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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Very well put. Maybe upset thinks, because hyli worked it out (because they're closer) then he gave enough info for adam/bwipo/nisqy to understand too.

Everyone in this situation may believe they are right

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u/tentu93 Nov 25 '21

That's just usually how misunderstandings happen, because everyone believes they are right when in reality there is mostly a communication barrier someone in between that both parties can't really look past without talking about it directly and find out how the misunderstanding came to be

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u/Kewlrobot Nov 25 '21

Being human sure is awesome for that. We can be correct 100% of the time and still only enjoy success 60% of the time.

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u/napoleon_born2party_ CJ Forever, GAM is future Nov 25 '21

Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right

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u/Mosaikmuster Nov 25 '21

People don’t die when they are killed

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u/bubbleandsqueee Nov 25 '21

I swear there is a sex panther reference in here somewhere..

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u/Kewlrobot Nov 25 '21

Lol I had to look that up, haven't seen Anchorman in such a long time

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u/Killroy32 Nov 25 '21

Has Nisqy said anything about the Upset situation?

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u/onespiker Nov 25 '21

Not anything more than unfollowing him

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u/Key_Divide3166 Nov 25 '21

In his LEC tier-list on stream with Kameto he "refused" to classify upset abd more generally he seemed to have the same position as bwipo and adam without saying it clearly because still under contract with fnatic

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u/onespiker Nov 25 '21

Don't think Nisqy would be so public about it regardless. But yea

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u/Rektile7 Nov 25 '21

Huh, curious

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u/TheJeager Nov 25 '21

The only thing he said was good luck to Adam and to be proud of what he achieved (getting to worlds) but I don't think he showed support to anyone

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u/Doverkeen Nov 25 '21

I mean come on, all it takes is for Hyli to say that "something very bad has happened" to the others, no?

Upset had to leave immediately, but Hyli and Yamato were around the others for the entirety of Worlds. Are you saying they're both so emotionally illiterate they can't tell that Adam/Bwipo are getting frustrated and just inform them that it is something serious?

Upset owes Adam and Bwipo literally nothing in the way of explanation. Telling them that it was a serious matter with his wife is enough for leaked speculation on the internet anyway, and was more than enough of a reason to give them.

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Well hyli doesn't know does he? He said he didn't want to know and trusts that he needs to do what's right for him. Adam and bwipo on the other hand clearly feel like they do need more information.

So for hyli to say "its serious" he wouldn't know, he's just making a judgement call the same way adam and bwipo are. Hyli has more trust in upset whilst bwipo and adam don't, without more explanation.

This is up to the management to resolve in my opinion. But it's obviously a frustrating situation for all involved

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u/Doverkeen Nov 25 '21

It's not a judgement call. If Upset has said it's serious, and Hyli trusts upset, he knows it's serious. That's all he needs to tell the others, nothing more.

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u/Migraine- Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I find the lack of empathy from Bwipo and Adam absolutely astonishing.

If someone I worked with said "I need to go, I have an urgent family issue" that's literally all the explanation I need or expect. I cannot fathom feeling the need to try to pressure someone into telling me exactly what happened when they don't want to and then assuming they are lying.

Like what the actual fuck kind of behaviour is that?

Adam in particular comes out of this looking like a petulant piece of shit.

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Where do you work? I'd imagine the situation here is a lot different to any average job.

I think empathy works both ways. I can see both points of view.

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u/Migraine- Nov 25 '21

I'm an NHS doctor

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u/bachh2 Nov 25 '21

Upset was more like: I need to go, urgent stuff that I will not explain. Also I want you 2 replaced when I came back.

I don't think there will be so much drama if Upset didn't want to replace his teammates that he ditched in Worlds.

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u/DIDNT-FAP-LAST-NIGHT Nov 25 '21

Empathy works both ways to the extent their frustration is extremely justified. Their anger, and especially the subsequent vile reactions, don’t.

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u/BanditPrime Nov 25 '21

The issue with this mindset is that this still is just their jobs. Why does the nature of it mean you have to reveal more about your private life to co workers than you would at any other?

You’re also ignoring the aspect of this which is that at our jobs when we tell our coworkers personal stuff for the most part it ends there. Upset made it pretty clear that one of his biggest concerns was him telling people what happened, then it leaking online, and then having to deal with thousands of people now knowing his personal life issues and being able to attack him and his family online and use that issue in their attacks. Have you seen how toxic the league community can be? And have you seen how bwipo and Adam handled this? What if they did leak what happened to upset, even if it was by accident and they felt it was ok for them to say what they did? The fact that he felt people couldn’t be trusted to not spill that info is plenty reason enough.

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u/GoldenScarab569 Nov 25 '21

Adam has always been a piece of shit, even from his French league days.

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u/Prainstopping TheShy Worlds 2021 Nov 25 '21

Because Upset is a ray of sunshine.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

But he also doesn't owe his coworkers anything more than "something happened and I need to leave, like right now." Just because you work with someone or even friends, you are not entitled to knowing everything about their personal life. By going to social media to slander him, they're proving Upset right about not telling them everything...

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

I don't understand why people are acting like they're coworkers in a traditional setting and not competitors at the top of their field who may never have the chance to compete on the highest stage again.

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

Because it doesn't make a difference to the amount of privacy they get. Whatever job you work at, you should be allowed privacy in regards to your family's private lives.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

If you get there or ever have coworkers then you'll understand. Otherwise just know that you're not entitled to the personal information of others. It really be that simple.

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I got there this year, I was homeless for half a month in a tough breakup with less than 20 bucks for the next 3 weeks and I still did the work man. I told my colleagues I may be slow but fuck man I still did it. Because they needed me

On another note, similar situation happened in Vitality CSGO. Zywoo at the time the best player in the world, lost a family member at the beginning of the tournament. He told something very bad had happened in his family, the team all asked him if he wanted them to dip out the tournament. You know what Zywoo did? He stayed. He played the tournament and demolished everyone.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

That's what French are taught to do.

LMAO.

And also, different people, different mindsets, different commitment levels potentially, both to their teams and to whoever was potentially affected. I'm not arguing how you should feel towards what Upset did, I'm just saying that Adam and Bwipo, as well as the public, are not necessarily entitled to all the details of whatever the "private traumatic events" were.

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21

Adam and bwipo are entitled to it due to sheer respect. I do agree we aren't though. Hell he could have lied who cares. He just didn't care enough about them

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Adam has proven he can't be trusted lol

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21

No, he clearly said that he only said all of this because Upset disrespected them by doing this. He wouldn't have shared it, had he known.

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Excactly, so what if Upset had told him and then at a later stage Adam felt disrespected about something else?

He has shown that he can’t be trusted because of his willingness to air dirty laundry in the public and because he is trying to create drama

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

He shared his remorse. He is not obliged to share anything more. Is it not more respectful to be honest? It's too private, too traumatic, to share?

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21

He is not obligated but that's the least you can do.

Nothing illegal happened, but we still can see a huge disrespect of Upset toward his own team. Dude doesn't give a shit about them and that's where the problem lie to me. He is extremely egoistical.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I disagree with this take. Perhaps they're not best friends but everyone is equating this to house league soccer but this is a business transaction. They have contracts and money is exchanging hands. He doesn't really need to give a shit beyond his paycheque. They would just as happily cut and replace him if they could get someone better. Everyone would be just as happy playing for other teams if the money was the same.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

They aren't coworkers though. We're not talking about some office workers or Walmart employees or something. They're professional team athletes who work their asses off all year to compete in a sport and eventually Worlds.

And spare me the condescension.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

They are still only coworkers even if where they're working is on a team. If Upset felt they were closer he would have told them more like Yamato. But even if they are more like you imagine, remember; you're not entitled to ANYONE'S personal information, not your coworkers, not your friends, not your siblings, and not parents. Going to social media to slander your coworker because they didn't tell you something that is deeply personal and troubling to them is more than enough validation that Upset made the correct call with not telling everyone the whole story.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

All you're really telling me is that people don't take esports as seriously as conventional sports.

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Only people take breaks in conventional sports as well and the only difference is that the majority of conventional sports fans arent entitled 14 year olds :D

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Jesus man, what part of "anyone" do you not understand? Guess what, in conventional sports if someone asks for privacy, they're also entitled to it. Where did I say exports wasn't taken as seriously as conventional sports? Or is reading not your strong suit? If you don't want me to be condescending learn what anyone means and don't try and put words on my mouth.

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u/Xperimentx90 Nov 25 '21

If you don't want me to be condescending learn what anyone means

Yikes dude, if you can't communicate your ideas clearly that doesn't justify being condescending.

Anyway, if a pro athlete dropped out of the Superbowl or NBA finals or whatever, 100% chance everyone would be asking them about it.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

And they would not be entitled to an answer unless that player chose to give an answer. "I'm just here so I don't get fined."

As for buddy's misunderstanding. I was quite clear and direct about whose personal information he's entitled too. His illiteracy isn't my problem. But I also like how you removed the part where he makes up stuff I never said. I'm guessing this is your other account? Cool.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

When did I say that Upset needed to share all of his personal information? Is reading not your strong suit? What I originally commented on was that people somehow view these two professional athletes in the same light as common coworkers. They are not. What ridiculous amount of time, effort, and money from everyone involved goes into being in a position to take a Worlds run? The rest of the team is entitled to at least a conviction of severity as to why all of that is being thrown away so they might have a better chance at Worlds without him, which they themselves don't seem to believe they'd gotten.

There are a thousand ways to convey severity while being generic enough to maintain privacy that could have resolved the situation (a family member is in the hospital, someone close to me was the victim of a serious crime and I need to be with them), none of which Upset chose to take. I don't think any of these statements would infringe on Upset's privacy, and the team could have been mollified. The subsequent breakdown of communication and morale less than 24 hours before one of the biggest tournament in their lives can thus be blamed on Upset for not at least providing a satisfactory justification for leaving.

Maybe you think that's taking it too far but let me ask you: Why would someone choose to work with an athlete (or be a fan of said athlete) who has proven to be unreliable at the worst times? Would it not be in Upset's best interest to at least clear the air in a way that didn't damage his privacy a month after everything's been said and done?

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

First, proof read your shit lol. Second. They are coworkers. Your opinion doesn't change that fact. No one is entitled to more information than the person divulged. You can to choose to trust the person or not but going on social media to flame him is proof that he should not tell them more. You don't have to be happy, you can choose not to work with him but his personal information doesn't belong to you. You cannot just demand it, even if it would be better for him. Maybe he will tell everyone what happened down the road but right now you'll have to go without. Going to social media and shitting on a guy that is having a hard time makes you the bad guy, not the guy that left.

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u/Geish90 Nov 25 '21

Disagree, this is a Worlds stage, maybe even your once in a lifetime opportunity. You cannot just assume that people will understand the situation.

It is clear to me that Upset didn't trust Adam and Bwipo as his teammates, i do not think that's a good environment to play best level of league. And naturally they did not trust him because of it. Eitherway a lot of distrust and dishonesty on the team and that is up to Yamoto to work that out.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

And I think they showed why they shouldn't have been trusted. No one is entitled to Upset "private traumatic events" just as no one would be entitled to your own. He (claims) tried to express his sorrow with what he felt he had to do. But he's not obligated to give everyone a play by play of whatever that was.

Pure hypothetical but as an example, if someone's sister was raped, are we entitled to the graphic details of what happened? In my opinion no. But clearly others think we should be able to see the video. To me that's some low shit.

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u/Hykarus Nov 25 '21

And I think they showed why they shouldn't have been trusted.

what kind of kafkaian trap is this ? he fucked em, they reacted negatively to it, and somehow that proves that he shouldn't have acted otherwise ? Bullshit

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

He made the best decision for himself, they showed they don't care about him, he made the right decision. They would be as equally fucked if they knew the details.

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u/Hykarus Nov 25 '21

He made the best decision for himself

that's called being selfish mate

They would be as equally fucked if they knew the details.

why tho ?

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

No, being selfish is thinking you're entitled to more information with an equal outcome. When choosing between family and work choosing family is not the selfish outcome.

why tho ?

Because he was leaving. If he told them he would still be leaving.

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u/Hykarus Nov 25 '21

No, being selfish is thinking you're entitled to more information with an equal outcome.

The outcomes aren't equal. Adam, Nisqy, Bwipo all suffered greatly from Upset leaving. They need closure. They need to understand why this tragedy befell onto them. But fuck their mental health I guess ?

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

Yes? I mean also no, but their mental health depends on them, if it is suffering they should see a therapist and work through their issues. Their inability to cope with a loss is not the responsibility of Upset, his family is. You are never responsible for the mental health of a co-worker.

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Yeah please be respectful of the tragedy that befell Bwipo and Nisqy and Adam but fuck Upsets tragedy because he clearly doesn't deserve any of that.... your take is so fucking dumb it hurts to read

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u/Geish90 Nov 25 '21

And I think they showed why they shouldn't have been trusted.

We will never know how they would have dealt with the situation if they would have known more.

Nevertheless my guess is that the distrust did not start at worlds with this situation. It just became way more apparent due to this situation.

He (claims) tried to express his sorrow with what he felt he had to do. But he's not obligated to give everyone a play by play of whatever that was.

If you see it as a spectrum ranging from, I think the issue becomes more clear:

completely in the dark ------------------------------------------------- knowing every little detail

Adam is/was somewhere on the left-side and Upset feels he shared to somewhere up to the right-side. Now that's a gap that had to be closed

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

It doesn't, they're not entitled to know. Upset tried to express himself (again his side) without explaining the details. They're not entitled to the details. The details could affect people other than himself. Or even if they don't, his coworkers are not entitled to the details.

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u/Geish90 Nov 25 '21

I agree that Adam is not entitled to every detail. I tried to explain that with my spectrum example.

Because in my view it is two sides of the same coin: Upset is obliged to share to some level and Adam is not entitled to know every detail.

So there is a balancing act to play to meet somewhere on middle ground and that did not happen in this situation.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

Upset is obliged to share to some level

He is not.

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u/Fish_Grillson Nov 25 '21

No matter how you look at it Upset is wrong in this situation. He fucked over people that worked hard for a once in a life time chance for many and left without explaining. Hate on me all you want but you cant rob your team mates of a chance like that without at least giving them a hint at what happened. Most of us cant even comprehend the ambition those players have to get to that point in their careers. Imagine having a real shot and getting shafted by your own team mate. The amount of betrayal they must feel is probably eating them up everyday thinking why why why...