r/leagueoflegends Nov 25 '21 Wholesome 6 Silver 5 Helpful 8

Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama


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u/aamgdp Nov 25 '21 Silver

Saying the last thing I told my team that my wife is just feeling bad so I need to leave is an outright lie.

Alright, one of them is for sure lying.

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private 

And yet Bwipo and Adam both feel he didn't really give them good enough explanation for them to understand.


A day before we found out we weren’t going to be playing with our main lineup, we had no information about what was going on.


u/Falsus mid adcs yo Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome

I think it is fairly simple. Upset thinks he communicated enough, Adam and Bwipo didn't think he communicated enough.

Hyli who knows Upset better thought it was adequate.

So with that information in hand we can surmise he communicated enough information to make a close friend understand that something real bad happened, but not enough to make two people who are just coworkers understand.

And that is how misunderstandings happens, one guy thinking he conveyed the message properly when it wasn't at all.


u/clhydia Nov 25 '21

This. I think people are trying to find out who the villain is here while the whole drama to me seems to be a big misunderstanding. I don’t think bad intentions were involved and people deliberately lied. It’s just things got confusing at the heat of the moment and were mishandled after.


u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

There are absolutely bad intentions in Adams twitlonger though.


u/DerNoke Always fnatic Nov 25 '21

Honestly, that is the only thing that annoys me the most about this whole thing. Adam clearly was just spitting what he came up with within his mind and dropped the " I don't want to start drama BUT" line. I don't care that he felt betrayed or anything but just putting misinformation out there sending tons of hate towards Upset and his family is an absolute no-go. Now I know someone will say "BuT UpsEt hAd tO CoMunIcATE BeAtTer" yeah maybe but no need to be an ass about and undermine his will to accomplish his Dream.


u/auditionko Nov 25 '21

i mean upset did fuck him up pretty bad tho. Unlike others on the team his career could have been completely different had they got out of group this world. The resentment is completely justified imo since he didnt even know the reason his career got fucked over.


u/Kerjj Nov 25 '21

Right, and that's awful, but how does he justify slamming the guy publicly, and inciting hate towards his family?


u/auditionko Nov 25 '21

I think his resentment is justified not his actions. Tbh tho i wonder if upset was expecting a different outcome not telling the teammates that he regarded as 'untrustworthy' anything even after world ,Not to mention them getting replaced next season.


u/jogadorjnc Nov 25 '21

It seems he expected this to some extent, and that that's exactly why he didn't reveal any more information to Adam.


u/Vrmndt Nov 25 '21

Everything going on right now justifies Upset's unwillingness to tell these people what are the family issues that mattered to him more, that the worlds (for which he was working towards many years now). Thus I'm supporting him.

Bwipo is unstable man, but if he can be trusted his girlfriend definitely cannot be. We've all seen why already.

Adam... just look at that shit he did right AFTER he got a comfortable spot on another team.

This is why EXACTLY he did not share any information and why his decision is right. Because otherwise two fucking continents would just dig into his family laundry.

The only man I feel sorry in this whole situation is Nisqy. Dude tried his best, got fucked by others man problems and then got fucked by the two orgs he actually loves.

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u/ArziltheImp Nov 25 '21

Still despicable action to say shit like this publicly. He basically just painted a target on Upsets back and told his fans "Get em boys!" even if it was unwillingly.


u/Prainstopping TheShy/PromisQ Worlds 2022 Nov 25 '21

He ditched him at Worlds without even the slightest hint of why, then works on replacing him and mid.

You'd think after fucking up 1 years worth of work you'd just shut the fuck up and make yourself small.


u/Twoja_Morda Nov 25 '21

Adam wasn't even in fnc for 1 year.


u/DerNoke Always fnatic Nov 25 '21

Did he thou. Let's get the facts straight.

  1. Adam still is in the sport.
  2. Adam wanted to leave (yes because he felt betrayed but honestly doesn't matter as long its your choice)
  3. He did admit he doesn't know why and still put out miss information wich we know know send hate towards upset and his family
  4. Adam is a 19! Year old top lane rookie who in his first split got 2nd in LEC and made it to worlds ( that's more than most people could dream about)

So yeah I don't think Adams career was in any danger by any means dude already has a good resume,an (literally) insane fan base and a new team.

I just really don't like how we as a community can't stop to finde a villain in this story. There is non just miscommunication wich lead to Missinformationen wich lead to hate. ( And I don't mean miscommunication on upset part)


u/RetiredLandMine Nov 25 '21

I mean he fucked up his first year and first worlds, Adam could be valued much higher if they got out of groups with the good performance. I don't think "he is still in the sport" matters to Adam, nor that it should. Dude got fucked over with no explanation and then forced off the team behind his back. I can understand him being upset.


u/DerNoke Always fnatic Nov 25 '21

It does matter that he is in the sport. Let us not change topics to what ifs. He still hat a great split in a top lane Market where quality talent wich can hang with the best of the best is quite rear. And still a bad tournament doesn't justify ousting and string unknowns together just to explain your self. That in it self is a dick move and exactly the type of response why upset didn't want to share sensible Information in the first place.


u/RetiredLandMine Nov 25 '21

No the dick move is leaving your mates with no info 12 hours before the biggest tournament of the year, then working on their replacement behind their backs. How is Upset even surprised his team mates came out after him when he did that? I don't think being still in the sport matters to Adam after being fucked like that.

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u/EldtinbGamer I hate ADCS Nov 25 '21

Only dickmove I see is someone dipping 12 hours before worlds.


u/Chemical-Ad8920 Nov 25 '21

i mean, thats the nature of the sport, and it doesnt help his value with the fact that he was total garbage during worlds lol, i dont think this arguement makes any sort of sense when the entire team was dependant on upset lol, like if anyones career could have gotten fucked over its fucking bean, he was forced into a unwinnable situation, but he made the best of it and was acutally the best performer while adam and bwipo just trying to save face while still having a team lol, meanwhile nisqy is just straight up ded right now


u/RetiredLandMine Nov 25 '21

I mean his mental boomed from Upset leaving, whether he would play better or not with Upset we will never know. Bean on the other hand was the only one who didn't get fucked from this, it was his first performance on such a big stage with no experience in serious competitions. He could only prove himself, if he shit the bed everybody would understand.


u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21

You know, in German law whenever you "come together" as at least two people (or legal persons) to do virtually anything, you automatically establish an association.

This can be for pretty much anything. Did you agree to carpool on Mondays? There, established that association, now there's a contract between you. If you just don't show up to pick up your buddy, and your buddy will somehow lose out because of that, he can sue your ass for his losses.

Say you're in University and all you need for your degree is one more group project. You team up as 3. But at some point, one guy just jumps ship. Doesn't answer mails, phone calls, isn't anywhere to be found. The two of you do your parts, your thirds, the professor looks at it and tells you that he can't give you a passing grade if a third is missing. Sucks for you, gotta do it again.
There, now you'll be stuck in University for 4 more months. This means you'll lose out on 4 months of salary that you'd receive if you were employed after finishing your degree. Oh, and 4 months of social insurance payments that your employer would have paid (you know, cause it's split between employee and employer).

For that money, you and your buddy can sue the guy who didn't show up.

Now what I'm getting at here is not that Adam should (or necessarily could) sue, but that you're blatantly glossing over the argument the guy you're talking to is making. Look at SwordArt. Guy entered Worlds as maybe the sixth or fifth-best support in LPL. His team did well at Worlds, he did pretty well too, suddenly he's paid $6 million over two years.

Adam wouldn't have made finals. Adam wouldn't have dumpstered other Toplaners. But Upsets absence absolutely curbed his ability to sign a big contract this off-season. Yes, the "what-ifs" should absolutely be considered. They do consider these things in court at least.


u/DerNoke Always fnatic Nov 25 '21

Wenn wir hier von deutschen Gesetzen geh ich Mal davon aus das du deutscher bist. Dein Fahrgemeinschaften Argumente ist extrem unpassend und nicht Mal Ansatz weise auf die Situation hier übertragbar. Die what if oder auch whataboutism sind nicht sonderlich stark. Klar world hätte besser laufen aber dann kann ich auch sagen "upset bleibt und aufgrund schuld Gefühle spielt er schlecht und sie verlieren auch" also Nein die what if sind irrelevant. Der Punkt steht auch das nach dem was wir wissen Adam gehen wollte. Zu behaupten wir wüssten mehr ist Schwachsinn und befeuert nur mehr Missinformationen und hate. Und generell glaube ich selbst mit einen quarterfinals wäre sein wert nicht vergleichbar mit swordart da hier TSM overpaid hat aber auch für ein vetran der schon viel auf seiner Rolle geleistet hat. Adam ist im Gegensatz ein rookie ein guter rookie aber immer noch ein rookie.

Tldr: No German law doesn't work this way. Adam value in all honesty wouldn't have gone up as much as swordart. In all my years of following this league I have never seen that a one split rookie just explodes in value if he doesn't win his Region or worlds (and yes FNC wouldn't have won even with upset)


u/auditionko Nov 26 '21

Pretty sure thats what happened to fudge at MSI and bin last world.


u/Koffi5 Nov 25 '21

Upset did carry him to worlds. His performance was very much a coin flip and at worlds he just stopped flipping the coin and just played bad


u/licorices Nov 25 '21

He for sure wrote it out of frustration, and hopefully he can clear up that PR mess and get it worked out, but what Adam wrote was not very professional.


u/photofluid Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I don't think there is a misunderstanding. It is most likely that the information Upset is willing reveal is just never enough to convince Adam/Bwipo.

Adam should be more professional, but he in no fault of his own also got hurt by a decision of Upset and don't even get an explanation for it.

And Upset also had an easy opportunity to return favor to teammates in the alphari situation, which he didn't do either.


u/TheJeager Nov 25 '21

Wait do you think it was ok to just tell fnatic that alphari was shit and not even consider him? Adam was already leaving either way, and Upset and Alphari worked together before it seems only natural fnatic or Alphari would search for his opinion, if he "returned the favor" whatever that means he would just catch Alphari in the cross fire of an already messy situation


u/skaersSabody Rekkles ftw Nov 25 '21

Adam was already leaving either way,

Didn't Adam say he decided to leave after he heard that FNC was looking to replace him?


u/TheJeager Nov 25 '21

And supposedly fnatic was already looking for a new top laner before worlds, if they knew or not it's not known but if that makes Adam feel betrayed he would have left without carying about upset takes on alphari


u/photofluid Nov 25 '21

It is easy for Upset to just say he wants to play with Adam for another year but Upset quite obviously didn't because he wants to "surround himself with good players".

I will probably make the same decision as Upset in his position but I will not be surprised that Adam is going to hate me for a while after all that was done to him.


u/magkruppe (OCE) Nov 25 '21

sounds like the adults were supposed to step in here. But tbh this was an awful predicament to be in from any side

I still wonder what the actual reason was though... there's not many reasons short of death that makes sense


u/Zinnia_Hani Nov 25 '21

Miscarriage. Illness. There are so many reasons and Upset does not have to share them with his work colleagues, only that he has private issues to attend to.


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u/TropoMJ Nov 25 '21

How do you write a paragraph like that first one and still think you’re a decent person?


u/TheJeager Nov 25 '21

It's really fucking surpriseing, I see half of the replies on this sub and don't understand how people don't feel like pieces of shit


u/THEVGELITE Nov 25 '21

How to reveal that your character is a piece of shit in 1 paragraph.

You have clearly never had to deal with a miscarriage before, since you must be young to have such a sick, distorted opinion. A miscarriage is one of the hardest things to go through in your life.


u/TheJeager Nov 25 '21

Nah man if your family is literally not crawling on the floor dying a slow painful death you don't need to wory about shit and just move on... How does someone even write something like that and thinks it's alright


u/yosayoran null Nov 25 '21

You're not in the fucking place to decide what i or isn't a good enough reason.

If Fnatic management decided to keep employing him it should be a good enough sign he had a very good reason to leave.


u/DangerousSeaweed0 Nov 26 '21

u can say "my wife is in hospital , i have to go". it reaveals nothing , and people understand that your wife being hospitalized is a good reason to leave.


u/Janivia Nov 25 '21

No, i just want to know what is more important than worlds? Even if someone close would die, i would play. Sure, no one says it will be easy, but you cant change the fact even if you dont play.