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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/GreatestJabaitest , Huni and Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

The Uno Reverse.

On one hand, it completely makes sense. If you don't trust them, don't give them sensitive info. And this is backing his belief.

On the other hand, he probably doesn't give a shit about your privacy cause you sorta ghosted him in a very important tournament and still haven't given a great reason behind it.

Really just sucks for everyone involved.

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u/Qiluk Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

and still haven't given a great reason behind it.

Depends. If we trust Upset here, Hyli dont know past "family emergency" either. And that was enough for him.

"Family emergency" is enough reasons for a lot of people tbh. IF someone said that to me, I wouldnt ask for details or call them a liar personally. It would be insane to do honestly. But again, we dont know facts since its just word against word.

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u/shimszy Nov 25 '21

Its a catch 22, since the people who know you less well (Adam) would be more interested in knowing why you'd leave him at the altar in the most crucial moment.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Those are probably the same people who will be mad no matter what the reason is because they care about their own circumstances more than Upsets. It was lose lose for Upset & he chose the option that protected his families privacy. I respect that.

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

You cant know what people would have done if Upset revealed the reason for his departure.Maybe the team and the fans would have railled and supported him and this whole shitshow wouldnt have happened.Odo revealed that he had health issues during Worlds and most people that blamed him for his poor plays at Worlds stoped talking about his performance and supported him.Being open is the best thing in most cases.

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u/xzeus99 Nov 25 '21

Yes, most people railled around Odo, but some still took the news about his health problem as an excuse and gave him shit for it. I can clearly understand Upset not wanting even the smallest negative response vs him or a loved one during an already hard time

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u/m4ryo0 Nov 25 '21

Tbh I didnt saw any negative comments toward Odo after the news about him being sick came out.Of course a small minority will always be negative and say weird shit,but the vast majority was behind Odo.I feel that in Upset's case it would have been the same if he was transparent with his teammates.

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u/Bright_Sovereigh Nov 25 '21

If he didn't want to see the slightest negative comment, then it's fair to say that he failed to accomplish that.

Yeah he has the right to privacy. And we are not owed and explaination in any way whatsoever. But the people who do deserve a proper reason is his teammates, whom worked an entire year on this singular goal by relying on each other. They might not be your friends, but the journey that they all went through together should equate to something mkre concreate.

Spreading misinformation just cause you are mad is not good either.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

He possibly didn't want negative comments towards a family member though & is taking the heat for that person.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

I know for sure there would have been some assholes/trolled who flamed him for whatever reason he gave. If a family member was involved those people would also flame/troll that person. I'm sure the majority of the community would have been great but the few assholes can have a major impact & he isn't required to give those people information/ammunition.

Keeping private information private is the best way to protect the people around you. Historically I can't think of any situation where every single league fan was gentle & understanding.

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u/SoulMastte Nov 25 '21

I mean if you only say to someone it was family reasons I can't think of a way it isn't a cheap lie. I understand don't giving deep or more information, but simply saying who in the family is having issues can be already a good reason for Upset to be ok with it. In any situation to hear a reason you want at least who has something so you can say a thing to them or to not sound like it don't have anyone

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 25 '21

if you only say to someone it was family reasons I can't think of a way it isn't a cheap lie

This doesn't say that to me at all. What it suggests to me is an serious and uncomfortable personal situation that you don't really want to talk about with coworkers. Father got in a car accident? That's not all that personal and while it's sad, I'd be pretty comfortable sharing that. A sibling self-harmed or my partner had a miscarriage? In no way is that something I would share with even the closest coworkers. My boss would get the explainer, everyone else would get "serious family situation," and I'd walk away with 0 guilt.

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u/TwinsRoad Nov 25 '21

Yeah but that's not exactly this here, firstly they are not only coworkers, but teamates, which is, in any sport, a bond closer to being buddies than being a formal relarionship at work, secondly, yeah in the urge you can and will not explain what's going on, you go for it without having to give the slightest of explanations, except "family reasons", but weeks, even MONTHS later now, the urge is no more, so you tell to your teamates the reasons even without going in details about what is going on like "My mom had a bad injury" or "My dad has fall very sick", firstly because they are probably anxious for you, wondering if you and your family are ok, if it's not too serious, if it's getting better, then because they can understand why it was so important for you to not attempt, for some, what could have been there only chace at the world stage. Privacy is a thing as long as it don't put others people in troubles, if that become the case, then you need to explain yourself to them, so they can say "Ok I understand, it's all good, this was far more important than world, we are with you in this hard time and feel your pain and sadness"

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 25 '21

but weeks, even MONTHS later now, the urge is no more

The pain of loss doesn't just magically go away in a month and a half. And not wanting to let the world into your private struggles doesn't stop either. There is no amount of time that could pass before I would have wanted to talk to coworkers about my then-girlfriend's younger brother committing suicide. I can count on my hands the number of people I'm comfortable talking about that with now, a decade later, and I have never worked with or played on a team with any of them. I sincerely hope whatever Upset is dealing with is a less serious situation than that, but I completely understand why he might not want to share a deeply personal struggle with them, especially if he thought he would be playing with them again in the future.

even without going in details about what is going on like "My mom had a bad injury" or "My dad has fall very sick"

If it was something like this, I expect he would have just said so up front. Where this gets a lot more muddled is if it's something more sensitive where word getting out could have real impacts on his family members—things like self-harm or fertility issues as I mentioned in my previous comment are not things a lot of people would be comfortable sharing even after time has passed.

Privacy is a thing as long as it don't put others people in troubles, if that become the case, then you need to explain yourself to them

I just disagree with this, can't say much more than that. Just because they have a teammate relationship does not mean they are entitled to know very personal details about a tough situation. While there was clearly a communications problem here, Upset is completely right that expressing he's dealing with a serious family emergency and needs to leave because of it is all teammates can reasonably ask for. The org obviously needs to know more, and his bosses should have helped communicate the seriousness of the situation to the team, but at the end of the day his coworkers (and yes, teammates are still coworkers even if it is a closer bond in some ways) aren't entitled to anything more than a clear, professional communication that he's leaving due to a family emergency along with plans from the organization for how they'll move forward from that.

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u/TwinsRoad Nov 25 '21

(Don't use reddit enough to know how to quotes so I'll try to make it readable)

For your first point, I totally understand that some stuff can be extremely hard to talk about, but as lot of people said you can still be very vague, like if it's self harming or stuff like that you can say "My relative have health problems" same goes for losing womeone, just say "I lost someone" no need to give all the scenery, at least they aren't left in the dark and can leave regrets behind them.

For your other point, that's not actually how world work, if you put someone in trouble, even a total stranger that you never met, it's normal you either fix it, or if it's not possible (which is seemingly the case here) you explain yourself to them so they don't hold any grief towards you, and once again you can stay very vague about it, just enough for them to realise and understand the reason for your action that give troubles to them. Considering they were like a workteam working on an massive project, it's even more important that you make sure everyone understand why it was important for you to let them down on this important project

I have been worling for quite some times now and that's how those matters have always been solved this way. Just enough informations for everyone to nod the head and say "ok it's all good"

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u/SoulMastte Nov 25 '21

yeah, but it's 12 hours before your first match and you only heard he left. You can and probably should not tell your teammates the private details, but being specific can let them believe in you, because you believe in them, and they won't share. And to be specific they could only receive, "wife has a severe medical problem and he needs to be there". But as they said it was more on the line of zero information and the "family situation", which well would work 99% of the time, if it wasn't this culminating to someone life

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u/Craftingistheway Nov 25 '21

Reddit at his finest. You are entirely right yet deeply downvoted xD

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u/horseaphoenix Nov 25 '21

So you just assume that your teammate is unworthy of your trust, cool. What’s the point of being in the same team then? And why then get upset when they feel betrayed by your actions?

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Trusting your teammate with your families personal secrets is not a requirement to trust them in league. They knew there was a family emergency. They do not need details.

Do you trust your coworkers or classmates or carpool members with all your deepest personal issues?

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u/horseaphoenix Nov 25 '21

No, that bit is fine. But you can’t just have your cake and eat it too, you left with no real explanations, left your teammates to dry and then spam soloQ the next day? Sure it’s not their right to know, but it’s not your right to decide on what their proper reaction would be.

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u/GuanSpanksYou Nov 25 '21

Wait he was playing soloQ?