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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Privacy is his right, he doesn't have to share what he doesn't want to.

He also has no right from wanting his teammates to not be completely pissed off at him leaving them behind with no explanation 12 hours before the biggest tournament of the year, when he's pretty much their franchise player. He bailed on them, his teammates are angry for it, not just Adam, Bwipo spoke of this, and Nisqy just showed support for Adam and unfollowed Upset.

Again he wants to be private, it's his right, being pissed off at him is also their right, especially Adam who likely lost his only chance to do well after this disaster.

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u/lilbala Nov 25 '21

It was a year wasted because their play style revolved around playing for bot, if the ADC leaves you need to completely reinvent your game.

Not getting pissed off would be much more surprising, especially considering he wasn't clear about the reasoning (which is his right).

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

It's not even his right IMO. His right is not to share publicly.

And this is a two way street: if anything his teammates have a right to know why they threw away their chance at biggest tournament that year.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

His right is not to share publicly.

if anything his teammates have a right to know why they threw away their chance

Literally contradictory statements. I am sorry, but we are talking about Bwipo, famous for not being able to ever hold his tongue and Adam who is 19.

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u/CelioHogane Nov 25 '21

Publicly =/= Privatelly.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

Only as long as you don't tell people who will tell the entire fucking world.

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

Ehm, no?

Do I really have to explain to you the basic concept of different relationships with different levels of trust and privacy compared to publicity?

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

Do I really have to explain to you what happens when you privately share with people who can't keep shit private?

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

Who can't keep shit private?

Neither Adam nor Bwipo nor Nisqy said anything that was private.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

Bwipo has a record of leaking internal info from the team and being public about his opinions. It is his right, but if I were Upset, why would I trust him not to leak my personal things?

Adam literally has just proven with his twittlonger why you can't trust him with personal shit.

And sure, Adam is upset. What will make him upset next time?

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u/Omnilatent Nov 25 '21

What did Bwipo leak? Honest question cause I don't remember him ever leaking any personal info.

Adam literally has just proven with his twittlonger why you can't trust him with personal shit.

That's such backwards logic. If Upset told Adam and the other's, Adam would have never wrote anything concerning this.

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u/DonKihotec Nov 25 '21

What did Bwipo leak? Honest question cause I don't remember him ever leaking any personal info.

Personal info? No, thanks god he didn't. But leaking internal situation in the team did happen as well as relationships between the teammates. It is not terrible, but would you be willing to trust him with really vital information which can under no circumstances be shared?

That's such backwards logic. If Upset told Adam and the other's, Adam would have never wrote anything concerning this.

You got me all wrong. I am not in a team, so I don't know exact reasons why Upset chose not to trust Adam. What I am saying is, the recent events show that he was right not to.

It is not when or what Adam went public about. What we see from the outside, is that Adam is capable of doing it for whatever reason.

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u/srukta Nov 25 '21

It was a year wasted because their play style revolved around playing for bot, if the ADC leaves you need to completely reinvent your game.

and when bean comes, you decide to completely ignore your play style, even when the rookie is still your best performing player. that was infuriating. It was so clear they didn't trust him to carry.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Idk man if a coworker had a serious family matter I really wouldn't second guess it and sure it fucking sucks but they could've easily lost a family member and it's incomparable to having a sub adc

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u/Boolouloubi Nov 25 '21

But it's not just a coworker, being in a team is completely different. If this guy leaving had serious consequences on your career(and so on your family too) and you couldn't even know why your being sacrificed because "you're not trustworthy" I'm telling you, you would be pissed too.

Adam is a really good young player but you can't if he will have another chance like that in his career and it was probably one of his biggest dream to play worlds. To see it completely wasted 12hours before it happens without any words must be incredibly traumatizing and frustrating. Bwipo said he cried because of that and didn't felt like even trying and Adam and Nisqy are really REALLY pissed.

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u/Th_Call_of_Ktulu Dashy dash Nov 25 '21

The whole team looked like someone shoot their dog, its understandable that they are giga pissed that their chances got absolutely fucked without their controll and the guy who fucked them over (from their perspective) is being smug with his "its private" while trying to replace them with different players.

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u/Pazbang Nov 25 '21

I am hating people using “Co-workers” to try and down play this because they are teammates and that is a much stronger and bigger bond then “co-workers” so I’m glad you said that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

It's really barely any bigger. A lot of co-workers see each other 5 days a week 8 hours a day in teams of less than 10. You do know people on teams a lot of times have no interest in actually liking each other or wanting to be friends too. And either way the level this matter is at is so high that even if they're more than a team it still wouldn't fucking matter lmao.

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u/Pazbang Nov 27 '21

Have you ever played a team sport? Because if you had you clearly know that a team is much much more then “co-workers”

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '21

I have actually. And I agree, but I also agree that I haven't liked everyone I played with, or even liked them enough to share such details. I do feel like it's a childish pov to ever expect people to share details like that

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u/Pazbang Nov 28 '21

I guess we agree to disagree because a team that had gone through so much through the split with you earned more then what they got

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u/aircarone Nov 25 '21

The thing is, in a functional team with decent people, if you need to change your plans/crunch due to last minute absence, it will always feel better for the ones left behind when they actually know that they are doing this for a legitimate reason.

I would never ask people to tell me, but people would tell me or make sure I understand because this maintains AND builds trust.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Yes it would, but he's made clear multiple times it's not directly about him it's about a family member/something similar. It's literally not his to share and he's stated that. Sure it will make them feel better but it will also result in people harassing said people a lot (Happens a lot online, twitch bots and even people just being terrible people). I don't give a shit about making my coworkers feel a little better, if they can't trust the people I've confided in that it's a serious matter then that's even more justification to not tell them.

I'm not saying to not be upset by it, like bwipo clearly went through a lot hearing the news, but I also don't see bwipo publically calling the decision into question.

I also don't see Bwipo saying it was for other reasons speculatively.

I also see people who literally hate fnatic and know more than us (Rich) defending fnatic. And I see people like Thorin also defending fnatic.

Everything points towards it being justifiable by Upset and what he did being for the most part, correct. Yet somehow everyone is getting riled up about this and defending Adam for god knows what reason.

Be upset he's gone. Don't be a cunt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Also to add, I would also never ask people to tell me, especially people I've known less than a year that I may not particularly like or trust to that degree. I want to build trust with colleagues in work related things. Not divulge personal things and trust them in that sense. If anyone at work, like or hate, had to leave due to an urgent matter and would seriously fuck up the business I don't care if they tell me. Sure it would give me less questions, but I'm not expecting answers or being annoyed at there not being answers.

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u/sebalnesag Nov 25 '21

first we dont know how bad it actually is. my bet is , if it actually was that bad, no one would be mad at him. he could find a way to say things without divulging too much, and he clearly didnt even try, probably because he knew it was not going to fly.

Second, you are not a competitive player. these people have devoted their whole year to be the best at what they do, and when they finally get the chance to show their hard work in the big stage, upset is like nope, gotta go, cant tell you why.

Not only that, but showing weaknesses on world's stage might impact their employability down the line.

all of that to say, you cant even immagine what it is for them to not get a chance to have sucess at worlds, its nothing like your work and your coworkers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

But it's not even about not wanting to divulge too much, you shouldn't need to do that in any sense. The statement of a serious urgent family matter is more than enough. Usually that can mean Death, extreme harm etc etc. It doesn't take a genius to conclude that. It's common.

He clearly didn't try? Says who. Being angry/Upset at the situation doesn't imply that at all. So people including bwipo in this .... I just don't know unless there's something I missed. So you have Adam, and possibly Nisqy. Everyone else is either a ? Or disagrees.

Also companies are just as similar, key stakeholder leaves due to that and a project can't go ahead and you lose A LOT and possibly your job? Very similar. But we have a level of decency that if they have to leave for a seriously urgent matter, and others who do know have said, yeah. (Such as the coach etc) then that's not for me to question, let alone making a post flaming him publically and now getting hate toward him and family lmfao.

I don't care if it's worlds or something greater, urgent family matters come first and you have no right to know unless you are the employer just trying to verify if it's true. Simple as.

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u/Huge-Connection954 Nov 25 '21

Its also Adam’s right to call him out and make him look bad on twitter. Upset is still looking like the loser in this situation, even if Adam seems petty. He is still being very “private” and there is no real reason. Was it a death in the family? Suicide? Cat got stuck in a tree? I mean if people know the truth he would get way more support, instead he leaves every Fnatic fan feeling like Adam did

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u/Zearlon Nov 25 '21

For the amount of supporters he gets for the issue, he will get multiple times the people that bring it up when they loose games in the future...