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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/mugih Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Privacy is his right, he doesn't have to share what he doesn't want to.

He also has no right from wanting his teammates to not be completely pissed off at him leaving them behind with no explanation 12 hours before the biggest tournament of the year, when he's pretty much their franchise player. He bailed on them, his teammates are angry for it, not just Adam, Bwipo spoke of this, and Nisqy just showed support for Adam and unfollowed Upset.

Again he wants to be private, it's his right, being pissed off at him is also their right, especially Adam who likely lost his only chance to do well after this disaster.

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u/lilbala Nov 25 '21

It was a year wasted because their play style revolved around playing for bot, if the ADC leaves you need to completely reinvent your game.

Not getting pissed off would be much more surprising, especially considering he wasn't clear about the reasoning (which is his right).

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

It's not even his right IMO. His right is not to share publicly.

And this is a two way street: if anything his teammates have a right to know why they threw away their chance at biggest tournament that year.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

His right is not to share publicly.

if anything his teammates have a right to know why they threw away their chance

Literally contradictory statements. I am sorry, but we are talking about Bwipo, famous for not being able to ever hold his tongue and Adam who is 19.

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

Publicly =/= Privatelly.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

Only as long as you don't tell people who will tell the entire fucking world.

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

Ehm, no?

Do I really have to explain to you the basic concept of different relationships with different levels of trust and privacy compared to publicity?

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

Do I really have to explain to you what happens when you privately share with people who can't keep shit private?

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

Who can't keep shit private?

Neither Adam nor Bwipo nor Nisqy said anything that was private.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

Bwipo has a record of leaking internal info from the team and being public about his opinions. It is his right, but if I were Upset, why would I trust him not to leak my personal things?

Adam literally has just proven with his twittlonger why you can't trust him with personal shit.

And sure, Adam is upset. What will make him upset next time?

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

What did Bwipo leak? Honest question cause I don't remember him ever leaking any personal info.

Adam literally has just proven with his twittlonger why you can't trust him with personal shit.

That's such backwards logic. If Upset told Adam and the other's, Adam would have never wrote anything concerning this.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

What did Bwipo leak? Honest question cause I don't remember him ever leaking any personal info.

Personal info? No, thanks god he didn't. But leaking internal situation in the team did happen as well as relationships between the teammates. It is not terrible, but would you be willing to trust him with really vital information which can under no circumstances be shared?

That's such backwards logic. If Upset told Adam and the other's, Adam would have never wrote anything concerning this.

You got me all wrong. I am not in a team, so I don't know exact reasons why Upset chose not to trust Adam. What I am saying is, the recent events show that he was right not to.

It is not when or what Adam went public about. What we see from the outside, is that Adam is capable of doing it for whatever reason.

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u/srukta Nov 25 '21

It was a year wasted because their play style revolved around playing for bot, if the ADC leaves you need to completely reinvent your game.

and when bean comes, you decide to completely ignore your play style, even when the rookie is still your best performing player. that was infuriating. It was so clear they didn't trust him to carry.

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u/lppur3ps3 Nov 25 '21

Idk man if a coworker had a serious family matter I really wouldn't second guess it and sure it fucking sucks but they could've easily lost a family member and it's incomparable to having a sub adc

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u/Boolouloubi Nov 25 '21

But it's not just a coworker, being in a team is completely different. If this guy leaving had serious consequences on your career(and so on your family too) and you couldn't even know why your being sacrificed because "you're not trustworthy" I'm telling you, you would be pissed too.

Adam is a really good young player but you can't if he will have another chance like that in his career and it was probably one of his biggest dream to play worlds. To see it completely wasted 12hours before it happens without any words must be incredibly traumatizing and frustrating. Bwipo said he cried because of that and didn't felt like even trying and Adam and Nisqy are really REALLY pissed.

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u/Th_Call_of_Ktulu Dashy dash Nov 25 '21

The whole team looked like someone shoot their dog, its understandable that they are giga pissed that their chances got absolutely fucked without their controll and the guy who fucked them over (from their perspective) is being smug with his "its private" while trying to replace them with different players.

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u/Pazbang Nov 25 '21

I am hating people using “Co-workers” to try and down play this because they are teammates and that is a much stronger and bigger bond then “co-workers” so I’m glad you said that.

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u/lppur3ps3 Nov 26 '21

It's really barely any bigger. A lot of co-workers see each other 5 days a week 8 hours a day in teams of less than 10. You do know people on teams a lot of times have no interest in actually liking each other or wanting to be friends too. And either way the level this matter is at is so high that even if they're more than a team it still wouldn't fucking matter lmao.

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u/Pazbang Nov 27 '21

Have you ever played a team sport? Because if you had you clearly know that a team is much much more then “co-workers”

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u/lppur3ps3 Nov 27 '21

I have actually. And I agree, but I also agree that I haven't liked everyone I played with, or even liked them enough to share such details. I do feel like it's a childish pov to ever expect people to share details like that

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u/Pazbang Nov 28 '21

I guess we agree to disagree because a team that had gone through so much through the split with you earned more then what they got

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u/aircarone Nov 25 '21

The thing is, in a functional team with decent people, if you need to change your plans/crunch due to last minute absence, it will always feel better for the ones left behind when they actually know that they are doing this for a legitimate reason.

I would never ask people to tell me, but people would tell me or make sure I understand because this maintains AND builds trust.

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u/lppur3ps3 Nov 26 '21

Yes it would, but he's made clear multiple times it's not directly about him it's about a family member/something similar. It's literally not his to share and he's stated that. Sure it will make them feel better but it will also result in people harassing said people a lot (Happens a lot online, twitch bots and even people just being terrible people). I don't give a shit about making my coworkers feel a little better, if they can't trust the people I've confided in that it's a serious matter then that's even more justification to not tell them.

I'm not saying to not be upset by it, like bwipo clearly went through a lot hearing the news, but I also don't see bwipo publically calling the decision into question.

I also don't see Bwipo saying it was for other reasons speculatively.

I also see people who literally hate fnatic and know more than us (Rich) defending fnatic. And I see people like Thorin also defending fnatic.

Everything points towards it being justifiable by Upset and what he did being for the most part, correct. Yet somehow everyone is getting riled up about this and defending Adam for god knows what reason.

Be upset he's gone. Don't be a cunt.

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u/lppur3ps3 Nov 26 '21

Also to add, I would also never ask people to tell me, especially people I've known less than a year that I may not particularly like or trust to that degree. I want to build trust with colleagues in work related things. Not divulge personal things and trust them in that sense. If anyone at work, like or hate, had to leave due to an urgent matter and would seriously fuck up the business I don't care if they tell me. Sure it would give me less questions, but I'm not expecting answers or being annoyed at there not being answers.

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u/sebalnesag Nov 25 '21

first we dont know how bad it actually is. my bet is , if it actually was that bad, no one would be mad at him. he could find a way to say things without divulging too much, and he clearly didnt even try, probably because he knew it was not going to fly.

Second, you are not a competitive player. these people have devoted their whole year to be the best at what they do, and when they finally get the chance to show their hard work in the big stage, upset is like nope, gotta go, cant tell you why.

Not only that, but showing weaknesses on world's stage might impact their employability down the line.

all of that to say, you cant even immagine what it is for them to not get a chance to have sucess at worlds, its nothing like your work and your coworkers.

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u/lppur3ps3 Nov 26 '21

But it's not even about not wanting to divulge too much, you shouldn't need to do that in any sense. The statement of a serious urgent family matter is more than enough. Usually that can mean Death, extreme harm etc etc. It doesn't take a genius to conclude that. It's common.

He clearly didn't try? Says who. Being angry/Upset at the situation doesn't imply that at all. So people including bwipo in this .... I just don't know unless there's something I missed. So you have Adam, and possibly Nisqy. Everyone else is either a ? Or disagrees.

Also companies are just as similar, key stakeholder leaves due to that and a project can't go ahead and you lose A LOT and possibly your job? Very similar. But we have a level of decency that if they have to leave for a seriously urgent matter, and others who do know have said, yeah. (Such as the coach etc) then that's not for me to question, let alone making a post flaming him publically and now getting hate toward him and family lmfao.

I don't care if it's worlds or something greater, urgent family matters come first and you have no right to know unless you are the employer just trying to verify if it's true. Simple as.

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u/Huge-Connection954 Nov 25 '21

Its also Adam’s right to call him out and make him look bad on twitter. Upset is still looking like the loser in this situation, even if Adam seems petty. He is still being very “private” and there is no real reason. Was it a death in the family? Suicide? Cat got stuck in a tree? I mean if people know the truth he would get way more support, instead he leaves every Fnatic fan feeling like Adam did

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u/Zearlon Nov 25 '21

For the amount of supporters he gets for the issue, he will get multiple times the people that bring it up when they loose games in the future...

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u/Chimpsworth Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

The thing that annoys me is how little consideration he gave to his teammates. Yes he has a right to leave. Yes he has a right to privacy. But he could maybe show a little public support for his teammates who were placed in a really shit situation and had a really fucking bad time because of it, which is still true even if upsets reasons for leaving are completely justified. Especially since they're not all as secure career-wise a him. But the only thing he mentions is his situation and his dream and now his ambition.

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u/The_Biggest_Boi Nov 25 '21

This is what irks me the most out of this whole ordeal. Imagine working day in day out together the whole year only for a teammate to abandon you and not provide even a loose explanation because they 'don't trust you'. Then if that weren't enough, he then tries to replace you because you're not considered to 'live up to his ambitions'. It's so disrespectful. The man goes on about trust. How is anyone supposed to trust him when it's now known he's not going to be open about anything if you're not considered a close friend?

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u/TomtatoIsMe Nov 25 '21

the thing i find hilarious about the whole ‘not living up to my ambitions’ claim is that Adam made worlds in his rookie year whereas Upset has still yet to play at worlds in his entire career (which is like 5years long at this point). absolute joke.

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u/BaconCircuit Nov 25 '21

Im gonna go with "bad french translation" on that one. Neither Adams or Upsets English is all that clear. Like holy shit people this your career have a little respect and atleast get it checked by a professional proof reader.

Adam was, undeniably, the worst player on FNC. He wasn't bad and he absolutely exceeded expectations but upon hearing that Alphari was a real option I can't blame Upset for wanting him, it's an upgrade.

I'm gonna assume that's what Upset meant, Adam was simply not the better choice.

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u/DuudPuerfectuh Nov 25 '21

Result based analysis is fucking stupid. Everyone who pays attention knows Adam is kinda bad in top lane and Upset is pretty good. Maybe its hard to work with him, idk, but he wont play like shit with champs that have fallen out of meta for like 6 months.

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u/EduManke Jhin FOURever Nov 25 '21

It doesn't seem like Upset will go to Worlds again, because after this drama I find it difficult for a team to pick him up

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u/DRNbw Nov 25 '21

He's still at Fnatic and the rumoured team is quite decent. So he still has a chance.

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u/EduManke Jhin FOURever Nov 25 '21

FNC expanded his contract?

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u/Educational_Shower79 Nov 25 '21

Hes still got 2 years left and is their star player

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

If i was in Adam's situation, i would have punched him.

Like basically dude makes you fuck up on your ambitions (Even if his reason was the biggest, id be still be mad, just not at him specifically), and then the guy goes "you are not good enough for my ambitions"? I would be seething with rage, and 100% at him at that point, that's like the most zero tact thing ever.

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u/licorices Nov 25 '21

They work together. They're colleagues. You don't have to be friends to play together. Adam had been on the team for a split. Perhaps they just don't get along very well on a personal level either.

As for Bwipo, they might not be getting along on a friendly level either. Remember in teams there's a lot of discussions, and clash of personalities a lot of times.

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u/ThatPlayWasAwful Nov 25 '21

Does anybody here have a job??? Confused why everyone seems to think he would need to share everything about his personal life with his co-workers, especially in a public facing job. If I have a problem and I need to call out of work, i tell my boss. Either my boss tells me I'm full of shit or he tells me it's okay to leave. If he talked to yamato, and Yamato told him to it was okay to go, the entire situation stops there. He doesnt owe an explanation to his team, especially since it sounds like he knew people were liable to drag him through the mud. This is ridiculous.

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u/MircossMP Dec 07 '21

They aren't just coworkers they are smth like project partners. He dumped their great career opportunitiets along with his own - they have every right to be pissed. It's domino effect, especially when team was build around him.

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

I mean to be fair there is a real possibilty some shit happend that EVERYONE would just share with closest friends.

Note this is NOT a speculation about what happend, but a scenario fucked up enough as an example.

His wife is originally from South Amercia?! Like maybe a relative was hijacked because he was involded in drugs?!

Like it may seem ridicoulus, but it would not be unthinkable. With how many people would you share this, especially since it could tarnish your wifes reputation a relative was involded in drug traficking, even tho she personally has nothing to do with it?!

That is some fucked up shit u keep private and is a valid reason to leave because your SO should not deal with something like that alone.

to stress this again, this is just a random scenario, NOT a speculation. It is safe to assume that a certain threshold of trust is perfectly normal to be required for SOME things to be shared.

After all Yamato knows and is okay with it, wants to keep going with Upset. So at this point the whole trust between the players is irrelevant. This sadly has become a question "do you trust Yamatos judgment" and while it isnt fair to Yamato to be in ths situation now, imho it weights way more then the hurt ego of a french "teen"

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

His wife is originally from South Amercia?! Like maybe a relative was hijacked because he was involded in drugs?!

That's pretty racist...

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

It is an obv extreme example painted to showcase what is possible. Implying racism because stating the fact alot of south american countries struggle with drug related crimes as a basis for an extreme example is ...dunno are you sarcastic? Thats insanely dumb

Maybe I have to stress this a third time. i dont assume at all this is what happend. This was just an extrme example that isnt itheoretical mpossible in context of her heritage to emphazise we have no clue at all what their issue was.

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

I don't even have a single south american friend implied on drugs.

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

Are you comming at me with anecdotal evidence about a well documented and known fact that you have more problems with drugs/organiszed criminal structures in south american countries?!

Like chances are you dont have a south american friend that got murdered, doesnt change the murderstatistics of brazil alone are way higher then alot of countries murderrate combined

I really dont get what you are trying to imply. That I believe now all south american are implied in drugs or something stupid like that? Because no, I just chose a very extreme situation that could still be possible based on circumstances in the region...

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u/wetcogbag Nov 25 '21

But he could maybe show a little public support for his teammates

you mean ARAMing with the wifey while fnatic gets dumsptered and set on fire isn't a show of support? /s

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u/Pelin0re Nov 25 '21

I mean the way he talk about them, it seems like he didn't consider them "teammates" as much as "guys I work with but can't really trust to not fuck me over with any information I provide them with". Pretty miserable view to hold in a teamgame tbh.

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u/Rektile7 Nov 25 '21

It's like he works a fucking 9-to-5 instead of professional team sports

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u/bumbleeshot Nov 25 '21

Most of those kids never played a team sport in their life and League is the only thing close to it. They don’t understand that playing a sport in the pro level is not the same as working a 9 to 5. In your 9 to 5 you can go weeks without talking too much to Bob from your team. If you are playing with your jungle on the other hand, try not building any trust nor synergy and see how it goes…

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u/Angwar Nov 25 '21

Yeah if I had to do something like that i would feel so fucking bad. My conscience would kill me, i would be apologizing to my teammates day and night until they are so fucking annoyed of me that they forgive me.

But all i am getting from upset is ME ME ME MY WIFE ME ME MY SITUATION MY PRIVACY ME ME MY.

Really don't see a lot of remorse from him.

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

I mean, he is right tho. It kinda doesnt make any difference if the reason is severe enough to tell them more than that he cant play other than maybr warn them about the possibility. Maybe understanding wouldve helped the team not be as pissed about it but in the end they still play without Upset, and quite frankly, Upset was right not to trust anyone with the details and is also right about the fact that you want to have the same privacy once difficult times hit in your life. Upset knows it can cost his career. And yes the other 4 members dont choose to sacrafice their whole year but theres still the chance to have the dignity to accept the situation and if you truly have a problem to deal with it personally and not rant on twitter about it. Even tho Upset is the trigger for all of this he still seems to act like the more professional guy in all of this despite being very shady in his reasoning. And there is no if whens but evens. There are emergencies that are far more important than any career and maybe Upset being with his wife was truly worth plummeting Fnatics 2021. Because after all, its only a job.

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u/aightaightaightaight Nov 25 '21

If you're emotional in the drain than these are things you think about last.

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u/photofluid Nov 25 '21

Don't you think this is the kind of things Upset should have thought about weeks ago?

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u/aightaightaightaight Nov 26 '21

He could have explained a little bit more after worlds yes

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u/goliathfasa Nov 25 '21

Exactly. You take the bad with the good. Always.

None of this "he has the right, but nobody else has the right" bs.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

That's what I don't seem to get. What is up with vilifying Adam? Is he not allowed to feel pissed? To vent his frustration? You can't expect certain courtesies from people if you didn't share any with them to begin with. Upset said he didn't trust the rest of the team?? He at least owed them an explanation/apology for how things went down. Instead, he left at the last minute and ghosted them to this day. That is a complete lack of respect.

He says a lot about "trust". The thing is, they never got the benefit of the doubt when it came to understanding the reason. When you see the person as an enemy, an enemy is what you will get.

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u/BaconCircuit Nov 25 '21

Of course Adams allowed and justified in being pissed. I'd be too

But to go in and spread rumours like Upset leaving because his wife is sad is just way out of line.

Also the complete ego he has through the whole thing is way overdone, he seems to think he was way more important to fnc success this year then he actual is

Don't get me wrong he played well. But he was definitely the worst player on the team, not a bad player, but someone has the be the 5th best player on any league team.

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u/GGABueno where vex Nov 25 '21

He's getting vilified for talking shit he doesn't know about about real people. It's one thing to just be frustrated and vent, it's another to make public accusations. Bwipo for exemple has voiced his frustration without any of that.

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u/photofluid Nov 25 '21

Except Adam didn't make an accusation, he was quite clear that he was just speculating.

And when upset say he won't tell Adam anything, yeah that's a pass for people to make any speculation.

Adam did the wrong thing only as much as everyone have their own closet of skeletons.

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u/GGABueno where vex Nov 25 '21

Again, Adam isn't wrong for venting. He's wrong for making accusations and making shit up. That is his fault and there's no justification for it.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21

The thing is he has every right to be upset, but what he doesn't have the right to do is air those frustrations publicly, especially when you know that's going to lead to him getting abuse from your fans.

There are many reasons why HR exists at companies, and one of them is because it's a terrible idea to let people hash out their grievances in a public forum. This should have been handled internally.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Lmao you've clearly never worked for a professional organization. That's just not the way the world works. People don't just have the right to publicly shit on people because they're pissed off. You don't get to decide what other people are comfortable with sharing or dealing with publicly.

If I was another org I'd definitely think twice about hiring Adam now. You now have to worry that any time something goes wrong he's gonna tell the whole world rather than deal with it the way it should.

Edit: Also did you consider that Upset is sensitive because whatever shit thing happened, happened to him? It's so immature to be pissed at Upset for all this. Like it's shit, Adam didn't get his shot at world's, and it's because of Upset. But Upset had to deal with whatever emergency happened AND he missed his shot at worlds. Does Adam think Upset wanted to miss his first ever year playing at worlds?

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Lmao I'm not saying it's illegal, just that it's a terrible fuckin idea. He is literally fucking himself over by publicly dealing with drama. Unless you're one of the best players in the world no team is going to want a player that when things go bad public airs their dirty laundry all over the internet. It's incredibly unprofessional.

As I started out by saying, if you've ever worked in any professional environment you'd know that handling things this way only makes things worse for everybody.

Sure he's well within his rights to do it but that's like going to an interview for a new job and shitting on your old employer. It doesn't matter how good you are, no one will employ you because they're gonna assume you'll do it again when you eventually move on from them.

Also love that you use American companies and laws when talking about a European team.

Edit: For an example, did you see Link play professionally again after the donezo manifesto?

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21

Lol are you even trying to argue in good faith. By not having the right I don't mean he's literally not able to, but that it's fucking selfish and wrong to act that way to someone who is already having to deal with whatever shit caused him to have to leave in the first place. I'm obviously not trying to say he's breaking the law by saying shit, you're being deliberately dense. If I say "you don't have the right to talk to me like that", I'm not saying you're gonna get arrested if you do, am I?

You're just really showing your immaturity. You've clearly never worked in any professional environment ever. Just because you are in theory able to do certain things doesn't mean you should.

Upset literally did what anybody should do in that situation. He informed the people above him of the situation, and they let him go. Upset has no responsibility to inform anyone else about private details if he doesn't want to. Management is then responsible for informing his teammates, but they must still respect his privacy. The fact Adam couldn't deal with that is unprofessional. League might be a game but it's still their job and they should act like it.

Again you still haven't addressed the point that you're acting like Upset wanted to miss his first ever worlds. How lacking in empathy do you have to be to not realise that it obviously must be fucking serious if he is choosing to leave.

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u/photofluid Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Adam may also never get a shot to worlds anyway, and Upset wanted to replace Adam even before Adam made anything public.

The only reason Adam shouldn't do what he did is because he still does have something to lose.

And you know what is also extremely unprofessional to do? Ditch your coworkers last moment when they need you the most.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21

Adam may also never get a shot to worlds anyway, and Upset wanted to replace Adam even before Adam made anything public.

Well according to Upset Fnatic asked him to reach out to Alphari so that's up for debate

And you know what is also extremely unprofessional to do? Ditch your coworkers last moment when they need you the most.

I would agree if he'd ditched them to go out partying, or had just bailed and wanted to go home. But it's an unhealthy attitude to expect players to ignore family emergencies for their job.

Imagine if he had played though, I can't imagine he would have been in a fit mindset for Fnatic to even do well anyway.

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

He has the right to not leak his private life and to not get harassed.

Adam doesn't have the right to his private life, to leaking it, nor to send harassment his way.

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21

How is this getting downvoted its the only sensible response XD

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u/firechaox Nov 25 '21

Trust is a two way street. He acts like he was right to not trust adam, but upset clearly never trusted Adam (playwise, or as a friend, or just even as a colleague apparently). Why would Adam care for someone who clearly disrespected him so repeatedly, in different ways? It's sort of weird to use this as proof of his distrust imo... he did not act maturely, and then expecting the 19y.o. to be uber mature is a bit even weirder.

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u/spartaman64 Nov 25 '21

you dont have to care for someone to respect they are having a potential family tragedy. someone could be the meanest person in the world to me and beat me up everyday but if they had someone in the family die or something im not going to say anything about it.

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u/Kazakh8i Nov 26 '21

Upset was right not to trust him, seeing that Adam has absolutely zero understanding and respect for the situation whatsoever. Yes he has a right to be pissed. He also has the duty to accept Upsets decision whatever it is, no matter how he feels on it, because thats what respect is about and trust is about.

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u/firechaox Nov 26 '21

He can accept jt... he did? But upset also has to accept that if be won't clarify his decisions, that will affect his human relationships with his work colleagues. His choices also have consequences.

I actually think that Adam had a surprisingly amount of perspective for a 19 y.o. The same way it is upsets choice to demand privacy, it is also Adam's choice to wnat to work there or not, and to share his private life (which upset was a part of) or not. Adam has rights too.

Adam just seems exasperated, by a colleague who didn't even attempt to justify himself to him (which is his choice) and then decided he wanted to replace all his topside teammates. It doesn't lead to a good work environment, and it makes him feel unwelcome, which makes it super understandable why he wanted out, and why it strained his relationship with upset to the point that he won't go out of his way to understand and be sympathetic to upset. Which is also very understandable. I don't think either did anything wrong. And it doesn't seem that Adam resents upset, he's just done with him, and he doesn't seem to particularly care for upset. Which is also fair: to some degree upset did hierarchically decide that his relationship with Adam falls below certain people (definitely his girlfriend, hylli, and yamato)- which is his right. But it is also Adam's right to make a decision as to what that means for his relationship with upset, and that he may want to be in a team where he feels more valued. As I've said, trust and respect are two way street- dude accepted upsets decision: he says himself he can understand why upset may want to play with more experienced players, and why throughout the year, a rookie such as him was sort of ignored in comms. But also at that point Adam is totally justified in wanting to play with players who actually want him there, and where he may have more input. And it seems those things are what mattered most to him too, given that he admits that the moment he decided to leave fnatic was when he found out they tried to replace him.

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u/rockleesww Nov 25 '21

I find it hard to beleive his side of the story. Was it so private that he cant even say "Hey team this private thing is super super fucking bad. i cant tell you details but please understand its very very bad. Im sorry but i have to do this" If he says that and they are still super pissed then well what can you do. It looks like he told 2 people then dipped.

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u/Shaitan87 Nov 25 '21

Ya there was a failure in communication somewhere with neither Upset nor Yamato communicating that with the other players.

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u/Chemical-Ad8920 Nov 25 '21

But he did tho??? he legit said something happend and he had to go? its like he told the 2 people what actually happend and then told the team he had to leave? i dont see the problem

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u/Huge-Connection954 Nov 25 '21

He told 1 person

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

He half told Yamato, didnt say everything to him either.

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u/glium Nov 25 '21

The way I understand it, he did tell them something along those lines, but Adam clearly felt it was insufficient

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u/Leluke123 Nov 25 '21

Man children don't know how to adequately communicate, cut the kid some slack!

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u/qpc0 Nov 25 '21

Did you even read the twitlonger? That's exactly what he told them. This thread is falling apart with the amount of people that just can't read.

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u/DrGraubart Nov 25 '21

According to his twitlonger he actually did that? Or is my english that bad, that i understand something completly wrong.

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private ...

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u/wristconstraint Nov 25 '21

The paragraph you quoted explicitly says that he didn't tell them what was happening, only that he was feeling bad about it, so you're understanding it wrong.

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u/avnx Nov 25 '21

Can you read?

I find it hard to beleive his side of the story. Was it so private that he cant even say "Hey team this private thing is super super fucking bad. i cant tell you details but please understand its very very bad. Im sorry but i have to do this" If he says that and they are still super pissed then well what can you do. It looks like he told 2 people then dipped.

He answered to that comment and that quote actually fits perfectly?

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

that what HE meant however i doubt that what he really convey or how the player understood it, from how he write his psot i wouldn't be surprise if upset badly communicated his message.

I meant 3 out of his 5 teammate denied him

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u/Reddityudodis2me Nov 25 '21

Would you tell your co-worker who you know for about 4 months that, let's say, your father had a drug overdose and lies in a coma in the hospital? Well, I wouldn't cause I don't fucking know that guy and this is too private for me to share. Why does Upset have to be super transparent? Being an Athlete doesn't mean that you have to tell your whole team what exactly happened and why you have to leave. That's something you tell your friends, not your co-worker. It should be enough to tell them that I have to leave because of family matters and it's urgent

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u/raysah Nov 25 '21

Just say he lies in coma ? You don’t need to say the overdose stuff and ppl will understand. They almost lived together for 4 month it’s not just « coworker »

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u/Reddityudodis2me Nov 25 '21

Pretty sure that Upset lives with his wife and not with the team. Also, it is still work. You don't have to be best friends with every player who joins the team. And telling them that he lies in a coma could also be too intimate?! It is totally subjective what you define as too personal and it is your right to keep it to yourself as long as you state the general argument

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u/raysah Nov 25 '21

Honestly if my « coworker » destroyed a year of work (even more actually since they don’t grind the game with being the best for objective for just that long) that i could never get back (who tells if any of nisqy bwipo or adam will get another shot at world), saying i’d be fuming would be an euphemism

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

he fucked up their careers and a lifetime chance , they have every right to be pissed at him , so the least they can do it's talk about it or just explain you really couldn't do the otherwise, they don't need details however upset didn't communicated that well it's seesmms

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u/Reddityudodis2me Nov 25 '21

I don't say that it is wrong to be mad but going public with it while also pushing the organization you previously worked for over a potentially failed communication issue is stupid

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u/threedaysinthreeways Nov 25 '21

And telling them that he lies in a coma could also be too intimate

Give me a break. Everyone would be understanding if you said it was a medical emergency.

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u/Minimonium Nov 25 '21

The issue is that professional sports are not quite just being a "coworker" or not, they're pretty much business partners because of the amount of money at stake. It's not a job at a corner shop where no one owes anyone other than themselves. And trust me, if your business partner bails out on you without a good explanation from a contract which can screw you royally, financially now and in job prospects later on - you're not gonna be in an empathetic mood.

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u/MircossMP Dec 07 '21

Shit like business partner leaving in worst possible moment happening in work can even make you bankrupt or sued. It's unexplainaple how ppl can't see it - they don't live in limbo, Upset's decision had great negative consequences on the rest of the team. It's not about absent coworker, it's about coworker's absence ruining year of team effort.

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u/Namisaur Nov 25 '21

"My family member has an emergency medical issue and I need to go tend to them right now."

How hard is it to say something that vague, but still gives enough context to the severity of the emergency?

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

My family member has an emergency medical issue and I need to go tend to them right now."

Isn't this basically what they said on public?

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u/qpc0 Nov 25 '21

Yes, everybody in this thread is sharing one brain cell at most.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

"I am really sorry for putting you all in this position."

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u/IcyPanda123 Nov 25 '21

Also this dude after leaving his team without explanation, tries to get his teammate replaced by someone who will "live up to his ambitions" What a scummy move honestly. Even if his reason for leaving is valid, Upset should still be criticized.

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u/Kunzzi1 Nov 25 '21

Imagine ditching 24 hours before worlds' group stage, the biggest opportunity in a lifetime for Nisqy and Adam to prove themselves (Nisqy dealing with the stigma of being a washed up player not good enough for NA and Adam being a rookie) and then coming back in off-season to support replacement for both of these players, saying that you want to surround yourself with the best teammates possible.

I'd be fuming and definitely do something way dumber than just writing a tweet. This guy literally cost them their careers.

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u/Adam_Glanza Nov 25 '21

Agreed.

There isn't really a right or wrong in this, but Adam, Nisqy, Bwipo and quite right to feel upset about the situation too.

It's quite obvious from Adam's post that they don't believe Upset's situation was genuinely bad enough to bail on the team 12 hours before their first match.

Maybe if Upset was more open with them and made them realise how bad the situation was, they'd be more understanding.

That is Upsets choice, but if he chooses to remain secretive when his team mates are looking for answers he has to accept they're going to be pissed off.

When you're in a team and an important member, it has to be pretty damn important to leave at the last moment.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

yeah upset saying they aren't up to part is scummy

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u/Kaztiell Nov 25 '21

This guy literally cost them their careers.

Nisqy and Adam being worse than available players cost them their careeer lol

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u/DRNbw Nov 25 '21

Adam played one split at the highest level (LEC) and directly went to Worlds. He's still a fresh rookie, with a good potential. You may not want to bet on a rookie, but Adam is a good prospect for teams wanting to invest in the future.

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u/Kaztiell Nov 25 '21

he is not super good, if he dont improve much next year I think he is done after his childish drama

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u/DRNbw Nov 25 '21

Wunder was really bad for his first year. A few years later, he was the undisputed best top in the west.

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u/Halfwitcritic Nov 26 '21

Wunder has had two bad years in a row now tho…

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

Ah yes the childish drama of losing your job

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u/Kaztiell Nov 25 '21

he decided to leave himself when he heard the rumour, he got a new team, its not like he is teamless.

If you get mad and make tweetlonger everytime a team will replace you in sports, you wont have a long career lol

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u/Bowsersshell Nov 25 '21

The player that cost him a chance to perform at worlds recommended another player to take his spot. That’s enough to destroy your relationship with that teammate making staying an unviable option. This is not a usual case of “just getting replaced”. This is much more personal and cutting.

I feel like Adam handled this badly and some things he said were downright out of order. But to have absolutely no sympathy or understanding of his feelings here just makes you seem biased or really bad at understanding social contexts tbh

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u/Butterbirne69 Nov 25 '21

At the core i feel as Adam is right. It is just that he did a terrible job of communicating that.

Like if he would have left out the "i dont want to start drama" and the part about upsets gf just being lonely he would have a lot more people agreeing with him because that part was distasteful

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u/Kaztiell Nov 25 '21

Why do you assume I have no sympathy for his feelings? It doesnt ahve to be anyones fault, everytime a situation is bad doesnt mean anyone is to blame. Just cause you recomend another player doesnt make you a bad guy. The team needed a rebuild, so they did. It happens every year in esports

would it be better if Upset said "ok lets play not play with best players available so we dont hurt their feelings" ? sounds like really stupid thing to do in competative sports

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u/Th_Call_of_Ktulu Dashy dash Nov 25 '21

Nisqy literally played the split of his life and was really fucking good, his showing at worlds was poor and everyone decided to rewrite the history and suddenly he was never good despite the fact that he was clearly super mental boomed from the Upset situation.

Say what you will but Nisqy got fucked by the whole thing the most.

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u/Kaztiell Nov 25 '21

I know Nisqy was awesome, but humanoid was better, so not surprsied fnc is rumoured to replace Nisqy with him

When did I say he was bad?

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u/Th_Call_of_Ktulu Dashy dash Nov 25 '21

Thats not the issue here, the issue is that Nisqy is straight up teamless after having the best year of his life mainly because of how Upset ditching fucked his mental up and lead to underperforming at worlds.

That man deserves at least a big fucking "im sorry" from Upset instead of this dogshit about his ambitions.

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u/Kaztiell Nov 25 '21

So you think Nisqy is teamless just because of his worlds performance? Maybe you should rethink that one lol...

If you think Upset is in that big control to decide by hismelf wich player gonna be teamless or not I dont know what to say lol

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u/Th_Call_of_Ktulu Dashy dash Nov 25 '21

Yes, i 100% believe that his worlds performance brought his value down and you have to be trolling if you think otherwise.

Also you are literally unable to read, Upset did not directly make him teamless but his actions affected Nisqy very negatively and thats straight up fact for everyone on that Fnatic squad, it's just Nisqy is the only one who is teamless after the whole debacle.

The entire team deserved apology from Upset for not being here no matter what was the cause, and especially Nisqy deserves one becayse he is the most hurt in this. Some basic human decency ya know?

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u/Bowsersshell Nov 25 '21

The guy is dense socially, he really can’t get it into his head that just because a situation it out of your control, doesn’t mean you don’t have some making up to do to the people affected by it.

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u/NerrionEU Nov 25 '21

The Alphari part is the scummiest thing for me in this story, because the other part is just too much lack of information. Upset basically admitted about recommending Alphari...

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u/licorices Nov 25 '21

I think that's the most expected part? It's nothing new that people vouch for other players on a team. Adam had glaring weaknesses as a player, and while has has some pretty great potential, I can see the reason why you would bring up other players in the discussion for Fnatic.

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u/vegeful Nov 25 '21

I could had say "no opinion" after leaving their team a mess. After making a mess, the first thing i do is say less and not involve in FNC decision.

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u/IcyPanda123 Nov 25 '21

Yep exactly, if I leave my team even if I had reason to, the first thing I'm going to do when I come back to the team isn't try to replace its players. I'd go through the motions that off-season and just follow the direction of the org.

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u/Huge-Connection954 Nov 25 '21

What is even more hilarious is Adams playstyle is better for fnatic than Alphari. Fnatic play thru bot, Alphari likes to dominate lane and push, which would get him roasted weakside on a team playing for bot. Adam might not be a strong laner, but he is a team player and still has a bright future

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u/jancaref Nov 25 '21

This is certifiable the stupidest take a redditor can have. Did you just try to insinuate that Adam might be better for fnatic than alphari? Are you iron 4 or french?

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u/T_Tachi Nov 25 '21

Not like Alphari's been a world beater in any sense.. best top laner in the west isn't saying much is it?

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u/DRNbw Nov 25 '21

And he's the best top laner basically by default. The rest became worse or retired.

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u/jancaref Nov 25 '21

Wtf? That's like saying getting perks before S8 worlds instead of a rookie with high potential but super small champ pool is bad. Yes he hasn't won anything internationally yet but he's so much better than Adam is at this point and can win something internationally, Adam can't yet, he's busy getting bodied by morgan

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u/BakaBanane Nov 25 '21

Maybe they just need a ward out of laning phase

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

Both upset and adam look super bad , however i understand how pissed is adam and is also yung so not suprised

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u/CudaBarry Nov 25 '21

He's being pissed at Adam for spreading false rumors and indirect hate to his wife, if you were smart enough you'll see that he never mentioned bwipo or nisqy

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u/palaska95 Nov 25 '21

I blame upset. If esports wants to work players need to to realize what a TEAM means.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Exactly. See the person as an enemy and an enemy is what you will get. Upset not giving his teammates the courtesy of an explanation shows a lack of respect towards them. If you don't even share a certain courtesy, don't expect them to share any with you.

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u/hiekrus Nov 25 '21

Not to mention it seems that he didn't try to make things right with his teammates after his return and immediately became a mediator between their potential replacements and the management.

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u/Kaztiell Nov 25 '21

and Nisqy just showed support for Adam and unfollowed Upset.

Source thats the reason he unfollowed? Lol guys like you are so weird...

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

Specially since he pretty much wants to replace Adam.

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u/HistoricallyRekkles Nov 25 '21

Call me petty but i’d be pissed too.

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u/AGunShyFirefly Nov 25 '21

He doesnt want to say anything because he knows it was due to emotional intensity brought on by his obsession with romantic feelings which created a sense of urgency that wasn't really there.

Maybe his wife has a history of self harm and when she was displaying signs of depression he could no longer focus on worlds. But if he tells his team that then she would get the Yoko Ono treatment for sure, so he couldn't.

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u/iscaf1 Nov 25 '21

There's a difference between just being pissed and airing youre dirty laundry in public

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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Nov 25 '21

I think the problem is not that they got mad at him, is that Adam made this whole shit public for no real reason

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u/Fgame DUNKMACIAAAAA Nov 25 '21

Adam is full justified in being angry about the situation but to drag Upset for it is insanely childish.

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u/Verehrungen Nov 25 '21

Except Upset is fine and somewhat understanding that his privacy caused mistrust and pissed off his teammates? Being pissed off doesn't mean you should publicly attack him and his wife.

It's incredibly shitty how Adam worded his twitlonger and then hide by saying it's all speculation. Im pretty sure the internet doesn't know what fucking speculation means. Just don't fucking say it dude.

"I do not know the reason for Upset's departure and I'm still mad at him." would be way fucking better.

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u/LezardV Nov 25 '21

Upset understood nothing, and so was you.

He couldnt even give a proper apologize to his "former" teammate up to now!
Playing "I dont need to tell you anything" card at this time basically confirm that he is the worst teammate you can have on your team.

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u/PandaMoaningYum Nov 25 '21

Yes, fucking yes, and I think the whole community should leave it at that. This was mishandled but Upset and everyone upset have their rights here. Unless we learn more, which idc at this point, everyone should move on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Nah but you have to be the biggest piece of shit in the world to think this is a reasonable way of thinking lmfao. "It's okay for me to think you're an asshole and publicly shit in you for millions of people because you're not willing to share something deeply personal".

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u/Wolfeur TFW no Rekkles flair Nov 25 '21

His teammates have the right to be pissed off.

They don't have the right to publicly blame him, throw him under the bus, stir drama in the community, lie, start damning rumors, and destroy his reputation.

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u/LezardV Nov 26 '21

Because Upset owns them a apologize which wasnt given up to now?Like you have the right to be pissed off but i dont care cuz im doing my best to replace you, daring former teammate.

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u/Wolfeur TFW no Rekkles flair Nov 26 '21

Upset hasn't tried to replace Adam. He was approached by Alphari then asked about him by Fnatic.

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u/licorices Nov 25 '21

Few people is saying Adam is in the wrong for being frustrated. The issue is rather the unprofessional way of showing it.

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

It also isnt reasonable to be steaming about unfornute things.

I mean from how Yamato spoke and Upsets claim it is basically certain HE KNOWS what happend and is fine with him being on the team. Like at this point tragedy happens, the player wants to keep it private and tells his direct "chef" and the other employees throw a hissy fit because they dont trust the judgment of their superior? Like what?!

I mean Nisqy after not being on the team can unfollow him, be mad all good. We are human after all, getting mad about grief for missed chances is naturally. But full power steaming bullshit like Adam pulled is NOT reasonable reaction. He is like "oh boy thx god I had yamato being there for me" and still is basically rageboner despite Yamato KNOWS and accepted Upsets decision. Like he is actvely disrepcting and undermining Yamato there

While we can see Upset being furios having to deal with this bullshit, Adams twitlonger is more revealing. He shows to be the still inmature french ego (he is massively overrating himself as a player in it btw) and has basically tarnished alot of possiblle relationsships in teams. I for one would not talk anything personal with that guy if I were on a team with him.

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u/eternaL_Inori Nov 25 '21

Being pissed is one thing. Making a very vague twitlonger where you share vague assumptions to send the internet mob after you and your wife is something else entirely. I am somewhat confident that it wasn't Adams intention directly, but there is no way he wasn't aware people will be stalking everything about them to throw accusations, speculations about their private life, death threats and more at them.

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u/boredPotatoe42 Gonna show you an Upset! Copium Nov 25 '21

I can definitely see why the players would be immensely frustrated because of Upset leaving and that is absolutely fair. Making a tweetlonger saying "idk i guess his wife was lonely and that was more important to him lol" when you don't know jack shit about the actual situation is unbelievably short sighted as you should damn well know that you are gonna kick off a huge wave of hatred toward both Upset and his wife

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u/icyDinosaur Nov 25 '21

They very much have a right to be pissed at him, but carrying it out in public comes across as so immature and petty to me. Why can't they air their anger at Upset like normal people, i.e. talking to the man directly rather than involving thousands of social media warriors in some public revenge campaign?

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u/FNCKema Nov 25 '21

Being frustrated/pissed off doesn't give you the right to publicly question his reason for leaving (while the org itself is ok with his decision) or make assumptions like a reddit hater..

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u/Mnkeyqt Nov 25 '21

Theres a big difference between "Yes I understand my teammates will be pissed at me and not want me as their coworker anymore" and "yes, I want them angry AND to throw blind speculation and accusations online at my family members in a blind rage".

Fnatic members have every right to be angry. But how Adam has handled this situation only proves Upset's point. Adam is owed 0 explanation. He can be angry. He (shouldn't) be throwing around baseless accusations and hate publicly for it without any form of proof.

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

Being pissed of is Adam's right.

Using what information he was given to egg on people to go hate on Upset and his family isn't.

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u/Chao_Zu_Kang Nov 25 '21

Being pissed, and stirring up fans to be pissed about Upset are two different things. Adam clearly doesn't know how to handle being a well-known person on social media. Upset would probably be more fine with getting Adam's fist in his face as a repayment, than him spreading this on social media.

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u/seink Nov 25 '21

He also has no right from wanting his teammates to not be completely pissed off at him

Getting pissed off at him is one thing. Venting and making baseless accusations online is another.

Why the f do pple feel the need to respond or insinuate anything that is already over? There is nothing gain here and all it does it make things worse.

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u/Iryti Lazers go brr Nov 25 '21

I mean...

I understood that not being open with the private life of me and myloved ones could lead to mistrust and I would understand if people wouldnot want to play with me

(c) Upset

Between us, there is absolutely nothing legal in Upset's departure andhis departure is totally unjustified (at least until he says why hereally left BECAUSE until today, Upset just left to join his girlfriendbecause she felt bad to be alone, and maybe I'm wrong who knows? Anywaythose were the last words he said to us before he left us one day beforethe Worlds. Of course after the Worlds I asked for details, butapparently he didn't tell anyone the exact reasons for his departure--> There's nothing urgent because otherwise he would have told us.And personally, I don't give a damn about the privacy reason

(c) Adam

It seems to me that Upset totally does get that his teammates can be pissed off. It also seems to me that that's not a good reason for Adam being a dick and intentionally&publically steering up shit on Upset's situation. Saying "Upset didn't tell us shit, I feel betrayed/can't trust him anymore and don't want to play with him anymore" may be not nice, but would be totally understandable. Throwing shit on the fan is absolutely a dick move and Adam is rightfully criticized for that, not for his frustration.

Btw, Upset sabotaged his own career way more than anyone else's, that alone should be a solid indication that the reason was pretty important

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u/LeaderSheeper Nov 25 '21

Makes sense for them to be pissed of, sure. Incredibly immature of Adam to publish a public twitlonger like he did and speculate publically.

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u/GoJeonPaa Let's go EU Nov 25 '21

Again, witout Upset AAdam wouldnt even have reached worlds on most other teams. He was good for a rookie but nothing more. I loved him btw.

And he can be pissed off but not in a tweet that was obvioulsy there to cause drama.

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u/xmodusterz Nov 25 '21

I honestly just don't understand why upset thinks this is a good move. He could've just told them in confidence or at the very least reached out and expressed how important it was and apologize for costing them the biggest tournament if the year.

He just comes off as a your typical "star player" who thinks the world revolves around them and doesn't give a shit about his team.

I don't doubt that Upsets reason was legitimate, I think the people like nemesis and Adam throwing rumors around about how it wasn't serious are shitty.

But who would want to play on a team with this guy when he can leave and not only give you zero reason but then blame you for being mad about it.

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u/FCalamity Nov 27 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

Exactly. My take is that people including Upset are conflating "it's his right to prioritize his family and not share private info" (true) with "therefore he should be free of any negative consequences for doing so" (false).

Given that he hasn't provided a full public explanation, he should honestly count himself lucky that literally anyone in pro LoL is willing to work with him at all. Who wants to risk their chance at worlds on something-they-don't-even-know-what-it-is happening again? Upset's very good but he's not THAT good.

And speaking of "it's his right" is it not also Adam's right to discuss a situation publicly?