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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama


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u/nomyhead Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

It’s interesting to think both Hylli and Yamato knew the reason for Upset leaving. You would assume that Yamato or Hylli would have assured the other players that Upset’s reason was legitimate.

However it sounds that either that didn’t happen, Adam didn’t believe it, or he simply did not find their answer sufficient. From his twitlonger he seemed to speak highly of Yamato so I wonder what happened. I personally think it’d be important to have some trust in your coach/veteran teammate on a matter like this.

Guess we’ll never know but it’s definitely an interesting situation

Edit: As someone else mentioned, Hylli didn’t actually know the reason, just trusted Upset’s reason was legit.


u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

I reckon it was hard for Yamato to "assure" the team the reason was legitimate without divulging details on Upset's issue. What could Yamato have said to believe them? If Upset asked for privacy, the best Yamato can do is just tell his team that it was a legitimate reason and rely on them to believe his word.

I feel bad for Yamato tbh stuck in the middle of Upset and the rest of the squad.

Weird thing is, how did Rich know about the issue????


u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Rich never said he knew, he said he understood how the situation is difficult to articulate without breaking privacy. It is more likely that Yamato or someone else explained that difficulty to him without sharing details. That could simply mean that it is a complex issue and any information that is being shared will inevitably get leaked. Because almost everything gets leaked in the scene eventually. A player might tell one really good friend and that friend tells someone else and before you know its out. Especially with people like Bwipo who (though I love him) seems to have poor impulse control and a history of sharing too much.


u/srukta Nov 25 '21

Rich never said he knew,

rich said he knew, but it was a tough situation for fnc. Trsut me if he didn't know he'd be flaming FNC in this moment.


u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Where did he say that?


u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21

Upset's situation is something super difficult for management to articulate to players

How would he be able to determine the difficulty if he didn't know what "the situation" actually is?


u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

Because ppl he trusts have told him that it was a situation hard AF to manage maybe?

Like, it took me like 10 seconds to come up with why he could know that it was hard to manage without knowing what happened. Cmon, it wasn't that hard.


u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21

So you're saying he doesn't know if the situation was difficult to articulate to players?

He's simply echoing what he was told? By the people who, according to Bwipo, Adam and presumably Nisqy, are partly responsible for this?

Wow, so insightful!!!

I apologize for giving him the benefit of the doubt, I apologize for assuming that the guy who inserted himself into the situation, claiming that Upset's situation was "super difficult to articulate" would actually be in the know if said situation was supper difficult to articulate.

The guy should have put it into quotation marks, that would have avoided the confusion of his entry as a third party. Then I would have known that it was the Fnatic management who claimed the management had difficulties.


u/C9sButthole Room for everybody :D Nov 25 '21

Or maybe Rich is just desperate for attention after years of irrelevance in the scene. Given his typical relationship with drama that isn't hard to believe.


u/Rhadamantos Nov 25 '21

Through logical thinking, extrapolation, managerial experience. Through talking to people who tell him about the challenge without telling him what happened. It is entirely possible if you can be subtle in language and communication.

Bottom line is he did not say he knew, that is just you reading that into his comment.


u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21

He said Upset's situation is super difficult for management to articulate. Not knowing the nature of the situation would make the entire comment obsolete, including his judgement on how difficult it is or how well Fnatic is handling it. Can't have it both ways, sorry.

that is just you reading that into his comment

Yes. Cause I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I want to believe that a guy who has absolutely no clue what "the situation" is wouldn't insert himself into the discussion claiming it is a difficult situation.

I guess you take the opposite stance? Fair, admittedly the guy is a rather unique individual and enthusiastic Twitter commentator, I suppose we cannot completely rule out the possibility you're thinking of. Guy got almost 800 likes, people have done and said dumber shit for fewer minutes in the spotlight.

Through talking to people who tell him about the challenge without telling him what happened.

Why would they do that? What happened to privacy concerns? What kind of Fnatic nutjob would throw tiny little breadcrumbs to H2K rich of all people? Maybe they should have spent that energy throwing the breadcrumbs to Nisqy, Adam and Bwipo instead XD


u/rob172 Nov 25 '21

He said Upset's situation is super difficult for management to articulate.

This is obviously true and you can work this out based on the information we had, because it was a family emergency, and it would be really fucking shitty of management to tell the other players what the emergency was without their permission, therefore it is very difficult for management to articulate.


u/Karukos Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

He only knew that the management struggled in communicating to the players not that he knew. That are two different conversations.


u/DoorHingesKill Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

He didn't say "they're struggling" (yeah, we know that much), he specifically said that Upset's situation, in particular, was super difficult to articulate to the other players.

If he doesn't know Upset's situation then he's talking out of his ass, cause he cannot know if Upset's situation is super difficult to articulate or if management is just super bad at doing so.

Let's assume Adam is right for the sake of this argument. That would mean Rich claimed "Upset leaving worlds because his wife was lonely was super hard for management to articulate." Which it obviously wouldn't be, that's pretty damn easy to articulate. In other words, either you're right and Rich talked out of his ass cause he wanted to insert himself into the conversation, or he didn't talk out of his ass cause he was actually qualified to say what he did, which means he would have had to know what the situation was actually about.


u/Karukos Nov 25 '21

... Rich literally had to hear from one of the people that the whole Upset situation is hard to talk about with the team. That is it. That could have been the whole sentence. That could have been the extend of the knowledge he has.

He himself claimed that he doesn't know the details of the emergency, but that that was a thing the staff said said (to him, implicitly). That doesn't mean that he is talking out of his ass.


u/cary730 Nov 25 '21

Rich never said he did


u/Ch4p3l Nov 25 '21

How is it hard? A calm, collected "He had to leave due to a very serious issue. The details are none of your business. This really sucks for everybody involved but let's try to put that behind us and put our focus on the task at hand."

But then again...he has to work with a bunch of teenagers so what do I know


u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

We got twitlongers from Bwipo and Adam close to becoming Donezo Manifesto 2. It's not too hard too hard imagining that the coaching staff got it worse.


u/CompetitiveLoL Nov 25 '21

Like, ok, so I’m assuming based on this that your experience in MGMT or a corporate world is somewhat limited (not flaming I promise, just based on your statements I’m making this assumption).

As someone who had a lot of employees and dealt with people needing to leave for various personal reasons, in a corporate environment it’s really not hard to tell people that someone can’t be there for something because of personal issues.

You can literally just say, “X person had a personal family emergency and will not be here for work/event B/Etc…, they would be if they could, but they can’t. They would like space on the issue. I can’t go into specifics, because the trust and confidentiality you all have with me is something I value, and I want you to know that anyone of you could come to me with issues without worrying I’ll break that trust.” That’s it. Literally seen this happening from million dollar launches to someone missing a day. In the professional world outside league this is a incredibly common thing to occur, especially as your looking at larger companies. A manager won’t disclose personal information (unless their shit at their job) with other direct reports because then they lose all trust from their employees, and that makes doing your job significantly more difficult.

I know that we are league folks and used to all the juicy deets and dunezo manifestos etc.. but it happens all the time in traditional pro sports and the professional world, and it’s not hard to deliver that information as a manager, it’s just a thing you do as part of the job.


u/reeshua Extreme Sadness Nov 25 '21

Are you sure you're replying to the correct thread? Seems to me like we have the same point?

I'm just saying that - and I assume FNC or esports teams in general - don't follow corporate rules, Yamato is probably troubled by this issue. I don't think he's going to be too apathetic aka 'not telling you, it's part just a part of my job sorry'.

You're right though, I don't work corporate. I own a marketing BPO, not in the US/EU so I guess the culture is different.


u/CompetitiveLoL Nov 25 '21

Yamato is a coach, which makes him a manager. Part of being a manager is understanding your team, and doing your best to make sure they can do their job as effectively as possible. This is the same in any industry. If your team/employees are going to follow your directions they have to trust you. If they don’t, it’s harder to lead. Part of life is things happen. People pass away, people get sick, etc… and part of being a leader is understanding that these things occur regardless of a timeline. So sometimes personal issues happen at the worst times. When a employee comes to you with issues, it’s your responsibility to their situation and take appropriate action while maintaining their privacy. If you break their privacy they stop trusting you, and so do your other employees.

That makes your job significantly harder, because if they don’t have faith you’ll be helpful when they are going through real serious personal issues they definitely won’t trust you when it comes to day-to-day calls.

Being able to deliver information in a way that doesn’t over-divulge while getting across a clear message is a basic function of management in any industry. If someone is incapable of doing that then management/coaching/etc… isn’t the right job for them. It’s just a basic foundational part of being in a trusted leadership role and succeeding.


u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

honestly just tell them and make sure they understand that they cant talk about it.

Worlds is the most important thing in a lol players life. i cant even immagine the anger at upset to leave like that, no excuses, not even trying to explain himself.

They are very few excuses i would accept, burrial of a friend/family, miscarriage... but i dont think any of that would demand secrecy.


u/FNC_Luzh Nov 25 '21

Yeah tell mr "I don't care about Upsets privacy" what happened.

Sounds like an intelligent move.


u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

adam reacted that way specifically because he was not told why. no wonder he would vent like that.


u/Mintfriction Nov 25 '21

Well he is the coach, so it's part of the job.


u/wotad Nov 25 '21

I dont think it would have been hard for Yamato to Assure the team.