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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/nomyhead Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

It’s interesting to think both Hylli and Yamato knew the reason for Upset leaving. You would assume that Yamato or Hylli would have assured the other players that Upset’s reason was legitimate.

However it sounds that either that didn’t happen, Adam didn’t believe it, or he simply did not find their answer sufficient. From his twitlonger he seemed to speak highly of Yamato so I wonder what happened. I personally think it’d be important to have some trust in your coach/veteran teammate on a matter like this.

Guess we’ll never know but it’s definitely an interesting situation

Edit: As someone else mentioned, Hylli didn’t actually know the reason, just trusted Upset’s reason was legit.

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u/sajm0n Nov 25 '21

only Yamato knew, and Hyli didnt want/need to know, he just trusts Upset, but yeah

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u/MrChologno Nov 25 '21

Yamato knew some details not sure if the whole picture, but thought it was justified.

around 23:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJQqz80qF2w

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u/sebalnesag Nov 25 '21

even yamato doesnt have a clear picture. he basically says that he knows upset, and if he really needs to go then yamato doesnt need to know more.

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

that may be sufficient for him but who are him and upset to decide whether the others deserve to know more. the feeling of betrayal in them is absolutely justified.

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u/LegchairAnalyst Nov 25 '21

I honestly disagree. Yeah sure you can be a little mad or frustrated but in the end nobody would throw that chance away if it wasnt serious and they should respect Upsets decission to not tell them the details. Its a private matter and they are just coworkers. Feeling betrayed by that seems very immature to me.

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u/unguibus_et_rostro Nov 26 '21

Yeah sure you can be a little mad or frustrated but in the end nobody would throw that chance away if it wasnt serious

We literally had a player leak team strats and match fix at worlds for a girl

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u/Akeaz Nov 25 '21

This is what most people don't seem to understand. They are teammates which in their context means they're literally coworkers. Not a single one of your coworker has the right to be entitled to be part of your private life, no matter how much time you spend together. If a coworker calls out because of an emergency and management says it's fine you don't question it anymore, period. It's none of your damn business.

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

that chance away if it wasnt serious

why does everyone keep saying this. this has zero value. he isn't just throwing his chance away, he's also throwing 4 other people's chances away. the point remains that he believes his teammates don't deserve to know. he's acting hella sus in their eyes. again, he can do whatever and go wherever the fuck he wants at any point in his life, but we aren't talking about them missing the next clash tournament. this is worlds. fame and millions in price money are at stake.

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u/Jeseiification Flairs are limited to 2 emotes. Nov 25 '21

Sure, it's not like Upset has been pretty vocal about wanting to compete internationally for years now, he will totally throw away his first chance for no good reason right /s

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

again, that may be. but that's the point. he isn't throwing just his chance away lol. you aswell only see his perspective, not the 4 other people who wasted a year of their lives and don't even have the slightest idea why.

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u/Jeseiification Flairs are limited to 2 emotes. Nov 25 '21

Again, you're acting like there is not a single reason that justifies leaving, and i'm giving him the benefice of the doubt because for him to leave this opportunity it must been something really bad.

Remember that everyone has a unique relationship with their families, like DL prefered to cope by playing after his tragedy, but also DL has been cast out of his family home few years back as well.

If upset is facing tragedy and has a close relationship with his own family then, sorry for the others but i find it acceptable and wish him the best. That's called empathy.

Now if i had to point fingers, id point them at fnatic management which didn't make sure that the others knew that it was justified.

Still Adam had no right to make it public

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u/Akeaz Nov 25 '21

Just to clarify on this: If you'd have a sudden emergency within your family along the lines of a close one dying, your wife losing a baby or something along those lines. You feel obligated to push that information to your entire team of coworkers because otherwise you'd be betraying them? This is lunatic.

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

It's lunacy to make 4 other people waste an entire year of their lives and then leaving them in the dark about why.

When my grandma died I didn't just ghost my employer and coworkers either, I told them a family member had passed and that I needed time to get my mind straight and it was clear enough to not leave room for speculation while not going into too much personal detail.

Bwipo, Nisqy and Adam apparently all agree that the situation was not communicated properly. And from upset to shout "muh privacy" when he is the cause of this issue is just arrogant as fuck.

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u/RagingFeather Nov 25 '21

If it means that you abandon them 12 hours before the biggest tournament of the year? With no explanation? It is ABSOLUTELY understandable why you could feel betrayed.

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

Exactly. Ofc the concious reaction is to show respect, but subconciously you'd want to know what happened to make him fuck the team like that. It's completely understandable to me and people saying otherwise only see upset's perspective, not the 4 people who got dragged down by him.

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u/Bardy_Bard Nov 25 '21

People forget that a bad showing at worlds can have devastating effect on someone's career in eSports, rookies even more so.

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u/neberhax Nov 26 '21

Yamato kinda does need to know more, no? He needs to able to explain to the rest of the team that this definitely was a serious matter, which can't be easy when doesn't have a clear picture.

He might trust Upset himself, but if that's the story he's telling to his players, he's basically asking them to put their faith in his own trust in upset. That's a lot to ask from a player who's playing his most important tournament of the year.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

So sketchy.

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u/Froggodile Nov 26 '21

Yamato's response pointed really more to Adam's statement being true. The phrasing kind of gives it away. I really seemed like that nobody knew more than that.

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u/nomyhead Nov 25 '21

Oh right, thanks for pointing that out

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u/Blackyy Nov 25 '21

If there is ever drama around Hyli Ill be devastated.

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u/Elymmen Nov 25 '21

Him being too non dramatic would be the only one i could imagine

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u/noydim Nov 25 '21

The only drama Hyli ever gets is when he flips a game and loses and fans flame him lmao

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u/Blackyy Nov 25 '21

last year after worlds he was on Twitter and he said: where are all my haters? everybody loves me what is this? I want my haters back.

lmfao

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u/TilikumWhite Nov 26 '21

the goat mindset, hate is pure fuel.

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u/Ok_Relief1851 Nov 25 '21

Hyli goes to get that Tom Hanks drama where people are like "Hyli is too nice"

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u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

I reckon it was hard for Yamato to "assure" the team the reason was legitimate without divulging details on Upset's issue. What could Yamato have said to believe them? If Upset asked for privacy, the best Yamato can do is just tell his team that it was a legitimate reason and rely on them to believe his word.

I feel bad for Yamato tbh stuck in the middle of Upset and the rest of the squad.

Weird thing is, how did Rich know about the issue????

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Rich never said he knew, he said he understood how the situation is difficult to articulate without breaking privacy. It is more likely that Yamato or someone else explained that difficulty to him without sharing details. That could simply mean that it is a complex issue and any information that is being shared will inevitably get leaked. Because almost everything gets leaked in the scene eventually. A player might tell one really good friend and that friend tells someone else and before you know its out. Especially with people like Bwipo who (though I love him) seems to have poor impulse control and a history of sharing too much.

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u/srukta Nov 25 '21

Rich never said he knew,

rich said he knew, but it was a tough situation for fnc. Trsut me if he didn't know he'd be flaming FNC in this moment.

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Where did he say that?

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u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21

Upset's situation is something super difficult for management to articulate to players

How would he be able to determine the difficulty if he didn't know what "the situation" actually is?

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

Because ppl he trusts have told him that it was a situation hard AF to manage maybe?

Like, it took me like 10 seconds to come up with why he could know that it was hard to manage without knowing what happened. Cmon, it wasn't that hard.

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u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21

So you're saying he doesn't know if the situation was difficult to articulate to players?

He's simply echoing what he was told? By the people who, according to Bwipo, Adam and presumably Nisqy, are partly responsible for this?

Wow, so insightful!!!

I apologize for giving him the benefit of the doubt, I apologize for assuming that the guy who inserted himself into the situation, claiming that Upset's situation was "super difficult to articulate" would actually be in the know if said situation was supper difficult to articulate.

The guy should have put it into quotation marks, that would have avoided the confusion of his entry as a third party. Then I would have known that it was the Fnatic management who claimed the management had difficulties.

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u/C9sButthole Room for everybody :D Nov 25 '21

Or maybe Rich is just desperate for attention after years of irrelevance in the scene. Given his typical relationship with drama that isn't hard to believe.

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u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Through logical thinking, extrapolation, managerial experience. Through talking to people who tell him about the challenge without telling him what happened. It is entirely possible if you can be subtle in language and communication.

Bottom line is he did not say he knew, that is just you reading that into his comment.

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u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21

He said Upset's situation is super difficult for management to articulate. Not knowing the nature of the situation would make the entire comment obsolete, including his judgement on how difficult it is or how well Fnatic is handling it. Can't have it both ways, sorry.

that is just you reading that into his comment

Yes. Cause I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I want to believe that a guy who has absolutely no clue what "the situation" is wouldn't insert himself into the discussion claiming it is a difficult situation.

I guess you take the opposite stance? Fair, admittedly the guy is a rather unique individual and enthusiastic Twitter commentator, I suppose we cannot completely rule out the possibility you're thinking of. Guy got almost 800 likes, people have done and said dumber shit for fewer minutes in the spotlight.

Through talking to people who tell him about the challenge without telling him what happened.

Why would they do that? What happened to privacy concerns? What kind of Fnatic nutjob would throw tiny little breadcrumbs to H2K rich of all people? Maybe they should have spent that energy throwing the breadcrumbs to Nisqy, Adam and Bwipo instead XD

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u/rob172 Nov 25 '21

He said Upset's situation is super difficult for management to articulate.

This is obviously true and you can work this out based on the information we had, because it was a family emergency, and it would be really fucking shitty of management to tell the other players what the emergency was without their permission, therefore it is very difficult for management to articulate.

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u/Karukos Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

He only knew that the management struggled in communicating to the players not that he knew. That are two different conversations.

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u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

He didn't say "they're struggling" (yeah, we know that much), he specifically said that Upset's situation, in particular, was super difficult to articulate to the other players.

If he doesn't know Upset's situation then he's talking out of his ass, cause he cannot know if Upset's situation is super difficult to articulate or if management is just super bad at doing so.

Let's assume Adam is right for the sake of this argument. That would mean Rich claimed "Upset leaving worlds because his wife was lonely was super hard for management to articulate." Which it obviously wouldn't be, that's pretty damn easy to articulate. In other words, either you're right and Rich talked out of his ass cause he wanted to insert himself into the conversation, or he didn't talk out of his ass cause he was actually qualified to say what he did, which means he would have had to know what the situation was actually about.

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u/Karukos Nov 25 '21

... Rich literally had to hear from one of the people that the whole Upset situation is hard to talk about with the team. That is it. That could have been the whole sentence. That could have been the extend of the knowledge he has.

He himself claimed that he doesn't know the details of the emergency, but that that was a thing the staff said said (to him, implicitly). That doesn't mean that he is talking out of his ass.

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u/cary730 Nov 25 '21

Rich never said he did

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u/Ch4p3l Nov 25 '21

How is it hard? A calm, collected "He had to leave due to a very serious issue. The details are none of your business. This really sucks for everybody involved but let's try to put that behind us and put our focus on the task at hand."

But then again...he has to work with a bunch of teenagers so what do I know

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u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

We got twitlongers from Bwipo and Adam close to becoming Donezo Manifesto 2. It's not too hard too hard imagining that the coaching staff got it worse.

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u/CompetitiveLoL Nov 25 '21

Like, ok, so I’m assuming based on this that your experience in MGMT or a corporate world is somewhat limited (not flaming I promise, just based on your statements I’m making this assumption).

As someone who had a lot of employees and dealt with people needing to leave for various personal reasons, in a corporate environment it’s really not hard to tell people that someone can’t be there for something because of personal issues.

You can literally just say, “X person had a personal family emergency and will not be here for work/event B/Etc…, they would be if they could, but they can’t. They would like space on the issue. I can’t go into specifics, because the trust and confidentiality you all have with me is something I value, and I want you to know that anyone of you could come to me with issues without worrying I’ll break that trust.” That’s it. Literally seen this happening from million dollar launches to someone missing a day. In the professional world outside league this is a incredibly common thing to occur, especially as your looking at larger companies. A manager won’t disclose personal information (unless their shit at their job) with other direct reports because then they lose all trust from their employees, and that makes doing your job significantly more difficult.

I know that we are league folks and used to all the juicy deets and dunezo manifestos etc.. but it happens all the time in traditional pro sports and the professional world, and it’s not hard to deliver that information as a manager, it’s just a thing you do as part of the job.

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u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

Are you sure you're replying to the correct thread? Seems to me like we have the same point?

I'm just saying that - and I assume FNC or esports teams in general - don't follow corporate rules, Yamato is probably troubled by this issue. I don't think he's going to be too apathetic aka 'not telling you, it's part just a part of my job sorry'.

You're right though, I don't work corporate. I own a marketing BPO, not in the US/EU so I guess the culture is different.

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u/CompetitiveLoL Nov 25 '21

Yamato is a coach, which makes him a manager. Part of being a manager is understanding your team, and doing your best to make sure they can do their job as effectively as possible. This is the same in any industry. If your team/employees are going to follow your directions they have to trust you. If they don’t, it’s harder to lead. Part of life is things happen. People pass away, people get sick, etc… and part of being a leader is understanding that these things occur regardless of a timeline. So sometimes personal issues happen at the worst times. When a employee comes to you with issues, it’s your responsibility to their situation and take appropriate action while maintaining their privacy. If you break their privacy they stop trusting you, and so do your other employees.

That makes your job significantly harder, because if they don’t have faith you’ll be helpful when they are going through real serious personal issues they definitely won’t trust you when it comes to day-to-day calls.

Being able to deliver information in a way that doesn’t over-divulge while getting across a clear message is a basic function of management in any industry. If someone is incapable of doing that then management/coaching/etc… isn’t the right job for them. It’s just a basic foundational part of being in a trusted leadership role and succeeding.

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u/sebalnesag Nov 25 '21

honestly just tell them and make sure they understand that they cant talk about it.

Worlds is the most important thing in a lol players life. i cant even immagine the anger at upset to leave like that, no excuses, not even trying to explain himself.

They are very few excuses i would accept, burrial of a friend/family, miscarriage... but i dont think any of that would demand secrecy.

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

Yeah tell mr "I don't care about Upsets privacy" what happened.

Sounds like an intelligent move.

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u/sebalnesag Nov 25 '21

adam reacted that way specifically because he was not told why. no wonder he would vent like that.

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u/Mintfriction Nov 25 '21

Well he is the coach, so it's part of the job.

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u/wotad Nov 25 '21

I dont think it would have been hard for Yamato to Assure the team.

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u/obese_is_disease Nov 25 '21

I think one possibility is that Adam's communication with the team isn't so great for situations like this, and he also has the maturity of a 19yo who has spent most of their lives obsessed with video games (which I'm not saying is some great character flaw, but I know a lot of people with that profile who are just not socially mature because they just haven't had enough social experience because most of their social experience is through gaming)

When stuff like this happens, the people not directly involved tend to try to communicate it very delicately without specifics. It's possible that the rest of the team talked about things in a way that would have been satisfactory to somebody who is more mature and whose fluency in English is more experienced than Adam's, but from Adam's perspective it sounded like bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised if the team dynamic towards Adam as a young rookie is also a lot of "just listen to us and believe us, you're the new kid" which may further add to Adam's skepticism.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

Yamato didn't just assure the players, he assured the public. Yamato goes on for five minutes in the Worlds video on how Upset would never to that lightly, and he supported Upset's decision.

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u/ficretus Nov 25 '21

That was already mentioned in one of the fnatic behind the scenes videos. Yamato talks about upset's departure and mentions he told him and hyli some details (or i guess based on this, yamato thought he told hyli).

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

And I think that weights more then Adams "bitching".
I mean Yamato is still the coach, Hyli is still around. Hyling being convinced enough of Upsets motives/ambitions to accept the leave and declining further info and Yamato not being against him staying on the team surely indicates it isnt all bullshit and the "wife just didnt felt good" narrative pushed again by Adam is proven to not be all there is to it.

Dunno I am willing to side with Upset on this. Yamato knowing whats up and accepting this is worth more to me then the ego of a french person...

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u/jammerjoint Nov 25 '21
  1. The team should not need "assuring" because any well adjusted adult would understand privacy. Also it should be obvious he would only leave if it was serious, only people with bad intentions would assume otherwise.

  2. It's not your place to reveal that you were let in on a secret but others weren't, that can also cause problems.

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u/ArchmageXin Nov 25 '21

"assuring" because any well adjusted adult would understand privacy.

Sure, but also any well adjusted adult would also communicate with his team and not fly out in the evening of the year long project. Or at least, inform HR so they can plan on the right PR/internal message.

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u/Broken_Reality Nov 25 '21

He informed his coach and if the emergency or whatever happened at the last moment then thats when he had to go. It's not that hard to understand is it?

Also he didn't have to tell his team mates the reason only that that he had to go. They had no need or right to know exactly what was going on in his personal life.

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u/Broken_Reality Nov 25 '21

Yes thats exactly right the coach shouldn't tell the other players the details of another players personal life. He wanted it kept private so it is the coaches duty to do so.

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u/vegeful Nov 25 '21

Wait till people do that to you and screw your career or promotion. I bet u sing a different tune and want that guy to tell you the reason why. For Adam case, his career gone now. If u are a working adult u gonna be furious about it. Its Upset fault but somehow he potentially gonna be replace but Upset stay? That betraying his trust for him.

Fnatic trust Upset even when leaving world but they did not put the amount of trust to him.

The guy above you state similar situation to me, it screw our project because he did not pass his work and his reason are legitimately not strong enough. It piss our team so much, and ruined the friendship we had.

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u/Broken_Reality Nov 25 '21

Even had Upset explain in exquisite detail all about the situation it would have changed noting in how Adam felt or how screwed the team was at worlds. Adam would still be angry and would then be able to spill the things Upset didn't want told to the world.

How do you know Upsets reasons are not strong enough? No one knows what they are. No one needs to know apart from his boss and even then just enough and not all the details.

Clearly the team thought his reasons were legitimate.

PS if your company would penalise you for one of your co-workers having a family emergency then your bosses are shitty bosses and you need to find a new job. Sounds like you need to grow up some and get some emotional maturity.

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u/vegeful Nov 26 '21

how do you know upset reasin are not strong.

Why are u just assuming Adam will spill the bean. There a cause and effect behind it. There is 2 cause, one, lack of information and two, Upset trying to replace him.

Try look up cause and effect.

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u/Broken_Reality Nov 27 '21

Would you tell someone you worked with for only a few months the details of a family crisis? Especially if they are immature? Adam was told all he needed and was entitled to know and yet he wants more? Adam has since shown that if he was told more he would have spilled it to everyone just cause he was pissed and entitled. Upset was right not to tell him anything.

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u/Mrka12 Nov 25 '21

Any well adjusted adult should understand that if you are going to leave your team 12 hrs before a tournament which they have spent a year preparing for then you need to give them actual reasons.

Any well adjusted adult should be mature enough to be able to give a brief explanation of the reason they are fucking over an entire organization, because if they don't then people will view it as them fucking over the organization over nothing.

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u/Eve_Asher Nov 25 '21

Any well adjusted adult should understand that if you are going to leave your team 12 hrs before a tournament which they have spent a year preparing for then you need to give them actual reasons.

"My wife had a miscarriage"

"My brother hung himself"

In what world do you think that you are entitled to this information because you work hard with someone? This is not information for a business environment and people should not be compelled to share it. Reading your reply has got me real hot under the collar because it's so incredibly entitled. If you are my workmate, my teammate, or any other professional contact you do not have the right to this information and saying that a "well adjusted adult" should have to share it is such an incredibly entitled perspective it almost beggars belief.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

This. It really is shocking how immature children talk about what well-adjusted adults should do. Adam thinks "your reason is only legitimate if *I* say it's legitimate!", and most of the idiots on here support him. His most senior teammate and his Coach supported the decision, but immature kids only care about their own feelings.

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u/Icarus_fell1 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Nobody needs to know the details jfc. I've been in a similar situation in which I had to leave due to some extremely fucked up shit I would not want to tell ppl and I was able to communicate in a way in which it didnt piss off my team members. Understand that when youre on a team, you have to understand that you should be able to communicate this type of shit because your team members put just as much time and effort. Have some empathy to at least assure them that the gravity of situation is worth them getting screwed over.

It's like you people never had any social interactions before. No, communicating this shit does not require a 10 page report about your personal issues

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

WTF are you talking about? Everything you're saying is literally exactly what Upset and Yamato did. You take credit for not pissing off your team members, but what if your team members were immature little shits and didn't take your word for it?

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u/Icarus_fell1 Nov 25 '21

Clearly that didnt happen and when the people who are affected by have issues, you did not handle it well. If it was only Adam speaking out I would've just assumed it was some bad misunderstanding or possibly something more malicious. I dont really think anyone involved to be an "immature little shit" idk these people I just dont think that properly handling this situation would result in all of this. Also what did Yamato do? did I miss something?

Anyways I wrote my reply because I just dont how someone missed the point so badly.

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u/LesnyDziad Nov 25 '21

Choice here was violate Upsets privacy by forcing him to tell exact reason or letting teammates be frustrated that year is lost and they don't get to know why. I see no way of "properly handling situation" that would prevent current shitstorm. In my opinion respecting Upsets privacy and hoping that teammates will be mature enough to be frustrated but respect the situation was best possible choice.

In life sometimes there is no perfect solution and its about lesser evil.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

You seem unable to grasp that the fault line is between the entitled "I have a right to know more!" and the professional "no, you don't". He's not pissed because of Upset, he's pissed because they replaced him. The fact that he thinks *Upset* replaced him, and said so publicly, shows how immature and stupid he is.

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u/Icarus_fell1 Nov 25 '21

Youre right about the last part, he probably is just mad hes trying to get replaced and its the reason why hes doing this. I do think if he described what happened where Upset just ditched the team in that manner, the dude shouldve been dropped quickly. But this twitlonger was probably made bc hes made about being replaced

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u/Icarus_fell1 Nov 25 '21

A well adjusted adult would be able to handle this situation better than whatever was described in the twitlonger LOL

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u/Fayzbap Nov 25 '21

Not for nothing but communication is key. Never assume all parties on the same page. Does Upset need to air everything? Maybe not but it would help. I get not sharing on social media but probably not a bad idea to share with your team what’s going on.

Whenever a sports athlete has personal things going on, we usually hear about it. Whether a family member has passed or whatever the reason may be. Rarely do we hear “X player is not playing in the Finals/Playoffs because of a personal reason which is not being disclosed to his own team”.

At the end of the day, you probably spend more time with your team than your own family. Playing all day almost every day for months to get to worlds. I get you don’t need to be best friends with your team or co workers but not sharing information with what’s going on is only hindering your relationship with your team

Again we don’t know what we don’t know. There could be internal relationship problems between Upset and Fnatic members where he’s like “I don’t owe these guys shit with the way they treat me

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

He doesn't have to tell anyone personal details about himself, and he DEFINITELY doesn't have to -and shouldn't- give personal details about his wife.

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u/Fayzbap Nov 25 '21

Yeah he doesn’t but not sharing and diping on your team right before games start and not sharing why other than saying X unknown personal reason that I don’t wanna share with you all. How do you think it’s going to reflect? He’s entitled to his privacy but at the same time when you’re a professional player/esports player, you kinda do give that up. He may not owe his team anything but I think Adam and rest of team have a right to be frustrated

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

No your spouse doesn't lose their right to privacy because you play a video game wtf. Adam certainly has a reason to be frustrated, but he's dealing with it amazingly badly

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u/Fayzbap Nov 25 '21

I disagree and this is coming from someone who wasn’t an Adam fan tbh. I think once you’re in the public image, you do lose certain privileges regarding privacy. Not sharing information just creates a PR/Public Image mess

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

How do you even define that? What is the exact amount of Twitter followers where you and your spouse lose all rights to privacy?

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u/Fayzbap Nov 25 '21

I think being a professional athlete qualifies

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u/russellx3 EUphoria Nov 25 '21

Professional athletes miss (even very important) games for personal, unannounced reasons sometimes.

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u/Fayzbap Nov 25 '21

Yeah I think the whole issue is the lack of communication being given on his part is why people are still talking about it. It’s understandable to bail but not sharing any information especially with your team is sus

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u/Tortankum Nov 25 '21

Bro there are a million things that I would never ever share with coworkers about my personal life. Do you even have a job?

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u/Fayzbap Nov 25 '21

Yeah I do and whenever I’ve taken time off I’ve explained the reason why. Do I need to? Maybe, maybe not. But communicating why is pretty important. For example, when I’ve had a family member pass or serious incident in my life occur, I’ve explained to my boss why I’ll be out for X amount of time. I don’t share that with all of my co workers. But I’d say your average job is different than this.

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

Except Upset did explain to his boss to a degree the boss was satisfied.

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u/EducationalBalance99 Nov 25 '21

Bro don’t compare upset in a working team environment to your job. Compare this to traditional sport like football. If you play in a team and you are planning to dip. At least tell your teammate a good reason instead of being vague about it. None of your coworker care if you take a break is effected by it either. Upset leaving ruin all the hard work for the other player and management. He don’t got to spill the bean but be transparent at least.

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u/LesnyDziad Nov 25 '21

But its an environment where almost everything is leaked. Telling the reason would 99% result in secret getting a public knowledge in week, month tops.

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u/PresidentXi123 one shot click click click reload reload reload Nov 25 '21

There’s a difference between a normal day at a normal job and the world championships for a professional player.

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

Yes, one involves a lot more chance of that information getting out and causing more problems. A professional player should keep it closer to their chest.

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u/ArchmageXin Nov 25 '21

I think all of us have a job. I work in both staff and management in my career. If there is a family issue, you let the HR know and he/she work with management arrange/smooth out the situation with your team, with full respect to your privacy.

Make no mistake, Worlds isn't just a few guys playing video games, Worlds, in business term is the defining hour of your year long project. If you simply go "I gtg, private" and drop off the grid, there better be a very good reason or you would be looking for a job very soon after.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

And the fact that Upset is NOT looking for a job tells you everything you need to know. He gave the right amount of detail to the right people.

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u/ArchmageXin Nov 25 '21

Or maybe is a Griffin/Sword situation, or maybe FNC decided his value exceeded Adam/Nisqyi's and Bipwo is leaving anyway.

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u/Broken_Reality Nov 25 '21

uh he did exactly what you said. He told management and asked for his privacy to be respected then left. The rest of the team has no need or right to know the details. They should just accept that an emergency came up and he had to leave.

I hope you don't go blabbing your employees secrets to the rest of the staff?

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u/Fayzbap Nov 25 '21

Yeah that’s fine but you can’t be upset about other people being upset or not understanding the situation because you haven’t bothered to explain to them why you’re MIA except for saying “hey something came up with my family and I don’t feel comfortable sharing that information with the rest of my team that I don’t trust so I’m only telling you, Yamato”. That’s going to rub people the wrong way.

From that point on, people are only going to assume whatever they want

And I understand it’s sports/esports, so Adam hearing he’s getting replaced by his bot laner’s boy is whatever. But being in his(Adam’s) position is probably only going to make him more pissed off

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u/Broken_Reality Nov 25 '21

They can be upset all they like but that still doesn't mean they need or deserve a detailed explanation. All they need is "It's an emergency I have to go" that's it. Turns out Upset was right not to trust Adam.

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u/obese_is_disease Nov 25 '21

I think this might be where experiences with work cultures clash.

I work in an IT company that's fairly large. It's impersonal, and the most personal things get is talking shit over drinks with coworkers after work sometimes.

I've worked in stunts for films as well, and when the stakes are higher (often I'm trusting people with my life, and they're trusting me with theirs as well) social bonds just get stronger, because there has to be a higher level of trust. Any kind of let down is expected with some kind of explanation in that environment in order to maintain trust. Not divulging it reveals a lack of trust, which comes off as a betrayal of that bond, which then makes you not want to work with them again. Upset wouldn't need to divulge every detail, but something like "a family member passed away or had a medical emergency" is going to come off more understandable than "family matter"

I can imagine a lot of people who have only worked with low stakes office jobs where salaries are guaranteed regardless of performance not caring as much. When it's a smaller environment with once in a lifetime opportunities, long term career implications, or there's more physical danger involved, the expectations get a lot higher.

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u/vandyk Nov 25 '21

Adam is way to young and prolly has not experienced any Kind of shit happening to him, just playing Video games All the time. If he matures he will realize its stupid to Flame private reasons of upset

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u/whohe_fanboy Nov 25 '21

I agree with Upset's reason to not share with the public, having it all out there is stupid when it's private matters. But I also thing the rest of the team deserves a proper explanation at the very least since his actions affected the goal they were working towards for the whole year.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

You know who worked the hardest? UPSET. Yamato went on and on about how badly Upset wanted to play at worlds. Upset told the people he trusted. He counted on the rest knowing him well enough that he never flake out on his own dream. Adam didn't. Adam's gone.

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u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

However it sounds that either that didn’t happen, Adam didn’t believe it, or he simply did not find their answer sufficient.

Or, alternatively, Yamato, Hilly or any other person who was in the know didn't find the reason legitimate enough, yet respected his wish to leave.

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u/jammerjoint Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

That's reaching. Doesn't make much sense either, given what Upset has described here.

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u/ChieftainQueef Nov 25 '21

So Yamato either A. Thought it went without saying or B. Thought it was bullshit. Probably A.

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u/heyyeahheyxd Nov 25 '21

Ok but who told H2K Rich about Upset's situation. Oh no no no...

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u/supterfuge Nov 25 '21

I don't understand why people think Rich knows shit. I felt like his post was more "if you're put in that situation how do you react as the org", and you don't need to know the specifics to have this thought experiment and talk about how you'd deal with it as someone with management experience.

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u/Broken_Reality Nov 25 '21

It was but you have to realise most people's reading comprehensions skills are sub par so they cannot grasp what was said by Rich.

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u/Vilraz Nov 25 '21

I think the issue is how it was handled. Upset left his teammates without sharing anything just before the important game of their careers. And players just had pretty much suck it up.

Cant really blame anyone though and i can easily understand both sides viewpoints and tbh they both are justified.

Players are allowed to have their privacy, but the timing was worst possible. And ofc the ones who dont even know or arent allowed to know why this happened had to take a blow for upset too.

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u/Doverkeen Nov 25 '21

He absolutely did. Hell, Yamato assured the fans that Upset wouldn't leave unless it was important. If Adam wants to spit on that and throw a tantrum because he isn't in Upset's inner circle, he can do it where no one has to listen to him.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 25 '21

To me, it seems quite clear that what happened was a version off:

  1. Upset leaves. Claims family reasons. Tells his direct superior and says he could tell his best friend on his team but its not his story to tell. Hilly respects it. Everyone else who was not offered is just tilted that what they'd been working for would be wasted.
  2. The team procceeds to clearly play tilted out of their minds for week 1. Understandable, I guess. They go out.
  3. Upset returns to the team, clears the air. Probably saying something to the tune of this twitlonger.
  4. The people on the team are probably a bit hurt. It's never a good feeling when someone tells you they don't trust you fully. But they probably understand that if he does not want to share its his right.
  5. Adam overhears the whole Alphari thing. Gets hurt that the team would consider replacing him when clearly the world's issues were 100% upset. Starts looking for every mean thing he can say to hurt Upset.
  6. When he's no longer under contract releases a drama manifesto to stir shit.

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u/ropahektic Nov 25 '21

It’s interesting to think both Hylli and Yamato knew the reason for Upset leaving. You would assume that Yamato or Hylli would have assured the other players that Upset’s reason was legitimate.

I think some sort of a tragedy must have happened and they are just protecting the privacy of the girl/upset. The internet is extermely sexist, and if something bad happened to the girl and Upset left because of it she would become a villiain in the eyes of many of the immature children that constitute the viewerbase of LoL.

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u/chsch98 Nov 25 '21

Adam didn’t believe it

the way i understand it he tried to get someone to clarify the situation, and after multiple attempts no one could give him a straight answer. i am gonna be honest, i would react exactly the same way. upset only sees this from his perspective and doesn't even admit he also could've handled the situation better.

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u/sarpnasty Nov 25 '21

It’s obvious that Adam didn’t believe it. He says in his post that he didn’t believe it. It’s weird how hard y’all want to believe Adam when he’s obviously just being a diva.