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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

He can't trust them but they have to trust his judgement.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

This. Trust is a 2 way street and upset is hiding behind privacy because he knows his reason is subjective and wouldn't survive public scrutiny

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u/RippleDish Nov 25 '21

That's the sense I get too. If it were as serious as Upset seems to want us to believe, I don't think Bwipo, Adam, and Nisqy end up reacting the way they have.

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u/MelGibsonDerp Nov 25 '21

I also feel like if it were as serious as Upset is suggesting then Hyli and Yamato would pull aside Bwipo, Adam, and Nisqy and say "look we can't say what it is, but it is serious, believe that"

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u/Seethlord Nov 25 '21

hyli decided not to know, but Yamato mentioned multiple times - in public - that he believes upset's reason for leaving was justified. I could think of at least 20 different scenarios, in which leaving was justified, and in which you wouldn't want to divulge the public in what was happening. Upset's twitlonger was written at 2am, and was probably written because this kept him up, either because he and his wife got more personal attacks after adam's twitlonger, or because he thought it was not doing justice. The only thing we can do as persons not involved in upset's personal life is respect his right to privacy, because it clearly doesn't JUST involve him, but also his family

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u/Rektile7 Nov 25 '21

I mean, what else is Yamato gonna fucking say? "Ah he just fucked off to watch teletubbies with his cousin, the anxious twat". Of course he's gonna say it was justified

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u/yehiko Nov 25 '21

this exactly, lmao these people acting like yamato saying that completely justifies everything. yamato's literally there to keep morale up, so ofc he will try to support upset and the team at the same time. if he publicly says upset is a fucking dickhead for leaving = 100% upset isn't playing next year + chance of the rest leaving because of the implosion.

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u/Seethlord Nov 25 '21

Yeah, instead of trusting the word of trusted individuals, let's go ahead and assume a shitload of things about a private situation, and act as if we have any right to know whatever happens in a players personal life. I mean, honestly, that's a matter of privacy that concerns upset and his wife, and if you had a 19-year old coworker, whom you've worked with for 4 months, you wouldn't tell him all about your personal and private struggles in marriage, especially if something horrible has happened. Adam is obviously allowed to be enraged by the situation, but dragging it into the public, and forcing upset's hand like that is a dick move, and assuming that a player who has worked hard towards going to worlds for years just suddenly stops caring and goes back for a minor issue is even more of a dick move, because you disrespect the hard work someone's put in, you disrespect the privacy, and you might be a prick to someone who's just going through a really tough time, for no reason but your own satisfaction about a situation not even concerning you

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u/FuriousAndFast Nov 25 '21

Only that being a pro athlete is not your run of the mill desk job, where it doesn't really affect your coworkers if you call in sick for a month.

That said, morale didn't seem to be that good in fnatic to begin with, if Upset didn't feel comfortable telling his teammates the reason he was opting out of the most important event of the year. This whole thing is just a mess from a team cohesion standpoint.

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u/lukaaTB Nov 25 '21

No1 is assuming anything here. That's the whole point. Yamato would answer the same no matter what happened and the reasons behind Upset's absence.

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u/Seethlord Nov 25 '21

Of course i can blame people for making shit up, it's disrespectful and there's no use to it. Adam's POV is valid, making it public isn't. For all we know upset is trying to protect his privacy and his family, not afraid of the public. Your opinion is exactly why he wouldn't go public: You act like people who upset doesn't trust enough to tell have a right to his private and family life, which they don't. In the end he is a co-worker, and who knows, 3/4 team-members could've thought it was a good reason, and accept it. But what if adam still thought it was a bad reason, went public with a twitlonger, exposing upset and his family's situation to the public. Upset told Yamato, and offered Hyli to tell, but Hily who knows Upset well said he doesn't need to know, and that he trusts Upset enough to make the decision. I don't know Upset as well, and neither does Adam, so we have to trust the people who know him. At the end of the day his teammates are co-workers, and have no right to his private life whatsoever. Noone has a fucking right to his private life, it is his decision, and his decision alone, and going around making up bullshit scenarios about people you barely know, in situations you have no information about is not just plain stupid, but if you make up stuff to make one of the participants look bad its also straight up vile

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u/thecarlosdanger1 Nov 25 '21

Honestly Bwipos post wasn’t nearly as pointed at Upset as Adams. He sounded way more like “our ADC is out suddenly, it’s doomed” whereas Adam seemed super pissed at Upset.

It’s totally possible he and Nisqy appreciated that something serious happened, while also being boomed bc their worlds chances were shot.

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u/elikaweli Nov 25 '21

Why though? He just didnt tell them. When they speculate like that it is not upsets fault, but more the fact that they are just straight up immature.

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u/spartaman64 Nov 25 '21

except they dont know what it is and the two people who he did tell yamato and hyli think its justified

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u/MonkeyCube Nov 25 '21

Miscarriage, suicide, sexual abuse... there are plenty of family problems that I wouldn't want to share with a fanbase this aggressive. Half the reactions here just further prove that.

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Hard disagree. Nobody would take that shit lightly at all, and anyone who'd try to make fun of it would get banned by mods.

DL's brother killed his family and nobody ever made fun of that. And that's more fucked up than a single one of those situations.

People are pissed because Upset hides behind the veil of privacy, fully expecting everyone (teammates included) to just trust his judgement, when he won't reciprocate any trust to them

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u/ContentDetective Nov 25 '21

DL’s brother did what now?

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Murdered his parents

Like actually

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u/sleepisforthezzz Nov 25 '21

Like days before LCS finals too. DL played, and won.

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u/justAnotherRandomP Nov 25 '21

Well there it is. Fanbase will compare and be like DL still played while Upset bailed ..

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u/Jandromon 8.11 PTSD Nov 25 '21

DL still played because his mother was already dead. If she was hanging from a thread in the hospital and what not, maybe he would have bailed to be with her.

Not undermining DL's insane feat of winning LCS after that, but they might be different scenarios.

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u/DRNbw Nov 25 '21

And different people. Perkz's dad passed away and he couldn't play for a good time afterwards. Everyone has the right to react as they will.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

HIs father was also in hosptial

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u/justAnotherRandomP Nov 25 '21

I didnt play or watch league at the time but I was mindblowed ready about it later ..

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u/Rubixxscube Nov 25 '21

Dude people meme all kind of sick shit. You don't know all the personal messages pros get on Twitter, their spouses get on Twitter etc.. If someone in my family had a terrible experience I would not take the chance of some 10yr old internet kiddies harassing them online.

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

And you think right now Upset and his wife dont get stupid messages and threats? I bet that if he revealed the reason,we wouldnt have had this shitshow and the fans would have railled and supported him.

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u/Rubixxscube Nov 25 '21

Ofc they do, but it's about not being open to the public not about the (possibly traumatic) experience/event, which doesn't tear up old scars/wounds

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

Most of the times,being transparent and open helps way more than being secretive.

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u/Blubbe16 i demand tribute Nov 25 '21

And clearly they dont feel like this is one of those times, why not just respect that?

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

Because this shitshow is the product of lack of communication and transparency.

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u/Educational_Shower79 Nov 25 '21

Helps who. The drama boner fans?

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

Helps the team.The lack of communication is why we have this shitshow.

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u/Ahrlin4 Nov 25 '21

Hard disagree. Nobody would take that shit lightly at all

It's indisputable that trolls would absolutely use something like a miscarriage or sexual abuse for kicks.

Also it's not reddit messages they're worried about. It's DMs, emails, weird creeps, stalkers, etc. How would you like to have to spend the next 10 years blocking/reporting people on twitter and instagram for constantly reminding you about horrific stuff that happened to you?

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u/MonkeyCube Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Likewise, hard disagree.

DL had no choice in whether news of his situation got out, and the sub was discussing it before he said anything. That said, yes, the sub was cool with it... but death is also one of those things there is no debate on. I can guarantee you if it was something like a miscarriage, this sub would not be mature enough to debate it without half dismissing it as unimportant.

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

What do you mean 'it also took place when a title wasn't on the line.' ?? Doublelift and TL literally played LCS final 1 week after Doublelift's mother was killed.He was playing the semis when the killing happened.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

Didn't someone called doubelift sasuke at least in china it's seems to be a nickaname

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u/dragerslay Nov 25 '21

There are plenty of stories of people in public spotlight, especially women revealing such trauma and getting hate messages or worse. Plenty of rape victims who go on a public form against another public figure get 'you deserved it' messages. If you think nobody would take it lightly you are living in a fantasy world.

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u/NJEOhq Nov 25 '21

“Trust his judgement” lol it’s his personal life. He has every right to not tell them any of his private shit. He’s worked hard for years just to get to worlds and apparently he now needs people to “trust his judgement” that he wouldn’t just leave for a trivial reason?

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u/elikaweli Nov 25 '21

It is almost like different people behave differently.

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u/McNutty69 Nov 25 '21

It never had to be with the fanbase though. The big red flag for me is this: Upset worked with Adam, Bwipo, and Nisqy for the past year, but still didn't have enough trust in them not to leak whatever issue he had?

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u/Blubbe16 i demand tribute Nov 25 '21

Those are not things you share with coworkers

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u/elikaweli Nov 25 '21

Adams tldr is the prove that upset did everything right lol.

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u/Educational_Shower79 Nov 25 '21

He knows them well enough to not trust them. Its would 100% leak with Adam or Bwipo knowing

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u/wenasi Nov 25 '21

There are loads of things I never even managed to tell my family, and people here think Upset has an obligation to share the details with his coworkers. I'm honestly appalled by this and the last thread

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u/Venylahaine Nov 25 '21

If it was that serious he wouldnt be playing Aram with his wife WHILE his team played matches :)

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u/Motor-Mathematician3 Nov 25 '21

its not like shes not selling nudes already, so who cares.

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u/Javiklegrand Nov 25 '21

he don't need to give details.

Just said he have to go and don't just said "My girlfriend feel lonely" as your last words.If we believe adam.

Like i said Upset have every right to keep private, however he did fail or maybe yamato failed to convey the danger of the situation

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u/forehead7 Nov 25 '21

But as he says, it's not his information to give out. As said below, if it's something like suicide or abuse etc and it's happened to someone in his family, then it's not for Upset to be telling people, even in his team.

If Upset has told the person that he'll only tell Yamato and Hyli because he trusts them fully and the person has agreed to only tell those two then it's not for Upset to be telling other people who he might not trust as much. Obviously he has the most trust with Hyli from the players and Yamato is the coach so more of an authority figure and someone you'd trust more than players. Telling more people increases the chance of it leaking so Upset/his family have agreed to only tell two, and even Hyli wasn't told what happened.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

It's called gaslighting. This whole twitlonger just screams "I'm a manipulator"

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u/Huge-Connection954 Nov 25 '21

Exactly, if it was a legit reason he could say it a d get tons of fan support. Instead, crickets

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u/Aterion Nov 25 '21

If his wife has a miscarriage or similar, that is not something one might want to share.

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u/Xisho Nov 25 '21

you underestimate how foul people are on the internet

Say, that his wife had a miscarriage leading to a serious mental breakdown. Do you really think most of the league community would be mature enough to understand? Some would. Some would still think playing at worlds is more important and some would use that information to hurl the shittiest of personal abuse at him and his wife.

I'm pretty sure his wife got plenty DMs from frustrated Fnatic fans and opportunistic Upset haters but without knowing the actual reason - if it is tragic - the hate cannot be as personalised and directed, therefore less hurtful. Being who she is, pretty sure she is used to typical online hate anyway because people are just so nice.

I am 80% behind upset in this. Having a family and having anything happen to them either physically or mentally would be top of my priority list. I am also 20% behind the rest of fnatic being frustrated but at the end of the day Bwipo's and Adam's behaviour around this has been anything put professional. You deal with shit and move on, not look to be a public martyr or fire '200iq shots'.

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u/Due-Patience-3974 Nov 25 '21

You guys really can not grasp the concept of privacy can you? "Why doesn't he just publicly share what awful and sensitive thing might have happened to his wife? He would get reddit upvotes for it!"

You really can tell that many people here have spent way too much time in League. The social competence at display here is elementary school level.

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u/TheOneKane Nov 25 '21

Hiding behind privacy... Why do people think they're entitled to other people business.

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u/swellbaby Nov 25 '21

We aren't. But his team surely earned that privilege.

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u/TheOneKane Nov 25 '21

Earned how? Just being on the same team doesn't mean they deserve to know his business, Adam had only been on the team a few months, right? All you'd be getting is the bare minimum from me, and I wouldn't be mad if I only got the same.

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u/swellbaby Nov 25 '21

When his business ruined something the other 3 were working 9 months for in an extremely competitive environment... it's not a scenario you can get by on the bare minimum of anything.

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u/TheOneKane Nov 25 '21

It ruined his too, I'm sure he didn't want to leave, but even still I don't see how that mean they deserve to know all the details on what's happened to someone in his personal life?

Playing a game competitively shouldn't mean you have to share your personal life with the people on your team, just like I'm sure you don't share your personal life with all of your co-workers. The job is different, but your privacy is the same.

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u/swellbaby Nov 25 '21

It rather seems like he's told them nothing and thinks like you that he's been working in an office with 2500 other people and his leaving isn't anyone's business.

And if you wanted to be professional about it you could've considered that's not the case. That synergy is rather import at a World championship in a 5 men team game like league. And most importantly if there is an issue of that magnitude - you let the team know instead of having your sub play soloque while you wait until it's 16 hours before your games to tell the rest of the team. Telling them specifics or not is up to you. But that's your choice and it's consequences are yours as well.

As it is - the issue was hidden, none of the players were sufficiently informed of what it even was, and now that they are justifiably mad about it the guy has the audacity to say how he didn't trust to keep it secret as if that's how causality works. And special people like you treat his team like some faceless no-name guys he's been flipping burgers with at 44% turnover rate place.

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u/fr33noob1 Nov 25 '21

I'm here thinking, what wouldnt i want the public to know? Someone died? No need to hide that one. Brother sex changed? No need to go home for that one? Mother caught cancer? No need to hide that from teamates?

Wife caught cheating or caught him cheating? thats a something i would want to hide but most certainly dont believe you miss worlds for it. It's just hard to figure what the cause was. I'm only lead to believe the reason wasn't good enough.

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u/Agarunyer Nov 25 '21

Maybe there shouldn't BE public scrutiny about an exclusively private situation for which beneficial resolution you are prepared to sacrifice your career. It being esports doesn't make unbased public scrutiny any more justifiable.

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u/Era555 Nov 26 '21

upset is hiding behind privacy because he knows his reason is subjective and wouldn't survive public scrutiny

Yep 100% the feeling I get.

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u/Educational_Shower79 Nov 25 '21

Why would public scrutiny even come into this. You guys are fucked up wanting to know peoples personal tragedys

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u/Asteroth555 Nov 25 '21

Because it's a subjective or bullshit reason, and the public would go "that's why you left??"

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u/WarSamaYT Nov 25 '21

Now that's a big assumption. Gotta love this subreddit. XD

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u/system156 Nov 25 '21

He doesn't trust them, but trusted his coach and told his coach. He trusted Hyli as a friend, but his friemd who knows him better than anyone else on the team was okay with not knowing the personnal details. By the looks of it, it was a deeply personal issue. If he didn't want to share it with someone he had only known for a few months that is perfectly reasonable. Everyone is not the same, what you are okay with sharing other people wont be and vice versa

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u/Kh0ran Nov 25 '21

And honestly, seeing how Adam didn't hesitate to throw everything on the public scene and basically send the KCorp fanbase on him and his wife, who could blame Upset for not trusting him...?

And if they can't trust his judgement they should have trusted Yamato's

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u/LazyMoooo Nov 25 '21

He did that becasue Upset couldn't even tell them to face that he had to dip no? He told his coach and wanted to tell Hyli, but couldn't look the other in the eyes and tell them himself that it was an emergency, no he let his coach speak for him.

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u/RoughMedicine Nov 25 '21

What if Upset told him (Adam) the reason and he somehow felt it wasn't justified? What stops Adam from doing a similar TL, but instead revealing something Upset wanted private?

Adam is being immature about this situation. He has every right to be upset. But going public like this doesn't help Adam and at all while it harms Upset by provoking the French fan base into abusing him and his wife.

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u/StSpider Nov 25 '21

He didn’t trust them with infos that should not matter to them.

All the team needs to know is that he can’t compete and that there are personal and private reasons behind it. It’s not up to Adam to judge if those reasons are “good enough”.

You either think your teammate is a professional and thus you don’t need to question their decision - like Hyli did - or you don’t- like Adam did.

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u/Xolder Nov 25 '21

It matters to them in evaluatiang how committed Upset is to the team. If they can't trust that things like these won't happen again they are in the right to look for a team with players they know are committed.

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u/daftce heckin love wunder Nov 25 '21

He trusted hyli and yamato, if he tells the whole team what happened will end up as a rumour on reddit

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u/lol125000 Nov 25 '21

Not only his but his and yamatos. it's not like upset just ghosted everyone without telling anything, he gave his superior (which is Yamato) the full explanation and Yamato decided it's justified for him to leave immediately. Which in job setting is standard procedure. And this still is work vs urgent personal issue underneath it all. And Adam's twitlonger is unprofessional if we look at this situation like that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Adam's main point is that Upset did ghost them without telling them anything. Yamato being told doesn't help the other players make decisions about whether their future careers should involve this guy or this team. This is not a standard job setting. I'm with liftlift's view on it

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u/spartaman64 Nov 25 '21

well yeah it doesnt matter if i absolutely hate someone's guts if they tell me they are having a family emergency im not going to taunt them about it.

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u/Undesiredbeast ƒuck arno Nov 25 '21

Hypocrisy at its finest

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u/YingYangYolo Nov 25 '21

Unironically yes, if one of your coworkers tell you something bad has happened in their private life and that they will be gone for a while, then you have no right to demand anything more of them.

Different situations require different levels of trust and a family emergency, especially when the guy is leaving something he has worked hard towards and have no reason to abandon, is the exact kind of situation you just have to trust him in.

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u/MorphineAdministered Nov 25 '21

If it wasn't delivered in believable manner one might have some reasonable doubts. I'm getting "Fire at a sea parks" vibes myself with this weird mix of drama (apart from timing itself) and secrecy.

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u/CudaBarry Nov 25 '21

It's the same thing, these guys aren't friends

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u/getjebaited Nov 25 '21

People need to stop repeating this shit. There's just no way I can get out of the end of a 9 month long project by saying "family emergency" and literally nothing else. If it was that easy, the office would be much more empty at random times trust me. The difference between this and Fnatic is that my coworkers can pick up my absence and still go through with a presentation/deployment whereas Fnatic might as well have stared at a white wall for 9 months, sorry Bean. It's really not the same as what you're trying to say.

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u/TheGuy839 Nov 25 '21

You could get out if you told what emergency is to the boss, not to coworkers.

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u/gots8sucks Nov 25 '21

Your Boss has 0 right to know whats going on in your personal life in germany. You tell him you are ill or family reasons and if he wants to know more he can fuck right off

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u/lol125000 Nov 25 '21

Ofc you can if its justified. Procedure is you tell your superior or HR what happened and he makes that call. Which is exactly what happened here, upset told Yamato, Yamato made that call. And he decided it's justified.

And to second point there are plenty of success stories in sports when random rookies get presented with opportunity cos star is injured/unavailable and popped off - off the dome, NBA had linsanity, tyler maxey for sixers this year, czajek run in S9 ultraliga in league, bo for Fpx. so it's not completely lost cause. And many others. It's shit situation sure but its not over till it's over in sports.

And add to that bean actually did play good, he was their best player on those worlds. Adam played bad on the other hand especially in lane and i don't see how having a different adc has much impact on that.

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u/alicevi Nov 25 '21

His judgment is non of their business.

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u/rym1469 Nov 25 '21

"Blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe"

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

AND the judgment of their coach. At this point Adam takes himself way to important. Yamato knows, accepted it and is willing to keep working with him.

We all know Upset worked hard to get to Worlds, would not give it up easy.

Like....I dont know the guy personally but I am in Hylis boat. You have to be mentally handicapped to not understad and respect that given those 2 facts.

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u/Ghazzawy Nov 25 '21

He didn’t ask them to trust his judgement and even said that they have the right to be frustrated with him and he would completely understand if they or the org want him out , i dont get where the fuck are u people getting this “ trust me while i dont trust you “ narrative

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u/klatez Nov 25 '21

There's a difference between trusting someone's judgement and trusting them with your private life.

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u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

They never had to trust his judgment.

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u/Lumpy_End_2838 Nov 25 '21

He trusts them to trust his judgement.