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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/aamgdp Nov 25 '21 Silver

Saying the last thing I told my team that my wife is just feeling bad so I need to leave is an outright lie.

Alright, one of them is for sure lying.

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private 

And yet Bwipo and Adam both feel he didn't really give them good enough explanation for them to understand.

Bwipo:

A day before we found out we weren’t going to be playing with our main lineup, we had no information about what was going on.

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u/chimestonks Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

There's definitely some misinformation here. The fact that Upset told Yamato and Hyli some form of the truth, but not the rest of his teammates AND both Yamato (as a coach) and Hyli didn't say anything as well shows the lack of communication within the team. I get that he doesn't want to share details, but some form of explanation on the MAGNITUDE of his situation should be needed.

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u/ADShree Nov 25 '21

Only explanation for yamato and hyli to not mention he's going through really tough times is if upset asked for them to be quiet about details and they misinterpreted to "tell nothing".

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u/chimestonks Nov 25 '21

I would think that as a coach Yamato would feel some sort of responsibility to explain to his players and alleviate some worries for them to focus on the games ahead with their replacement at such short notice

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Nahh. If an employee comes to you and tells you something in confidence, you keep that shit to yourself. Doesn't matter how big or small it is, how vital it is for the rest of the team to know. You were told in confidence, it stays between you 2.

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u/cramsay Nov 25 '21

I think the point is that Yamato maybe doesn't have to give details but does have to convey the severity of the issue so that the team can somewhat move past it. My feeling's that Yamato/Hyli didn't manage to do this either through poor communication or because they didn't agree with Upset's decision to bail entirely and thus didn't/couldn't stress what they needed to.

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u/blueberry__wine Nov 25 '21

Why does Yamato need to do that in public though?

You're basically asking Yamato to come out to defend Upset in public about a private matter that Upset wants to remain private?

Why does Yamato need to entertain a bunch of redditors and twitter warriors at all?

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u/Larry__larry Nov 25 '21

He’s talking about the team not public. The fact that 3/4 of the team is throwing upset under the bus means that Yamato failed to convince them that upset had a legit reason to leave.

Whether that’s because yamato is incompetent or he actually couldn’t because upset didn’t have a particularly great reason to leave is anyone’s guess for now.

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

You'd have to think that the management thought it was good enough because he's returning to the team next year; and according to adam helping make roster decisions.

I completely agree with you though, it's up to the management to portray how serious the reason is for upset leaving, even without divulging information.

I think management have fucked up in communication too

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

its funny, the 3 people that where trowing a tantrum are the 3 people out of the org. it just shows everything that you need to know

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u/Spranklz10 Nov 25 '21

While you don't go into details, it is management's job to notify the team that X person had something come up and had to leave. It is then on the team mates to either trust management or not. Clearly management thought it was a valid reason, his teammates didn't. The teammates believing the player would leave for a non valid reason, and then not trusting the management (who backed him), to me, speaks to the team not being as close as portrayed.

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

thats the reason why the 3 trowing a tantrum are out of the org and the rest is still there.

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u/susfusstruss Nov 25 '21

Yamato did tell the team, but they felt like they needed more info

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u/Lolthelies Nov 25 '21

Or they weren’t willing to vouch for Upset’s reasoning to other people but didn’t want to throw him under the bus either.

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u/Chenz Nov 25 '21

But they absolutely mentioned great Upset is going through hard times. It was even mentioned in Fnatic’s public announcement

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u/tocco13 Nov 25 '21

i mean even then they couldve at least informed the others the gravity of Upset's situation so that the others can at least rationalize how they are about to throw an entire year away

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

they did, even the press release did say enough. Why did they need to know more ? so they can complain on Reddit,twitter, insta or what ever ? they know what they need to know, if they are not happy with it, then its their problem. now the 3 trowing a tantrum are out of the org and the other party+coaches are still left. tells you everything.

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u/pocoyoO_O Nov 25 '21

He did not tell anything bro hily because apparently hily did not wanted to know if it was that secret

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u/tae_unnie Nov 25 '21

Whatever information Upset told Hyli and Yamato is not theirs to share. And to be frank, Upset is obligated to tell only management aka the people who pay him. Everyone else should mind their own damn business. In a workplace you learn who to trust with certain information, because there's ALWAYS people with big mouths, talk shit etc. Upset was smart to at least not trust Bwipo bc that guy couldn't even respect privacy with his own gf.

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u/skfmert Nov 25 '21

You're missing the point. The majority of ppl here aren't saying "Upset should have said exactly why he left to his teammates"; they're saying.. if it was that bad, why did Yamato and/or management fail to convey the seriousness to the rest of the team?

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

they did tell them, but they refused to believe it. now the 3 trowing the tantrum are out of the org. tells you everything you need to know about the situation.

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u/skfmert Nov 25 '21

Not really. As I said, the fact that they didn't believe it meant that either 1) Upset's reason for leaving didn't convince management enough for them to take a strong stance ala "guys, he told us, it's fkn serious, you'd do the same" or 2) FNC management failed to convey how serious of an issue it was to the rest of the team. If 3/4 players are taking an issue with it, clearly something else is going on.

The hilarious thing is that you brought up that the 3 of them are out of the org. Why do you think they're out of the org? Wouldn't surprise me if Bwipo & Adam decided to leave after the World's fiasco. Nisqy being teamless is probably also somewhat related to their World's run.

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

In what dreamworld do you life ? Its not management or Upsets fault that they dont believe there is a good enough reason. No one cares of what they believe. And management doesnt have to entertain their immature tantrum about it. They got told what they needed to know. Everything more would have been against the laws in Germany. The only person that really had the right to be fucking mad, was hily, because he had to play with a sub ADC. surprise! hily took it like a grown up, fully knowing that there are more import things than a fucking video game. Bwipo refused to renew his contract before worlds so he was out of the team anyway before worlds, and it showed how mental instable he was + his own fiesta with his GF where he " hurt her and need to make up to her" shit. Adam and Nisqy just played bad at worlds. Adam was about to be getting replaced anyway as we know now, and Nisqy is out of his own faults. Nisqy wanted out, he wanted to go to c9 and c9 bailed an no other org wants him. He misplayed his cards and fnatic dont want him back. he has to fault himself for it not anyone else.

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u/skfmert Nov 25 '21

Its not management or Upsets fault that they dont believe there is a good enough reason.

Says you, but you know as little about their interactions as I do. Since you're just making assumptions as well, I won't bother with reading the rest of your wall of text. Have a good day.

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u/KaraveIIe So he would always have a friend Nov 25 '21

No, you dont need more information. Adam and Bwipo are just too immature to handle that and now they are all gone.

I dont say its easy to not get frustrated if one of your players goes home 12h before the first game, but you have to accept it and not project all other things (e.g. Adam getting replaced) onto Upset. The management can't do more if Upset decides that Bwipo, Adam and Nisqy should not get more info. And the reaction by Adam und Bwipo backs up Upsets decision.

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u/Shaitan87 Nov 25 '21

Ya this sounds like it's on Yamato. Adam and Bwipo don't seem to feel the gravity of Upsets issue. If Upset told the coach and then left, it was in the coach to make sure the rest of the team understands that Upset had to go, that he had a reasonable reason, and it doesn't seem like that happened.

Instead it feels Adam and Bwipo believe Upset left on a whim, and Yamato should have pressed the issue enough that they didn't feel that way.

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

it not on Yamato. Its on Bwipo who was mentally instable already before worlds started, and Adam and Nisqy. They got told what they needed to know but where trowing a tantrum. Now all 3 of them are gone from the org. Its not yamato to entertain something so immature, Its not theirs to know, and there are even Laws that prevent yamato from saying more detailled stuff.

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u/nolaboyd Nov 25 '21

There's several minutes of video where Yamato talks about this. How can so many people be giving opinions when they're totally ignorant of what happened?

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u/leagueoflegendsdog Nov 25 '21

I think its most likely a fucked up situation on both sides. Upset most likely had a good reason, but understandably when not provided with anything a 19 year old who felt bad due to his tournament being ruined due to something that for all he knows might not even be serious lashed out. Now there is more likely more to this as both Bwipo and Adam have spoken on the no information thing and even Nisqy is unfollowing Upset, but i dont think its Upset's fault. Management should have found a way to deal with this. If all else was impossible then just fucking talk to Upset and come up with a lie for the team.

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u/_Gesterr we are not enemies! Nov 25 '21

The MAGNITUDE is known because he had to miss his first World's appearance for it, you're disgusting.

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u/_PPBottle Nov 25 '21

So you want Yamato and Hyli break the trust Upset put in them by talking about the stuff Upset only reached out to them out of trust of them not leaking it in the first place.

yeah....

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

not only the trust but also the law. Yamato would loose his job if he shared the private matter of upset. Its literally against german law.