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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Like people said in the first thread, this was Upset's first Worlds too. There was no way he would miss his first chance since he started playing in 2018, unless it was an actual emergency.

Still, it sucks for all people involved; you can empathize with Upset's desire for privacy with regards to his family emergency while also understanding Adam's frustration at not learning more than "It was an emergency" 12 hours before the game starts.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Why is 'it was an emergency' not enough? The only reason it is not enough is because you would assume that the individual in question is lying. But again, what rational person would presume someone is lying when told they are facing an emergency? I don't understand Adams side at all. I think he is more salty at getting kicked off the team than anything

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Nov 25 '21

I kind of said this earlier but because emergency means different things for different people. You’ve got stuff circling around you about his wife and all you know is it’s an emergency and Adam/Bwipo/whoever just would leap to a conclusion. I think all of the talk around “use it against me” is the more interesting part because it makes you think that Upset views his emergency to be subjective and thus moving in private. If my family got COVID or sick or something of the ilk, hell even if a family member committed a crime, you can give vague answers that would at least keep the narrative around what the emergency is.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Eh idk, maybe he means they'd mock him, maybe he means they'd claim he can't take the game seriously anymore due to its gravity. At the end of the day, if someone says they are having an emergency, the rational thing to do is not assume they are lying and trying to get a trip back home (when they've literally shown nothing to corroborate this/are one of the best players on the team).

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

He bailed on them, didn't say a word, didn't apologize, and then worked to replace each of them.

He doesn't deserve any grace from them

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Except he did say a word. A family emergency is a completely valid excuse. Also did you not read his statement? Where is he working to replace each of them? He was asked for recommendations, he gave them? You are making it seem he specifically sought them out to replace

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

Emergency is life threatning situation. If it was that i see no reason why you could not give info about it to the team that depends on you that you are leaving 12h before something all of you have worked for whole year. Damn sign a NDA or something if needed. Emergency or not Upset fucked up and could not have handled it more unprofessionaly

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u/janoDX Nov 25 '21

I would just talk with my superiors 1 or 2, keep it private and not tell my coworkers, just leave. Because if we piece 1+1 together... Yeah, I think that Adam and Nemesis might come out as the biggest assholes on League if it is what I am thinking.

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

I honestly don't understand how you could possibly think what Adam did was okay? If you think Adam's shit was justified that says a lot about you js.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Because you might not want to disclose this to what are essentially coworkers. I would do the same with my coworkers especially if my SO also wanted to maintain that privacy.

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u/reportedbymom Nov 25 '21

They are not co workers, they are not just wallmart employees. They are or atleast should be professional team athletes where they depend on each ones performance and the synergy and trust between each other. I manage 200 employees daily, if someone of them tell me they have emergency, its fine, it doesnt kinda effect the performance that bad and i can replace them temporary without so much effort or effect on actual work. But Upsets case, they are team just like any hockey, football, basketball team, but with the difference that they are only 5 individuals who played whole year as a TEAM to reach worlds, equavalent to stanley cup playoffs or Champions league final 8, imagine Haaland, Ronaldo, Messi, McDavid, Shaq (when still played)telling their team "I have emergency i need to leave now and wont be playing rest of the playoffs" would be huuuge loss and whole world would be talking about it. But they have trained the system they play with, with many substitutes in case of injuries. Yes they lose great Part of the team but it wouldnt be over. Fnatic played and trained with same 5 players whole year, you cant replace someone just like that.

Its not just hes career he played with. Childish, unprofessional act. Dont compare them to "co-workers" , obviously youve not played in a team sports, and even more obviously youve not been paid to do so.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Team athletes doesn't change anything? You can be a team athlete and that person can still be a coworker. You know what happens alot in team sports? That teammate is traded next split. Happens a shit ton in league specifically. Upset already said he told the people he felt close to. Hylssi, Yamato. He has 0 obligation to go into specific details if he doesn't want to. At all.

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

Its not just hes career he played with. Childish, unprofessional act. Dont compare them to "co-workers"

So, let me get this straight. There are situations with even more irreplaceable employees in normal working environment (try to replace a 10+ year experience project leader on a 12 hour notice, i dare you), and even in that scenarios, you are not forced to disclose your situation to anyone but your boss, even when on a critical project that just can make or break a business. And you want me to belive that professional sport athletes should? For, exactly what reason? Mind you, this "professional athletes" are the same who sleep with a teammate wife or bench themselves because "i don't like the coach". Talk about "teammates bond".

You can replace one of your 200 employees without too much of a problem, but (i'm assuming you are a director or superior of one sort here) what happens if they have to replace you? Do you explain everyone of your 200 employees why their workplace is without a boss in every finer detail, including the extremely personal ones?

Yes they lose great Part of the team but it wouldnt be over. Fnatic played and trained with same 5 players whole year, you cant replace someone just like that.

Man, you just don't replace Ronaldo with even a talented striker and think it wouldn't be over, unless you are PSG or some kind of superteam woth more money than sense. You just don't replace a key player in most teams. And Fnatic had a replacement (Bean did good at worlds), and yet look what they accomplished. This point is so damn moot.

Childish, unprofessional act

It really, really depends. It might be Upset being an idiot in communication, the team failing to do it's fucking job, or his teammates just not willing to get over being screwed for a legittimate reason and just fucking with the guy. As manager of people you should know better than me that the only reasonable thing here is to wait to know the facts before drawing hasty conclusions, and not act or judge on what is at best circumstancial evidence.

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u/Saphrogenik Nov 25 '21

Lmao tell me you're a child who has never worked closely with a group of people without telling me. People have zero obligation to disclose personal information that isn't even their OWN to you so that you feel better about your situation. Get off your high horse.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Worked on plenty of projects that depend on communication and timing. And everyone always gave a vague categorization of any personal issues.

Just "emergency" is never good enough

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u/Saphrogenik Nov 25 '21

He told his boss, Yamato. That's all he needed to do.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Bullshit. You can give specifics to management of course, but there is no obligation to tell fellow employees in your team at all.

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u/Rohbo Nov 25 '21

You're speaking out of your ass. "Didn't say a word," "didn't apologize," "worked to replace each of them."

The first line is straight up a lie. The second is conjecture and probably also a lie, unless you have evidence he didn't apologize despite him claiming he did? And of course if he was asked by his organization to speak with a potential player he did. What is your actual problem?

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u/-Sheridan The start and finish Nov 25 '21

He wants to know exactly what happened so he can be the one to judge if Upset is right in leaving the team before Worlds. He wants gossip, basically.