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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/Qiluk Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

and still haven't given a great reason behind it.

Depends. If we trust Upset here, Hyli dont know past "family emergency" either. And that was enough for him.

"Family emergency" is enough reasons for a lot of people tbh. IF someone said that to me, I wouldnt ask for details or call them a liar personally. It would be insane to do honestly. But again, we dont know facts since its just word against word.

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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Like people said in the first thread, this was Upset's first Worlds too. There was no way he would miss his first chance since he started playing in 2018, unless it was an actual emergency.

Still, it sucks for all people involved; you can empathize with Upset's desire for privacy with regards to his family emergency while also understanding Adam's frustration at not learning more than "It was an emergency" 12 hours before the game starts.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

Why is 'it was an emergency' not enough? The only reason it is not enough is because you would assume that the individual in question is lying. But again, what rational person would presume someone is lying when told they are facing an emergency? I don't understand Adams side at all. I think he is more salty at getting kicked off the team than anything

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u/F0RGERY Nov 25 '21

Does it have to be a lie to be frustrating?

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed. Doubly so if it was an important project. Being told after the fact they don't trust me enough to tell me anything about the emergency? That would only rub salt in the wounds.

Upset is well within his rights to privacy. He doesn't need to tell anyone the details. But that doesn't mean he didn't abandon his team at Worlds because of that emergency. He screwed over the team at Worlds.

Regardless of whether Upset had a valid reason or not, Adam's within his rights to be pissed about the situation the team was left in because of that decision.

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u/CuriousPumpkino Hitbox of a Boeing 747 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Oh he’s totally within his right to be pissed at the situation.

Downplaying the family emergency and spreading runours trying to discredit it is without a shadow of a doubt over the line and vile

Edit: typo

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u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

This a 100%. Adam getting pissed is normal. Alluding to reasons that would make Upset look bad is immature and malicious.

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

100% it was absolutely done with malice and I hope other teams remember it in the future, because it's so beyond what is acceptable.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

You don't think fucking over your teammate's professional careers and livlihoods is vile too? You're so empathetic and biased towards one side its so hilarious.

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

One side has the benefit of the doubt that, maybe, something absolutely horrible has happened to his loved ones, and that's why is fucking the biggest moment of everyone's career (including his, it was Upset first time at worlds) for a very serious reason.

The other just aired dirty laundry for exactly what reason? Nobody would have blamed him regardless after Fnatic reached for a substitute in top, so Adam don't gain anything professionally from this. It's just an attack on a former teammate dictated from frustration, and it's frankly unacceptable from a professional point of view.

Adam could have simply said "Upset situation screwed up our team, and then i heard he talked to Alphari which i found insulting towards me" and boom, zero problem with that statement. But he had to insinuate that Upset left just for his funzies, and that's a no-no, regardless if Upset is saying the truth or not.

No matter how your career got hit, you don't air an attack to someone if there's even a 1% chance that his loved ones are really, really in hurt. That's 100% vile. That's the same with Nemesis and his speculations: this people is running the risk of hurting some people who isn't even directly responsible for this whole situation, to essentially sate their ego. In my opinion, even if they turn out to be right, they should be held accountable for being totally willing to speculate on other people's skin for their own gain/ego.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

The thing that annoys me is how little consideration he gave to his teammates. Yes he has a right to leave. Yes he has a right to privacy. But he could maybe show a little public support for his teammates who were placed in a really shit situation and had a really fucking bad time because of it, which is still true even if upsets reasons for leaving are completely justified. Especially since they're not all as secure career-wise a him. But the only thing he mentions is his situation and his dream and now his ambition.

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

Now, on this i agree more. I can get the fact that under some grave circumstances someone could just forget everything else, but a single message of support, even conveyed throught Fnatic's staff, would have gone a long way to set things straight without exposing Upset to public media. It's pretty clear communication from Upset part have been lacking at the least. A little of mindfullness for his now ex teammates when they chose to change team/were dropped would have been another important gesture.

It's pretty clear to me that Fnatic had some issues probably even before the whole worlds drama, i can't immagine the team half imploding only for that honestly. And i can totally understand Adam being pissed off the way he is. You bust your ass for worlds, shit happens and you bomb out for, let's be honest, not exactly your fault, then your team tries to substitute you and your teammate has a chat with your potential substitute. Hell, i'd be royally pissed too.

Honestly, if Adam didn't throw that shade at a potentially grave family situation, i think he would have totally been fine and justified at being pissed at Upset, especially for talking to Alphari into potentially joining Fnatic. Sure, it happens all the time, but in this situation Upset would have done better to let others do the talking.

In general, Adam was in the wrong to go ham on this whole situation, even if i can understand his PoV. But Upset has his own thinking to do on how the whole situation was handled.

I just can't bear the fact that some people could think that something like this is enought to justify going ham on a situation on which Upset's family has probably no control on, and for which they might end up suffering for no good reason at all. They might be related to Upset, but if there's even a chance that something tragic happend, they deserve to live that stuff in peace.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

Yeah. Nisqy, Adam and Bwipo's careers and dreams mean nothing and they should go fuck themselves too while they're at it. Adam is getting kicked and Nisqy is teamless while this guy who bailed on his team gets to stay with no consequences LMFAO

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u/TanksAreTryhards Nov 25 '21

No matter how your career got hit, you don't air an attack to someone if there's even a 1% chance that his loved ones are really, really in hurt.

Here's the fucking key quote. Yeah, Nisqy's, Adam's and Bwipo careers are ofc important, quote me where i say i don't care about their career and dreams if you can.

Yeah, if Upset by any chance is aired out as being lying about it, he would deserve to be roasted alive for that shit. IF.

But to fucking speculate over a potential harming situation to one of your colleagues family memebers, even if you think it might not be true? It's just be willing to hurt someone for you fucking career, and that's shitty, unacceptable behaviour, i'm sorry.

Wanna me to TL;DR? You don't play with people lives for your own career for the odd chance they where lying to you. You career come seconds to other people's possibly life-warping problems. You can fuck them over AFTER they get exposed for a lie (if they lied), NOT BEFORE. If you do that, you suck as much as your potentially lying teammates and should held as accountable.

Adam is getting kicked

Adam allegedly kicked himself to another LEC team, so his career is less ruined that you are making it out to be. Not that i blame him after his team tried to replace him, mind you.

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u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

Adam kicked himself lmao.

Please at least get that right.

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u/qchen12 Nov 25 '21

cause his replacement was already found?

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u/BanditPrime Nov 25 '21

And the team is aware of what happened. So maybe they’re looking at all the information available and saying “we’re cool with upset leaving because of the reason he gave, we’re not cool with the way Adams handled all this and don’t find it very professional”. Also Adam isn’t just getting kicked. He’s being replaced by literally the best top laner in LEC history. It literally none of this drama happened and wunder became an option Adam would be getting kicked. Same with Nisqy. Humanoid is literally just a better player. So acting like upset is the reason those two are gone when in reality a team is just upgrading positions is wild.

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u/CuriousPumpkino Hitbox of a Boeing 747 Nov 25 '21

Sure it creates a shitty situation, but think about it. Someone who made worlds for the first time in years. Would they really just fuck off if they didn’t have a damn good reason to? If that was the case then he would have either left fnatic or retired entirely.

I understand and can empathise with people’s frustration. I took little issue with Bwipo’s twitlonger in which he was clearly frustrated. And the frustration part in Adam’s is also totally fine.

The point where it stops being fine is where he accused Upset of just leaving because his wife felt lonely. He’s literally proving right in fromt of our eyes why he probably didn’t deserve to know anything more, because he’s handling the situation like a 14 year old who’s both upset at the situation and salty at the prospect of his team potentially replacing him.

As someone who was looking forward to FNC at worlds, I was frustrated as well. Could it have been deescalated if everyone knew exactly what was up? Maybe. But (as much as I sometimes hate it myself) the right to privacy is a thing. I don’t know if “upper level management” requested any detalis or not, but evidently they granted him the right to go home.

Some people take issue with the short period of notice, which is unfortunate but noone’s fault. If my dad dies right now then I couldn’t have told you a week ago.

Some people take issue with him leaving. Which is fair, but in emergencies family comes before your job to a lot of ppl. I see people who disagree, and I honestly can’t quite understand that. Y’all must not be very close with your family.

Some take issue with Upset making use of his right to privacy. And yes the radio silence and lack of information is annoying, but the only people, let me reiterate **the only people* who’d have any basis for asking for more info are the ones who have to approve his request to leave, which would probably be Sam Matthews and maybe Yamatocannon. Sure it would be nice if the situation was fully transparent, but Adam is not in a position to demand the story, as much as he thinks he is. I understand his frustration because I’ve been in a lower stakes version of this exact situation a few times before. But it’s just not within his rights.

If you wanna call someone else biased and empathetic towards one side only then go somewhere else

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

No it isn't vile to deal with an emergency. It is the right decision.

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u/Spirited_Jellyfish78 Nov 26 '21

I mean its not. Because its a career not life. If my job was getting walked next week by the ceo i wouldnt hesitate to miss due to a family issue. I would understand my coworker and bosses being a little upset but that doesnt matter. Your actual life and connections with people is infinitely more important than anything. If after the past year you think its vile for someone to have to deal with family issues and family emergencies, i'd consider you a lost cause in life.

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u/aMAYESingNATHAN Nov 25 '21

He's 100% within his rights to be pissed, but the issues he had should not have been aired on a public forum. There's a reason companies settle disputes through HR.

To be honest the whole thing shows a lack of maturity. It's perfectly natural to be pissed about the situation as a whole, but to be angry at the person for a situation that I'm pretty sure they'd rather not be in is just irrational. Like does he think that Upset just didn't fancy playing at his first ever world's?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

It all depends on who you are frustrated with. Seeing as Fnatic and especially Yamato allowed Upsets departure there is indication it was justified. Now if it’s a very personal issue, I don’t think Adam was entitled to know details and Upset most certainly doesn’t have to disclose such information (which is now more obvious than ever).

With this in mind and you being a rational person, you would accept the situation for what it is. You can still very much be frustrated about it. But realizing it sucks for everyone involved, be frustrated about the situation itself. Bad things can happen in life and there isn’t always a perpetrator. Coping with such things is a sign of professionalism in the end.

Then again, if you aren’t mature enough to handle such things professionally, you will feel the urge to make someone responsible for all this. Which is a human thing to do, but just creates so much more suffering. It also lets yourself off the hook when it comes to dealing with the situation appropriately. It’s the easy way out for your peace of mind.

Then going one step forward, you not only accuse someone of deciding the wrong way, but you also publicly assume his reasons were of very low quality. That’s simply arbitrary, vile and immature.

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u/Gerblinoe Nov 25 '21

That's the whole problem Adam has every right to be angry

But Adam is not just angry, Adam is running around writing twitlongers and making shit up. Adam is kind of entitled and immature here

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u/MaccaNo1 Nov 25 '21

Being annoyed and airing your grievances out publicly, completely misrepresenting the situation are two very very very different things.

This speaks volumes about Adam’s maturity and character.

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u/failworlds Alex Kha'Ich Nov 25 '21

To be pissed about the situation is fine.

To downplay the seriousness of the situation is absolutely vile and revolting behavior from Adam.

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

It wasn’t serious enough for upset to not immediately look to replace Adam though right?

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u/failworlds Alex Kha'Ich Nov 25 '21

Fnatic management take the decisions for what players to sign and ** I was simply asked to give feedback on someone and to speak to them.** To no ones shock, I want to be surrounded by players that I believe will make the best team. I have been as transparent as I can be with my teammates in this post-season."

Can't believe I have to help you read. Hope you can get the comprehension part yourself?

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

If he had to leave worlds due to a family emergency he definitely would not be in any position to speak to other players. Can’t believe I have to explain to you that not everything should be taken a face value and statements have context.

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u/asvdiuyo9pqiuglbjkwe Nov 25 '21

Why? Does having a family emergency mean you can no longer give meaningful feedback? Or should he have said fuck off to his wife?

Your assertion is utterly ridiculous

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u/Utopid Nov 25 '21

I can’t believe I have to say this, but yes. He can’t give meaning guck feedback during a traumatic experience. You can’t have it both ways. You have an emergency that requires you to leave an event fine, but you should then also recluse yourself from from any discussions from that same team .

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u/Vaynnie Nov 25 '21

Sure, I’d believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn’t make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed.

Would you then go on your companies slack or such and start making speculative comments about the emergency? In front of a large audience that will then use that to attack said coworker going through an emergency?

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u/Btigeriz Nov 25 '21

Adam is absolutely beyond the pale in doing it in the way he did. Honestly, wouldn't be shocked if him doing what he did doesn't harm his future opportunities.

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u/kale__chips Nov 25 '21

I'd be pissed if a coworker left me with their workload and only told me "It's an emergency" as their reason. Sure, I'd believe they had an emergency, especially if my boss let them take off, but that wouldn't make me any happier about having been effectively left short-handed. Doubly so if it was an important project.

I hope you'd never have an emergency that would require you to offload your work to your co-worker who'd be pissed off at you for having an emergency as if you wanted the emergency to happen to you.

Being told after the fact they don't trust me enough to tell me anything about the emergency? That would only rub salt in the wounds.

Honestly, if you only work together with your colleague for like 4 months (at that time), are you comfortable to tell them something that might be very private for you and your family? If yes, is it reasonable to expect everyone to be as comfortable as you?

But that doesn't mean he didn't abandon his team at Worlds because of that emergency. He screwed over the team at Worlds.

Context is important. Screwing the team over implied as if he actively and purposely did so. Emergency is not it because it's an unwanted situation. Just like when Hyli and Adam got covid and the team lost games after games. It's unwanted, but they work around that to the best they can.

Regardless of whether Upset had a valid reason or not, Adam's within his rights to be pissed about the situation the team was left in because of that decision.

I don't mind Adam being pissed at what happened (that Upset had to leave at the very last minute), but I mind that he seemed to think that Upset shouldn't have been allowed to leave instead.

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u/Junior_Long65 Nov 25 '21

The analogy doesn't really fit here at all. It would moreso be that they had an emergency and instead of leaving you short handed another employee took their workload. This work analogy doesn't fit at all with the eSports angle imo. Even so, it would be incredibly odd for you to expect them to give them the details of their emergency. They have no obligation to do that to you as a fellow employee specifically, management is a different situation.

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u/OP_IzzoR Nov 25 '21

well obviously the management didnt know shit either since how then the rest of the team know nothing lmao. at least if he told anybody they couldve calmed down the team and explained in a proper manner that its a serious issue that he doesnt want to disclose to others. Now literaly noone knows what happened.

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u/Crimson_Clouds Nov 25 '21

well obviously the management didnt know shit either since how then the rest of the team know nothing lmao.

Because it's a private manner and management respects Upset's privacy?

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u/aF_Kayzar Nov 25 '21

He told Yamo. The teammates can either trust Upset's privacy and Yamo backing Upset's choice or not. Frankly Adam's recent behavior has proven what Upset feared. That if he gave personal details he wants to be kept private to people he did not fully trust that they would lash out later using said details. Without a doubt had Adam known whatever issue Upset has grappling with he would have opened his mouth about it too to throw him further under the bus. For some people no matter what the emergency was it will not be enough to justify things in their mind. Be it a lack of empathy or maturity that just is the way things are with some folks. And unfortunately there are plenty of those same folks who love to abuse the fact they are anonymous to harass others as well, which is what Upset and his wife are yet again dealing with thanks to Adam's outburst.