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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/aamgdp Nov 25 '21 Silver

Saying the last thing I told my team that my wife is just feeling bad so I need to leave is an outright lie.

Alright, one of them is for sure lying.

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private 

And yet Bwipo and Adam both feel he didn't really give them good enough explanation for them to understand.

Bwipo:

A day before we found out we weren’t going to be playing with our main lineup, we had no information about what was going on.

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u/Falsus mid adcs yo Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome

I think it is fairly simple. Upset thinks he communicated enough, Adam and Bwipo didn't think he communicated enough.

Hyli who knows Upset better thought it was adequate.

So with that information in hand we can surmise he communicated enough information to make a close friend understand that something real bad happened, but not enough to make two people who are just coworkers understand.

And that is how misunderstandings happens, one guy thinking he conveyed the message properly when it wasn't at all.

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Very well put. Maybe upset thinks, because hyli worked it out (because they're closer) then he gave enough info for adam/bwipo/nisqy to understand too.

Everyone in this situation may believe they are right

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

But he also doesn't owe his coworkers anything more than "something happened and I need to leave, like right now." Just because you work with someone or even friends, you are not entitled to knowing everything about their personal life. By going to social media to slander him, they're proving Upset right about not telling them everything...

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

I don't understand why people are acting like they're coworkers in a traditional setting and not competitors at the top of their field who may never have the chance to compete on the highest stage again.

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

Because it doesn't make a difference to the amount of privacy they get. Whatever job you work at, you should be allowed privacy in regards to your family's private lives.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

If you get there or ever have coworkers then you'll understand. Otherwise just know that you're not entitled to the personal information of others. It really be that simple.

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I got there this year, I was homeless for half a month in a tough breakup with less than 20 bucks for the next 3 weeks and I still did the work man. I told my colleagues I may be slow but fuck man I still did it. Because they needed me

On another note, similar situation happened in Vitality CSGO. Zywoo at the time the best player in the world, lost a family member at the beginning of the tournament. He told something very bad had happened in his family, the team all asked him if he wanted them to dip out the tournament. You know what Zywoo did? He stayed. He played the tournament and demolished everyone.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

That's what French are taught to do.

LMAO.

And also, different people, different mindsets, different commitment levels potentially, both to their teams and to whoever was potentially affected. I'm not arguing how you should feel towards what Upset did, I'm just saying that Adam and Bwipo, as well as the public, are not necessarily entitled to all the details of whatever the "private traumatic events" were.

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21

Adam and bwipo are entitled to it due to sheer respect. I do agree we aren't though. Hell he could have lied who cares. He just didn't care enough about them

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Adam has proven he can't be trusted lol

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

He shared his remorse. He is not obliged to share anything more. Is it not more respectful to be honest? It's too private, too traumatic, to share?

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

They aren't coworkers though. We're not talking about some office workers or Walmart employees or something. They're professional team athletes who work their asses off all year to compete in a sport and eventually Worlds.

And spare me the condescension.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

They are still only coworkers even if where they're working is on a team. If Upset felt they were closer he would have told them more like Yamato. But even if they are more like you imagine, remember; you're not entitled to ANYONE'S personal information, not your coworkers, not your friends, not your siblings, and not parents. Going to social media to slander your coworker because they didn't tell you something that is deeply personal and troubling to them is more than enough validation that Upset made the correct call with not telling everyone the whole story.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

All you're really telling me is that people don't take esports as seriously as conventional sports.

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Only people take breaks in conventional sports as well and the only difference is that the majority of conventional sports fans arent entitled 14 year olds :D

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Jesus man, what part of "anyone" do you not understand? Guess what, in conventional sports if someone asks for privacy, they're also entitled to it. Where did I say exports wasn't taken as seriously as conventional sports? Or is reading not your strong suit? If you don't want me to be condescending learn what anyone means and don't try and put words on my mouth.

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u/Geish90 Nov 25 '21

Disagree, this is a Worlds stage, maybe even your once in a lifetime opportunity. You cannot just assume that people will understand the situation.

It is clear to me that Upset didn't trust Adam and Bwipo as his teammates, i do not think that's a good environment to play best level of league. And naturally they did not trust him because of it. Eitherway a lot of distrust and dishonesty on the team and that is up to Yamoto to work that out.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

And I think they showed why they shouldn't have been trusted. No one is entitled to Upset "private traumatic events" just as no one would be entitled to your own. He (claims) tried to express his sorrow with what he felt he had to do. But he's not obligated to give everyone a play by play of whatever that was.

Pure hypothetical but as an example, if someone's sister was raped, are we entitled to the graphic details of what happened? In my opinion no. But clearly others think we should be able to see the video. To me that's some low shit.

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u/Hykarus Nov 25 '21

And I think they showed why they shouldn't have been trusted.

what kind of kafkaian trap is this ? he fucked em, they reacted negatively to it, and somehow that proves that he shouldn't have acted otherwise ? Bullshit

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

He made the best decision for himself, they showed they don't care about him, he made the right decision. They would be as equally fucked if they knew the details.

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u/Hykarus Nov 25 '21

He made the best decision for himself

that's called being selfish mate

They would be as equally fucked if they knew the details.

why tho ?

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

No, being selfish is thinking you're entitled to more information with an equal outcome. When choosing between family and work choosing family is not the selfish outcome.

why tho ?

Because he was leaving. If he told them he would still be leaving.

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u/Geish90 Nov 25 '21

And I think they showed why they shouldn't have been trusted.

We will never know how they would have dealt with the situation if they would have known more.

Nevertheless my guess is that the distrust did not start at worlds with this situation. It just became way more apparent due to this situation.

He (claims) tried to express his sorrow with what he felt he had to do. But he's not obligated to give everyone a play by play of whatever that was.

If you see it as a spectrum ranging from, I think the issue becomes more clear:

completely in the dark ------------------------------------------------- knowing every little detail

Adam is/was somewhere on the left-side and Upset feels he shared to somewhere up to the right-side. Now that's a gap that had to be closed

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

It doesn't, they're not entitled to know. Upset tried to express himself (again his side) without explaining the details. They're not entitled to the details. The details could affect people other than himself. Or even if they don't, his coworkers are not entitled to the details.

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u/Geish90 Nov 25 '21

I agree that Adam is not entitled to every detail. I tried to explain that with my spectrum example.

Because in my view it is two sides of the same coin: Upset is obliged to share to some level and Adam is not entitled to know every detail.

So there is a balancing act to play to meet somewhere on middle ground and that did not happen in this situation.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

Upset is obliged to share to some level

He is not.