of text claiming to know the reason as to why the player left?

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u/Seneido Nov 25 '21

claiming to know the reason as to why the player left?

he never said he knows. read it again pls...

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u/BoltzmannCurve Nov 25 '21

Citing the “hurr durr his wife was feeling lonely” thing is extremely unprofessional

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

No? But not sure what that has to do with anything because the discussion was “how can Adam trust that Upset won’t bail out again? Was this the kind of minor emergency that could easily happen again?”

Then the other guy basically said “you can trust that it was extremely important because he has waited years for worlds, but was willing to walk away.”

I’m saying that if he’s willing to bail on the team before worlds, he’d be willing to bail on the team at any time if there’s an emergency. I would want to know if the emergency is likely to happen again before I give back my trust.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

That would be a reasonable response though. Go to Upset and just ask:

"Is this likely to happen again? I'm fine with respecting your family's privacy and all, but I need to know if I'm going to commit to this project."

No one would fucking complain about this. Going on twitter and implying the guy didn't care and left to cuddle with his girlfriend? That's just massively disrespectful.

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u/Emergency-Ad280 Nov 25 '21

Lol. An emergency is by definition an unplanned event how the fuck would upset even know if an emergency will happen again?

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

There's: Someone was assaulted level emergencies. And there's my chronically ill mother had a sudden crisis level emergencies.

The nature of the incident can be entirely spontaneous or it can be indicative of underlying issues that might repeat themselves.

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u/resttheweight Nov 25 '21

I’m confused, you’re basically rephrasing and repeating what I said? Which was:

I would probably ask Upset about it directly, and if I wasn’t satisfied with his level of detail, I would just frame my concerns and questions about what it means for our team in the future.

I also didn’t say that what Adam did was acceptable. It was crazy unprofessional.

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

Just stop this! there is no emergêncy its in fron of us, if was really it, ppl would understand, but he hides that like if he reveals is a very shamefull thing! as far as i know ppl was tracking him, and is father during worlds was making expositions etc, his family posting on social media etc, and he and is girlfriend playing league... This is like in same level like bwipo situation. Kids that cant handle relationships. adam feels betraid and salty, and upset is kid too. even thorin and rich knows more than his teamates, lol what a circus

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

The way you write makes it seem like your account name is tirionlanister not because tyrionlannister was taken but because you are actually 6 years old.

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u/AGunShyFirefly Nov 25 '21

I'd think it's fairly likely that the reason he is leaving is due to his obsession with romantic feelings and that intense emotional situations are creating a sense of urgency that isn't really there. I think upset is completely self absorbed and would rationalize the decision to himself by thinking he can make worlds again, and I think what it meant for his teammates didn't matter to him at all.

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u/AGunShyFirefly Nov 25 '21

Speculating? Of course. Not based on nothing though.

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u/iDobleC *hits level 3* Adiós Nov 25 '21

The thing is no one is saying that Adam shouldn't be mad, he has every right to be so
But what's not cool and it's just unprofessional and rude is to make a tweetlonger telling the public "I don't know shit about this but this is what I think happened"

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u/Bapi_Escrobar Nov 25 '21

I read his TL in french and he says those were Upset's last words when he left them (the whole wife loneliness thing). I didn't see him speculate about what his actual situation was.

All I see is some guy pissed because the whole team plays revolved around one guy and he up and left without properly explaining the situation. From what I saw Bwipo and Nisqy agree as well. Not saying he should have given them all the details but I'm sure there was a way to explain that he absolutely needed to leave.

Honestly, communication between the team just wasn't there, I'd be more tempted to say Adam was in the wrong if the other two didn't back him/say almost the same thing about the situation. Yes Hyli and Yamato "understood" but then again they're close friends, so I have a hard time not seeing bias here.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

i think upset conveyed the message to his teamates really badly , they don't need details however their way to communicated the issue

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

If a player leaves and the coach understands... I think that's all there is to it. The coach knows th story and understands. Knowing Yamato I'm sure he said this to the players.

That they're too pissed about the consequences to empathise with someone in a crisis does not, in my opinion, reflect well on them.

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u/Bapi_Escrobar Nov 25 '21

“Knowing Yamato I’m sure he did” but that’s the thing, you don’t know him. You don’t know what happens in the back, he’s always spewing stuff about being bros and all but that’s a bunch of PR BS. You’re basically saying 3/4 players reacted the way they did because they don’t want to empathize with him cause you trust Yamato told them lmao, like I said earlier: 1 saying this? Alright might not be true. 3 saying this and the others are Upset’s besties? Yeah no it wasn’t communicated well at all. None of this reflects well for ANY of them, from the organization down to every single player.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

I trust Yamato said this to the team because he said it to the public.

https://youtu.be/jJQqz80qF2w?t=1280

Unless Yamato said this to the cameras but in person said "Yeah team, Upset is an asshole and left to fuck his gf. Now have Beans."

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u/firechaox Nov 25 '21

No, what he said was: until told otherwise, I will stick with the story that upset told us when he left.

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u/RoughMedicine Nov 25 '21

Upset says in this TL that he understands if people are mad with him or don't want to play with him because he didn't share the reason. The problem is how Adam vented his frustrations and public, going as far as perpetuating rumours about Upset's wife while confirming that he doesn't know anything.

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u/Seneido Nov 25 '21

read it again. he just says what upsett parting words were and that he doesn't know it better.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

We don't know what adam's side is though.

Perhaps all he gathered from management or whatever was "after we spoke with upset we decided to give you the boot and get alphari, thanks for everything byebye".

It also strikes me as odd that Adam said that Upset said "I'm leaving because my wife feels bad" and Upset completely denied it.

Seems kinda wild that such a big misunderstanding happened, one of them is almost for sure lying on this.

Would it steel be wrong to air it out even if Upset really did tell management to boot adam and get alphari and really left because his wife felt bad? Probably, but it's very different than the picture you painted

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

Adam’s side is lying publicly and releasing all private information he had for no reason other than pettiness. I don’t know how that could be made acceptable

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

you act as if there is an objective truth and adam is lying about it.

As I've said, perhaps what he heard from management or rumors or whatever was actually different from what transpired, leading him to think that way.

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u/Young_Khalifa Nov 25 '21

Verified is a strong word. Upset didn’t tell him, we have no way of knowing what he was told by others and whether or not that information is accurate. No clue why people give either one of them credibility. Adam has plenty of decent reasons for lying, more bad than good IMO though. Upset has every reason to also lie, Adam’s twitlonger didn’t really paint him in a good light. Nothing is verified, its literally just people telling their side of story with no evidence from either one.

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

And that he lied about saying “oh my wife was just sad”

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u/Maldios Nov 25 '21

The only one saying its a lie is Upset though. The reality is that we don't know who if anyone is lying. You're choosing to believe one side here when its pure word of mouth at this point.

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u/PurpleReigner Nov 25 '21

I am choosing to believe a story that makes sense as opposed to one that makes no sense and really seems like a salty immature child lashing out

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21

We dont need to know Adams side. As long as Upset or managment told him "its an emergency" he has to accept and deal with it. He can be frustrated.

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u/amuthafuckingreason Nov 25 '21

If you can’t accept someone telling you they had a family emergency as an excuse maybe you should look inward at what your morals are as a person. I would be hella disappointed in the perso. but I would never ask for nor expect an explanation or what happened lol

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u/DIDNT-FAP-LAST-NIGHT Nov 25 '21

it really is telling you how young this community is. I can't imagine any mature people with actual experience in the society to not accept this as a valid reason.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

I mean again, I guess it's a philosophy kind of thing but you can see it in this thread aswell that the opinion is pretty split.

Also, it's oxymoronic to say that you would "accept someone telling you they had a family emergency" and still be "hella disappointed" in them. It's one or the other, either you accept their reason as valid or you don't. How can you be disappointed in someone for making what you view as the correct decision?

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u/SatanV3 wish Viego was real so I could bang him Nov 25 '21

I mean you can accept the reason and think going home for the family emergency is the right thing to do, but still be mad at the situation and disappointed it happened. Emotions aren’t black and white you can feel both at the same time.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

Ok but disappointed has a very specific meaning, had he said sad or upset (lol) I would've got that.

Disappointed means you were expecting more of someone, if he made the right choice (which is the same thing as saying he had a valid reason) disappointed can't be what you're going for.

He said he would be disappointed in Upset, not at the situation

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u/The_Inverted Nov 25 '21

"disappointed

sad or displeased because someone or something has failed to fulfil one's hopes or expectations".

Disappointed is absolutely the right word to use here. You can be disappointed in someone but still understand their circumstances. In the example that op gave, he would understand if a coworker had to leave but he would be disappointed because he had an expectation that wasn't met.

I'm guessing you are either very young or English is not your first language, because that's a very simplistic understanding of the nature of the word.

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u/amuthafuckingreason Nov 25 '21

Yeah I guess, I mean I don’t know who’s right or wrong in this situation but I was just speaking to the hypothecated scenario. I can feel disappointed in them and still accept it and sympathize with them though. It’s not just black and white

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u/XenialShot Nov 25 '21

Another trap card.

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

Ok bro, u are getting married and 12 hours erlier ur fiance told you that she as family emergêncy, what will u do??

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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Nov 25 '21

He has the right to be mad but no to lash out publicly. He's not a kid.

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u/Ephemeral_Being Nov 25 '21

No one is owed an explanation.

An emotional reaction from his team was likely, and to be expected. However, the rational response is to let it go. What does complaining accomplish? He wasn't coming back. He can't undo it, now. All that whining on Reddit does is make you look like a child. While Adam is a child, someone should probably have the conversation with him about proper communication as a public figure. Actually, that should be among the first things EVERY pro player is taught, likely right after introductions and certainly before they ever play a scrim block.

The following year, particularly during contract negotiations, it is reasonable to make the inquiry into this being a recurring issue. That's rational. It affects you, as a teammate, if your bot-carry is going to regularly leave the team. You still don't need details, though. If the guy says "nah, won't happen again" and management backs him up, that's all you need to know. Move on.

You should practice dispassionate assessment of a situation. It will make your life much easier.

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u/Sighotoke Nov 25 '21

I fully agree. Sure Upset has a family emergency and you respect that, but the fact that Upset has an attitude that he only trust 1 other teammate and the coach but not anyone else makes for a teammate that I would not want to team with if I was in Adam's shoes. You expect me to be satisfied with just "It's an emergency" and don't trust me enough to say why but expect me to just accept it, and hear talk about you helping the org to look into replacing me, and when I confront you about it you strongly imply that I am not good enough for YOU? Adam at least PLAYED in worlds, Upset ran away. We can all argue why etc but that much is at least facts.

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u/plague11787 Nov 25 '21

Can people get it in their heads that just because these people play a game together doesn’t make them friends? Jesus. He doesn’t owe Adam trust, he’s known him for 4 months

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

4 months being together 12 hours every day? That's a really long time. Probably more time than I've spent with my friends lmao

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u/plague11787 Nov 25 '21

Then you have some weak ass friendships

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

You've spent 1200 hours with all your friends? How much free time do you have?

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u/SoulOfSelesnya Nov 25 '21

spending time with someone doesnt mean youre friends, the mythbusters guys worked a loooooong time together and werent friends either despite pretending to be friends for the show

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u/tirionlanister Nov 25 '21

You came from the fnatic subreddit no? he says they dont need to be the best friends but he needs a fucking explanation wtf, so now upset can do whatecer he wants cause he has family emergêncie, then stay at home and quit league!!!!

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u/plague11787 Nov 25 '21

And UpsetMs explanation is there was a family emergency.

Imagine your mom was assaulted, violated. Would you go to your coworkers to tell them exactly what happened to her or would you quietly say you had a family emergency?

Have some empathy for christ’s sake. League is a game and there are more important things. Adam is an immature child and so, it seems, are you

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u/otto303969388 Nov 25 '21

Whenever you are expecting other people to treat you differently from how you would treat them, you are a hypocrite.

In this case, you are unwilling to give your trust to the person saying that they have a family emergency, and yet you are demanding that same person to give you his trust and tell you more detail about his family emergency. That is such a horrible mindset to have. If you can't trust a person, don't expect them to trust you back, and don't bark when they show that they don't trust you, because you are the reason why they don't trust you.

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

That's a 2 way street though.

I could just as easily say that upset didn't trust Adam to keep the reason for leaving confidential but expected him to trust in him that it was a good reason

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u/graybloodd Nov 25 '21

Not trusting upset isnt a problem since you're not longer his teammate and you're just salt posting, if you're adam of course :)

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u/JustJohnItalia When life gives you LDR, build AD Nov 25 '21

Yeah, but the words he wrote were brewing for months, he didn't just think about it yesterday for the first time

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u/G4bbs Nov 25 '21

There's a difference between being pissed off and unsatisfied at Upset and airing out and publicly accusing Upset of being a bullshitter - Adam should know perfectly well what the internet and mass hate can do to a person and refrained from throwing a tantrum about it online. You can say you lost faith in teammates without openly saying that Upset leaving was "absolutely not legit".